Rejection for Tech Professionals
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2015
- You always hear that you'll only get one, "Yes" for every hundred people you try to sell to. People focus on success, but generally avoid talking about the rejection. For every success you'll get ninety nine rejections that will range from simple dismissal to downright cruel. As a tech professional you have to be able to take rejection without making it personal, and be able to learn from the experience.
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I applied to around 300 jobs and was averaging about 1-2 interviews (phone) a week. After a few months, I found my dream career.
How has it been up to now? Must be amazing
Man, good you've brought up this topic. So many people have to deal with this. I call this also "the impostor syndrome". Good points. A lot of programmers will identify with it
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Eli the Computer Guy Knock, knock, knock on employers doooors!
Knock, knock, knock on employers dooors! oooh yeah yeah yeah yeah!
Knock, knock, knock on employers doooors!
That's how Axl Rose got a job in the industry music, FACT! Hahaha, I'm so cute... :v
Love your videos ELi, you're the brutally pragmatic mentor a perfectionist like me always wished for, seriously.
Eli the Computer Guy Hey Eli, I'm currently reading a book called Scot Mueller's 16th edition of Upgrading and Repairing Pcs. This book was published in 2006, and I'm wondering if I should even bother finishing it. (only about a tenth of the way done) Finally, I noticed that you had about 10-15 books behind you in some of your videos, can you suggest some Titles?
Eli the Computer Guy
No truer words spoken Eli: "You can not fail, you can only give up"
hackingmongoose no... don't read anything older than 3 years...
QUESTION: Hello Eli...hope you have a good time on the road ;) I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about future of Network Engineers. I heard you saying that with SDN there will be less opened network positions and I kind of disagree with that. So If you could mention this topic in some of your videos I would really appreciate it. Thanks from Europe
The deer shows up at 25:43 of the video
"Around here we don't look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things, because we're curious...and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths."
-Walt Disney
This one stung. Ego is an f--king drug.
Oddly thankful. Great vids man.
Still the best free advise on the internet. Thank you Eli. However every time I head the cricket in the background I looked around @ my computer to see which fan was about to die...
Eli, Thank you for posting this video! It's easy to fall into the trap and make it personal. You helped me refocus! I appreciate your bluntness and honesty! Don't change!!!!
you the man...ive watched alot of your vids..honeslty i didnt like you at first..but after many hours of watching you,you grew on me..now i think your borderline genius..i live in los angeles.. i have a couple certs..you are blunt but honest i can see..this video i related too the most..i want to thank you for giving the motivation to make some changes...yes this is really my passion.however as you know this is the most competitive market alive ..screw those media assholes that screwed you over..but your a smart guy and will succeed i know this..thanks again my youtube friend..i felt like you were talking to me personally.
That last part about deciding who you want to deal with, I refer to that as the client you cannot afford to have. Great video.
27:49 not only that, but when they get fixated on this thing (I have no idea what you're talking about here) they associate it with being very difficult if they're not getting what they want.
That then moves on with them to other things and makes them less willing to want to try other things.
Eli, first thanks again for the meetup in Wheat Ridge, CO. I must admit this video in particular really got me thinking about my new IT consulting business. I am in the process of getting general liability insurance but I appreciated what you said about rejection and how to handle it and especially in my case, with owning my own business. By the way, the video about punctuality was really good because this drives me insane as well and I get sick and damn tired of people who don't respect other people's time (my time in particular). Way to call it!
You seemed a lot more down to earth and like a nice person in this video. Thanks for the advice.
Thank you Eli. This is *exactly* what I needed right now. I agree with every single point you mentioned. Absolutely great video accompanied by the perfect natural backdrop.
What work you do now?
30:28 it's not stupid. It's commonsense. It's a mindset. It's having evidence for that as being the normal thing to do.
That's how I am because of what I decided to believe in from the school I went to.
That's what many other people do and this can be seen on one of the videos that I commented on when someone was like "PERSONAL."
One of the best Video so far from Eli..Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Thank you for the encouraging discussion!
Wow, best vid yet--spot on for sure......Thanks!
this isn't elithecomputerguy this is elithelifecoach! lol love your videos
You're channel is such a wealth of information. Thank you so much for sharing your passion and knowledge.
I understand where Eli is coming from but for one, rejection is one thing, not at least sending out a message to a person you INTERVIEWED, is another thing. It is simply rude and inconsiderate. A person takes time out of his or her life to do an interview. This person will never get that time back; it is gone forever. Giving the person a simple heads up at least allows the person some closure and the wherewithal to move on.
