Is EU4's "Very Hard" Mode Actually Difficult?

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  • @brxnni
    @brxnni Před rokem +599

    Very Hard is just Paradox doing what it usually does: "just give the ai some cheats thatll make for a realistic gaming experience"

    • @sharkythedev
      @sharkythedev Před rokem +58

      I don’t know why they added -33% AE to the list, the AI naturally has that

    • @tankerscrub5811
      @tankerscrub5811 Před rokem +86

      @@sharkythedev the AI really doesn’t take much land. Unless they are at war with you, then they get an extra 200 war cost just to annex your entire country

    • @speedypichu6833
      @speedypichu6833 Před rokem +3

      I think very hard gives the ai the bonuses the player gets in very easy

    • @sharkythedev
      @sharkythedev Před rokem +2

      @@tankerscrub5811 for my games France annexes all of England in 10 years with less than 2 AE, that’s the most AE for least amount of land taken I’ve ever had

    • @k_aesar
      @k_aesar Před rokem +12

      @@sharkythedev ai is shit at everything but they're godly at managing AE, I've see a grand total of two coalitions form against the ai in 1500 hours of eu4

  • @BabyCal
    @BabyCal Před rokem +30

    random new world OPM tribal nation VH WC when

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před rokem +18

      bruh

    • @PillowWillow007
      @PillowWillow007 Před rokem

      Oh God no! What are you? A sadist?

    • @sharkythedev
      @sharkythedev Před rokem +3

      @@QuarbitGaming if you want to beat this simply play as a horde since it technically classifies as tribal according to the game just with a special government reform

  • @Osariik
    @Osariik Před rokem +165

    Congrats on approaching 50k subs, you deserve to reach it. Anyways, now for the geology. This is a short one because I'm busy, tired and lazy and thus cba doing much.
    Northern Germany is a part of a region called the Central European Depression. I have non-Central-European depression. We are not alike. But yeah, this includes Brandenburg in its entirety and it is a sedimentary zone with extensive glacial history.
    Because that's a bit boring, here's a quick summary of the rest of Germany:
    - The Alps form due to the collision between the African plate and the Eurasian plate. They're primarily folded sedimentary rocks, though as happens with many orogenic provinces (mountain-building regions), there's metamorphism and mylonitisation that happens there too (mylonitisation is complicated so I won't explain it beyond saying that it's basically deep under a fault where instead of the rocks breaking, the rocks smear, and it's really weird and cool).
    - The European Cenozoic Rift System is a series of ancient rifts across primarily France and Germany, with branches into other countries around them. Some parts of the rift are still active and are responsible for some of Europe's earthquake activity.
    - There's a region of volcanic activity that occurs in western Germany called the Vulkaneifel. It includes geologically recent volcanic activity at Laacher See and it is technically still an active volcanic region, though activity may be linked to the loading and unloading of ice age ice caps.
    - Incredibly rich fossil deposits that have a great variety in fossils are called a Lagerstätte. There are several Lagerstätten in Germany that gave us a lot of information about life in previous periods of Earth's history. (Some of these are actually in areas of northern Germany so I kinda lied before. Deal with it.)

    • @Chillerll
      @Chillerll Před rokem +4

      Central European Depression should be the title of my life.

  • @jansatamme6521
    @jansatamme6521 Před rokem +82

    Fun fact, as brandenburg if poland makes ducal prussia happen u can get it as a PU for free by improving realations with ducal prussia up to 100 i think it was

    • @kuba-ts2cp
      @kuba-ts2cp Před rokem +1

      What? Im gonna check it

    • @Harsh-tf9he
      @Harsh-tf9he Před rokem

      PU claim or just a free PU with royal marriage?

    • @jansatamme6521
      @jansatamme6521 Před rokem +8

      @@Harsh-tf9he free PU with event, they just become ur PU

  • @napoleonbuonaparte8975
    @napoleonbuonaparte8975 Před rokem +9

    16:02 Looks like Lions of the North improve the Burgundian IA, now they usually don't die in a pointless Liege war, or at least no so often.

  • @aintnoslice3422
    @aintnoslice3422 Před rokem +43

    I always play very hard for the 50% force limit for the AI because I like the harder initital challenge and especially the much larger wars you get mid-to-late game. It makes the Ottomans feel like a real late-game boss. I like to stack quality modifiers and go ham on waves and waves of troops.

