Kia EV9: Worst possible car of the year... | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Automotive industry awards have about the same value as primary school participation awards..
"And the award for the company who gave us the most advertising revenue goes to..."
That, at least, would be honest.
The JD Powers award for best-designed glove box in a convertible goes to…
Spot on.
Pfizerrrrrrrrr
@@eyerollthereforeiam1709😂Q
Car of the Year is a euphemism for future sh*tbox.
Pretty much. There have been a few good ones over the years, but they don't make up for the misses.
A Sh*tbox that they can’t move in the showroom…
People are wising up to the con job !!!
Yes the local wrecking yards here in the US are full of them 😅
I won't hear a bad word about the Leyland P76.
Present shitbox...when they finally arrive.
😂😂😂 'Drive' is absolutely dead to me now...again 😂
Tempted to bring them back so you can end them again?
Every time someone says that "Car Of The Year" is a prestigious award just remind them that the Holden Camira won it back in the day.
The Holden Camira was Car of the Year in 1982. Sort of paints a picture of the value of the award.
Yeah. Holden Supercar! Shitbox extraordinaire. Just like the Dunnydore. Then they gave the Deilightful Gemini a shovel front. People no longer trusted Holden. Just after the HZ (HQ) became a decent car.
Cadogan was part of the Judging Panel I think on the Wheels 82 Camira COTY. Good idea at the time, FWD and the space efficiency. Marvellous.
Being from the UK just looked up the Holden Camira and it looks to me like a redesigned Vauxhall Cavalier mk2 that was a popular car here in the UK. Also extremely rare now as they tended to rot away.
Then the magna in 1999😂
@@bentullett6068Every holden was a redesigned vauxhall!
Is that one of the cars that an owner can charge overnight by using the power from roof solar panels
Presumably while they're sitting on the roof, howling mad at the moon
Albonomics. Just need a 20,000 km long extension cord.
Yes, magical Night Solar.
If you have battery storage. That works.
@@dylanwebb9584Lolz so TWO colossal great scarce resource-gobbling power packs which you shuffle power between. Cool plan bro!
I moved to straya 15 years ago and today a friend today told me he thought I was born here. I've never been so proud to be part of such a great bunch of good cunts 😊
Cunning stunt that 😂
Go home import 😮😂
Wow.. you're on an upward trajectory... 😂
My best friend is a c@nt.
we are all bunch of blow in cunz when it comes down to it ,unless you are an original owner .
Awful car. Awful award. They don’t do their dwindling credibility much good. Thanks John for having the balls to call this BS out!
It's about a 1000kgs heavier than my shit box, 2009 twin cab V6 Holden Colorado, which costs more to register than a heavier SUV, because it's classed as a light commercial vehicle.
On the up side, my shit box only takes a minute or so to fully charge, and it's never broken down. And I'm pretty sure, no slave or child labour was involved at any stage of it's production.
The world has actually gone properly mad.
Great vid.
Stu. Melbourne
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1. Child battery mineral labor
2. Range anxiety
3. Risk of garage fires
4. Paying 20k more than a
comparable vehicle
5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration.
6. Poor resale value
7. Reduced performance in
cold, highway.
8. Higher repair costs
9. Awful charging network
experiences in the weather
without restrooms
10. Higher insurance rates
11. Replacing tires more
frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution.
12. Death by autopilot
13. $25k - $35k battery
14. Low km range per tank of energy.
15. must wait in-line 1-2 hrs
to charge.
16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging.
17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm.
18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die.
19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road)
20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid.
21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car.
In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one.
22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals.
23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries.
24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down.
25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce a ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.
26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage....
27. You can't charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out.
28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't put them out. They are only trying to prevent over things near by from catching fire.
29. Ok, there is 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear.
30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better.
31. in Dublin, huge generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff.
32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car.
33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm.
34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money.
35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery.
36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already.
37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.)
38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrape money.
39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above.
40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 kids strapped into car seats, in the back seat ,which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in.
41. There must be a reason that Boeing 747's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation.
42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere.
43. Even Mr. Bean says;
"I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped".
"When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panacea it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis."
Mr. Bean is a smart man.
44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50K new or a $20K used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 4 years, no problem.
There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago....
They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt.
Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate.
Ev's (External combustion vehicles) suck, and it's a bridge to nowhere. But they do sometimes convert themselves into "internal combustion", but sadly, they can only do that 1 time.
