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  • čas přidán 25. 04. 2022
  • Welcome to another Closer Look. This time we'll be getting a review of "Father Figures," an episode within the Proud Family: Louder and Prouder.This episode doesn't only have gay representation, but it actually talks about issues that revolves around it. An episode that truly brings the talking points about homosexuality to the table, but how well did this episode discuss on the issues at play?
    All opinions are my own and should not affect your own about the topic being discussed.
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Komentáře • 460

  • @cursed-cat9126
    @cursed-cat9126 Před rokem +2392

    I love the way oscar is portrayed, he likes so many men I know (especially my father) this feels so genuine to how I see him act

    • @JasonBladeReviews
      @JasonBladeReviews  Před rokem +330

      Yeah it's a common problem that the black community has. A lot of older heads does not have a good grasp of homosexuality, so it's definitely an espect that needs to be discussed. Oscar was the perfect person to fit that role.

    • @Hamantha
      @Hamantha Před rokem +75

      It’s honestly kind of nice to see a well known character represent the side that needs to learn that, and not just create a one and trash them after use

    • @Neku628
      @Neku628 Před rokem +15

      Why did this episode give Felix a pass? I mean, we find out that he's homophobic from LaCienega mentioning it but then we found out that Felix is okay with Barry because he's gay. As if, bisexual and pansexual men don't exist and that he probably needs an episode to work out why he is jealous of Barry to Sunset.

    • @JasonBladeReviews
      @JasonBladeReviews  Před rokem +22

      @@Neku628 It's because he isn't the main focus and Sunset would've probably set him straight. (Not to mention the relief to know that Barry is gay so he didn't have to worry about shenanigans between Barry and his wife)

    • @Neku628
      @Neku628 Před rokem +6

      @@JasonBladeReviews It just be nice to see some Boulevardez family focused episode, especially regarding Sunset and Felix. I mean, we did see some hints of it like Sunset forcing Felix to put Papi into an old folks home because he flooded the house and gave Felix an ultanium.
      Also, I saw a clip about how Sunset used her position and privilege of being a cop into getting Felix to marry her.
      I do like that Felix is willing to stand up to Sunset when it came to her trying to outspin her sister and how she shouldn't compete with her sis.

  • @magicgirl8705
    @magicgirl8705 Před rokem +3163

    As a closeted bisexual Muslim girl, I can truly understand the weight of this episode. LGBT is not something you can control, nor can you expect it. Homosexuality is haram in the Quran, and in my case, hated. And what hurts more is that many other people have it worse. In places like Saudi Arabia, homosexual people are executed for being found out. It's nice to see some representation and diversity in modern places such as Netflix and fictional novels, especially since I'm Canadian. But simple representation like seeing same-sex couples such as Catradora or Lumity will not be enough to change haters, nor does it touches on the hostility and discrimination people face. You did a great job establishing that.

    • @aziza4170
      @aziza4170 Před rokem +14

      Ahh hell nahh man look at my ummah dawg it’s over man

    • @magicgirl8705
      @magicgirl8705 Před rokem +281

      @@aziza4170 What are you trying to say?

    • @j.jnerdamy320
      @j.jnerdamy320 Před rokem +225

      Don't listen to Aziz, thank you for sharing.

    • @gimmekromer1151
      @gimmekromer1151 Před rokem +2

      Well the world is starting to change,people arent tolerating the violent bigoted bs that some religions are doing, soon either they change or die out with time.

    • @karenwantsmanager
      @karenwantsmanager Před rokem +193

      ​@@aziza4170 bro what? What message are you trying to get across?

  • @Rob.77
    @Rob.77 Před rokem +851

    My dad is just like Oscar, he told me I should treat others how I wanna be treated, also saying “just bc ppl are different doesn’t give you the right to disrespect them.” And literally when I wore rainbow one time my dad argued with my mom bc he thought I supported the lgbt, and after hearing their argument it just became rlly uncomfortable to even be around him knowing how much of a hypocrite he is, none of my siblings even wanna be like him, I didn’t even wanna be like my dad *anymore*

    • @helenahansen-jo7ul
      @helenahansen-jo7ul Před rokem +84

      That sounds so hypocritical it’s crazy 😭

    • @AnEldritchBeing
      @AnEldritchBeing Před rokem +98

      "Just because people are different doesn't give you the right to disrespect them"
      **sees something that could possibly imply someone's different than him**
      *_*I M M E D I A T E L Y d i s r e s p e c t s t h e m*_*
      ...yeah no I don't see how that's hypocritical in the slightest-

    • @TheNinjapancake14
      @TheNinjapancake14 Před rokem +23

      I can understand this feeling. I’ve only recently realized that my dad, without getting into detail, is a flawed human. I still have respect for him, and obviously if you live in your parent’s house you gotta follow their rules, but I do not condone some things he does or says. No one is perfect, and disappointing, but also an opportunity to have difficult conversations.

    • @dizzyclown7131
      @dizzyclown7131 Před 11 měsíci +2

      This hit too close to home a wee bit

    • @asi9ghost
      @asi9ghost Před 11 měsíci +3

      Always had a hard time describing this- but its literally disappointment when realizing you were being raised by someone who may not of been a great person this whole time

  • @craigharvey-gurr337
    @craigharvey-gurr337 Před rokem +1139

    Oscar’s homophobia reminded me of My dad being homophobic and my mom is just as bad as he is. And my sister wasn’t even around to have my back. They’re why I’m afraid of coming out.

    • @blueorchid14
      @blueorchid14 Před rokem +61

      I'm really sorry that you're having to go through this. I understand how hard it is to not know who you can trust to love every part of you. I hope things get better, if you ever need someone to talk to, don't be afraid to reach out!