    • @BSideWasTaken
      @BSideWasTaken Před rokem +5

      It's funny because for 99.9% of the player base.. the Ottomans are already basically an end-game boss (them or Spain)

    • @justaride7444
      @justaride7444 Před rokem +1

      Dunno, i'mo whackamoling endless stacks of turkish mercs around anatolia and alt+f4ing and waiting years to do anything while improving relations with people who hate you with a vengeance even when they have never interacted before to try and make an ally and start the warring is that interesting or even hard. Arbitrarily hard i guess, but not really requiring any different amount of skill than playing on any other difficulty. I did play VH exclusively after getting í was familiar enough with the game i had an inkling what i was even diong. After 2k hours of very hard i tried hard for the first time and it's been more enjoyable tbh. The game advances smoothly and i rarely if ever alt+f4 anymore too. That is something everyone i've seen on very hard does A LOT and it's kinda backwards. why play on that difficulty if you just evade the consequences of that difficulty. Shrug

    • @danielmacpherson8487
      @danielmacpherson8487 Před rokem +1

      @@justaride7444 Yeah I think mid-late game EU4 is dogshit tbh, I've tried so many times to enjoy the game past 1600 but the enjoyability of the combat just disappears. Diplomacy, Colonising, Religion, all the different conversions and things get a lot better as time goes on, so playing tall past 1600 is surprisingly fun, but trying to fight any great power just forces me to ditch the campaign cause it's always one of 2 things.
      Number 1 is the typical Spanish Invasion experience, you are decimating a countries homeland, to the point that in real life they would have capitulated into a puppet or at least surrendered years ago but because they have half of the Americas and a loyal ally in fucking Tibet you can't get the warscore to win, and any logical outcome (like the colonies going independent because their ruling nation has basically not existed for 20 years due to occupation) can't happen because of other game rules.
      Number 2 is the typical Ottoman Invasion experience, the numbers are so big and the fronts so long that you have to spend 9 hours per in game month pausing and unpausing to move units around without getting destroyed by the AI's terrible but better than any humans ability to handle such big numbers in real time (all while getting 10fps on a brand new multiple thousand pound computer) to the point where you just stop, I had a Germany game a few months ago (I owned pretty much all of Western Europe directly, and the rest of Europe in vassals/clients) fighting a regular 1700s Ottomans, where I straight up deleted the save file because the Ottomans were so tedious to fight it just wasn't worth playing anymore, they had about a million men, me about 5 but only ~2.2 in Europe/Africa ready to fight, I was also techs ahead and with much better quality and a Golden Era on, it wouldn't have been a challenge to win the war, I just couldn't be bothered achieving the inevitable.
      It's like when I launch Civ V now, I play for 100 turns till I see the layout of the map, then I instantly know how the entire game is gonna go, how I WILL win ahead of schedule in a convincing fashion no matter which victory I go for, I am no longer playing against the AI, I am playing against my own will to live, and in that I will always lose.
      I like how XCOM does it, I don't know the actual numbers going on, but on hard it doesn't feel like there's just more enemies or that they do more damage, they just find a way to inject more stress into the game at higher difficulties and especially on Ironman. and the Stress and uncertainty is what leads to the tactical decisions that make strategy games fun. To get that same feeling after you've blobbed in the first 60 years of EU4 you have to actively destroy your own nation or pre-emptively play super risky like guys like Laith and Red Hawk do on purpose to make their games more interesting and thus the videos more entertaining. I really hope the difficulty and progression gets a hard look in EU5 because while it worked great on Launch, the game evolved into something that doesn't feel right and doesn't make any sense most of the time.
      Sorry I think I derailed that a little from what you were talking about lol, I think I'll try hard out cause I've only done normal and very hard and they each have different problems that hard might find a nice middle-ground on.

    • @luisrodrigues7960
      @luisrodrigues7960 Před rokem +1

      @@danielmacpherson8487 I think you need to touch grass mate, you playing the game too much if you feel that way.

    • @danielmacpherson8487
      @danielmacpherson8487 Před rokem

      @@luisrodrigues7960 i dont play often, i have almost 2k hours but thats over 9 years of playing, i do one or two campaigns worth a year, whether thats like 2 games to 1800 or 8 to 1500.

  • @rimanpele
    @rimanpele Před rokem +78

    the point on very hard is that you should relly more on your allies and never betray them. (since they are more prone to betray you)
    Since the AI is so buffed, you can cheese it a lot (theres a PU guide video made by BudgetMonk where he explains it better, its a pretty recent one, 3 days ago to be exactly), like feeding your allies, having many marches/vassals, etc.

