A 'Motor' Cyclist
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- How can anyone on a shared path ride past pedestrians at that pace and think it's okay?
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Not only is it a motorcycle, it's a virtually silent motorcycle. That old boy at the start must have had the shock of life.
Although to be honest as a cyclist I quite often ring my bell and whistle and *still* people don't hear me. But I certainly wouldn't pass pedestrians that fast or that close.
@@jarthurs Some people don't hear because they are old or deaf, keep this type of (un-restricted) E-Cycling up and lots of vulnerable people are going to be seriously hurt.
I say this as the owner of a 15MPH limited e-cycle.
I have a hearing loss and don't always hear cyclist ringing their bells, when I walking my dog down my local walking/cycle route. As I'm not old, I get some propper dirty looks from some cyclist, as if they have automatic right of way and I'm choosing not to budge.
i presumed from their reaction that they were called out to or something
even with perfect hearing and not having headphones in etc, I have on more than one occasion heard a 'ping ping' in the distance and thought 'oh someone's got a wind chime' or something. it's just not that common a noise where i live that i've built up an instinctive muscle memory of what it is or what it requires, unlike say a car horn or siren etc. I can appreciate it's annoying to slow down and have to pedal back up to speed again, but it's rarely someone intentionally punishing a cyclist@@Youdannny
If he'd stayed on the road he would have arrived just as quickly without annoying or endangering pedestrians.
Except he'd have had to stop at the traffic lights which Ashley went through, that way. No such problem on the shared path he switched onto and he seemed to care little for the crossing lights which were green for vehicular traffic. He seems indifferent to the pedestrians on the shared path and cares only for his desire to get to his desitnation as soon as possible - a common mindset among users of e-bikes and e-scooters, sadly. Since they lack any form of visible identification, the only way they are going to be held to account for poor riding is if they happen to behave that way near any police officers - which, let's face it, is highly unlikely given the diminishing number of them out and about. Delivery riders seem particularly prone to this behaviour, given their focus on hurling around with someone's burger meal before rushing on to their next "job"...
At 2:40 the rider doesn't even check over his shoulder before crossing the road in front of Ashley.
Given the number of red-light jumpers in Liverpool, his time in this life appears limited.
This type of "E-Bike" Contravenes UK and EU Law, It is Illegal to use. Due to its speed and the use of an accelerator, it is classed as a Motorcycle and due to the funny nature of "E-Bikes" they just make this type illegal to use on UK/EU Roads as both the Rider and the E-Bike would need to comply to the equivalent laws of at least a 50cc motorcycle. Easier to make this type Illegal and only allow "pedal-assisted" motors which don't go over 15 mph and only really "assist" you peddling up hills/steep terrain.
Yes but with no insurance (or helmet I don't think). When did you last see a Deliveroo rider actually pedalling?
If he stuck to the road I'd have no problem with him. Going that fast on any bike on a shared path is not on.
A E-bike is pedal assisted and a E-motorbike is throttle assisted, this is clearly a motorcycle as he didn’t once pedal and they are also illegal to ride on the public roads and cycle lanes. He needs to be stopped.
it's possible to have a legal throttle only e-bike in the UK, but this one was clearly illegal due to the excessive speed
They are only illegal if unregistered.
@@shm5547 Throttle-Only Bikes: E-bikes that can be propelled without pedalling, via a throttle, for instance, are not classified as e-bikes under UK law but as motorcycles or mopeds. This means they require appropriate licensing, registration, and insurance; the user must wear a helmet
Taken from gov website
@@1ninjatiger that’s incorrect. The rules changed in 2019
That was faster than an FS1E
(Yamaha 'Fizzy' Moped cira the 1970s)
Flying up the inside of those two buses on the stop was scary. Doors open, passengers straight out into the path of a 30mph bike.
Yep, that can easily be a fatal.
@@PedroConejo1939 I used to get that (with ordinary bikes) a lot when I was a bus driver. Due to parked cars, road layout etc. it isn't always possible to get right up to the kerb, and with them riding on the pavement, well...
@@PedroConejo1939 The buses had been stopped a while, there was clearly no movement around the buses. I think you're being a little dramatic.
