John Cadogan. How Accessories affect your Warranty. FULL INTERVIEW podcast @4xoverland
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2 seasoned individuals that push the norms of society and challenge mainstream thought.
A pleasure to watch.
Thank you
John Cadogan is a gem and he brings knowledge and humor to the channel. Well done engaging him. ❤️
One can only imagine Andrew and John swapping lives for just one week.
John in an old tractor doing 3kph for days and days, and Andrew living life in Sydney with the current Tiffany, with the previous 7 Tiffany's constantly banging on the penthouse door.
If Andrew needs any help with any of the Tiffany's.... 😉 IYKYK 😂
Neither can find someone they can get along with, seemingly these two strange bedfellows found each other.
I never understood John properly till you two teamed up. Now he’s one of my favourites. I guess I did not understand his cynical rather Ausie way of speaking, now I find it quite entertaining especially given the wealth of knowledge he has
Talking about CFD reminded me of when I worked for Holden. One of the interns was complaining to me about how his Sylvia kept overheating about 120km/h at every track day (I was a powertrain cooling warranty engineer at the time). This was despite increasing the cooling capabilities of the car. I asked him a few questions:
1: In OEM condition, did it have an under engine tray? (Answer: yes)
2: Is it still on the car? (Answer: no, that was removed to improve air flow through the radiator when the cooling system was upgraded)
3: Does it have a vertical lip sticking downward at the rearmost edge? (Answer: yes)
4: Do you still have it kicking around somewhere? (Answer: yes)
Advice given: Put it back on. If my guess is correct, the lip at the back is there to cause a low-pressure zone underneath the back of the engine bay to suck more air through the radiator.
Result: He bolted it back on (and this was the only change he made), and at his next track day, he no longer had an overheating problem.
Despite how the plastic under-engine tray looked like it would cause an airflow restriction, it was specifically designed (probably with CFD) to *significantly increase* flow through the radiator and engine bay.
Moral of the story: If the OEM has spent money to make a seemingly useless and ugly part and bolt it to your car, chances are, it probably does something important, so it's probably a good idea not to remove or modify it.
My two favorite CZcams guys on one extended podcast.
Two guys that speak to their audience in a way that makes us giggle a bit, and laugh a lot.
Keep it up guys, we the older generation don’t go for sound bites and prefer good honest knowledge and opinions (may not be what we think a lot of the time). But it’s a great format and I would love you to do more.
Just awesome gents.. Make it a regular event.
Your really are a couple of very cool grandfathers. Kids would never forget you two.
2 blokes that know their stuff.
Enjoyed the sensible discussion! Thankyou.
awesome and outstanding.thanks for sharing and taking us along.
Thank you guys, enjoyed every bit
A civil discussion, based on the use of shared expertise is a good way to learn and engage an audience. Thank you...
The chalk and cheese of automotive journalism. Love it and glad it happens.
good discussion about a complex topic. I think my dad would love it👍
Great points on skidding and crash avoidance- mountain biking is similar- you need to learn to keep head up look where you want to go or exit through the corner, not what you want to avoid and sure as hell you’ll hit it. Two other bits I’ve learned is when skidding take foot off accelerator and avoid using breaks, that gets traction back
Talk about Toyota going the distance on a 2012 Tacoma TRD Offroad, in June of 2021 they replaced the entire Secondary Air Injection System on my truck free of charge. This was because they knew of a known problem. It made me a lifetime Toyota fan! Keep up the great videos!!! Thank you.
I contacted Main Roads up here in Queensland, asking why advanced driver training isn’t part of the Learner/Provisional license process.
Main Roads’ official position on driver education programs is that they “encourage anti-social driving behaviour”.
Effectively, this goes to show that “The Government” does not give a shit about individual driver safety, and will continue to parrot “SPEED KILLS” because that shifts any all all responsibility away from “The Government” and puts it squarely on the individual.
Lovely Ep guys
JC and ASPW - The Dream
Team!