    • @Stephen64138
      @Stephen64138 Před rokem +5

      Yeah, that was good content.
      But in a way, it's like exploiting the challenge of the settings rather that facing them.
      On the other hand, I really don't like the idea of giving buffs like that as the miracle solution to poor programming.

    • @Smikislt
      @Smikislt Před rokem +1

      AI bonuses do not apply to vassals.

    • @pavlostafasani5535
      @pavlostafasani5535 Před rokem

      if we are talking about the same video, he uses favors to install his dynasty on other nations which doesnt work on very hard( I think the option is disabled)

    • @subashira
      @subashira Před rokem

      @@pavlostafasani5535 no it just requires more favours.

    • @stephenbernard3003
      @stephenbernard3003 Před rokem

      What budget monk does is use favours to build trust so your ally doesn’t betray you. He gets those favours by giving out heaps of land to the Allies. Then he cheeses staying at war to get their dynasty on your throne. Then when it’s possible he grabs the PU.
      Edit: because you fed the PU heaps of land you don’t get the AE but ok still get the land in the end

  • @blue291
    @blue291 Před rokem +11

    And on that note, I decided to sub.
    As for Hussite being OP, I agree. The quality modifiers you can build up are great, the manpower is damn handy and frankly, the bright salmon colour is awesome.

    • @pizmak6154
      @pizmak6154 Před rokem +2

      The colour is honestly the best, I always go hussite just because of it. Well, and because I like hussites irl, they fights against all those constant crusades were epic.

    • @danielmacpherson8487
      @danielmacpherson8487 Před rokem +1

      @@pizmak6154 by fights do you mean tossing old catholic missionaries out of windows?

    • @pizmak6154
      @pizmak6154 Před rokem

      @@danielmacpherson8487 That also, but I thought about five antihussite crusades. :) and as a bonus, lovely invasion on teutonic knights

  • @brotheroftheworld2192
    @brotheroftheworld2192 Před rokem +12

    Yeah, they went with France because you accepted their royal marriage offer, and didn't offer one to them. You lose your chance for Burgundian Inheritance if you aren't the one sending the offer. Also, cool video, keep up the good work!

  • @n3vascared501
    @n3vascared501 Před rokem +1

    “It’s like being a mouse and watching two giants fight” lol

  • @Aarlaeoss
    @Aarlaeoss Před rokem +4

    When trying to get burgundian inheritance as Aragon ages ago, I found through save scumming that sometimes when they hate both France and Austria and love you but still will not choose you repeatedly, what often gets them over the line, is calling them into a war against Austria.

  • @pizmak6154
    @pizmak6154 Před rokem +3

    I recently played Madyas->Malay naval game on VH. I hoped for nice and relaxing naval game, but oh I was so wrong. I had to constantly fight much bigger navies then my own, past 1500 all those island states had dozens of heavy ships, and massive coalitions formed after every conquest due to overdeveloped provinces, causing huge naval battles all the time. Eventually I had all archipelago, but no foothold on the continent. Massive Ayutthaya was almost constantly declaring on me for Sumatra but I managed to keep straits blocked. Ming and united Japan constantly harrased my from north, and all of them had huge fleets. It was a pain, but managable. And then, spanish armada came out of nowhere with well over 100 heavies, declared on me, combined its fleet with Thai and wiped out my navy near Singapura allowing everyone to occupy my archipelago. Rage quit, 12/10, will try again one day.

  • @timnimets1021
    @timnimets1021 Před rokem +1

    I played once on very hard by France. It was an ideal game: I've kicked the English out, got the Burgundian Inheritance and tried to become an emperor so I allied Palatinate. And... their ruler died and a succession war between me and Poland that allied Denmark started. They together had ~200k troops when I, together with Castile had ~80. And no, they did not want Palatinate, they wanted me to release all the low countries, money, and palatinate...

  • @piss57
    @piss57 Před rokem +3

    3:30 I suppose some other economic benefit is regiment cost, wich decreases both the upkeep and the cost of regiments

  • @justaride7444
    @justaride7444 Před rokem +6

    Not really, usually people abuse alt+f4 abundantly in the beginning when the illusion of challenge via inflated numbers matter more. Still there's the snowballing phase when nothing poses any real challenge like in every campaign you play efficiently and it's not a big task to get there even on very hard. Just more annoying in the beginning when you have to improve for years to even get an ally. As a tiny nation the numbers really stack up and you might end up not being able to do stuff you'd want in any timely manner because of the inflated stuff, unless you are florryworry. IMO after playing almost 2k hours on very hard going to hard has the best combination of challenge and enjoyment. The game just seems to be in a good place at that difficulty

  • @jamesdalton4915
    @jamesdalton4915 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for the “once you get to 15 dev press this button” I had no idea. You’re the best

  • @sasi5841
    @sasi5841 Před rokem +1

    6:36 historically the the ottomans troops were more quantity, but their quality wasn't that high (barring the janiseries). In the the game the ottomans troops are high quality four some reason. Also the way technology works in-game gives ottomans extra advantages. A Victoria 3 style tech tree and research based on literacy would have been much better.