Spot on . My 26 year old Corolla weighs 900 kgs. I weigh 80 kgs. Won’t be selling my car any time soon.
My povo pack Hilux dual cab Tare weight is 1745 kgs. Just saying.
So the average Aussie family can afford to spend a minimum of 105K on a family car. WTF.
Plenty Land cruisers a round
And they move far and wide with limited hardships.
@@paulstefanovich5217 my son has a SAHARA, so i guess most Aussie families are quite well off.
I used to do maintenance for 2500 community housing residentials. 200 hundred bucks a week for a family. I've never seen so many new Beamers and Mercs in the same carparks.
Stu. Melbourne
69,000 USD are they kidding? That's nearly what my entire yearly Gross salary was before I retired.
My friend pointed out a fact lots forget to add up. After 3 months off work after an injury, his car has moved 0 miles, but to keep the alarm and such charged had cost him £103 just in power. As 240 miles range after a week stood still us only 172 miles a week later 😂😅 he is 100% ditching it as soon as he is able 👍
"The battery weighs six or seven hundred kilos..."
Back in the UK, in the 1970s, as a lad, I used to have a Citroen 2CV.
It (the entire car) weighed 585Kg....
Used to do 40mpg (7 litres/100km) round town and 50mpg (5.7 litres/100km) on the motorway.
Didn't have all the crap associated with modern cars: HVAC, power steering, traction control, VTEC, cylinders that shut off when the car stops, ABS, lane control etc etc. Didn't have touch screens and computerised everything - which means you have to throw it away after 20 years because no-one makes the parts any more and you can't fabricate them with a lathe.
Didn't go too fast, but did have a sun-roof, and was enjoyable to drive.
If Citroen re-released it; even though the NCAP nannies would give it zero stars in their crash tests; I think there would be a universal roar of approval from the public, and a genuine "people's COTY"
Not only "vintage" car related, that obscene power pack weight. Our 2023 Suzuki Swift (hybrid) weighs 975kg.................. and thats with its battery pack and a full tank of fuel for its extremely efficient petrol engine, and its range, to use a technical term, is massive!
Rather have that than an Aptera! 3 wheel monstrosity.
@@robertkubrick3738 Which is a bit like trying to decide which death is best, knifed or bitten
Also from the 70's, Golf mk1 790 (base) to 970 kg (convertible) and I guess rival family cars were similar weights.
Yes, but then a Citroen 2Cv hardly qualifies as being a car.
Now i know what happened to my old Westinghouse fridge. It was flipped on its back, and 4 wheels put on it. Recycling rules!😅
The perfect soft on the environment family car. We all need a 3 tonne 500hp car to run to the shops in. A Yaris is so hard on the environment 😂
"Family friendly..."
When you hear this you can sure that the writer is spouting bovine fertiliser.
Yup..Male Cows droppings 😂
Certainly not family friendly when the tyres 285/45/vr/21 113 load are around $800 each.
@@markcleary3337..mostly taxes including "climate " taxes
I've always looked on Drive as an infomercial rather than a critical scribe. Agree that the EV9 will never save us from climate change. I wonder how many of these things an electrical substation could support on charge if every house in the street had one? From memory I think each phase runs around 800amps times 3 phases at 240v ea.
You are limited at home. It wouldn't be able to overload it in that way.
I doubt if everyone would be charging on the same night from flat.
holly crap that battery pack is 600kg? My cars total curb weight is 1,704 kg that's effing obscene !
The use of zero emissions by BMW and Mazda here in the UK has just woken up the Advertising Standards goons. They have ruled that the use of the term is snake oil and they have been ordered to state the CO2 produced in the production of their electric vehicles.
They should be forced to state the amount of Co2 that is produced by charging them as well...
The battery weighs more tjhan the Austin Healey Sprite that I'm restoring.
Much rather have the Sprite and I’ll guarantee the sprite will still be pootling around when all these Evs have died and gone to “uneconomical to repair “ heaven (or hell?)
Haha isn’t that perspective. I was thinking that too. I bet the average traffic speed and energy consumption per kilometer hasn’t changed since they were were new. I’m restoring a 69 mini van and it’s 580kg and $50 of fuel gets me far with fun. Who needs electric wiper washers. Just press the mechanical water pump lazy.
And probably 60k for a new battery like the Hyundai ones 😂
Speed alert assist would drive me nuts. 7 button clicks to turn it off each and every time.
