I Tested ALL Tanks & Hero Talents in TWW Beta M+
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Quazii reviews the Blood Death Knight, Brewmaster Monk, Guardian Druid, Protection Paladin, Protection Warrior and Vengeance Demon Hunter in The War Within Beta Mythic+
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00:00 The War Within Beta M+ Tank Impressions
1:00 Blood Death Knight
10:07 Brewmaster Monk
18:26 Guardian Druid
23:56 Prot Paladin
30:37 Protection Warrior
36:13 Vengeance Demon Hunter - Hry
Very pumped to watch this! Ive been playing the tanks in beta as well - but with you being able to put in the hours and share - I truly appreciate you and what you do and share
Thank you for sharing your testing and knowledge, mate ❤
18:59 Thanks for noticing my inspiration, SquishVegan but don't forgot his little brother VeganSquish he's doing high keys too Hahaha!
Thanks for the break down Quazii.
incredible video , well thought out and informative
Great video as always!
I think there is a ton of synergy between deathbringer and blood dk that's not getting recognition.
-The increased blood plague hero talent (blood plague deals its damage in half duration) pairs extremely well with the new consumption talent (increases speed blood plague does damage) as well as Umbilicus Eternus (gives shield for all blood plague damage during vamp blood). This gives us MASSIVE (14M+) shields following vamp blood that help in tough pulls. Blood plague is also one of our highest damaging abilities with these talents.
-The passive magic and physical DR from generating and spending runes which stacks up to 10% and has very high uptime in dungeon testing
-The passive physical DR from enemies hit by the reapers mark explosion (5% but still worth mentioning)
-The 30 sec cd reduction on lichborne (giving us a 15% DR on a 90 sec cd)
-The free marrowrend that applies blood plague
The San'layn tree will probably be great in raid, but in mythic+ on BDK the healing of the vamp strikes is simply not enough to sustain you (need to spend globals on death strike instead). Pair that with the minimal defensive value (5% physical DR in death and decay, haste, 5% strength proc, + maybe the extra IBF DR, ) the tree adds and I think the majority of players are better off playing deathbringer. Especially since dks struggle to deal with burst damage and deathbringer gives you better tools to survive.
Great video as ever. One build on colossus warrior. This hero talent is hugely attractive because there is an option to improve ignore pain by a LOT. historically, the stronger ignore pain is the stronger warriors become. This is a huge reason to take colossus.
See i like that...that means both hero specs will be useful
I was hoping for dk to get some love from blizz. Lets hope it stays that way. ❤I like dh too but blood dk was my first and favorite tank
Dope video, i hope the tank balance is really close, closer than it is now. Im between bdk and monk as i like the dps specs if those classes as well as mw monk. Ive been playing vdh nost the this expac but i HATE havoc dps and its been sad
Nice video! Keep them coming! I really don't wanna change my main Prot Pala so hope they buff it up before launch!
This was amazing, thank you!
excellent and informative vid as always!
Hi Quazii, thank you for the detailed video rly liked the overview!
I dont know any beta dungeons, I wonder how the new and old dungeons (which are rotating in in S1) of TWW are? Are there many big pull dungeons as in S4 DF now or smaller ones? If they get big i guess we still need the best control tanks to go ham, so prot pala, dk (silence + Grips) and VDH still be slightly better for grouping than the others no?
Seems to me that Demolish will be more useful for priority damage, but warrior is definitely suffering in the utility department.
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thanks Quazii! looks like Blood DK for me :)
I like the current Demon Hunter Tank Style cause it feels strong and many options how to tank. The Fel Hero Talent Build hears good to improve that style what I like.
After watching blood dk there is no need to go further...
Thank you so much for your consistently incredible content. I always immediately click on your videos when I see them!
i' m thinking of going tank in TWW, prot war or blood DK. Great video thanks!
Prot warrior was amazing and absolute meta in the first DF season, too :D Can't wait to get nerfed again
Been cycling through and maining all kinds of tanks over the years, currently doing Brewmaster as I just love the way it plays now. So think I might just continue with that unless they break it.