  • @334outdoors8
    @334outdoors8 Před rokem +3

    Normal mode pushed my stool in hard enough I don’t need very hard in my life

  • @TheEvenBiggerPicture
    @TheEvenBiggerPicture Před rokem +1

    Thanks for the empty-fort- baiting idea. Great playing. I recently did a Galycia-Volhynia run on VH. Released by Lithuania with three provinces, with a good 4-5-6 Ruler, supported independence by Moscow (thanks to Lithuania for changing religion to Catholic, which I eventually converted to Protestant), conquered north towards Prussia. Eventually spaghetti-bordered to the North sea. Picked Innovative-Quality-Economic-Trade-Quantity. Innovative for the innovativeness (full 100% means 10 discount on everything and a discount on tech). Quality for eventual space marines, because I couldn't afford an army anyway. Completed Economic ideas to develop Prussian provinces to change the primary culture to Prussian with development discount. Trade for extra income to support an army. Quantity is irrelevant until later because you can never afford a large army, but manpower recovery matters. Changed primary culture to Prussian. So by 1600 became a great Power with 750 Dev, leaving German lands alone, and took all of Ruthenia and Poland. In the year 1650, my 126k Army is fighting against all odds, surrounded by enemies from all sides. Rivaled by Russia to the east (420k army), Ottomans to the south(1 million army, military Hegemon, almost 3000 dev), Austria HRE Emperor to the west (350k army). I've built a wall of forts, occasionally recruiting generals in order to slack recruitment (being innovative with 10% discount on everything helps a lot). Even with constant stack wipes against enemy forces, manpower is an issue. Barely won the recent wars against the Ottomans. Didn't occupy a single fort of theirs. Just defending. Releasing Moldavia as a Vassal after conquering Poland was very important, they get a 15% fort defense bonus. My next idea set must be defensive for the fort bonus against everyone. Ottomans must have lost a million men at their seafront fort of Akkerman over the three wars. It is the hardest game I've played. Two Bankruptcies. Brutal. Fun. But it ended with an unrecoverable crash. I will be trying to do the same strategy with Zaporizhie.

  • @Matso444
    @Matso444 Před rokem +9

    I play on very hard from time to time. Early game I really like the challenge but later in the game, especially on recent patches, it becomes a bit of torture sometimes. The ai devs every province to 30+ dev so you can barely take anything in wars (until you max out absolutism) and they get 0 ae so they're free to expand without any coalitions. Leading to the ai quickly blobbing and becoming very powerful. What is fun (to me at least) to fight massive wars with them with millions of troops, and diplomacy becomes more important as you usually will need allies to win wars. Also you need a pretty beefy PC to play past 1600 with the amount of numbers in VH lol.

  • @combatpillow2368
    @combatpillow2368 Před rokem +1

    Upping the difficulty mostly extends the game loop. There are going to be challenges far later into the game than on lower difficulties, in part because the AI can compensate for some of its weakness in decision making by virtue of bigger numbers. So they may still build too many cannons or cav, but they still can hold up against a player. Good luck fighting 600k Ming or Ottomans in the 1600s. That is a war you actually have to think about how you want to win it. Playing the game on normal for a long time - eventually - the only challenge past 1600 is going to be how you spend your admin, overextension and maybe AE. On very hard your campaign may still fail depending on the challenge.
    Quarbit may die here due to giving Poland a chance of getting inside the HRE. If he flips Hussite or trys to form Prussia at all that may result in Poland turning on him with an additional 30k troops on top of their very hard bonus. Not getting the BI was a blessing in disguise, because if Poland had asked for the land, there would have hardly been a choice with the risk of France dowing as well. Better ally up in that case, but so can Poland.
    All in all great video, I´d be interested in how it goes on.