    • @phyzarel1845
      @phyzarel1845 Před rokem +41

      Hands down you’re so strong for having to deal with that, I know the social and familial pressure of coming out. I didn’t really come out until I was 18-19 and even then my mom was pressuring me when I was a CHILD to say if I’m gay, bisexual, straight or whatever which only pushed me further away and scared me into not diving into that part of myself until my middle/highschool years. Stay strong buddy and come out when you feel its the time and you’re in a safe place!❤

    • @Shtickyaight
      @Shtickyaight Před 11 měsíci +4

      Don't come out until you have your own place

    • @MayoMayhem4eva
      @MayoMayhem4eva Před 11 měsíci +1

      Well as long as ur friends support you, you always have a place to go!

  • @fablethewolf825
    @fablethewolf825 Před rokem +1867

    I think Oscar's homophobia also goes further in humanizing black people, by showing them as people with realistic flaws. Not necessarily the big angry black man that was peddled back in the fifties, nor the wise, morally perfect saint who's pure greatness reeks of overcompensation. People have flaws and say and do stupid things, and for better or worse, more people need to see that.

    • @danacornish8598
      @danacornish8598 Před rokem +31

      ​@@tomkatt8274 Lol just say you're white and move on

    • @kyuwii5461
      @kyuwii5461 Před rokem +39

      @@danacornish8598 what 💀

    • @EnbyTrash__
      @EnbyTrash__ Před rokem +1

      Lol this reply section is a mess. Anyways I also agree with you, best way to represent minorities is to make them human beings with human flaws because that’s what they are👍

    • @histranger5808
      @histranger5808 Před rokem +53

      Train wreck reply section lmao

    • @pokemata1035
      @pokemata1035 Před rokem +15

      @@danacornish8598 🤦🏾

  • @simsgirlgem
    @simsgirlgem Před rokem +654

    Anyone think Dijonnais should get a slap every time she doesn’t think about the consequences of what her actions could do?

    • @Killa.Orange
      @Killa.Orange Před rokem +53

      It is over..... ONE THOUSAND!
      Read more...

    • @BlueBlazeKing
      @BlueBlazeKing Před rokem +10

      Too be fair , it was going to come up evidently

    • @Sh1garak1s_alt
      @Sh1garak1s_alt Před rokem +5

      I hate you-
      /JOKE
      ( HEHEHE, the fake read more thingy was funny-)
      :)

    • @Neku628
      @Neku628 Před rokem

      @@Killa.Orange Not to mention, she snitches to pay off her numerous siblings' lunch room debt.

    • @SifGreyfang
      @SifGreyfang Před rokem +26

      It makes me furious that Penny never fully drops her ass. Shes one of the worst people to be called a friend

  • @Neku628
    @Neku628 Před rokem +681

    Why is Oscar homophobic? It's funny that in that episode where Penny went to live with a Muslim family, Oscar was willing to say that she didn't have to go. We get a bit of a backstory to Oscar's childhood and that Suga Mama never let him hang out with anyone but then just dismisses herself from any accountability of why Oscar didn't have no friends by blaming him. Suga Mama just seemed like she was gaslighting Oscar. It really sucks that this show lets her get away with a lot of the abuse she gives Oscar.

    • @notmyhairyarmpits
      @notmyhairyarmpits Před rokem +125

      There have been scenes that hint at Suga Mama being negligent or abusive towards Oscar and treating his brother as the golden child.

    • @taynakonate3997
      @taynakonate3997 Před rokem +82

      I think the show let's her get away because that is how most abusers are handled as, not important.

    • @spacebam1921
      @spacebam1921 Před rokem +64

      @@taynakonate3997 i wish the show kinda brings this into light 😔

    • @nmoney6655
      @nmoney6655 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ⁠@@notmyhairyarmpits yes because Suga Mama herself was abused as a kid typically if you grow up in a abusive household you will see that as normal and then when you have kids of your own you will (naturally) see that as the way you are supposed to treat your kids so you do it my dad whipped our asses as kids and I internalized it as normal so when I got around normal kids and their parents and I didn’t see the parents give them a ass whipping then their was that one instance where a girl I knew Mom came to the school and beat her in front of the class

  • @angelofnerdz
    @angelofnerdz Před rokem +439

    I’m black and I know a lot of black men who is like Oscar. As a lesbian with a dad that doesn’t agree with homosexuality or knows that I am gay, I can relate to this.

    • @glasscardproductions4736
      @glasscardproductions4736 Před rokem +12

      I feel like that's kind of a hot-button issue with POC.
      We have a solid majority (globally speaking) who don't want us to be associated with the queer community, despite the many POC who are part of said community - myself included.

    • @livvyyyyyyyyyyy
      @livvyyyyyyyyyyy Před 11 měsíci +9

      I’m not a POC, I’m just an autistic lesbian, but it still makes me sad to see minorities go against other minorities. I understand everyone has there bias and ignorance, it just sucks. I wish things weren’t so complicated.

    • @lunarcat3283
      @lunarcat3283 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@CloudISemo Not POC but disabled, huh interesting my cousin's reaction was the opposite. Basically he's chill with me but not anyone else, I'm an exception cause I'm family.
      Dunno if its a lie or not tho *shrug*

    • @lunarcat3283
      @lunarcat3283 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@livvyyyyyyyyyyy Yeah, it fucking sucks especially when you're a minority of a minority. Such as the LGBT community but they don't like bi folks, trans folks or ace/aro folks. I got autism too and yeesh the amount of shit I get from some folks in the community.

    • @livvyyyyyyyyyyy
      @livvyyyyyyyyyyy Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@lunarcat3283 yes exactly, it can be really hard sometimes. It’s especially crazy to me when there’s homophobia in POC spaces and racism in queer spaces. It’s ridiculous

  • @crisptomato9495
    @crisptomato9495 Před rokem +3517

    Say what you want about furries, but you have to admit they make some good video essays.