Unfortunately, most modern cars, whether ICE or EV, have the same problem now. I guess it's a good reason to stick with a car that's several years old.
yep and with the 2 way communication, you know the manufacturer knows you are speeding ever so slightly. And they WILL give those information to law enforcement the second the gov turns the system on. Instant ticket and no chance at defense !
@@gregb1599my new Mazda CX-30 you can turn it off for good. The stop start is another story. One button to switch it off each time. At least you don’t have to menu dive like the Kia’s and Hyundais.
@@Greggie_D On your Mazda CX-30, try turning the climate control auto-mode off, and driving around with the temperature on one side of the split system set to "Lo". You will then need to adjust the fan speed manually to cool the car down, but it disables the stop-start system without needing to push any buttons.
This works because the stop-start system does not activate if there is a large difference between the internal temperature and the selected temperature.
@@Greggie_D And that is why I said "most" the Chinese cars are also bad for it, as are the new Japanese, although as you say with Mazda, Nissan seems to still give you the permanent off with at least its lane keep and Propilot.
John, I like you. You're smart, you're entertaining and you just don't hold back.
I just wish he would tell us how he really feels. It can't do a man good to hold it in like that. Of course then it couldn't be on YT.
This takes me back to 1973 when the LEYLAND P76 was chosen as Wheels Car of the Year, It should have been awarded "Lemon of the Decade"
And the last Mitsubishi Magna 360 that won car of the year before it was even released.
Why was it a lemon?
@@erroneouscode P76 was known to drop the gear box while driving. Catching fire on hit days. Various important parts falling of at highway speeds. It’s nickname was the P38 because it was only half a car.
@@marksmart9754 What do you mean by "Drop the gearbox"?
If you're talking about the Leyland P76, a google search will give the answer. Also the Australian government offered assistance to the company by buying their product. At the time I was employed by the government and had first hand experience driving the P76, windows came out of their door bracket and the water pump fell off 300km away from home. These were brand new vehicles; want more..........
i don't want one ever.........
For less than the price of an EV9, we bought two cars that eminently suit our motoring lifestyle and wants and needs. We got a Mustang (2.3 ecoboost High Performance 6 speed manual) and a twin cab GWM Cannon X top of the line (at the time last year) ute. They both get great fuel economy, fill up in minutes, and are very reasonable to insure and service.
And I’ll say again; the total price for both was less than one middling range EV9, and I would wager they both used less resources to build than the EV9. Possibly even both combined would be the same or only slightly more than the EV9.
How the government is going to “convince” people to move away from the cars they actually need and want to buy and instead buy an EV should be “interesting”…
The 2.3 Mustang is hated by so called purists, but it's lighter front end and better handling saved my bacon when an F150 and trailer combo decided my lane and position was it's new location and just moved straight over before the turn off to Barstow CA. I reefed that wheel and gunned it and that car reacted beautifully and will always have my respect, enjoy life with it, very under rated. Excellent handling and not common in OZ.
Well you are clearly not part of the target group.
Both the ecoboost and gwm are crappy vehicles longer term. Get a Camry, Corolla, or Hilux. Then you've really done better.
Bahaha I was waiting for this. As soon as I heard the drive announcement on the radio the other day I instantly thought of you and how much you would be blowing up!!!! Hahaha didn’t disappoint John. Love it!
The truth is extremely refreshing in this world these days. Thank You for sharing your wonderful life with us…
DUDE!
Truth is just a word and doesn't mean you're not being lied to.
I’ve seen a car magazine make a yet to be released for sale car of the year. Just shows how a lot of these awards are for sale.
I know of a person who lost all power during the Christmas day storm that tore through south of Brisbane. About 2 months prior to this event they had spent $32000 on a tesla battery and extra solar panels. When the power went out they thought they were honky dory but a day and a half later the battery was flat and would not charge. Apparently they had to access an app to switch over the battery to solar but as the net was down this was not possible. They then had to spend more money and buy a generator to keep the fridge and freezer going ,all the while without any hot water as it is solar and also would not work. What a complete waste of money. And to make matters worse nobody could be contacted for help as everyone was on holidays.I am not sure what the end result was but i think they were going to have the whole thing removed and have a big generator hardwired to the house with a switch for the next outage.