  • @luker.6967
    @luker.6967 Před 4 měsíci

    That cold open is so good 😂

  • @xstringis
    @xstringis Před rokem

    That intro got me good ngl

  • @RS-kj3fz
    @RS-kj3fz Před rokem

    I played it for several months and OPMs are often a difficult start, because allies will have a -20 modifier to accepting. I tried Gothic invasion, but 1.Ottomans were too strong and 2. Moscow wouldn't accept any alliance. I did do Milan into Roman Empire, Avaria to Hungary and Tribizond (or whatever) into an empire tho.

  • @ClioAite
    @ClioAite Před rokem +27

    Very Hard is Very Fun! If you're experienced with the game, it's honestly not that much harder!

    • @TOXIC5757
      @TOXIC5757 Před rokem

      No

    • @gregoire6350
      @gregoire6350 Před rokem

      I totally agree I don't play in anything but very hard anymore

  • @DCking14682
    @DCking14682 Před rokem +3

    I’m still gonna be playing this game after EU7 comes out.

    • @baseupp12
      @baseupp12 Před rokem +3

      EU7 will be out 100 years from now

  • @blue291
    @blue291 Před rokem

    Nice intro!

  • @bobistan5080
    @bobistan5080 Před rokem +2

    good vid

  • @user-yl3sf9pk9s
    @user-yl3sf9pk9s Před rokem +1

    Very Hard + Xorme AI = Pain (and a bit of multiplayer experience)

  • @calvinmanzolillo3092
    @calvinmanzolillo3092 Před rokem +1

    MOAR

  • @vukovi6490
    @vukovi6490 Před rokem

    I always play on very hard and if I can get away with it with the Xerome AI mod cause I want to still feel a challenge... And I still snowball and get bored easily towards the late game

  • @electricVGC
    @electricVGC Před rokem

    My first Very Hard run was Hisn Kayfa. Very Hard makes the game slower more than harder.

  • @Coco111s2
    @Coco111s2 Před rokem

    Speedrun rome gonna be super easy next patch with ottomans buff

  • @hoyinching9313
    @hoyinching9313 Před rokem

    I am also not that strong. In the beginning, I am not solo that much.
    I always ask big nations such as France, Poland, or the Ottomans to help

  • @anarchopupgirl
    @anarchopupgirl Před rokem +1

    If the AI knew how OP the -1 corruption was you'd be screwed

    • @devek1001
      @devek1001 Před rokem

      They don't have it anyway. The player modifiers on Very Easy are different from the AI modifiers on Very Hard (though the army, navy, and blobbing modifiers are mostly identical except for VH-AI having +50% Improve Relations while VE-Player has only +10%)

  • @SS5Ghaleon
    @SS5Ghaleon Před rokem +1

    Byzantium Very Hard Campaign!!!
    ...or Granada

  • @eLeft6
    @eLeft6 Před rokem +1

    Try Very Hard on Japan, unite the island and then try and get Korea by fighting both Korea and Ming. One of the most fun campaigns I've had. I managed to get a small part of Korea after 10 years of non stop fighting. The losses were insane considering this was single player.

    • @tamorhaabmets1993
      @tamorhaabmets1993 Před rokem

      I did exactly the same today, just peace out ming via offering to release some nations and 1v1 korea, and later you can easily recapture released nations.

  • @Schwizinberg
    @Schwizinberg Před 11 měsíci

    Hello there, what about this Roman empire speedforming?

  • @petersall1055
    @petersall1055 Před rokem +1

    Sieges win wars, go Inno + Offensive in very Hard

  • @CarnevalCario
    @CarnevalCario Před rokem

    As someone from nothern Germany... nope, thats the east of germany, and some west of poland. northgermany is just schleswig, holstein (nowadays Schleswig-Holstein with Lübeck) Lübeck and Hamburg. the rest wish to be northern but, everything southern the Elbe and eastern the Elbe-Lübeck-Kanal is Balkan

  • @andrewgreenwood9068
    @andrewgreenwood9068 Před rokem +1

    Personally I normally play on hard. It is definitely more challenging early on but the late game is way better with far more consolidation.

  • @bardon1384
    @bardon1384 Před rokem

    Economic boost for very hard AI is cheaper troops,
    -33% regiment costs, that's why they can affor such large armies.

  • @C1azed
    @C1azed Před rokem

    The Anbennar approach:
    "YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN OUT OF ALL THE AI TO DEFEAT THE PLAYER HERE IS ALOTA PLOT ARMOR"
    The vanilla approach:
    Gather around AI lm handing out some free little buffs!
    The best part is they fit there settings!

