Hero Talents RANKED: The Winners & Losers of War Within Alpha
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00:00 Intro & Highlights
01:40 The Biggest WInner
03:55 The Biggest Loser
04:30 The Winners
09:15 The Losers
12:15 What's Next - Hry
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not really have yeah ever done LFR =P
Oui!
Sunfury is literally "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" and that is the Fire Mage fantasy, and with the new changes that fantasy is going to be even better.
so you're saying sunfury is Pyro from TF?
'SSS+ Dante must DIE' levels of perfect for Fire but 'Eh... Ok?' for Arcane
you're sounding a little destro tbh im a concern
@@gymonstarfunkle136 Nah, warlocks are more depressed and lethargic in their chaos
To anyone new to the alpha, remember not all of the hero talents are even up for testing yet.
shaman ele here still waiiiiitinnng xD
@@cotomyzer storm caller is going to be EPIC I know it.
it’s so hard to sit and wait, not enough people are posting about the talents for different classes.
Warrior...still waiting (and will be surprise if it is good).
@@Amplifymagic gonna be honest i doubt it will with recent trends from blizzard they seem to give 0 shits about shaman especially Ele but i hope im wrong i wanna play ele again.
Mages must be so happy they can finally have Kael'Thas' balls flying around their heads doing magic things!
they also have Kael's gravity lapse.
😂😂😂😂 why would you say it like this
@@Factual_Truth he literally said it like that in the video lol. I am quoting
Yeah they Will get the balls over their face, just the way they like It.
Been waiting for a video like this! Really good, and for showing the visuals.
RIP that bunny who got voidrekt.
"Worst is pack leader". I play Beast Mastery since TBC and I am so tired of people saying the lamest thing is the beast master thing. I mean, I'm not tired of the people. I'm tired of it always being true. Just... why, Blizz? Why?
Just because you have mained it for a long time it doesn't mean you should stick with it when it's not fun to play. I used to main a Hunter for over a decade but ditched it in BFA when it became horrible. Best decision I ever made. The design limitations Hunter has do not exist with Warlock or Mage. They will always provide more variety between specs and more tools at your disposal.
@@radoslav2913 It's not hard to innovate hunter designs. they could have easily gone the "Spirit Tamer" route and had spirit beasts boost the strength of your pets with spiritual armaments.
@@VesonoYTit is kinda hard tbh, BM hunter already suons 3-4 pets, even more with current tier. Their class fantasy is already one of the strongest in the game, on par with druid.
Maybe just give them like sylvanas whole move set. Let them do a leaping rapid fire or something. But truth be told, they're hard to innovate on because they're already giga. You can literally have tindrals flight form as a pet, like I need to kill mythic fyrakk to have even a chance to get that for my druid.
@vanyel_etc8695 sylvannas fantasy should be sv/mm dark ranger...
BM should feel more like that nathria boss but mobile.. where you give your beasts more commands than just kill command so they can do cool stuff.
Honestly all hunters just need a rework
Summon a huge beast , jump on its back for 30 seconds , get a new set of op abilities. Class fantasy done . Yw blizzard.
This was a great video thanks belllular and everyone!
As a hunter main I hope they retool Pack Leader and maybe take another look at Sentinel. I'm a night elf, but an orc or even a dwarf sentinel makes no damn sense.
I'd figure with how often orcs came up against nelf sentinels, they'd come up with a version of their own.
@@MSinistraricope
Yep that’s the double edged sword of locking in the hero class fantasy with established race based heroes.
Some are iconic, some are unimaginable with WoW’s combos.
Nah they dont, bliz dont care about hunter
I main Bm and this is just a remaster of the old stampede ability super lazy on blizzard's end but what else is new.
OK I AM re-rolling for the Templar Paladin.
Loved the video! Does a great job quickly showcasing the upcoming stuff in TWW! So pumped for Druid of the claw!!!!! Thank you🙌🏼
Sentinel and Dark Ranger both have a race specific fantasy
Yeah one race based hero class is not a problem, but 2/3? That’s pushing it for the rest of the non elves.
yeah they could do a sniper class but noooo night elves ftw ffs
@@Titanofagiano isn’t MM already a sniper class?