Second, if your car is about to be repossessed, your rent is overdue and the other bills are mounting, rejection does become personal. Many of us cannot afford being rejected a thousand times; we have families to support and bills to pay. Being one step away from becoming a beggar or becoming one is quite personal.
Lastly, as alluded to by Eli himself, competing with dozens if not hundreds of others for a job tends to foster an atmosphere filled with tension and apprehension. While the systems hails this as the best of all worlds, in actuality it is a world that benefits the few and moreover, combined with the gamut of other social pressures and fissures (i.e. corrupt institutions, a two-party duopoly, cultural decay, non-nonsensical media and so on) this 'me first and let the devil take the hindmost mindset' is a key factor in the growing levels of alienation and anomie amongst the population. Some of whom, with disturbing regularity, lash out with deadly effects.
There's gotta be a better way to live.
Sound advice; wish I'd heard it years ago Thanks Eli!
Great topic. It's part of life and we ALL have to go through it in our personal and business lives. And I love the beginning part about giving up. In general, people give up wayyyy to easy on everything. Like you said, you have to keep pushing forward.
Thank you again for the advice. I seem to hit a wall in my current help desk position. I keep getting interviews for a lead position, but not getting the position. I am going to use some of your advice to see why I am not getting the job, and think about applying else where at the same time so I can keep moving ahead. However slowly it may feel to myself. lol Thanks again. I enjoy your thoughts of wisdom, or lessons learned as it was.
Thanks bro, I was getting down about a network admin position I didn't get recently. Back to the grind
what work do you do now?
Thanks Eli your the best!!!!
This is really helpful, thanks Eli! :)
Appreciate your advice eli, have you thought about video calls for the people that cant get to your silicon adventure?
thank you eli you are so wise :-). Learn a lot from your videos
Thanks.
Great advice
Man this is good advice!
"build it and they will come".
Hi Eli, I mostly love all your teachings, I have watched and listened to most of them. I can honestly say that I have learnt a lot. Those crickets are driving me nuts though...
im not even in college. i was already working at one tech shop, but got fired because i was late always being at my gfs house. wat do now?
Fantastic video.
4 people from LA were watching this.
The advice in this vid, leaves us with alot to think about. Thanks.👍
2:57 Creepy bug behind Eli.😲
Just wondering how long you can talk-talk-talk non-stop without getting tired?
hi eli, i am loving your video's as late, my question is about linuxcnc gui screens, please you please point me in the right way how to learn how to write new gui screens, the reason is i am try to learn but the linux world seams like "go read about it " why cant people said i read it and this is wot to do ????? thanks for your time, Daniel
the worst for me is applying for a job and then getting no reply at all no rejection nothing it just leaves me thinking was there any point in applying? because i was just looking for a summer job before returning to university but it still bugs me
Eli, love the vids! That is either a very large bench, or you are a very small guy!!!!!
Eli, a video on how to win new customers would be really great. Others will certainly appreciate that as well.
Real Recognize Real. You da truth.
Yup, the last time I got rejected, I actually asked the HR guy what I need to do to get better at this. He was seriously surprised, I was the first in his long career that had ever asked this after a rejection.
It's business, never personal. How can it? The guy doesn't know you safe what you put in that resume.
Im not even thinking of getting into computers, as you can tell from my comment, but i really like your personality , you offer good advice overall . P.S , They didn't like my face.
Add I love your videos man ! Out door nature, didnt they see your other videos behind a desk ? smh You should have your own company then you can call the shots. So when you going to release a Ebook ; rejection , chapter ?
tidbit of insight
Just knowing basic IT and computing makes you valuable to a sea of people who use /need computer but don't know how to use and troubleshoot them. I've spent the summer working with an electrician fixing simple things around peoples homes and what i've see are homeowner who see electricity as magic. They will hand you ridiculous amounts of money to do very simple repairs because to them its not simple at all.
You look good with the beard man.
Paperwork in the woods, LOL Nice location for a video Eli
Hi Eli,
A friend of mine lost her Admin credentials for her website.
The page is several years old and she says the web developer dose not have them anymore.
Is there anything I could do to help her recover them so she may change the layout and edite the page?
Thanks in advance,
~Neo
Thanks for good advice. I am currently in a rut, I'm steadily studying for certs to make myself more marketable. I am in the process of maxing out my credit cards by taking courses and the cert exams. With that in mind, THANK YOU for posting your IT knowledge for free.
FYI; in the last year, I have had 60+ first interviews, about 30 2nd interviews, and 10 3rd interview but...
I feel the frustration but too stubborn to quit.
P.S. Some employers don't even take your call when trying to follow up on an interview.