I worked at a reputable lawnmower dealership, a customer bought a new zero turn, around $10,000 worth. It used copious amounts of oil since new, the maker didn't want to warrant it, eventually it ran out of oil and dropped a big end, our dealership got warranty for the customer by saying the big end bolts came loose and dropped out, he got a new engine and we retained a customer.
2 legends
I normally can't watch John as he is too slow and talks weird on his topics, but he is good at talking with Andrew, which is great because he is a smart bloke.
@JohnCadogan
In a few months time I have learned that double licked diffs at slow speed is way better than faster no diff-locks when doing 90 degrees rivers crossings or sand driving.
- You’ve thought me most of it. Thank you.
not sand driving. Diff locks can make things worse in sand driving, particularly on side slopes. Do not use axle lockers on side slopes.
thank you for very great super details two best Australia in video
I anticipated John Cadogan would strongly critique aftermarket accessorizing of 4WD vehicles, but to my surprise, his disapproval was less intense than usual, presenting a more subdued perspective on aftermarket accessories. It’s crucial to emphasize that engaging in this activity is more of a hobby than a necessity. Many individuals perceive it as a necessity without having actually utilized the accessories. Even as a hobby, it’s primarily driven by the the manufacturing industry.
Defender#lattesippingblacktopsoccermumcruiser.
Always a pleasure listening to Mr. C
thanks for sharing
Hearing Andrew say "poser" was delightful.
Ahh Statler and Waldorf my favourite vehicle commentators.
Even better at second viewing - the MALS dynamic duo!
Two decent and honest blokes !
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I have done the part time 4WD conversions (on 80 series), the biggest advantage was improved steering. We used a properly engineered kit.
I had a "cheap" catch can fail on me. Thing blocked up preventing the crankcase from venting and ended up blowing all the seals on the turbo. It was an expensive lesson learned. Ps: a catch can can't drain your sump.
This is good to know.
Catch cans are the biggest gimmick in the 4wd world.
@@79series totally agree and I didn't come to a conclusion.
I got reported for this comment for "bullying," didn't challenge anyone or call anyone specific out.
@@79series Not just you. It’s gotten much worse and will continue to get worse
I think there was a missed opportunity with the questioning that I had thought you were leading into. That is
"What about fitting accessories to a vehicle that the manufacturer know everbody fits and promotes their vehicles for a use that would see such items fit, for example a bull bar, or roofrack, catch can, etc, and then denys a warranty claim over it?" These manufactures use the aftermarket options to sell their vehicles, even offering them as predelivery fitments, but then claiming they are a reason for failure. It is a quasi approval of the modification, but then complete deniability of any responsibility.
Good to see our next Prime Mincer with Three Nads
Heiner’s story with his Hilux is truly a good story.
From Dec 8 - Dec 30, 2023, I drove a 9 seater Renault Trafic + luggage at free-speed autobahn in Bayern and I had almost no issues at up to 180kph - as long as I favored the left lane for faster cars.
Upgrade to worst component in the vehicle.
- Your ability as a driver.
- Spot on,John!
Second…
-Don’t drive your car beyond its capacity. See bullet point #1 again.
Great discussion. Advanced driving course to increase drivers technique such as controlled slides on dirt roads or vehicle contol when swerving at highway speeds for example would save lives on Australian long distance roads.
Two bloody bonza bloke's, and on at the sometime and place, enjoyed the last time and strangely enough forgot, Wassa from sheepshsgastan. 😊😊😊.
Thanks guys
While watching- I switched to EarPods and went and removed the stainless steel bug/stone screen I’d previously fitted in front of the radiator on my HDJ100.
Vortex generators energise the boundary layer
27:39 From my experience on a LC 70 series, the catch can collects oil, no doubts.
But sometimes I ask myself: if i installed the catch can to avoid the build up of sludge in the air intake/valves and the sludge is essentially a mix of oil and carbon particulates, what happen to the carbon particles if I removed the oil?