  • @worldboxvn8214
    @worldboxvn8214 Před rokem +3

    Very hard Difficulty does two different thing actually.
    First,it give AI ridiculous stats (like you said in video)
    Second,Change the Ai of some specific nation. Example,Ming will not explode by themselves in hard Difficulty or very hard Difficulty because the Ai know how to manage Ming crisis (Which make the game much harder for jurchen or south Asia nation). Or the native american will form a bigger federation and stack refrom progress to catching up to technology when you arrive as the colonizer.

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před rokem +3

      also, hard mode disables using favours to request a relative to be their heir. a dumb little change to make PUs harder

    • @worldboxvn8214
      @worldboxvn8214 Před rokem +1

      @@QuarbitGaming Wow,i actually don't know that. Because i don't know how to make PU outside of declare war with restoration of the old tie CB

  • @calvinmanzolillo3092
    @calvinmanzolillo3092 Před rokem +1

    I NEEEED

  • @drchaos2000
    @drchaos2000 Před rokem

    i makes the mid game a lot more fun... but some of the starts are to much pain for my taste. england, portugal, florence... thats all easy enugh to start. but starting something like gotland in very hard is just insane

  • @sahrazad8213
    @sahrazad8213 Před rokem

    "Move on" to Victoria 2

  • @orangesilver8
    @orangesilver8 Před rokem

    There is absolutely no scenario where conquering Neumark is cheaper than buying it.

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před rokem

      if TO has no allies, you can actually get Neumark + full money and war reps

  • @CliffjunglingNagaSiren
    @CliffjunglingNagaSiren Před 9 měsíci

    VH gets easier after the first 50 years as you develop a power base but ramps up SIGNIFICANTLY in the later game, 1Mil troops Ming is very common.

  • @TopHatRat
    @TopHatRat Před rokem

    If anybody is a masochist they should try to form the mongol empire as Ulm with very hard and the chaos mod with nation ruining events turned on

  • @sasi5841
    @sasi5841 Před rokem

    19:00 "I don't think very hard is actually that truly difficult"
    okay then. Now play byz and crush the ottomans in very hard.

  • @dimo9463
    @dimo9463 Před rokem +3

    For me very hard is the way i like playing the game, simply because i enjoy having rivals trought the entire game and not just in the first 100 years.
    If you know what you are doing you can just start as a very small and weak nation and in 150 years you will be in a position where no one can oppose you. You night not be number 1 GP but you will be unstoppable and you can just stop playing at that point.
    While if you play on very hard i feel like that point where you become unstoppable comes way later. Mind you it still will happend but usually around 300 years into the game, depending on your starting nation.
    Also playing a powerful nation like france or england is very boring, but when playing on very hard it's kind of fun.

  • @altrover9930
    @altrover9930 Před rokem

    I play on Xorme AI on level make me cry+very hard. We are not the same

  • @IronWolf123
    @IronWolf123 Před rokem

    Reino de Dios?

  • @m.bennym.7715
    @m.bennym.7715 Před rokem

    Oh... 🤣
    I often watch your videos and thought:
    Fucking damn! He is a genius!
    And now: oh... He played on normal... I didn't noticed that.
    But you're good and strong in my book! 😊
    I normally play on hard.

  • @Roy.Rodger
    @Roy.Rodger Před rokem

    I think he’s trying to say something in the first 30 seconds…

  • @truepeaker150
    @truepeaker150 Před rokem

    Func fact: Your vassals lose vh bonuses, PU's and Tributary's keeps it tho.

  • @amogus948
    @amogus948 Před rokem

    Next step: play Xorme mod on very hard + Make Me Cry
    It will be...fun

  • @eyjafjallajokull1130
    @eyjafjallajokull1130 Před 5 měsíci

    after 5k hours my default is very hard and no allies.

  • @TheKlaun9
    @TheKlaun9 Před rokem

    After 5k hours in a game, I would expect any SP difficulty setting to be easy tbh. Still won't pick it myself, EU4 for me is about relaxation while conquering the world, not an actual challenge. If someone wants that, I recommend starcraft broodwar if there are still some servers left

  • @gordonfreeman3029
    @gordonfreeman3029 Před 9 měsíci

    "all AI nations" so... what if you do a vassal swarm on very hard?