P.P.S. The real assholes are the employment agencies that say that they are on your side but never call back after they take your personal information, also never responding to emails or calls.
I don't take rejection harshly at all anymore. If you don't even get into an interview, modify your CV and your letter to the company. If you make it to the interview then often getting hired is circumstantial: You aren't a cultural fit, you lack a certain skill that someone else has (could be a single thing) etc. You could get hired to the same company, but on a different time.
Be confident, go there to represent YOURSELF and don't sweat what the company requires you to be (as long as you choose within your scope... just don't take pressure on pleasing the interviewer)
Great advice Eli. How much would a person such as yourself charge to speak to a university students computer group for a couple of hours? Just wondering out of curiosity. I live in Australia, so it's not practical to ask you to come here.
Drive sounds like Faith for non religious people :) Thanks Eli, great stuff as always, hope you come to Australia! I certainly need some "drive" atm, you just reminded me where I'm at. Cheers
Is Eli going for the Guru beard?
If I'm not too timid, I do the same thing (follow up on why I've been rejected.) ... I actually did this with a credit card company. I fit within the posted guidelines, and got a generic rejection letter. So I looked up their numbers, found the one to bipass customer service, and had the guy on the other end look up the reason.
"You don't have six months of credit on file. You could probably get a card from your bank."
And so, I went and got a shitty department store card, built up credit for a year, and just recently got a much better card than they were offering.
But what then if they offer a job (in a unofficial way) and ask you to give them time and after 3 months the say "thanks but no thanks!" because they are confronting "budget problems". :(
I gave up IT years ago due to constant rejection. I am study really hard to try again.
Pretty much what i've done. If I get rejection I may send HR if they are involved an email just ask if there was anything they thought I should do different, or they desired something I didn't have or notice was a desire.
Almost always I hear you did good, but this other person had a bit more experience and at this type we wanted someone to come in quickly.
A few times through peers I'd find out where the person was hired from then I may see if that is making openings there.
One case was a place I interned at job came up I went through all the steps, got rejection. My friend knew the person they hired was like oh they gave him answers to a test, he couldn't have passed otherwise. I trust my friend, and as much as that ticked me off I just said okay is this a place I want to work, is my friend right?, maybe he'll be fired in a year.
I don't think I ever even sent them an email since I knew sort of what they wanted, etc. I said I don't care what happened I'm not going to give them crap I respect everyone in the department, maybe this was something forced on them by their boss.
I ran into the admin and the tech now co-admin at a training event. The co-admin mentioned how busy they are said there's been talk of bringing me on the team. Had I started giving them crap they'd be like forget it we will never deal with him again.
Not to mention small town and this admin knows probably like 10 others things could get nasty fast.
Would I work for them after what they did? sure 1. I can't verify that rumor is true 2. If they want to give me a chance I think I can forgive. 3. I admire the admin there, many other places the admins are arrogant and not real pleasant to deal with.
As someone who has had many jobs and never not gotten the job if I applied for it, I find this video not 100% accurate. Sometimes if you apply yourself and you talk confidently, people will see that.
I'm sure my experience isn't part of the norm, but just know sometimes after you fail so many times you may need to rethink your approach.
Nooooooooooooooooooo! I think it's just a case of applying for jobs you're well-suited to + luck in your case. But yeah, I agree, if you face a lot of rejection, the issue is probably you.
Are certification useful? I mean, are they something not THAT important, but that you still need to have?
Also, I dont hav experience in jobs, still studying, but from what I've read (I like to read about social sciences and psychology) it looks like a big part of getting a job is being able to "sell" yourself, or even better, be able to show your value without sounding too needy. Of course you gotta have dem qualifications.
People with experience, am I correct in my assumption?
***** You said it. Certs really don't mean anything and never will. The question is whether you can perform the job function or not. Unfortunately though, employers do want to see them on a resume.
***** that was an outstanding explanation of this topic...you nailed it!
I like the black list story. Sounds like I am probably on more black lists then I even knew I was on. I remember being told once, "You'll never work in this industry again !!!". That was about 20 jobs ago, and from my prospective, those words just ended up as words without actions. Sometimes people let their emotions get the best of them. Hard to see in advance, but I ended up doing better without that job.
More beard makes it easier to think don't you agree Eli? Beautiful talk.
Ellie you should talk about dealing with competition with starting a new business
Hey man I'm 17 and I won't to learn something
What's the best thing to learn in computer ?? ( technology)
Eli,
I understand that I will get rejected numerous times before I can close the sale, but I will still side with Ayn Rand on this one in the sense that "Failure is not a mortgage on success." I've seen people get a job right off the bat with no issues and others apply for hundreds of jobs just to get rejected hundreds of times. There doesn't seem to be any kind of rhyme or reason and shit just happens.