    • @kinyacat5919
      @kinyacat5919 Před rokem +113

      F-f-f-furries???!!!

    • @BrainsofaWeirdArtist
      @BrainsofaWeirdArtist Před rokem +51

      Yep

    • @bruh-js7tz
      @bruh-js7tz Před rokem +1

      The furries are going to take over the world. No matter how long it takes, they’ll end up successful if we do not do something. We need to get rid of them, we need to dissect them like little frogs and study their powers. We need to stop them, lock them up, and make sure they don’t continue with their evil plans. WE NEED TO STOP THE FURRIES.

    • @kinyacat5919
      @kinyacat5919 Před rokem

      @@bruh-js7tz Nothing can stop us, our plans of taking over the world is unstoppable 😈

    • @bruh-js7tz
      @bruh-js7tz Před rokem +65

      @@kinyacat5919 n-no… NOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @bearberserker
    @bearberserker Před 2 lety +616

    I do like the argument of how media should try to show how marginalized minorities can be affected by discrimination and make it flow well with the plot. Also, does anyone like Dijonay before Louder and Prouder?

    • @JasonBladeReviews
      @JasonBladeReviews  Před 2 lety +122

      I definitely did not like Dijonay. Even now >.>

    • @kinyacat5919
      @kinyacat5919 Před rokem +53

      Nope, Dijonay still sucks

    • @Dreahuggsalot
      @Dreahuggsalot Před rokem +15

      Nope not really

    • @Hamantha
      @Hamantha Před rokem +34

      Does anyone like Dijoney period? She has her good moments but still

    • @kinyacat5919
      @kinyacat5919 Před rokem +43

      @@Hamantha I'd like her if she wasn't so toxic. Her personality is okay, funny and sassy. But the way they wrote her when it involves friendship makes my blood boil

  • @skylarsolar893
    @skylarsolar893 Před rokem +158

    Bro my dad is very much homophobic, he's very manly and tough. He is sweet but unfortnately when I had came out- he laughed at me said I was corrupted by TV (Brothers too) and what made me mad is after I learned more about LGBTQIA+. I felt very hurt, since he had old me to be accepting of others and I was- broken after..
    So OScar being homophobic hurt a lot.

  • @PrincessKLS
    @PrincessKLS Před rokem +149

    I saw this episode and I found it weird that Penny’s friends were having issues accepting the gay dads but one of their close friends is gay, gender nonconformity type of dude.

  • @jeremytung1632
    @jeremytung1632 Před 2 lety +361

    Anyone else think than original series Oscar would be uncomfortable with same sex relationships but not outright homophobic?

    • @Marsh388
      @Marsh388 Před rokem +208

      I don’t know… he was outright sexist in the original. So it’s hard to say.

    • @PrincessKLS
      @PrincessKLS Před rokem +23

      But in one episode, the guy friend was dancing a boy and he didn’t seem to have an issue. The homophobia storylines don’t really make sense or go with the continuity of the other episodes,

  • @springheartedtiger
    @springheartedtiger Před rokem +197

    Randy and Barry are sweet dads

  • @nevaehhamilton3493
    @nevaehhamilton3493 Před rokem +127

    It's another one of those "Goddamnit, Dijonay!" kind of episodes. Which is almost EVERY DAMN EPISODE.

  • @Maggotseatflesh
    @Maggotseatflesh Před rokem +141

    As a non binary pan human person, this episode hits hard. I am dead named by my ‘Father’ but my mum is supportive of me, more then she is of father. This is my favourite episode!

    • @charlieandhisantics9954
      @charlieandhisantics9954 Před rokem +19

      Hi, I'm trans and can sort of relate. Just know that it does get better and there's people out there who see you for who you are.

    • @Maggotseatflesh
      @Maggotseatflesh Před rokem +5

      @@charlieandhisantics9954 thanks :)

    • @Just_niaxx
      @Just_niaxx Před 5 měsíci +1

      So glad you’re accepted in your family well by your mom at least. I’m a non binary person who’s bisexual, my parents or sister don’t accept me but o have friends who support me

    • @Maggotseatflesh
      @Maggotseatflesh Před 5 měsíci

      @@Just_niaxx it’ll get better don’t worry, good you have found a safe space with your friends

  • @katsukieditz
    @katsukieditz Před rokem +71

    something i've realized with seeing clips of Micheal from this show on youtube is that people are like "WAIT HE'S A GUY?" or "IM SO DISAPPOINTED IN THIS GENERATION." And it's like dude its not that big of a deal its 2023 get over it. Also I got sent a short of Micheal doing the "what are those?" meme from vine and read the comments and its mainly the older generation saying homophobic stuff and went off on a random dude who was going on and on about the LGBTQ+ community and he deleted his comment. (Also if you're going to comment homophobic stuff. *DONT DO IT ON A KIDS SHOW*)

    • @beboop4357
      @beboop4357 Před rokem +11

      I know that nobody actually thought that Michal was a cis straight boy

    • @katsukieditz
      @katsukieditz Před rokem +11

      @@beboop4357 fr it's so obvious but like it's so funny to see old people figure it out

    • @charlieandhisantics9954
      @charlieandhisantics9954 Před rokem +8

      I thought he was a girl too but seeing people get genuinely angry over it is so dumb it's funny.

    • @beboop4357
      @beboop4357 Před rokem +7

      He literally had an episode about him being called a sissy

  • @melissashilkoff
    @melissashilkoff Před rokem +57

    Honestly, ever since the Kwanzaa episode in the original series, I knew that Oscar was close minded and bigoted. So unfortunately him being homophobic REALLY doesn't surprise me.