@@DeeFourCee not much if the set makes you a machine gun like now. there's no range spells (based on range or that boost it. no headshot vibes ... just archer vibe
@@Titanofagiano But then you would have the same issue
With hunters who would not really use guns
as an orc hunter I noticed that sentinel and dark ranger are waay too elf focused and I had no hope from them from the start. Sad to see I was right at this stage.
lol, rogues got a 8 second segment for our only posted tree, that tells you where we are.
Shamans didnt even get a rank despite farseer being out. And looking at it i don't blame them. Not sure if Farseer is on the alpha yet although its tree was released?
@@hairyrichard6112 it's on alpha
@@hairyrichard6112it is, it just suck for elem, farseer is clearly designed only for resto
Perhaps an interesting design direction to explore a bit further down the road:
What if they can give each class a few options of specialisation in an elaborated hero talent framework whereby depending on your option your character will scale better with different secondary stats. Like Rider of the Apocalypse has more boundary characteristics attached to it that make it scale better with haste. Deathbringer Crit, San' layn Vers. That way you can kind of tweak spec depending on what gear you have available but also on some fights you are stuck on. Or simply opt for the stat you like the most, instead of being stuck on predetermined bis stats to mindlessly be dependent on that makes it an element close to not existing in terms of self determination in its current state. It would also make more group comps viable. If you have for example a fight that you are stuck on because your healer is a bit under geared or simply needs ramp up time and one of your other group members you like to play with otherwise is simply a bit squishy as a class, everyone else could switch their hero spec to versatility so that incoming damage is less across the board so you compensate for the healers time requirement. If you want a quicker run instead you all make strategic choices as a collective that makes sense accordingly. Gives a way to tackle challenges in different ways within a group, rather than that decision making only being possible during the group selection process. It has plenty of other advantages too, and probably some issues as well.
8:32 "You see his balls floating round his head..." Awesome.
I am hoping they fix Shado-pan before release. It's too cool not to give us better and flashier abilities, but then again a monk need not be flashy.
especially a shado-pan which is kinda like a ninja. they could give you some stealthy stuff maybe.
Still waiting on my Enhancement hero talents but since we haven't seen them yet , i have decided that we are getting a rework ! Know i am reaching for the stars but it's living rent free in my head for weeks now.
I mean cmon... it was to be expected that Hunters get the short end of the stick again...
Yeah, but the thing is, hunters haven't really changed hardly at all since Wrath. It's a class which is pretty much solid, if not perfect, just as is, aside from that third spec no one plays. Every time they change hunters, even a little, it causes massive outcry from the community for either being WAY underpowered or WAY WAY overpowered.
the moment blizz gives something flashy to hunters, they will use it to best of their abilities to ruin dungeon/raid groups. just look at barrage.
@ddenozor I've never understood why blizz keeps Barrage in the game. It's ridiculous to give any class an ability that not only can aggro the entire dungeon, but it's very hard not to.
The only use it has is those hunter/druid Chinese farmer groups that keep people from killing quest mobs.
@@xaulted1 nah, hunter as a class evolved till mop, then has devolved ever since. It's terrible, that the further back you go in time, the better designed the hunter specs become^^
As a feral main I’m excited for these hero talents
Simply put with these hunter hero talents "bore fest pack leader" and "disappointing dark ranger" they have turned the most popular class to the least popular.
They need to break out of the "hunters are not casters" idea and give Hunters cooler stuff. They just don't put any effort whatsoever and it's quite sad.
@@radoslav2913 well hunter has not had a dev in years at this point, blizz completly gave up on it.
And even when it had a dev, it felt like the dev hated to work on the class.
Blizz has a streak, of thinking of hunter like the unwanted child that was a mistake, and never realy bothered trying to fix it
I’ve never been more excited to make a death knight but my god! The mage looked insane and shadowpriest caught my attention for sure. Never played priest ever but now might be my time to do so lol
Hunter bros...we suck ass...
I've been playing since '04 i can count the number of times, on one hand, hunters have felt powerful. Most of the time we feel like an after thought.
I don't think anyone at blizz actually plays hunters. It is always a half baked compared to even the other ignored specs.