Can't wait to have one of these monsters parked next to me at the grocery store. Blocking me in, because its too large for parking spaces
There are three places you will see this 1) at the airport waiting to pick up cabin crew for an overnight 2) outside the hotel where the air crew stayed last night 3) sucking back electrons at a public charger
What's missing from these calculations is the increase cost to car registration caused by wear and tear to Australian roads as a result of excess weight contributed by EVs as opposed to their ICE counterpart.
You are welcome to contribute the calculations
Re: calculation of CO2/km. In the Australian Financial Review today there is an article about the proposed vehicle emission standards. Included is a table derived from modelling by the MTAA, in which Tesla has a sales weighted CO2 classification of zero. So the MTAA clearly isn’t thinking about the source of electricity.
Convenient that.
You expected thinking from a collection of lobbyists ? Tip: don’t. They will say whatever is convenient for them on the day. They will twist themselves in to knots when a change of opinion is required
Think the average EV has to travel 112000klms to become carbon neutral, once that’s achieved who’s gunna help the trees eat ?.
@@TegrityMaster The replacement BEV will do that. They really don't last that long.
@@TegrityMasterincorrect studies have shown it’s about 15000 to 20000 miles travelled from new in most countries and depends wildly on your electric grid fuel mix , if you are living in Poland or China then maybe 100k kms might not be far off but most countries are somewhere in that 15 to 20k miles range for EV carbon break even point and if you grid is heavy on renewables like Norway as low as 8k miles.
I'm going to charge mine overnight at home using the solar panels on my roof
"Cause albo said we could!
Lots of people believe in this technology but they're all lunar--tics.
That's why you have a battery. On a good day you can produce a lot more than you use and charge the excess. And that's how u charge overnight. Good bit though.
@@parsonk4041 using a battery to charge another battery. I'm sure that makes sense to you
@@kevinbarry71 it makes sense when you consider the first battery was charged with excess. Rather than giving it back to the grid you can store it. So yes it does make sense. Like using a battery pack to charge a phone.
That quintessential "Yank Tank" the 1959 Cadillac, the standard by which excess is measured, weighed just under 2200 kgs... The EV9 "only " weighs between 2300 and 2650 kgs...
Exactly.
Half of the world’s lithium supply in a single vehicle……..that sounds more like ‘Murica, than ‘Stralia. It almost makes me proud to see such dipshittery spreading from our shores.
I’m thinking here that choices were made after consultation with Drive’s advertising sales team.
The first add I got at the start of this vid was for the EV9 😵💫
Yeh! A reminder of what not to buy!
All hail the algorithm
Me too. Oh the irony
I am honestly amazed at how many newer EV appear to resemble bricks. What happened to efficiency through aerodynamics.
Musk said, correctly “if aerodynamic efficiency was optimised all the cars would look the same”
and why do they all have these horrendously designed wheels....
@@theairstig9164 Going brick-like is the other extreme.
@@theairstig9164yes but they don’t have to make it look hideous. My eyes glaze over every time I look at this Down Syndrome Lego block vehicle.
Can ya put a Roo bar and spotties on it and how does it go over corrugated dirt's roads. O thats right its a city shopping car.
If I had to buy a new car today, I'd go hybrid too. No access to power at my apartment's parking space and not enough fast-chargers along the roads I most frequently use with half of them being 50-72kW and costing nearly as much per km as gasoline anyway.
Soon you won’t be able to buy anything that doesn’t have a battery somewhere in the power train. The reason is Euro 6 compliance - of it ever gets adopted in Australia. Imagine owning outright a nice $1M house and only being able to afford a used Peugeot 205 GTD because the rego has road use, emissions and waste oil/tyre disposal fees that add up to more than the cost of the diesel AND the fully comprehensive insurance combined. It does nothing for the environment. It’s purely a transfer of wealth from the retail user to the state government
Public charging costs more than gas in North America.
I guaranteed people this video would come!
Also that the first advert would be for the EV9 😂
As JC reached for a Ming Moll, he felt a great disturbance in the Force as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
I wonder how much they paid for that award? 🤔
John in The US In 1975 motor Trend magazine awarded the Chevrolet VEGA as the car of the year! Hmmm the Egg heads in the Automotive press?😅😅
Omg I just got a CZcams ad for the EV9 before this played
Omh, I just thought of a clown before I read your comment
You don't use Ad-block??? for shame .lol
@@keithmacfarlane5907 doesn't work with the app
Algorithms aren't very bright.