  • @changaming1275
    @changaming1275 Před rokem +45

    I'm not fond of how it ended, how quickly oscar apologized. I highly doubt homophobes would APOLOGIZE in a day or even LESS than a day after showing homophobic traits. It would have taken much longer...it's unrealistic really. 'oh they'll INSTANTLY know they're wrong' no they won't. They're stubborn and less-likely to change their ways at ALL.

    • @Harudodo
      @Harudodo Před 9 měsíci +2

      Nah Fr they’d immediately blame “the gays” and propaganda for the loan being denied

  • @CanineWolf0597
    @CanineWolf0597 Před 2 lety +155

    12:18 - 12:22 was my favorite part of the episode they are a cute couple

  • @StefonTV1
    @StefonTV1 Před rokem +241

    To be fair, Dijonay was the gossiper in the group. There's been times it was used for good. She's just 50/50

  • @exileforever2508
    @exileforever2508 Před rokem +169

    In Dijonay defence, while what she did was terrible, the school was gonna find out about her gay parents anyway. I mean, there are school activities and parents night, most likely either both or one of them gonna show up and put two to two together that Maya has two gay dads.

    • @eonstar
      @eonstar Před rokem +4

      Or a step father

    • @avej99
      @avej99 Před rokem +102

      Regardless if it was inevitable it was literally none of her business or her place to spread info like. But then again this is dijonay and she’s just awful

    • @exileforever2508
      @exileforever2508 Před rokem +8

      @@avej99 that is true as well

    • @seaveggies
      @seaveggies Před rokem +15

      Well, yeah. It might’ve been inevitable but it still wasn’t her place to spread that around the school. And it’s kinda hard to defend her when she repeatedly does things to stir up drama or keep drama going throughout the series

    • @ggcrickle
      @ggcrickle Před 10 měsíci +1

      Not really a defense there. It still could have been a private matter. Not everyone wants their family life out in the open.

  • @mk-aka-morgan8386
    @mk-aka-morgan8386 Před rokem +23

    This episode made me realize I probably had it a lot easier since I transferred into homeschooling when I came out to my parents to keep me safe. I can’t imagine how hard it is for queer kids in school, especially now with how vitriol it’s become for them.

  • @MariAnimates
    @MariAnimates Před rokem +37

    Someone's gotta beat Dijonay's ass at this point bc this girl cannot keep getting away with this

  • @pixie-o4462
    @pixie-o4462 Před rokem +57

    I haven't watched the show, but this essay is superb. You bring out some important points

  • @felixelcat2007
    @felixelcat2007 Před rokem +21

    You can't even say "Sorry boomer" because Suga Mama actually IS a boomer and she doesn't claim that mentality. Oscar's worse.

  • @gilbertgoosey
    @gilbertgoosey Před rokem +33

    Something you can try to do to improve yourself is take everyone else’s opinions and issues into consideration by imagining yourself in their shoes. This is shown in many proud family episodes.

  • @Velossitee
    @Velossitee Před rokem +20

    I like how one of the kids stayed behind to speak their mind about what actually was goin on. If someone didn't explain, it'd be harder for people to understand and leave it alone or defend. To take an action, you must know what you're up against. That kid was very informative about their problems. Respect.

  • @gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750
    @gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 Před 11 měsíci +11

    Now, I dont want to say the others treating Oscar like that was wrong, but, shunning someone seems lile it'd only push them further into their bigotry and such.
    And how did Oscar become homophobic anyways? Im sure Suga Momma didnt raise him like that.

  • @WandererBasil
    @WandererBasil Před 11 měsíci +9

    as a closeted genderqueer cupiormantic, i definitely see my parents in Oscar’s portrayal of homophobia. it seems a lot like he just.. misunderstands, or at least that’s what i’m getting from the way he’s acting. (the hesitated, forced smile and thumbs up when the gay dads were sharing affection, not wanting his daughter to hang out with the gay couples kids.) my parents definitely aren’t homophobic, just don’t know how the community works and how we’re affected by such misunderstandings. i’m not out to my parents, but i have a few trans friends and i can def see the hesitance in my parents whenever i talk about them. there’s a difference between outright homophobia and misunderstanding that can be potentially be fixed by teaching others about the community. i might be wrong and he may just be flat out homophobic but that’s not personally what i’m seeing here. just some plain old being misinformed about things.

  • @DiabolicGoth
    @DiabolicGoth Před rokem +10

    Reminds me of super drag " I don't feel gay, I AM gay" that statement is strong

  • @ejrosenberger6735
    @ejrosenberger6735 Před rokem +16

    My God child is biracial and has two moms we expect the hate oneday she's only 2 right now but we're teaching to her be a strong young lady. (One is her bio mom)

  • @gabriellebraswell3306
    @gabriellebraswell3306 Před rokem +62

    I really like the new proud family reboot. Growing up the proud family was one of my favorite TV shows. I'm so happy for LGBTQIA+ representation I'm bi and I'm starting to experiment with she/they pronouns. I'm so subscribing 😸 .also is your fursona a bat 🦇 .that so cool I'm working on my fursona Scarlett the fox 🦊

  • @tavrosnitram1529
    @tavrosnitram1529 Před rokem +10

    oscar throwing on and taking off the tribal garb was a good (and hilarious) visual of code switching

  • @jacklynbrown1768
    @jacklynbrown1768 Před rokem +30

    You gonna do a video about Rocko's Modern Life and the reboot static cling, I feel like Joe Murray made the best LGBT representation in the show and the reboot mini movie

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 Před rokem +17

    Lore of Let's ACTUALLY talk about gay representation momentum 100

  • @RandomManIncorperated
    @RandomManIncorperated Před rokem +23

    I Misheard Pink Eye as Pink Guy
    Pink Guy? When Did Filthy Frank Get Here

  • @spacenugget1199
    @spacenugget1199 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Wow, you've touched so many topics that I wouldn't have even acknowledged. This is an amazing video essay, you explained everything perfectly. Great job!