Last time I enjoyed hunter was in SL. Aimed shot procs in pvp were very enjoyable. But after that they came back to making boring beast master the bis spec...
Needs a massive overhaul
nope, we do not suck, the devs suck
love how they updated the graphics and effects though, makes it pop and seem more interesting and pop
Did you test both sides of the talent trees? Gameplay looked like it was only the frost side of frost fire, etc.
See i was a shaman, paladin and DK since forever in this game but the powerfantasy of a firemage setting the world ablaze in absolute elegant fashion of a smart mage is just chefs kiss
Damn, as someone who plays all classes but mains BM Hunter I feel left out. But idc, more beasts flying at my enemies is fine with me.
Sentinel would have been made a great fantasy for multiple races by making it about bouncing glaves (troll shadowhunter/sentinel) or mounted combat (priestess of moon/sentinel/warsong/thunderlord/wildhammer/goblinalchemist/the alliance outriders/rangari on elekks/kodo caravaneers/troll bloodraptor tamers/dragonhawk riders/frostwolves/SKYWATCH)
mounted combat is a no-brainer so many class fantasies can be made out of just mounted ranged combat and melee combat
the fact that this spec is between marksman and survival really makes this a no-brainer
The only reason I can think they didnt do this is they were afraid of making mounted ranged animations or having hunters rove around with shotguns would be so metal itd make every class in the game look bad
Im so mad about this actually.
As an evoker seeing both Flameshaper and Scalecommander put in a c tier and classified as part of "the losers" is just mind boggling. I am very excited for both, they are very good starting points for iteration throughout alpha and beta. Even if there wasn't much changed they would still be good, guess it just goes to show how subjective these things can be and why you shouldn't put 100% of your decision making behind just a single tier list or opinion.
I think you misunderstood. He was complimenting scalecommander before naming flameshaper as C tier. His beginning of the video spreadsheet shows that he ranked SC as A tier.
@@Pwnyrideable perhaps, I thought I heard him say scalecommander during the video but maybe he misspoke? Still flameshaper being c tier is wild to me
I don't suppose there's any chance we'd get to have a look or a copy of the full table from 2:30? I'd be very interested to see what the notes on Voidcaller and the warlock Hero Talents are like.
Honestly as someone who's never played Warrior, Mountain Thane has me REALLY excited to pick it up.. The Class Fantasy of being a WC3 Mountain King Zappy-Boi! 👌
I've been checking every day for updates since two of the classes I play, Rogue, Shaman, don't have all of theirs on the alpha yet. I'm pretty excited about Diabolist as a Destro player, Hellcaller might be ok too with instant immolate/wither but doesn't have the same Wow factor.
Big sweating Shamans bro. We got a Primordial Wave tree (totally disengaging from class fantasy) and our updates so far have been "Totemic will be about totems and Stormbringer will be about lightning" 😂 God help us
I'm huffing the hopium for Stormbringer, I do miss the lightning over flinging lavabursts. If not I guess I'll have to spend some quality time with the grandparents lol
@@vilgus7484lmao
is primordial wave still shadow damage and not elemental damage?
Okay glad I’m not the only one who thinks primordial wave is stupid 🤣
@@ddenozor I'd love to tell ya man, but I haven't used it not once in DF lol. I really don't need multi target for mid level PvP
I haven't been paying attention for several months. Will heroic talents work in pvp or warmode? Seems like they might be crazy hard to balance.
Sweet thank you for this...I really miss being a mage..I'm a destro warlock now .and I really I'm interested in trying a shadow priest
I'm glad you specified you only rated them based on class fantasy because if you rated classes based on how functional they are, especially compared to other classes, priest would be at the bottom of a damn barrel.
But hey, who cares about how well a class works and plays when we get pretty new swirlies.
Yeah that’s why priest are pushing the highest keys. Tf
@@Vico992 Note I didn't say if they where viable, I said how they function, IE how they play their class mechanics, etc. Priests are still stuck in freaking TBC mean while every other class is going around with modern kits tons of mobility, interrupts, CC, streamlined rotations, etc etc.