That said, the only one I have never mained or really tried at all is Prot Warr, and have currently geared one up. It lacks utility, but my god is it tanky. There is just something safe feeling about not seeing your health budge at all or bounce around. No worry about "shit I gotta manage to heal myself quickly or I'll die" like on the others, you just sit there like a rock, and I kinda like it. Charge is a rather fun ability too.
Maybe I'll give it a go this time around if it stays like that.
I really enjoy the quicker breakdowns and overviews of the discussion. Keep up the great work, and Love the UI...
I agree 100% with your prot paladin assessment. I’m also a prot paladin main. Word of glory healing is a joke
BDK is my main tank as of now i one of the guys that got my dh to like 510-15 and don't like it very clunky went to bdk and had a blast now i made a prot war got it to 505 so far and omg it's so fun the animation's movement dmg survivability and looks even better for theWW so definitely going to alternate between BDK and prot war depending on affixes and etc can't wait for the war within thank for this video !
Give them double Gorfriend's Grasp so they match the utility of a Vengence DH sigil.
Double sigil is pretty much gone
@@smnk064pretty much? It is gone. They need to add decree back into it though.
Did you give feedback on alpha and beta? Special for beta and m+ keys? I mean ingime to blizzard?
so in the first season of an expansion haste levels are relatively low. cant the prot palading still maintain shield uptime if youre playing as templar? from my feeling on live...from time to time i already struggle to keep shield up and i have 36% haste... hearing of templar it just feels like you never have the holy power to cast that ability?
Quazi: things can change. Blizzard: and Double Sigils is gone.
Yea they had to go back on that. Too powerful for too long.
DHS dont need double sigils, thats a bit too much control and has spoiled the dps for 2 seasons where they dont have to even have an interrupt on the bar.
Now we only need the +7 affixes gone forever
it was beyond broken OP, and this is no joke like 90% of all high keys ran with DH, that is the definition of being brokenly OP, it HAD to go and u cant argue against it , everyone knew it was gonna happen.. only a matter of time, no one will miss it either, it was stupid and outrageous and toxic
@@sylvesterpedersen171 wow relax (: did the dh also steal your partner or something
Thank you Sir!
As soon as they make Consecration radiate from your character, instead of being stationary where you cast it, I'm rerolling Prot Paladin.
Quazii releases a video. A few hours later Blizzard releases a beta balance patch. Coincidence? Don't think so
When they changed healing in TWW it also effected the healing of tanks like paladin, shadow priest ect. Basically any class who doesn't have a % based heal based on HP got hit hard by the changes.
Very excited for lightsmith. I am fine with the hero spec not changing the gameplay, there is already so much in the toolbox. And it fits my perception of a support/tanking paladin. Thank you for the feedback !
There has been some datamined changes to illuminated sigils only applying to sigil of flame now. Obviously don't take datamines at face value but it shows blizzard is at least looking at changing vengeance for tww
Awesome video as always! Just a couple things, and I may be way off, but I don't see it in the conversations enough...
Whether or not how good a specific spec might be, I don't see why people don't lock down what they just like to play more. I mean there's always some stigma about what you "should/shouldn't" be playing (I know that's not what this video is about, but it's in the convos every season it seems). Don't get me wrong, a lot of people (actually only 'some') are good at everything they do, and some people just "think" they are, but just because X spec is N% better than another doesn't mean you/they will be. For instance, I love playing my warrior, but let's say pally is better. That doesn't mean I will do better on pally, because I enjoy playing my warrior more, so I will just naturally do better on it that I would my pally. Sometimes the 1-8% difference between one spec to another (if we do put a number on it) is less of a difference than say the 5-10% difference in a "player's proficiency" of that class that person might have. Especially when/if that player is 25% better at another class they're playing. It's all perspective and proficiency. imo. Of course "total throughput/mitigation" will always be a thing. So there will always be a "better" class than another. I'm just saying it's not always THE better class for any given person. But a lot of people miss that when they do tell you you should be playing something else because it's "better".
And the other thing.. isn't helping others part of being a hero? lol
Re: the pally hero talents. Just sayin. 😄
For the average player, you are correct. But the top always dictates the meta. For someone like me with 15 r1 arena titles, 3600io, and lots of HOF CE achievements we can get within 1-3% of min max on any class we play. We will always choose the meta when given an option to.