There was a report of future technology, it has the ability to be recharged in under 2min, weighs only half of the EV's, cost less 50% of an EV, can be repaired without special equipment, can travel nearly 4 times the distance of an EV on a single recharge, can be recharged on any safe surface even in the outback, now for the bonus, if it heaven forbids catches fire, if a small fuel fire a chemical dry powder extinguisher, or for a more serious fire, foam will do the job. Unfortunately nothing can put out a thermal runaway fire in an EV once it starts. You might ask what is this new technology? I.C.E powered vehicle
I distinctly remember the uproar (even within its own office) Wheels copped, rightfully so, when the BMW i3 was CoTY in 2014.
An 80K micro pseudo-EV with bugger all range, dumb charging equipment and which ran out of charge returning from the proving ground after COTY testing.
But oooh, it has recycled plastic bits.
Wheels?
BAHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No no gives a crap about those awards ever since they messed up and gave the Camira the award.
Wheels? Jow many brown paper bags did GMH give them year after year, no more GMH nrown paper bags and Wheels are at desths door.
LOL.
Drive is the Shopping Channel of car reviews.
Next up: “Drive’s polished fake gold flaked turd of the next 90 minutes of the Year. Buy now and get a second turd free!”
Love how these huge blocks of solid metal are considered “efficient” and “green” when a gas version that’s weighs the same (2400kg/5200+lbs) would be completely unacceptable and get ragged on thoroughly and deservingly.
John, you left out the emissions from making it. Impossible to count as battery makers aren't transparent but considerable
It’s 100 to 200Kg of CO2 per KWh of battery by the time it’s in the retail customers hands. The difference depends on the source of the electricity and whether or not the lithium comes from spodumene ore or brine
You can get close by figuring out the tonnage. Those figures are known.
Spend over 105k on a car which will have catastrophic depreciation, massive running costs and limited usability? Where do I sign?
This is going to be right up there with the awarding (not by Drive, admittedly) of COTY to the JB Camira or the TM Magna - except that we can all see that this award is ridiculous on its face.
But you may get a free cremation .
Tighten your man bun. Sip your soy latte and go for it!
I remember feeling very rich when I could afford to finally subscribe to Wheels Magazine. I loved it!
Biased piece of rubbish. Like MM.
My rear engined Fiat 850 Sports Coupe with a six pack of Cooper's Vintage Ale in boot, weighs 750 kgs. 903 cc capacity, red line 107mph.
There is a guy in GB calling them Milkfloats,LOL.........
Milk floats here in the UK were milk delivery vehicles and they used to be everywhere (before supermarkets turned up) and they were mostly powered by electric.
I miss getting stuck behind a milk float 😂
"Future my arse" now available on merch..
@@activecarwashsupplies9320 Yes and he got over 4 Mil. followers
and Utube does not like it!!! The world is full of ARSEHOLES!!
Pardon my English!!!
Couldn’t agree more. It’s everything wrong with the current direction EVs are taking.
Talk about dud calls. Remember when wheels magazine gave the holden camira car of the year and then later dud of the decade.
Same crap with these EVs
Ahh JC, nothing beats driving around in a yellow jumpsuit 😉
Holding my breath for the Cyberdunny to win (sic) COTY.
Is there a RHD assembly line? Does Tesla pay for advertising. If the answers are no and no I will take your money
The only COTY that has credibility these days is the EVO PCOTY, even the Wheels version of COTY is now a bit naff, and yes the EV9 is a rather bad choice from Drive.
I think I feel blessed for living in a country that is not Australia.
Drove the beige Carolla hybrid recently. A hire car. Drove almost every day about an average of about 12 k a day in urban area. Rooly good. Plenty of power for this situation and used just half a tank in three weeks (approx $2.00 per day). Nice boring medium sized sedan (no the hatch).
It’s brilliant eh? That Toyota hybrid system is great.
1. Child battery mineral labor
2. Range anxiety
3. Risk of garage fires
4. Paying 20k more than a
comparable vehicle
5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration.
6. Poor resale value
7. Reduced performance in
cold, highway.
8. Higher repair costs
9. Awful charging network
experiences in the weather
without restrooms
10. Higher insurance rates
11. Replacing tires more
frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution.
12. Death by autopilot
13. $25k - $35k battery
14. Low km range per tank of energy.
15. must wait in-line 1-2 hrs
to charge.
16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging.
17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm.
18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die.
19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road)
20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid.
21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car.
In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one.
22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals.
23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries.
24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down.
25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce a ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.
26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage....