Simple answer - catch can alone will not prevent black sludge in the intake. Blocking EGR does. Sure there are downsides to any mod you do. Maybe blocking EGR does affect something with performance and fitting a catch can leaves you vulnerable to the dangers of raised crankcase pressures. I felt JC was slightly out of his depth with the catch can question and wasn't sure where to take it.
The Car Care Nut pretty much has the same take when it comes to modifications and lifting vehicles.
Waldorf & Statler are back in air 😂😂😂😂😂😂
One of my all time favorite 4x4’s is the old Hilux. But as you with your ZA Troopy I didn’t dare buy a used old Hilux in GUA because of the uneducated bush mech’s “servicing”/“fixing” it over the years. So I got a brand new Jimny instead.
Hi guys, I own a 2007 NS Pajero with the super select. I’ve bought it new and it’s got 325k on the clock. I can assure you that it does save fuel in 2wd high, especially on a longer than average or long trips. It’s worth around 2/3L per hundred on a longer drive. Just going to and from work as a comparison is not a good test. A whole bunch of different factors could come into play. How far was the trip, for example, if it’s a short one, the engine may have not even gotten to temp, traffic conditions could be different each day etc.
I would love to speak to either of you two gentlemen about a warranty issue I'm having with a 76......
The 105 modification is what's known in the industry as a GIG locker🤣
You guys performed well i loved the show 💯👍 be fantastic hanging out with you two around a barbecue downing a few beers be bloody entertaining 😂 which brings me to the Mitsubishi pagero thats outback Australia ready so they say gee thats miss leading and dangerous the bloody thing hasnt got a spare tyre 🤔 id be worried just driving the thing to and from work and got a blow out and no spare tyre to fit , what happens then ?
It’s like you say, Andrew.
2WD on tarmac is for comfort and longer lasting equipment.
4WD on gravel / off-road is a safety issue as it is a traction issue. Ie getting to the destination.
@JohnCadogan
On accessories …
A guy I met made his calculations and found that he had spent an equal of AU$8,050.00 on accessories - but he had no idea what a diff-locker is or does.
- I shared with him the 1937 CZcams video on the subject.
2x4 or 4x4 on fuel consumption is as insignificant as fuel consumption with your low beams on or off, or your AC on or off. The difference is so small that you need a high tech laboratory to measure the insignificant differences.
I was the one who listened only whilst i worked, and only really heard 20 minutes.
I suspect most of the listeners are also ‘ old farts’ . Thoroughly enjoying.
Free hubs on a 2013 Dmax makes 1.5Ltrs per 100klm better fuel economy, and less front tyre scrub (wheel alignment spot on) less drag from turning CV’s and diff for nothing, and you can use low range when reversing a heavy load without binding, this is my real world saving over 120K klm’s $20 per tank easily paying for $270 hubs.
I love listening to old farts. You've done it all, well mostly, and you have the Tshirt. Besides, I'm an old fart as well.
A friend of mine has a large Hyundai Terracan SUV. He can’t find diff-lockers for it.
So, he did the welded front diff with manual hubs and it looks like it works just fine for him as he understands its limitations.
- Is he wrong?
he is very wrong! He could have turned that car into a serious accident waiting to happen.
So long cvs
The TFL experience was a debacle
I picked up an AJ after he broke his leg and got it plastered, I was driving a series 2A ceremonial Landrover , he rips the hand throttle to full, we went up on two wheels past the parade ground, he rips it back to idle and proceeds to tell me I was crazy, I said who pulled the hand throttle?
I bought in 2015 a GX v8 79. The dealer whom i have bought several toyotas from said he would void my chassis warranty if i fitted anything other than a genuine toyota bar so I did. The toyota bar was crap. The following purchase there was no mention of that. Toyotas attitude to warranties suck. Dont get me started on them stripping the sump plug on my 2020 v8 dual cab, fitting a 2nd hand sump which then also had to be helicoiled. Arguements from 5000km about excessive fuel consumption until the clutch let go (no change in driving habbits first cruiser ever to do so. In fact the cruiser did less work due to covid), excessive use of incorrect silicone which was drooling out externally and internally. I demended a new sump and that my mechanic (who services my fj45 in my profile), would fit it. They refused to cover the labor, refused to cover costs re clutch. To make matters worse inwas the toyota australia auctioneer and inwas their own auctioneer for the sale and purchse of their trade ins etc.