The issue isn't "does the class work" the issue is "why does the class function with all of the fluidity of an ant pushing a brick across the dessert."
Man I cannot wait to try out voidweaver as a longtime shadow priest main. Looks sick
No link to the spreadsheet???
Completely agree with the take on Shado-Pan: It's "Safe", meaning it works yeah, but it's mostly just a system working in the background on a set trigger. That is ultimately what makes it boring and unnoticeable, if not possibly placeholder considering the Monk reworks, as every talent focuses on stats therefore catering to this overarching system, and doesn't offer much in gameplay variation or animation currently. The talent names at least lend themselves to the Shado-Pan, but the talents themselves are uninspired from the stuff you seen ingame with MoP storyline or in the Vol'jin book just isn't there; needs more Fire/Lightning/Wind/Sha/Shadow/Ninja-esque components. Mountain Thane, a similar Hero Talent in providing a new passive effect with "Lightning Strikes", is arguably just better in general - "Lightning Strikes" happens more frequently and can be proc'd via abilities unlike Shado-Pan's "Flurry Strikes", Mountain Thane changes Thunder Claps functionality completely as well as providing an essentially empowered Thunder Clap sometimes, and most importantly you FEEL like a champion of Odyn (again).
I guess I'm the only mage who is excited for Spellslinger instead
I'm hyped for that too
I feel that, as an evoker main excited for Flameshaper.
yeah fire and frost don't interest me haha
"what are you doing in my city spellchucker?"
I'd be more hyped for Shitslinger
Do you guys share your spreadsheets with the info?
So we lasted one expansion before going back to temporary power.
Will there be a video on the talents of the heallers? I'd like to hear how good Oracle and the Archon Priest
I'm most excited for lightsmith personally. I really enjoyed off healing as prot paladin in DF. To have even more support and buffs for my allies is really exciting.
Blizzard keeps dropping the ball with Hunters. Cmon! Blizz!
For demon hunter Fel scarred as far as abilities is what I wanted. Passives that help meta. I just hope it has cool effects to really push it for me. I think it is still one of the ones not finished on alpha as far as effects.
Still no video about the CATAstrophic pre-patch ? Did Blizzard put an official statement on it ? I would love one of your videos covering it. Thanks a lot, keep doing your stuff, it's really great man.
are hero talents enabled in arena/bg?
I love how the new void abilities resemble the night fae covenant abilities from Shadowlands
The sponsor is the most Irish product placement I've ever seen.
suprised you didn’t cover the other monk hero talents, looks fun
that means they are okay
As a Dark iron fire mage main, i'll mix in frost magic when I'm dead.
I main a shadowpriest so thats great news, but I am also curious about Hunter Dark ranger spec, I hope its good
I’m stuck between wanting to play Voidweaver or Frostfire. Both look like so much fun
Does the rider of apocalypse deaths advance replacement still make you ignore lush backs and stuff ?
yes
What is that horse the DK is on? I thought it said you can only use it while on your Deathcharger. Do they give you a NEW Deathcharger, or did they change it?
As of alpha it's the mount that gets summoned when talented into RotA.
@@RyanofAndor Ah, ok.
The mount is from Torghast in Shadowlands
@@krucible9369 Yes it is. If you summon your Deathcharger while talented into On A Paler Horse it is summoning the Torghast mount instead. Not sure if it's a bug or intended.
I'm pretty excited. All the winners so far are my main and three alts lol (lock main, play all the rest a lot outside of paladin and druid)
Which is better though shadow or disc void weaver now that's a question
Guess I’m gonna go level my DK, Warlock, and Druid.
A link to the spreadsheet would be dope. Or even a digital layout that's easy to share.
I read that they were still doing some work on soul harvester warlock. My hope is they add some dope visuals to the otherwise visually barren spec
okay but where is warrior at all in this video?
He was just covering winners and losers. Not the in betweens. He addressed it at the end of the video
We're almost always losers or mid. Get used to it.
@@Silphagewe get nothing good we get nothing bad. We get nothing if were honest. But hey they give us back talents that were baseline before. So again. We get nothing.
Who cares? Most warriors rerolled paladins already, I will too in War Within.