27. You can't charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out.
28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't put them out. They are only trying to prevent over things near by from catching fire.
29. Ok, there is 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear.
30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better.
31. in Dublin, huge generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff.
32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car.
33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm.
34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money.
35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery.
36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already.
37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.)
38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrape money.
39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above.
40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 kids strapped into car seats, in the back seat ,which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in.
41. There must be a reason that Boeing 747's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation.
42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere.
43. Even Mr. Bean says;
"I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped".
"When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panacea it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis."
Mr. Bean is a smart man.
44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50K new or a $20K used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 4 years, no problem.
There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago....
They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt.
Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate.
Ev's (External combustion vehicles) suck, and it's a bridge to nowhere. But they do sometimes convert themselves into "internal combustion", but sadly, they can only do that 1 time.
@jakefriesnjake. I totally agree with your extensive reasons why ev utopia is a while away, at best. Just on point 28. The electric cement truck, that burnt, not to the ground, but through the ground, in Melbourne, 'straya, was doused with 10s of thousands of litres of water. Our roads drain into "storm water", not sewer, which is treated before released.
That truck fire, toxic run off, drained straight into the Yarra River, not far from a well known, family fishing spot called the "warmies"( clean warm water, from cooling a small power station, where large fish gather), and not a mention from anyone.
@@stuartwood7252 I'm very sorry for the contamination.
😂🤣😂 Been looking forward to your views on this bullshit “award” Johnno and you as always haven’t disappointed. Personally I’d never buy an SUV especially an EV or hybrid one let alone one over $100k which is such a fat pig. Give me a petrol powered station wagon any day. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
50k +for a battery
There goes any trade-in value after 8-12 years.
dont forget battery degradation also cost you WHILE the battery is still good. So 23% reduction in capacity is 23% of that 50k lost in 3 years. Thus the abysmal depreciation of the ev is even worse than it seems
Car of the year should be proly the Renault (clio, megan) hybird - "no clutch", no synchros 4spd - light, compact yet smooth
Herse with built in ability to be a crematorium. 😂😂😂
Same kerb weight.
To Valhalla!
Thinking of having a look at the soon to be released Toyota Prado mild hybrid because hybrids are good. I already have a Lexus hybrid so I know stuff.😊
Bring back the Holden Camira please, all is forgiven!!!😂😂😂
EVs in Australia generate more CO2 than ICE cars especially in Victoria where the electricity comes from brown coal. Petrol versions of the MG ZS and Hyundai Kona emit close to 170 gm of CO2 per km. Electric versions use 0.175kWhr per km but to generate that amount of energy (allowing for 10% transmission loss and 13% charger loss) would emit about 270gm from brown coal and 200 gm from black coal or oil. There is a benefit if electricity comes from gas which would emit about 110 gm of Co2 at the power station.
Car of the year, Camira and P76, so good
Nothing wrong with the camira only check the electrical terminals, had mine for at least 100 k never missed a beat, ps timing belt and other things that must be done is standard in all cars.
@@johnmathisen1167 Horrible POS. I worked on so many as a motor mechanic. They deserved their poor reputation.
Still scarred for life from working on Camiras as a mecho in a previous life. "Parts Barrel" car we called them. Built out of shit laying around the factory.
Ever try to get the starter motor off one of those pigs?@@erroneouscode
I make my effort to save the planet by driving my Getz and my wife's PD i30SR happily bought through you John.
I remember when the Camira got car of the year, I'm not sure what they were smoking back in the day.
That's brilliant this Solar group has got onboard with your site, that's the real benefits we need, not stupid over priced bs battery cars. Any help and support to those adding or upgrading our solar systems is brilliant. Anything that saves me $ from cash-grabbing grid power, is a 👍 for me.
Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, then along comes a new invention, the "Internal combustion engine" I think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refuelled in one tenth of the time and has a range of up to four times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it and use far less steel and other materials.
Just think how excited people would be for such technology, it would sell like hot cakes.
Just thinking about this: max weight is 3240kg (~7100lbs). The "normal" car driving license in EU is "class b" - which is vehicles up to 3500kg (~7700lbs). A little more and you need a trucking license for this. And you could only drive 80 km/h (50mp/h) max speed and other regulations like a speed monitoring device and so on - because its a truck. But i'm sure Govs will make a exception
In response to to cat psychic comment, in Brexitstan we just had a program with a segment where a cat psychic was to ask a cat if it was happy its owner wanted to clone it. Leaving aside the actual communication part of this I almost wanted to see someone explaining the concept of cloning to a cat…
As soon as Drive announced the winner, we refreshed CZcams hourly waiting for this video.