  • @supercharger5727
    @supercharger5727 Před rokem +16

    Oscar being home phobic makes no sense because of Michael

    • @JulesLover100
      @JulesLover100 Před rokem +4

      Fr

    • @ZiggyZero_
      @ZiggyZero_ Před 5 měsíci

      People have different reactions to queer people depending on their relationships with them Michael's his daughters friend and Barry is just a new neighbor it's weird but it happens all the time with parents either being okay with strangers being gay but not family or vice versa

  • @Servantdilo
    @Servantdilo Před rokem +26

    "then there's the line that really hit" *hit*, sorry that coincidence was funny

  • @eliasbelmontez4387
    @eliasbelmontez4387 Před rokem +8

    But did anyone else notice that they made the mexicano man dig a tunnel to get out-

  • @Theverytiredgirl1
    @Theverytiredgirl1 Před rokem +16

    I cried watching this episode. It was so warm

  • @Razzberry_dollz
    @Razzberry_dollz Před rokem +21

    Oscar being homophobic was my final nail for him as a character he’s such an awful person and so is most of pennys family really

    • @SupportGamin2024
      @SupportGamin2024 Před rokem +2

      How does that make him horrible? That's honestly a stupid reason

    • @Good_luck_.
      @Good_luck_. Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@SupportGamin2024because homophobic people are inherently horrible? Also hes just not a good of a dad

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci +1

      only one whos not an awful person is Penny

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Good_luck_. Homophobic people aren't "inherently horrible" they just hold a different opinion than you, it's not that deep.

    • @guywhosjusthere2136
      @guywhosjusthere2136 Před 11 měsíci +13

      ​@@mxmivJust because an opinion is different, DOESN'T mean it is ok to think it. That's like someone saying that pedophiles just have different taste, your entire response would change, please don't ask why I'm bringing up an entirely different subject, cause your statement is universal.

  • @PeterGriffin11
    @PeterGriffin11 Před rokem +9

    I think the original Proud Family tackled serious issues well but from what I've heard and seen of the reboot so far I think it's done a pretty bad job tackling most of them. I still wanna watch the reboot myself maybe not all of it is bad but my opinion of it isn't very high.
    Good video though.

  • @kawaiigirl1482
    @kawaiigirl1482 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Yo, I’m so impressed with this. This would NEVER happen to me as a kid. All I had was that square headed kids parents from Clarence, a plot twist adventure time Bubble gum princess + Marceline, and the loud house with Clyde’s dads. They all had parents, which as a kid I just excepted, but never went into detail like THIS. ITS CRAZY GOOD

  • @oddessyKirby
    @oddessyKirby Před rokem +9

    The scene from community was a lovely representation ❤

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 Před rokem +7

    I hate Oscar but I love his character as the goofy, selfish, but loving father who gets what he deserves every time and tries ecerytime

  • @nmoney6655
    @nmoney6655 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I’m actually kind of mad because they waited a whole year to finish a 2 part episode instead of having a hour long episode

  • @coolpawz1996
    @coolpawz1996 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I knew I was bisexual when I was about the ages of 6-8 years old (this was back in the early 2000s, and I never heard of the word until middle school or high school). I didn’t fully accept it until just this year at 27 years old, because of how some of my family members are. After I came out, I finally felt so free, but at the same time, I still feel like I gotta hide my true self when I’m around some of my family members 😓. Thankfully my fiancé will back me up in case shit hits the fan lols

  • @MatsuyoRific
    @MatsuyoRific Před 9 měsíci +2

    One thing you missed about the next morning scene, is that Penny's room had a purple light coming out of it. I noticed this cause you mentioned the purple in the crowd representing the struggles we don't typically see, and I think it's meant to represent Penny's struggle as an ally. She knows homophobia is wrong, and she wants to do the right thing, but being an ally living under the same roof as a homophobe can be tough. Especially if they're someone you love and respect, like a parent.

  • @jenalillys1490
    @jenalillys1490 Před rokem +6

    Well said just well done sir👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @AmazingAutist
    @AmazingAutist Před 11 měsíci +2

    I need to give this show a watch. I liked it as a kid because I like seeing people like me, but admittedly it wasn't one of my favorites because I was more of a Dexter's Laboratory / Powerpuff Girls Kid. I've heard about the reboot and I didn't want to watch it until I could hear about it and then I forgot. But as a trans man with a dad who is like oscar but without the goofiness, I want to see it

  • @blehh_mae
    @blehh_mae Před 11 měsíci +3

    i think the best gay representation is when the character is just stated to be gay and thats literally it
    the first example that comes to my mind since i played the game recently is kim kitsuragi in disco elysium, hes canonically gay but its a oneoff line and its never important, but its still really cool

    • @OutlawKING111
      @OutlawKING111 Před 14 dny

      That’s just lazy representation though. A “blink and you miss it” type shit. It’s okay to expand on it and showcase it to normalize it for the people. I do agree modern writers really struggle in that aspect, coming off as stereotypical and at times “woke” (which there’s nothing wrong with being aware of social issues, it’s the portrayal that matters.)

  • @Otval_bashky
    @Otval_bashky Před rokem +32

    JJBA has a well written gay characters

    • @kartoha4295
      @kartoha4295 Před rokem +3

      Who?

    • @RandomManIncorperated
      @RandomManIncorperated Před rokem +2

      @@kartoha4295 JJBA=JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE

    • @kartoha4295
      @kartoha4295 Před rokem +1

      @@RandomManIncorperated who is gay in JJBA????