Thers an old saying “ a bird never shits in its own nest” they shit in their nest. I cancelled 2 new v8 orders, puchased a hilux from a country dealer (to see if i can live with the 2.8 before buying it in a 70), and have told as many in the industry about it. I wont mention names but I live in Bilpin which is in the Hawkesbury… and if anyone of them reads this “go and fuck yourselves” oh what a feeling
Is this a repost of your potcast from a few months ago?
yes. but it was only a small section posted on this channel and the click throughs were not very good. Trail and error, etc.
@@4xoverland thanks I did not realise that.
Part 2?
Late last year had my 2021 4.5L V8 fail with 2 badly scored cylinders ... the manufacturer made me sweat for 12 weeks and made comments around the catch can possibly voiding the warranty ... they came to the party in the end but I didn't sleep much for those 3 months ...
I’m curious - based on that experience, did you fit a catch can to the replacement engine.
ironically, the dealer re-installed the catch can they removed when they replaced the engine!@@dionisaacson2977
@@dionisaacson2977 ironically the dealer re-fitted the catch can I originally had fitted (direction plus) after they replaced the engine!
I just learnt a new phrase Philosophical betrayal. I";l keep that in my mind. when it comes to replacing my 20 yo hilux
I had an issue with Toyota with a 2017 Toyota Tacoma Off Road.
My Tacoma with less than 1k miles developed a leak in the rear differential.
I drove my Tacoma up a trail Toyota used to advertise my exact model. The footage was used in advertising where I live.
I drove my Tacoma up the same trail which was a trail you could drive in 2WD.
Since my Tacoma had some mud in the drivetrain they decided I abused the truck.
I showed them the youtube videos from Toyota of them driving Tacomas on the same trail and they ended up replacing the whole rear differential.
I told the service advisor, you sell this as a TRD OFF ROAD, you advertise this going off road.
And I use the vehicle as advertised then you tell me my warranty is void?
Marketing and service at dealers aren’t on the same page.
They need to get a room
lol, John at his best........
Why do I think I've seen this before?
this is the full version of a teaser posted in December.
I must have seen this in a live cast@@4xoverland
Loved this, especially the story about the 4WD to 2WD modification. I was in Afar for field work, hired a toyota truck and driver from our usual operator. Wondered why he was driving so aggressively on the rough stuff and kept asking him to chill (we only had one spare). Turned out the operator had sent the driver out with a truck modified to full time 2WD apparently because the 4WD was stuffed. Now I know how (and maybe why). 10/10 to the driver for not getting us stuck anywhere...
I disagree a bit with John about car manufacturers just being money driven, yes they do want to make money but manufacturers like Toyota long ago realized that there will be no money if they do not produce a good product at a good price. And that goes for everything else in life. Yes there is the cheap Chinese stuff that does not live up to standards. So some manufacturers still do their best to produce the best
Funny how a Manufacturer will fix things during a normal service. Like updates on software and other faults. But won't do a recall because it's bad publicity.
Three old farts, I join in!
Ps and ive probably jumped the gun because i havnt watched this all the way through. I was so upset. Same for their catch can policy… they make it up as they go simply to get out of owning up to issues ie blame it on the accessory
@JohnCadogan
Lesson: Automatic transmission & left foot breaking will save your life more than once while alive/driving.
My 300 series Sahara get nowhere near the stated fuel economy. All manufacturers make false claims....
just realize that you two are providing something that is now being FORGOTTEN......... common sense
Years ago, I was approached by a fella with a ute with a badly cracked chassis
- was within warranty. the manufacturer reps in oz refused warranty and blamed the bulbar
- their engineers quoted their extensive testing bla bla bla
- the reality was that the chassis had defective welds from the factory that were the root cause of the problem, not the bullbar.