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před 9 měsíci

      I think I try that in this video. they just remove the bonuses for player subjects

  • @12isaac00
    @12isaac00 Před rokem

    Don't mind me just tagging some important stuff for meself
    Institution spawning cost tips 8:00

  • @amilavxilmen5632
    @amilavxilmen5632 Před rokem

    Jokes on you, I've always play on very hard ( I once messed up the settings and never bother to change it )

  • @nicksubong1700
    @nicksubong1700 Před rokem

    Very hard makes some nifty ai borders

  • @Anferes90
    @Anferes90 Před 11 měsíci

    i always play in very hard

  • @jorgeabrahamhernandez1209

    I want Vitoria 2 over Mexico yes

  • @Stephen64138
    @Stephen64138 Před rokem +1

    No matter the game, I never really like playing with settings that gives buffs to the so called A.I. For me, it feels like a cheap and easy way to make it more of a challenge for the player, while not having to work on that so called A.I... Of course I'm calling it that way cause it's not intelligent, it's just a program and not a very good one in the case of EU4. Now, I know that there is a limit of what we can actually do with such programming, but as would Joe said 'Common man...'

  • @tropicalfruit4571
    @tropicalfruit4571 Před rokem

    I've been playing on Hard since like my 10th game in eu4 if not a tad sooner. I noticed that AI's aggression is just pathetic on normal so you can just cheese the system, have enough military to be just strong enough to not make them attack you and you're free. Big boi countries like France wouldn't invade you, so I switched to hard just because of that AI aggression and it has small bonuses for AI which can help them against their general stupidity. Hard is not too hard but if AI smells free real estate they will jump at the opportunity, sometimes they even go for equal wars which I kinda find odd because as a human player I'd rather have more troops when attacking but it catches you off guard.
    Very hard is kind of excessive I'd say. I mean it can be fun, I like the even bigger aggression, you feel like the world is moving, but AI cheats get a bit too ridiculous, especially when I like to play as small shitty countries.

  • @CherriPicking
    @CherriPicking Před rokem +1

    yknow
    i always wonder if the people who view the game as easy realize that having 5,000 hours of experience in the game has something to do with the game feeling easy

    • @RollingCalf
      @RollingCalf Před rokem

      Thing is, after the first initial wars, very hard doesn't matter much.

  • @davidroldan1032
    @davidroldan1032 Před 8 měsíci

    Hey love the vid but i dont really agree with the final conclusion. The real dificulty of very hard is in the mid-late game because great powers expand much faster and the diference between them and you grows super fast so you get to a point where its very normal to have several million casualties in a late game war trying to take 1 or 2 provinces from giga ottomans or giga france etc... You should give it a try and you'll what i mean, its not a complain its just a suggestion

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před 8 měsíci

      Fair point. The AI having less aggressive expansion certainly allows them to consolidate faster, which I didn't get to experience in the early game. I'll give it a fairer try

  • @fuerteva6977
    @fuerteva6977 Před rokem +1

    Day 1 of asking for very hard with Xorme ai on an OPM. These are the settings I like to play on because I have no friends that play this lol.

  • @koltrainz
    @koltrainz Před rokem

    I play on very hard just so that the AI doesn't fall apart in the late game

  • @joshtaylor9626
    @joshtaylor9626 Před rokem

    This is a bruh moment

  • @INDAlake
    @INDAlake Před rokem

    Very hard Rome speedform

  • @IronWolf123
    @IronWolf123 Před rokem

    Play Very Easy as Byzantium

  • @Ethindil
    @Ethindil Před rokem

    Honestly, Very Hard isn't really all that tough. Inside the HRE it's a walk in the park - too many minors to gobble up - and most other areas can be made easy by having good allies.
    The only real challenge you are going to face is the Ottomans, the PLC and France. Every other nation is manageable. Even as a tiny nation you can just cheese fighting strong enemies by currying favours and pulling enough allies into your wars. Basically it's a challenge for a longer time compared to Normal where you can steamroll the world around 1500.
    A WC will be a lot harder though as the AI just develops their provinces like there's no tomorrow. But what do I know, I'm still kind of a noob in EU4 with only 3.5k hrs under my belt :P

  • @djdancer94
    @djdancer94 Před rokem

    If they add 50% tech cost reduction for the AI the player never be able to to get any inno. 🤣

  • @napoleonbuonaparte8975
    @napoleonbuonaparte8975 Před rokem +1

    Wanna have the real hard experience? Turn off all DLC and play as an australian native.

  • @johncohnor9655
    @johncohnor9655 Před rokem

    I would very much like if they removed they aggressive expansion in very hard. It really doesn't make any sense specially with Austria, France, etc just blobbing away unpunished

    • @Stephen64138
      @Stephen64138 Před rokem +1

      Also it's stupid because it wont reflect on the realistic experience they pretend that creates for the player.
      France in the 1600's was a powerful country.
      But they were not the Borg for Christ sake. There was rivals all around, agitation, separatism, money was not printed like that etc... For me the settings on very hard are really a cheap and easy solution for poor programming.