    • @SeinIshamiado
      @SeinIshamiado Před rokem

      @@RandomManIncorperated no

    • @ilikebread5650
      @ilikebread5650 Před rokem +6

      @@kartoha4295 canonically there is Gelato and Sorbet in part 5, Squalo and Tiziano in part 5 also, Scarlet Valentine (Funny Valentine's wife), and possibly Vanilla Ice and Pucci, also pretty sure I'm missing some but various other characters can be interpreted as part of the LGBT community (like abbacchio or even DIO)

  • @queer_basilisk
    @queer_basilisk Před 11 měsíci +2

    This is amazing. Absolutely amazing.

  • @jojofanatico6928
    @jojofanatico6928 Před 11 měsíci +2

    reading the coments, a lot of lgbt peopke has problems with their dads. same here, im a trans guy and im also pansexual, my mom knows it and support me, but im too scared to tell my dad because i dont know if he would understand me.

  • @quinn3071
    @quinn3071 Před rokem +6

    Coming from a gay. It's all too forced. I think there is more important stuff to worry about tha some silly representation to stroke your feelings for a while

    • @jakeystarsuper
      @jakeystarsuper Před rokem +15

      Bro stop trying to be an outcast there’s nothing wrong with an lgbt episode

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@jakeystarsuper tbh theyre not tryna be an outcast- people can have opinions. so sorry that you forgot what an opinion is

    • @valtaep1ece796
      @valtaep1ece796 Před 10 měsíci

      @@jakeystarsuperthey just have a different opinion lmao 💀

  • @zippiepie
    @zippiepie Před rokem +9

    I dont realy agree with the lgbtq comunity but that doesnt mean that I would harm them. I think we should all be able to have are opinion and talk about it calmly

    • @Good_luck_.
      @Good_luck_. Před 11 měsíci +12

      How can you not agree? Being queer isn’t an opinion

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Good_luck_. HELP- YOU"RE SO DUMB SHE MEANS WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPINION *ABOUT* THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY- BEING QUEER MAY NOT BE AN OPINION, BUT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT/AGREE WITH IT IS !!

    • @valtaep1ece796
      @valtaep1ece796 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Good_luck_.no sweetie lmao she said she doesn’t agree with lgbt but everyone should be able to have their opinions on it.

  • @Cellus5000
    @Cellus5000 Před rokem +6

    While I think your analysis is apt and in depth, I disagree with your praise of the show. I think that this structure falls flat in multiple ways, but the biggest way is that the payoff of the show, the entire reason this episode exists, is to fulfil revenge fantasies for homophobic people. I write it this way specifically because this episode is NOT about the interactions of gay men, black men or families with nonstandard arrangements. To accomplish this goal it has to use its characters as props rather than people who exist in their own world. Depending on what you think the focus is, all characters were used through their identities exclusively, rather than their thought, actions or growth. Here's what I mean:
    IF you believe Oscar's arc to be the main focus of the episode, and the whole setup is designed to give you a 'haha what an idiot man' ending, then the entire cast of the two fathers and family do not add anything to this arc besides making the audience think that he "deserves" to be denied, because he's homophobic. This wouldn't be new to the characters, as things of this nature happen to Oscar repeatedly, but then the fact that the parents were gay adn that the children are dealing with the complications of having two fathers is gratuitous and makes me wonder what that focus adds to Oscar's plot.
    IF the children's arc is the main focus, then the whole set-up and payoff of Oscar's side quest seems so disingenuous. In a vaccuum the over-exaggeration of causes and effects is pretty standard for a cartoon, but when you frame all that suffering doesn't get appropriate payoff.
    The fact that the new kids have two dads feels so superfluous because it is treated as if that everyone's responses would be so black and white, and those who are fully supportive get positive results and those that are fully against it get their loans denied. Its more of an assertion than it is representation. You could easily draft a plot that fits the vibe and more centrally discusses the topic, this is assuming that the writers don't want to use the fact that they have gay people in the show as a quick cash grab/woke check on their corporate checklist.
    The mother wants to host a dinner with the new family, and while interacting with them, Oscar finds out that they are gay, and immediately has no response, but when back alone at the house, he voices a concern that they should cancel the dinner. Everyone wants to know why since, everyone loves him, and Oscar struggles to find a reason. From here you can go a few different ways. You can have Oscar get challenged by one of the family members on the fact that he's uncomfortable with two gay fathers, leading to more denial, or a sudden realization that he has to go overboard to seem accepting. Or you can have him strike down hard and aggressive that he explicitly hates gay people for whatever reason. Have the dinner fail due to awkardness or passive aggression or unwanted questions or anything. You can easily spin this to make it actually funny, but then for resolution (A key step that actually grows Oscar's character from his own perspective, not from the weight of society forcinig him to change like in this garbage episode) Have oscar apologize, and then the proud family gets invited over to the new kids for a makeup dinner. Maybe Oscar shares similar food interests with the black gay father, maybe the grew up in similar areas and like the same comfort food, or maybe he shares hobbies with the white father, etc etc. This gives the feeling that their resolution is natural not a forced "gotcha" moment where the "homophobic oppressor" gets "what he deserves."

  • @crafto6881
    @crafto6881 Před 11 měsíci

    Already love you after a few seconds

  • @YourFriendlyShapeShifterFriend

    Hai
    Idk if anyone gonna see this but
    I just wanna ask if anyone know a fandom with normalized lbgtq+ pep and rare chance of homophobic pep
    The only thing i seen so far was object show,furry,and the owl house,just wanna know more

  • @epache315
    @epache315 Před rokem

    Dr.Facilier:Why Disney
    Jafar:You really Did This Disney
    Judge Frollo:You've Gone Enough Disney

  • @WarZone-cz9bm
    @WarZone-cz9bm Před rokem +36

    I think this would have been more relatable if the part of Oscar telling Penny to not hang out with the kids with two dads were cut out. I think discomfort is a much more common reaction than disapproval. While I have no major problems with this episode in particular, the thing that bugs me about louder and prouder is their shift towards “woke” ideals rather than simply teaching good morals.