I suggest for 95% of players to play what they want. Only at the highest level does meta even matter.
@@erick4923 very true, and i wouldn't even be as nice to say average. Even some above average still can't do it. I consider myself, as I get older to be one of those also. Im fine with it, as long as im not bad, lol.
Is it Elvui youre using? I need a better profile and yours look really clean.
yes my entire UI is free - link in description.
Would be interested to see your opinion of the tanks closer to launch given that DH sigils just had there huge sigil change making them more inline with the other tanks in utility.
I'm personally a huge fan of calling san'layn "sun lion".
Also that conversation about havoc being meta because of the positive side of those affixes is hilarious. That affix is adding maybe... 2-3% damage overall, and mostly on mobs that don't matter. if you pull 10 mobs and 4 of the smaller ones die 2% faster, but the biggest mob dies in the exact same time as before, you save zero seconds. I hope they just abandon the rotating element nonsense, but if they don't its probably going to end up irrelivant, unless the gap between the meta and off meta is 2% (hint, if the gap was 2%, there wouldn't be a meta, you'd just play what people are good at.)
Mists is going to fuck up so many people that didn’t play in SL, great dungeon!
I'm surprised you don't pick the buffed Red Thirst because of the synergy with Gift of the San'layn. Of course, this is not a guide, though.
I love that the Video ends with a Holy Priest getting blasted by an obvious mechanic. Always puts a smile on my face.
so which tank would you say uses the least amount of keys to be effective?
37:51 now that double silence and misery sigils are gone do you still feel that demon hunter is a good tank compared to the others?
Since rolling Prot Pal, I’ve never looked back. Prot Warr is fun but has little control
Quazii can u help? i loaded ur WA profile on druid but i cant do it on warlock and evoker its not loaded can u know why?
great video
Warrior and paladin tanking in the first few expansions, Monk since original MoP, I cant see that ever changing
quazii new videoo wooo
Will there be a healer version of this?
Was a VDH main since BFA, this time I really like BM...
I am super hype about san'layn BDK but I hope it will trigger more often. also the blood beast you summon looks just so cool I absolutely can not NOT play it xD
So which tank is the best tank?
I think you misunderstood the Lightsmith Prot Paladin. Giving the armaments to allies gives it to you, too. So it's not just about buffing allies, but also benefits you. So you never have to choose between helping your allies or yourself.
Contemplating between continuing with my prot warrior or go prot paladin
can anyone tell me how much word of glory realy heals now ? like how much % of your hp , cause im realy concerned about the healing nerf if its usless now and have to rely a lot of random healers ?
Nice!👍
FYI gorefiends grasp is talented down to a 90 sec CD, not down to a 1min CD
Gorefiends grip is a talent + 1.5min cd without improved. VDH x2 charges pull in sigil on less than a minute cd, idk what theyre smoking over at blizz. Just remove gorefiend from talents and make it learned by default for all bdks
i rly hope Brewmaster gonna be a great for high M+ keys is the most fun tank for me.
Going Guardian!
Bdk since mop so I'm loving how they are being done. Let's fucking go.
Been playing vengeance for 6 years, gonna continue. It scared me when they added double sigils to us, I was worried that we'd become fotm and we did. Though it was nice to have good changes, we were on a bit of a dry streak for quite some time.
I hope if they end up adjusting us they don't take us out back and shoot us like they sometimes do. All they need to do is make Illuminated sigils not apply to Misery, Silence, Chains and I think we're fine.
Illuminated sigils not applying to misery, silence, and chains is a must. This spec has been way too dominate in M+ because of that. It will knock them down a peg, but it will still be very viable.
I’ve not seen any confirmation that blizzard have drastically reduced the amount of stops in all future m+ dgs in TWW…to me it’s ass backwards,I’ll be happy to keep the OP vdh control until they do that. Fix the dg design philosophy first then the spec
@@Shinn27 It feels about the same as dragonflight in my opinion, which is a problem. It's especially problematic when you consider the affixes looking to buff caster mob damage by a good bit thereby making stops more important.