Eli is a sage
As far as these show gigs that call you then drop you, you might consider hiring an agent to deal with them on a per cost basis. Also, you might consider demanding 1/3 up front non-refundable. If they really think you are as awesome as they keep telling you you are, they will pay. Might give them some incentive too.
There is a problem with asking why you're being rejected. Because it's so easy to not do a face to face. Many places will say over the phone they you look great, but never contact you again. I've also seen it where companies will even flat out not answer when you ask why you're being rejected or even fired (if you get fired).
Then again, this could be my area, and the companies I've applied to.
(I've also found some companies don't tell you this because of legal reasons. I was fired once because I'm white (they fired every white person, and kept all the black people). I also didn't get a job once not because what I didn't know, but because of my age.)
34:31 😂😂
Just going through your old videos before Susan B. snaps her fingers
must keep fishing to catch fish if you don't put a line in water. sometimes look at rejection as the fish you didn't want to keep anyways
Are there bears in these woods ?
For the First ten minutes u r completely true
I watched almost all of your videos ..I had gain so much knowledge from you . Thank you ! 👧
If there are so many more IT employees than IT jobs is this a good industry to go into? Times seem to be better all my non IT friends and family members are employed and making money. All I see are rejected unemployed IT people.
Eli is pissed at the Big Tuna deal that fell through :/
There is something you forgot to cover, how about the feelings someone gets when they are let go from a Job/Contract or whatever and the former employer refuses to tell you why they let you go! I want to know why I was let go, If the problem was me, I can't fix the problem if I don't what is!
TheeBudGuru When that happen i move on .... Life is short you don't have time for that
Say, how about a comment that doesn't point out the deer in the background?
(36:42) Thumbs up if you're watching this and realize that the person was feeding Eli some bullshit nonsensical explanation and just wanted him to go away. Think about it. First, ask yourself if it makes ANY sense... and what are the odds that the two companies would have the exact same reason?
you should come to idaho some time.
This so ture
Yse it is
Hlel Yeah!!!
The woods are great, please keep being a BasedGod.
WOW! Are you speaking DIRECTLY to me? lol
+Brad Bolding Well, maybe I should have watched the remainder of the video haha. I was speaking on submitting a million resumes, interviewing, and then end up not making the cut...literally based on lack of interviewing skills...booo
mountain man
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The advices you are giving apply to a bunch of other jobs too
Rejected due to nature? BURN IT
ethan schreiber Or, he could just wear google glass, or have a quad copter parked beside him. Ta-da, tech in nature.
Many Time I Didn't Get Hired Due to My Beard
+Jimmy a Geek Then cut it man ....you really sucks with that beard to be honest, i have seen some of your videos
...if you can't give up to that fakin beard for a job,,, then you deserve not to have the job.....
for example...i have seen people with piercing that apply for jobs like waiter, and get rejected for the piercing....and they prefere stay unemployed, instead of removing the piercing....how stupid...you lose an opportunity ,for bullshit things..it's like eli said...in the business field , no one cares of what you like, it's what the client like....if the client does't like your beard or your piercing , remove it , if you want the job, if you want the opportunity ........if you dont want the opportunity than stay all the day before the mirror and take care of your fuckin beard or piercing
I as an employee,NO WAY ON EARTH, i will present you to my clients with that damn beard...BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT, AND MY CLIENTS DOESN'T LIKE IT...and i dont give a shit if it is a religion thing, a trend thing, an accessories(like piercing bullshit) or other reasons for why you keep it ...or stuff like this...
Guod Pthon Grow Up Racist
i dont tell you what to do....i just see you , and if i dont like you i dont hire you ...this is how business works.....it's not racisem
Guod Pthon Why Not Shave Head Hairs, Why a Beard, and Here 7 Health Benefits Of Having a Beard
www.mensxp.com/health/fitness/9317-7-health-benefits-of-having-a-beard.html
Jimmy a Geek Man you are not even understanding what i am saying....but from your comments i can say that the reason that you didn't get hired is not because of the beard, but you ,yourself
You or someone needs to do people relations for geeks. I have found that there are some REALLY smart geeks who can't relate to humans! I could say so much about this subject. It is almost like the personality type that makes one a good geek, also makes you somewhat anti social. But bottom line, humans write paychecks! If you can't get along with humans, you are going to starve!
wunderbar Eli good stuff i hope i can use it -danke -
nice file server haha
Everything is talking about deer. and lost the plot Eli has put here.
LOL
You pastafarian, or just joking?
Haha that's an ugly font
Thanks.