    • @Zam_mations
      @Zam_mations Před rokem +2

      Nah, Especially in the black community I can tell you there are a lot of dads who are exactly like this and this is a very common scenario people actually experience. From my point of you this was a pretty realistic and genuine response for what I’ve seen
      Shifting towards woke ideas in the case of this episode can still be good and does teach morals. Woke ideas it’s just progressive ideas which are objectively good it just depends on how you communicate them. Oscar is a realistic father in a black community, I’m straight up heard these things we said before and it’s good that they were presenting this. I actually think this episode was done pretty well

  • @Kilvieo
    @Kilvieo Před 11 měsíci

    You're not you when you're hungry, gumbo satisfies.

  • @Bezaliel13
    @Bezaliel13 Před rokem +3

    I was so disappointed Mad Munchkin called the dads "ticking a checkbox" ngl.

  • @thatkiddavidpalacio
    @thatkiddavidpalacio Před rokem +1

    Animan studios has representation

  • @Persepholeigh
    @Persepholeigh Před 2 měsíci

    Blaming her age. Bro, your mum isn't having you.

  • @merrillyu-gi-ohfan01king
    @merrillyu-gi-ohfan01king Před 11 měsíci +1

    Someone is an ally of the LGBQT+ community.

  • @ManuelHernandez-rx7ncedits
    @ManuelHernandez-rx7ncedits Před 4 měsíci

    Well.disney and the proud family is going woke again. 💀😔

  • @leatherrealms5206
    @leatherrealms5206 Před 11 měsíci

    AT 13:54, THE ONE ISN'T BLUE SOUNDS LIKE RILEY FROM BOONDOCKS????!!!

  • @Alina_Schmidt
    @Alina_Schmidt Před 8 měsíci

    Granted I don‘t know the episode or series. But just the concept to focus on a straight and homophobic character who learns a lesson to support gay people, by learning to respect one gay person individually - that doesn‘t seem original to me. That idea rather seems like it has been done before a lot. (I remembered a Simpsons episode from like 2007 that did this). When that straight character is the focus, it rather implies that it a(nother) straight themed story, at least for the main plot of „he gets the loan“. Because it focuses on the straight person‘s character development while the gay characters seem moreso a plot point for his story. That narrative might be done well here (I don‘t know the episode), but it still has specific limits to what it it can tell (about gay characters) . I personally prefer when there is focus on a gay charcter‘s perspective. There are less stories like this yet (compared to many straight characters), and they can tell different stories.

  • @ronanstander3022
    @ronanstander3022 Před 11 měsíci +7

    I am homophobic to an extent (by todays standards at least, cause having different opinions makes you homophobic, but ive just embraced i at this point) and i understand some of oscars views

    • @hansolo4021
      @hansolo4021 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Incredibly relatable

    • @book_roblox
      @book_roblox Před 11 měsíci

      Please explain the line you won't cross mane

    • @valtaep1ece796
      @valtaep1ece796 Před 10 měsíci

      Relatable on so many levels 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @BasementDweller_
    @BasementDweller_ Před 11 měsíci

    A groovy episode.

  • @skrrrrr.pullup
    @skrrrrr.pullup Před 11 měsíci

    i mean D Really is a ✨️solid ✨️ letter

  • @freashswagg1
    @freashswagg1 Před rokem +2

    I didn’t care but Oscar didn’t get his

    • @freashswagg1
      @freashswagg1 Před rokem +2

      Feel content like this is people just having Nothing else to really talk about

  • @chloesantos8637
    @chloesantos8637 Před 11 měsíci +1

    As always, Dijonay is the worst lmao (I do like the episode tho)

  • @tanishamuntslag6369
    @tanishamuntslag6369 Před 8 měsíci

    Dijonnai had me so mad in this episode i wanted to smack her like omg girl keep things to yourself

  • @epache315
    @epache315 Před rokem +2

    Proud family reboot Disney ruined

  • @Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn
    @Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn Před rokem +7

    Just commenting lol

  • @valtaep1ece796
    @valtaep1ece796 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I really don’t care if someone is phobic as long as their not trying to bully or k!ll gay people etc…

  • @eromicafrancisco5477
    @eromicafrancisco5477 Před 10 měsíci

    What about Penny's friend who is gay?

  • @walkingcorpse1224
    @walkingcorpse1224 Před rokem +37

    Mmm idk just me, I wouldn't be kissing my wife in front of my patients. Nor would I appreciate somebody kissing and being cutesy with their spouse while I'm trying to get some business done. There's a time and place for that and in front of someone you're performing service for is usually not the right time. That's just not professional. As for iconic laugh idk what you're talking about, the laugh is extremely forgettable.

    • @geordie4697
      @geordie4697 Před rokem +27

      lmaooaoaoaooaoa absolutely not. a kiss is the most basic display of affection next to a hug. you don't like it because it's two men, you wouldn't care otherwise. no one would.

    • @c.lineofficial
      @c.lineofficial Před rokem +6

      Depends on the workplace and setting. But I do get where you're coming from, but I'm not a homophobe.

    • @camilorivera8514
      @camilorivera8514 Před rokem

      ​@@geordie4697 this is the stupidest comment I have ever seen

    • @walkingcorpse1224
      @walkingcorpse1224 Před rokem +3

      @@geordie4697 No. A kiss anywhere while nagotiating business is awkward even between heterosexual couples. And the thing is this was not just a peck as the couple displayed alot more affection than necessary, like I said it's just not appropriate during work. U wanna do that you excuse yourself. But I think u pretty bold to be assuming anything of me. Maybe you're too judgmental and wanna make an enemy out of anybody that has an opinion you disagree with.