  • @pootmcgoot5458
    @pootmcgoot5458 Před rokem

    hussite prussia is cool

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Před rokem

    Damn uhh...maybe play some HOI4 or Vic3 or something? I dunno.
    You good man? I know that at least part of that opening is probably a joke but uhh...you good man?

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před rokem

      I've nearly run out of "it is what it is"

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 Před rokem

      @@QuarbitGaming Maybe try playing something else on the channel? Just try? Making the same kind of content when it's hammering you like this is not good for your brain

    • @QuarbitGaming
      @QuarbitGaming  Před rokem

      @@samwill7259 I'm working on some ideas for sure, but they won't be ready for at least a month

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 Před rokem

      @@QuarbitGaming I look forward to it!

    • @kristapskrumins5676
      @kristapskrumins5676 Před rokem

      @@QuarbitGaming Oh Jesus, have you talked to someone or is it not as bad as I think it is?

  • @hithere640
    @hithere640 Před rokem +1

    It’s not hard if I cheat

  • @red_latho9038
    @red_latho9038 Před rokem

    very hard mode? more like rethink your life mode…

  • @averymiller2255
    @averymiller2255 Před rokem

    You have 5000 hours on normal difficulty? Bruh.

  •  Před rokem +1

    Very Hard is really bad. It makes early game very hard, but it doesn't do anything to mid/late game.
    They should have done it the other way, by making AI bonus start at 0 but grow as game progresses.

  • @quanchi371
    @quanchi371 Před 11 měsíci

    please play pequot:(

  • @Kisamaism
    @Kisamaism Před rokem

    You need. A break.

  • @CautionCU
    @CautionCU Před rokem

    The main problem with Very Hard difficulty on this game is that the AI's decision making is still just potato. Even against the strongest nations in the game you can outmanuvuer the AI with a little thought and its no comparison to good human players. That said, if you lose a war its going to take all your land and the game is probably over.

  • @francesco8000
    @francesco8000 Před rokem

    If you really want to hurt yourself don't play vanilla on very hard, play Anbennar and choose "Mythical conqueror" instead.
    That is pure pain and misery.

  • @UwU_for_Christ
    @UwU_for_Christ Před rokem

    so the game gets easy at 5,000 hours ... cool, just 3,500 more hours to go then

    • @TilKenneth
      @TilKenneth Před rokem

      It doesnt get "easier" you just spent all those hours remembering stuff you keep forgetting, to the point that you know enough to not ragequit cus . You basically know why, and it's always your own fault, so you morph to never make the same mistakes and like the intro said, too comfortable being comfortable (in other words).

  • @hoyinching9313
    @hoyinching9313 Před rokem +3

    Very Hard is actually fun. I can see why France usually cannot trust Ottomans, simply because of religion.

    • @Stephen64138
      @Stephen64138 Před rokem +1

      Ottomans ally catholic Bohemia or Orthodox Muscovy quite often. And I've seen Kebab allying France once or twice.
      Historically there was a brief period where France tried to build an alliance with the turks to break the 'habsburg encirclement' but it didn't lasted.

    • @hoyinching9313
      @hoyinching9313 Před rokem

      @@Stephen64138 Yes, Suleiman did find France as ally in history, but eventually break up.
      I mean normally without same rivalry, similar army size and interest, players can't ally a big nation with different religion simply

  • @finnobrien5536
    @finnobrien5536 Před rokem

    No it's not, end.

  • @anthonyscott1997
    @anthonyscott1997 Před rokem

    Normal feels like cheating to me.

  • @clayjp1548
    @clayjp1548 Před rokem

    I feel like it isn't hard, just annoying

  • @xlnfraction
    @xlnfraction Před rokem

    It took you 5000 hours to try very hard? lol.

  • @Gustav_Kuriga
    @Gustav_Kuriga Před rokem

    Very Hard probably isn't very hard, just extremely annoying and tedious, draining all the fun from the game.

  • @dragroch5536
    @dragroch5536 Před rokem

    The only complaint i have about that difficulty is that coalitions are basically non-existent on the AI. That aggressive expansion modifier is horseshit.

  • @aleksadjordjevic6353
    @aleksadjordjevic6353 Před rokem

    Serbia is on very hard alredy any nation near the otomans that is ortodox is doomed