I agree with not putting the cart before the horse to an extent but if we go down to 1 charge for control there is a better chance that blizzard sees the problem they have created with the onslaught of stops needed. Even though people have already been shouting it high and low for the past year and a half.
@@Rockforce80These stupid new affixes show they still think they know better than the playerbase after all 🤷♂️ anyway call me selfish, I don’t want to go thru a a season where all tanks just feel equally bad if they ever have another dg with 10 azure vault style flowers casting mystic vapors over and over..I’m too old and too busy to keep pushing thru that kinda shit. Feels nice to be OP on one tank for pushing within my skill level, then face rolling 8s on my other lesser tanks
@@Shinn27 The problem is VDH gets to do pulls that no other tanks get to do with that amount of consistency and power. All of that is baked into one role and player that can just negate a pack for half the pull duration.
Try those same VDH pulls with other tanks, and it requires a whole group of people to coordinate CC properly to do that same route and ease of timing keys. Again, that is one person with that much power it is insane. It makes 15s and 16s feel like 10 keys with the right amount of play.
Comparatively, other tanks have to work with the team to coordinate all the stops of the groups and use limited tool sets to group up and stop mobs. Even prot pally, the second best tank of the last two seasons pales in comparison of VDH, and the small amount of play in higher keys proves that.
Why play something like BDK or Prot Pally when I can faceroll win with VDH no matter how bad my group is? This is for the overall health of the game even if they change VDH before their dungeon philosophy.
quazii mate you're a fuckin BEAST brotha
Still funny how blizz and players say a class gets a Total revamp or a big revamp and it's litterly a couple changes here and maybe a few exsisting thing getting a couple % boost or nerfs. Thats changes... not revamps. Back in lich king where DK started out with FROST as tank spec and then i later (dont remember when they changed the blood to tank) Now thats a revamp
gift of the sun lion sounds cool
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Blood dk will always straight up be top tiered pretty much every early expac imo
Mmm, I want to try BDK, but as a previous prot paladin main, I'm worried the large amount of hotkey's might make it overwhelming.
>Me who has mained DH since Legion with no desire to change "mm yes I'll spend time watching this"
Thanks
curious how you feel about vdh now that double sigils has been gutted
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BDK: the problem lies in the yo-yo unstableness of the healthbar and getting one-shot because its a take damage heal up type. Bone shield isnt helping that, I would like to increase the blood shield.
VDH: as long as Blizzard keeps the double sigils they will continue to control mobs in mythic plus, we've all seen the kiting vdh in SL.
double sigils is gone now
Guess we have to start pronouncing San'layn as Sun Lion now. (I'll be playing a Sun Lion Blood DK in TWW)
prot pally feels like can be changed to a 2nd supportive spec. i played prot pally s3 and s4 DF and i wasn't supprised. but the amount of supportive spells made it fun.
brewmaster's mastery is weird and many new tanks dont know how to play around it, that makes it a bigger issue than the spec itself.
When I heal i found both prot pally and bm tanks are the most terrible to heal, esp with as a monk.
VDH just have too many stops and silences, could always be the meta tank
I struggled DFs1 with bear tank, felt like a paper tank to me then i dropped it and rerolled VDH, why not XD
I think i'd try blood DK in TWW, should be fun to play. love the rework, love both Htalents.
Double sigils gone right? only sigil of flame has 2 charge now VDH sux now
well it's going to be a prot war.. even if they are dogshit.. xD just looking forward to nice new dungeons to learn, fail and conquer :D
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We need some Sort of Massgrip or Massilence for Bears too.
1. Paladin has Divine Toll
2. Warrior has silencing Shout
3. Demonhunter Sigil of Silence and Sigil of Chains
4. Deathknights have Massgrip, Floppy Hands and now even Silence on it.
Now theres only Monk and Druid left.
Warrior do not and never have had silencing shout. Disruption Shout, as you refer to, is a 1,25min CD AoE interrupt. That's far below the same power level as a silence, since it requires the caster mobs to actively be casting at the point of use to work. In most uses and practice, it's just a very long CD Incap Roar that works for longer, if it connects. :)
But I agree, given how M+ has shaped into big AoE pulls meta (because of timed content), all tanks should have comparable amounts of utility in forms of viable CC and control of pack placement. And right now, it is BDK, Prot Pala and VDH, and then rest is D tier in terms of utility. And that's neither fair nor exciting to play in practice.