- a competent engineering report was duly done identifying the root cause and process of structural failure
- the OZ engineers ignored the report and took 18 months to send the failed chassis and report to Japan who promtly "hit the roof"
Despite the rejecting engineering report (accepted by the factory as correct whe they eventually got it), A new chassis ( also with significant defective factory welds) was provided after the customer made mention of National TV coverage for the problem
The take away (for me) in this was that incompetence, ignorance and arrorgance in engineering and management abounds within some pockets of the industry in OZ.
- either that, or an utter lack of moral integrity was demonstrated.
@John Cadogan
There’s a word for religious people worshipping money. They are called ’Evangelicals’.
This was entertaining but I still see old mate that supports mods out the wazzo fall in arguments against a engineer...was nice they were polite but I know John's true opinions and I'll go with an engineer over a mod king any day when it comes to what's good for my vehicle, what's good for me m, what's good for my pocket, how to cover my ass.....at the end of the day I'll take the advice of a man that doesn't make a cent out of products and sponsorship an engineer not a product pusher
Not everyone living in WA ,also not everyone going on canning stock . Most people 90% time travel near civilisations. Therefore I dont need car like toyota tin cans.CZcams influencers like TFL likes dramas and it gives them click baits.Sure any car which been complete redone will always have hickups . Over the time vehicles get better.This is why you dont buy latest model. I owns defender for 2 years now .Ive been camping ,overlanding 1000nds of kms . I never had single issue. Even if I got one ,dealers/repairers not that far . I didnt add single modification to my defender apart from tailgate table .I bought car which match closest to my requrements ,so that I don't have to add after market to make it mine.
You said it yourself . . " I bought car which match closest to my requirements". Bravo. Well done. If you stay close to civilisations, then Defender is great. How many time do I need to say it before a single Defender owner recognises this? PS. TFL didn't create click bait and then both of them broke down! Have you been following the Aussie couple trying to do a lap of Aus in their Defender? This is not a hard trip. And yet they keep breaking down. And the guy in Oregon? A gravel road broke his Defender. These are ALL NEW CARS! The electrics, like all British cars is poor quality, and because every system in that car relies on good electrics, it'll be not long before it will be cheaper to run a helicopter than maintain a Defender past 100K miles. And the resale value then?
@@4xoverland Yes I do follow most of those stories. But I feel its unfair to generalize some of these scenarios. Only bad stories cries out. If you look at defender owners groups there are so many success stories. I have seen new LC 300 brake down in several locations. Mr Cadogan himself did an episode on how the new LC300 burns oil and that you have to take it to the dealer every 3 months. Your own mate heiner broke his own Hilux multiple time in canning stock. Let's take out heiner out of that equation and put a mechanically average-minded person in that place. Now do you think the situation would have been better? ..just because you driving an old-fashioned vehicle does not guarantee back home. When you are not around civilizations there are always risks regardless of what type of vehicle you are in.
Three things,sex, driving and fighting
There are drivers out there that should not be allowed to drive anything but a Toyota Camry and no amount of training will benefit them.
Don’t insult Camrys like that. Boring cars but go forever
Sorry it wasn't meant as an insult @@JimBob-vb8oz
Not your best video fellas... would have preferred you cover the topic
I suspect both of you appeal to a particular demographic. For one, a demographic which isn't "woke". You are both very opinionated but in saying that, you either state facts or highlight your subjective views. So be it, like it or dislike, watch it or don't watch it. I for one appreciate both your personalities and the style of your content. Those who don't, don't need to watch and if they chose to comment in a manner which isn't constructive are not worth the time. Thank you for the ongoing entertainment. Cheers.
Warranty.
thanks.
Only one thing more annoying than haemorrhoids, John Cadogan
Bet super select wouldn't be a "gimmick" if offered by Toyota to this fanboy