I have to imagine that somewhere in the article they brag/bitch about plowing through "a myriad of" choices.
Just imagine if every home had a EV charging at approx 5-11pm the load would be unsustainable, the amount of infrastructure 'power generator' would be impossible.
Yes I am sure everyone will charge between 5pm & 11pm when electricity is at peak prices rather than programming their cars to charge during off-peak hours.
What factors do you use for efficiency of charge and discharge (I e. Power lost as heat due to the battery internal resistance)?
John's speeches are truly shakespearean.
Now that you’re promoting solar installations, I look forward to your report on house fires caused by battery storage banks. 😊
My last 30 days energy bill (before account fees etc) was under $20 with a 10kW solar system and 20kW battery.
It makes sense from a cashflow perspective but unless you’re actively ‘running’ the system, I’d worry about its time to pay off the investment.
Eg, we have a 6,000lt swim spa, 2 dishwashers etc and I have automations that turn the spa on and off depending on battery charge, solar generation, day of week etc.
Similarly, a mate with a Kia EV6 filled his car when the grid was negative and got paid ~$7 by his energy retailer (who pass on the wholesale costs) for charging it up also using automations.
Media BS is why I last read an auto magazine 20 years ago.
7:35 it happened this month, I was the place my neighbours and friends came to for storing fridge stuff and charging battery banks so they could charge their phones.
when buying an electric car, whats more important? long warranty or high repairability? wich brands is most non-dealer repair friendly? i gues your theone to give us the straight answere.
i read that vw id3/4 need a new motor from factory and cant be switched around. any other brands with similar anti repair tricks?
To call SUVs "family friendly" is asshattery of epic proportions.😂😂🤣😂
I am looking at an inner city condo for weekday use and rather than worry about the bathrooms am specifically looking for a basement car space near a powerpoint......future proofing.
While watching this video for the first time, at 20 minutes CZcams threw me up an ad for the Kia EV9 claiming it was 'Movement that inspires'! To which I rolled on the floor laughing my socks of at the paradoxical irony to this situation!!! I'm sorry to tell you world of advertising that trying to counter a negative with a positive just does nothing except remain at negative! Absolutely agree with your opinions John and have done on EV's for a long time, they're just a virtue signal so it eases the conscientious burden humanity!
$105000 really not in my universe . My last 9 cars didn’t cost me that much over the last 41 years . This is just stupid.
John, be thankful that the pet psychic *followed* your segment. If the pet psychic preceeded you, that's when you decide to remain in the green room, scoffing the petit fours and sobbing into the complimentary Kleenex.
Halfhide? What's he hiddin? And I'm missin the Five Finger Death Punch Tee.
For the thousandth time, I say, somebody create an electric car with 100-mile range, without air conditioning or heated leather seats, that will get me to the bank, the post office, the grocery store, and home again. That's what electric cars do best.
here in NZ the coal efficiency is lower than Aus. At Huntley our coal base generation emits 1300G CO2 per unit of electricity. Also for EVs must be included is the mainline loss plus distribution loss plus charging loss
I live in Central London and drive an 08 Smart for Two, having covered a mere 28k miles in 15 years I anticipate driving this well maintained car for the next 15 years at least.
You just can't polish a turd or sugar coat it great work as usual Straliaaa
I remember when the Prius first came on the market some year in the 2000s range, the battery cost about 170,000klms in CO2 emissions of a similar car of the time not including transport for the parts of the battery etc, just to make. Now considering the expected life time of the battery unit was about 10 years this meant you needed 17,000klms a year... something city drivers were not really known for just to break even on battery manufacture... a diesel hasn't even really warmed up by then. So while it is nice to see the running comparison between when they actually move, if you believe the narrative about 'climate change' what is the benefit or at what point would you gain benefit from using a vehicle like that 'car of the year'? FWIW the Prius did seem to do well as Taxis that easily passed the klms per year.
Does Squeels still run the COTY thing?
I shared your previous report on the EV9 on the DRIVE FB page and it disappeared....LMAO The solar company they install in Adelaide(the dead centre of Australia)?
Sure do mate.
No hands up here... Thanks John for your no BS reviews - just perfect.
Saw some lawyer charging his ev when I was driving home late the other night. I laughed literally in to his face.