@@madsboandersen5316 Well technically yes but it is some Sort of AoE Silence.
As you said, M+ favors too much into "Who has enough Utility" or "Who does the most damage so it can carry utility Players".
Since Legion im asking for a Tank with BL(give it to Warrior) and as it looks right now why not giving more Utility to Tanks?
I mean, why tf doesnt a Tank with Lust exist?
As my Request:
1. Change Warriors Tauntshout to have it baseline aoe interrupt and 5sec Silence. Also reduce its cooldown to 1 Minute. Also give Warrior some Sort of Lust(Name ex: Banner of Fury).
2. Give Druid a Massgrip but only its Tankspecc(Name ex: Roots of Dread). Also give Druid Baseline Lust(Name ex: Natures Wrath).
3. Give Brewmasters Jadewind Slience but in an 3 second Intervall and on a 1 Minute cooldown. Give Ring of Peace 2 Charges.
Now onto the Healers:
Change all Healers dispell to be able to dispell everything. Its kinda insane as it still isnt in the Game.
No more homogenization in WoW please.... druids are walking brick walls.
Issue with cat weaving I’ve said this many times it’s only good for off tanking. Either cat weaving or moonlit weaving. If your taunt swapping. As you gain 500% increase threat in bear form. Unless they change that or add it doesn’t seem to be retaining your threat increase when you swap to cat for those 6 seconds. I’ve tested multiple pills doing this and never once have I lost Agro in bear yet even in those 6 seconds it’s easy for a good dps which higher keys everyone is good dps.. to rip Agro from you in those 6 seconds. It’s a cool talent for sure but I don’t see it being a thing honestly.
Yeah they have to add an Aura that makes sure the State of threat also doesnt change for 8 Seconds(ofc someone can still taunt).
Yea after the VDH sigil nerfs and no compensation buffs, I m not really interested in season 1. Hope TWW will be on sale by the time season 2 comes out.
Blood Dk need to get Horseman vs Death Bringer.
With all the new killer tank affixes I'll prob just raid and pvp :(
Sad to see M+ going down like this.
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Where are the Brewmaster mains ❤ ? I will play brewmaster in tww
I think the pal hero specs suffer from fantasy redunancy. Templer I think more so. It's essentially "What if Paladin was Paladin?"
Note for Blood DK:
During testing, Bone Storm and Bone Consumption do not interact with the Bone talent. This might be a bug.
Additionally, the San'layn hero talent makes your gameplay very degenerate. It turns your Vampiric Blood into a DPS cooldown, which is annoying. It also makes you use only Vampiric Strike during Vampiric Blood, despite overcapping on Runic Power
I couldn’t log into the beta even with everything updated kept saying world server down 😢
Brewmaster lesgoo
Deathbringer is shitting on sanlayn in the beta>>>?
Cant we test m+ dung. anymore?
prot paladin needs giga rework, i thinnk all they added currently is button bloat
Which tank do you think does the most ST and AoE damage separately ? Which one does good at both?
Im really, really not sure about what to play so maybe you Guys can help me out!
1. I played Guardian Druid most of the Time but i dont want to continue with it
2. I would love to play Blood Dk but we already got one. Even tho it would be okay going for 2 Bdk in the Raid i dont really like it.
3. I dont like how squishy Paladin is in the Raid. Maybe if they tune WoG better.
4. Monk isnt really something for me.
5. Warrior is hit or miss. Dont like its missing Utility.
6. Vdh is missing its double Sigil and im not a fan of kiting all the time.
Sounds like u should just not tank anymore
They removed double sigils now 😢
I played all tanks every class is unique in it own way.
DH being able to survive a large pull is immaterial. Think back to Shadowlands season 1. If they can't survive then they'll just snag aggro and then have massive kiting utility.
I tried Bear hero talents on Beta and thought they both were dull and boring and the fact that blizz continues to give us 5 to 7 multiple 2-3 node talents is just stupid. There is nothing exciting about bear at the moment for war within
PALADiN!!!!