@vondry87 I'd rather not be the 5th paladin in our 15 person raid team.
I'm a bit mixed about scalecommander. I love the initial talent but the focus on the deep breath is not my thing especially when it takes a lot of time to cast but once cast you have very little time to strafe your deep breath.
If i can get a glyph to use the mount i want for rider of the apocalypse i would make my DK my main in a instant and never look back because nothing would be cooler than driving a motorcycle and living my ghostrider fantasy.
The expac looks interesting compared to the previous ones and as I love my Shadowpriest, getting some cool stuff like this would be even better. At the end we still have to see how everything plays out at the end and that we won't have an endless buffing and nerving of talents post release ahead of us.
Still have to see if I'll give it a try after skipping Shadowlands and Dragon Isles.
My mage would also be happy. Love when lots of stuff procs.
The Hunter one is disappointing but maybe it's time to go back to MM, even though I enjoyed SV.
I was literally dreaming about being an undead on an undead horse.
I think we're going back to DK baby!
The Mountain of muscle and scars talent for colossus warrior is just S tier.
I just really hope Enhancement shamen is awesome veen playing it since leigon and we have had some ups and downs and i really want it to feel and look amazing
Do a shot of whiskey every time Bellular moves is head.
so excited to play a horseman dk in tww
Do you think we'll get an option to not use "hero" talents?
Other than Slayer, I don't feel like using any of them.
Я все жу надеюсь, что уйдя на друида кошку с охотника(которым проиграл почти 10 лет) будет хорошим решением, так как всега питал страть к друидом :)
Sooo excited for these next few years of wow
As a longtime warlock player, I feel Diabolist shares the same critique you have for packleader hunters. Its just more Demonology warlock. just flashy
I'll still probs play windwalker monk, it's not like I'm a cutting edge raider where it's better to play a flavour of the month class and spec. But will probs give a couple classes a go
Was hoping to see something about Dark Ranger but oh well.
should make a video that focus on tanks, healers, melee and ranged dps.
DK's Vampires are reported to be really cool. And the last one too.
Once again, Warlocks stay winning
You mentioned how Sentinel is super race-focused but not for Sunfury? I personally don't want my Arcane Mage looking like a Blood Elf Fire Mage.
Oh boy is it a good feeling for me to be maining mage and secondary is a shadow priest. Getting excited
3/4 classes I play got awesome hero talents. Paladin, DK, and SPriest. 4th is DH but they're just alright
Hero talents should be something that actually changes the class substantially but sadly seems just like more talents
came straight from wotlk, then i see that dk can fight on a mount... my god i know what do i main now on retail
Man the good Hero Talents look REALLLLLLY good.
the winners are winners for sure. But tbh I really just wanted new colors and attack effects.
for guardian druids waving around at least on m+ would still get wrecked to the next life if you swap off bear form to cat.
Not necessarily. Druid of the claw keeps 80% of all armor and hp of bear, as well as keeps all iron fur stacks, and regens when changing to cat.
Atleast during incarn, where you have infinite fur stacks, you'd definitely still be unkillable as a cat
I'll just patiently wait in my corner for the shaman talents to come out
I'm curious to see what spellslinger's visuals will look like
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I was kinda hoping flameshaper would add a bit of red to my green pres spells and blue dev spells
Welp. So long, Survival, it's been real. Back to Spriest I go!
DK get’s S, that’s all i needed to hear thanks! Bb 🤘🏻
Sunfury MAGE ! I am back baby! :D
Using Mage as an example: What if I play Frost, and want to play Frost, because I don't like Fire or Arcane mechanically OR thematically? What if I was already happy with my class / subclass fantasy?
I get that they're trying to emulate popular characters, give players something new, etc... but it kinda messes with the people who JUST wanna be a Frost Mage, y'know? Not sure if I'm into it , personally. But I know a lot of people are gonna be happy with it :)
Rogue trickster should allow the rogue to taunt one attack that hits the rogues after effect that deals damage to the mob and all enemies around it.
Well I love how survivals always in the bottom of attention. Just the best feeling ever when your main sucks.
Rogues right at the bottom, with the reveal of Fatebound they dropped even lower