    • @walkingcorpse1224
      @walkingcorpse1224 Před rokem +4

      @@c.lineofficial I'm not one either. To be clear if I'm odering something and the male employees girlfriend comes in and gives him his lunch and a peck it's whatever, I would prefer the employee finish his service and excuse himself but a peck is quick. But if the girlfriend comes in, starts talking and becomes very affectionate all while I'm just trying to get an order done then it's awkward... I'm just standing there wanting to move along. So even between a hetero couple it's weird and possibly annoying. And I think it's in any workplace where you deal with people/ strangers.

  • @Roblozsokewl
    @Roblozsokewl Před rokem +1

    I don’t like anyone in that show except the grandma

  • @devilcwesker5980
    @devilcwesker5980 Před rokem +6

    Your taking a mediocre written show, way to seriously brother.

  • @HappyGilmore_Lover
    @HappyGilmore_Lover Před rokem +3

    I love what you're putting down, but there's only one problem. Why the animal vibe?

  • @epache315
    @epache315 Před rokem +2

    I really didn't like this reboot

  • @malegender27
    @malegender27 Před rokem +1

    All I can think about is Tweek and Craig so all I can say is- uh- gay.

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci +1

      "All i CAn THiNK ABoUt Is TWeeK and CRaIg" Of course that's the ONLY thing you can think of. You're probably an 11 y/o sp fan tbh

    • @malegender27
      @malegender27 Před 11 měsíci

      @@mxmiv Woah, what was I like 5 months ago, holy- (Well, I'm 15 now. Into greek myth at the moment. I thankfully learn very quickly, so, I haven't really thought about South Park in a while-)

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci

      @@malegender27 Tbh that's impressive, I don't learn that quickly. I'm 13 turning 14 in a few months, and I wouldn't think of learning about Greek mythology. I'm really only good at one subject and I'm not the best at it. 👩‍🦯

    • @Youareaidiot
      @Youareaidiot Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@mxmivIK THIS IS RESOLVED BUT DAMN LMAO💀

    • @mxmiv
      @mxmiv Před 11 měsíci

      @@Youareaidiot 😭😭

  • @MamaRaevanon
    @MamaRaevanon Před rokem +1

    We like to reach here. Reach for the stars.

  • @Justin-pe9cl
    @Justin-pe9cl Před 5 měsíci

    Nah I’m good.

  • @shadowthecutedemon5954
    @shadowthecutedemon5954 Před rokem +1

    Are you a furry if so can u help mack my furry mask

  • @Blacknoir-j1x
    @Blacknoir-j1x Před rokem +1

    My ok if he a furry

  • @kharismaw.612
    @kharismaw.612 Před 11 měsíci +1

    aaa---a-a-a-aa-a-a-aa ff-f-f-f f furry1?!?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!
    😧😧😧
    bro shoulda told me before i clicked on the video 😫😫😫😫😫

    • @JasonBladeReviews
      @JasonBladeReviews  Před 11 měsíci +7

      Must be quivering in your boots 😵‍💫 So terrifying!

    • @book_roblox
      @book_roblox Před 11 měsíci

      Chill out dawg it's just a flying dog

  • @the1magageneral323
    @the1magageneral323 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Except this is forced with no explanation, but 'diversity' and representation. Shows that force gay characters onto its audience for an agenda or because woke Twitter says so, for not reason, but forced diversity. There are no modern shows with a gay character who is not annoying at all. Batwoman, She-Ra, She-Hulk, and more. That's why men are walking away. It seems to me that only woke women like gay men because of their feminist dogma about "toxic men" despite that real masculinity is not toxic and some women are far more toxic. Real women want confident alpha men.

  • @HushtheMag
    @HushtheMag Před 8 měsíci

    As a straight dude I'm fine with gays, Love is love and if you want to be with someone of the same sex then you do you, but I feel uncomfortable when I see men kiss. public displays of affection are cringe asf whoever does it but Seeing two dudes kiss just makes me feel uneasy.

  • @Noshadesfunky
    @Noshadesfunky Před 10 měsíci +1

    THE REPRESENTATION RUINED MULTIPLE SHOWS. THEY NEED TO LOWER IT.

  • @MarsPlata-Haggberg-ef2en
    @MarsPlata-Haggberg-ef2en Před 11 měsíci +3

    As someone with two moms I can understand how the two kids (I forgot their names 💀💀) feel. I’ve been bullied, harassed, and many other things just for having two moms. 🫶

  • @zachaldrich3278
    @zachaldrich3278 Před rokem

    Wait, this is a furry, uhh

  • @alcremiecutie334
    @alcremiecutie334 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I can't believe I'm agreeing with a furry

  • @gobies_galaxy
    @gobies_galaxy Před rokem

    Wough :0

  • @Maicaica
    @Maicaica Před 11 měsíci +2

    I mean, y'all not oppressed

    • @KermitTheGodSlayer
      @KermitTheGodSlayer Před 11 měsíci +2

      The middle east would love to agree, but, they're too busy bashing in the brain of a child who said he liked his friend Tommy

    • @magikphoenix140
      @magikphoenix140 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Except, they are

    • @Maicaica
      @Maicaica Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@magikphoenix140 hmmm, idk. You have an entire month dedicated to all of you, and somehow it becomes a privilege

    • @bleeeeeeghghgh
      @bleeeeeeghghgh Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@Maicaica “Y’all not oppressed” mf does NOT know about the multiple laws around the world that get you killed if you’re gay alongside hate crimes ‼️‼️‼️‼️ what is blud wafflin about ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

    • @Maicaica
      @Maicaica Před 10 měsíci

      @@bleeeeeeghghgh now, are you oppressed?