@@peterthompson9854it's quite normal for folk to first speak with driver for a while when alighting, or the driver themselves to alight after say doing paperwork. You're willing to cause someone say a head injury due to your "need" to get somewhere 2 seconds earlier? Hth
Absolutely what I was thinking. Diabolical.
Let's please recognise that that guy is NOT a cyclist! There was zero pedaling, it's a motor bike!
Stay safe out there peeps ❤
What I hate about laws they put the pedals on them to get around that law.
He's a cyclist. You don't have to claim him but he is.
No he's no more a cyclist than a Gold wing is a SUV, not a bicycle like adding a 49cc engine kit or a 52v 1500watt motor plus throttle.
He is a motorcyclist, and should not be on pavement, shared path or cyclepath.
@@54356776
A bike that is powered by an engine. As this bike was is a motorcycle. On the very rare occasions when i can get my push bike up 30mph on the flat. I'm having to pedal like Lance Armstrong on steroids. This fella was barely moving his legs. And yes ebikes/e-scooters and Electric bikes are a silent menace on footpaths. If we are going to have to endure them (as government appears to want) they should be used exclusively on the roads.
30mph is one of the tame ones too, some of them have been 'tinkered with' even more brazenly and can easily do 60 mph
Massive problem in city centres, Deliveroos in pedestrian precincts at high speed. There are silent motorbikes and need to be covered by the same laws. Number plates, licence, insurance and police enforcement.
They are covered by law, in some areas the police are taking action, and they are taking action on e'scooters, I believe the parents may be fined in the cases of children riding e'scooters.
I went to Cambridge recently and its ridiculous the number of illegal electric vehicles whizzing around pedestrianised areas.
Other issue I see is that cycle couriers skip every set of red lights they come to and dont use lights which is odd as they have a big battery. On their ebikes they will shoot past your bicycle going up hills leaving very little clearance such that if you wobble or try to go round a pothole you could get hit.
Not just E bikes. I regularly see all sorts of Deliveroo workers flouting regulations: push bikes without lights, mopeds without silencers....
You can tell a lot of the bikes are illegal by the size of the motors and they're using throttles.Still,you got to get that overpriced,greasy pizza delivered on time.
These road users give legal e-bike owners a bad name. Legal e-bikes must be pedal assist and assist upto 15.5mph. I've seen a lot of comments on social media from people who think that all e-bikes are just twist and go like a moped.
Exactly, also maximum motor output of 250W: if your bike has an ebike throttle and is capable of going over 15.5 mph (25 km/h), it will need to be registered as a moped with the DVLA and you will need to have a driving licence and tax it. But that's only up to 28mph, over that speed it becomes a motorbike.
@@nbgannet Not quite, it's maximum continuous rated power, so they can exceed 250W for short bursts. It's the 750W ones supposedly restricted in software to 250W that worry me, pretty sure they aren't legal but the DFT wouldn't confirm that when I asked them, just said check the EAPC test results which Cyrusher etc don't publish publicly.
You are absolutely spot on there.
@@andyalder7910 it doesn't matter if they're rated 750W or higher. That's the nature of electric motors. You would hit the speed restriction long before it is a problem. Regarding what's legal, every single European motor, like Bosch, exceeds 250W. Do they worry you?
@@SafferCA Yes it worries me because the instant acceleration of electronically controlled electric motors can catch people off guard. Zero to 15.5 mph in half a second is as scary as being next to a Tesla at the lights.
It’s a motorcyclist - no question at all.
He’s unregistered/insured/licensed, and shouldn’t be on the shared use path (not a simple pavement) at all.
That's a push bike with one of those Chinese electric assist motors. You can see by the frame when he goes past
@@laceandwhisky that's not an electric assist motor, he wasn't pedaling. it's a push bike that's been converted to a motorbike
@@laceandwhisky it’s a motorbike - however it was constructed it doesn’t meet the requirements to be classed as an EPAC, and is therefore a motorbike.
If you’re being particularly generous you could call it a moped - but it’s not a pedal cycle.
@@JohnR31415 Pedelec maybe? Sort of our weird, "not an e-bike but not quite a moped yet" classification. I don't see what pedalling really has to do with it, kind of exclusionary policy towards people who cannot pedal to require them to have a licence to operate something that goes about as fast as me on the flat on a bike! I think we need to define micromobility vs motor vehicle better! Perhaps limit the wattage and speed allowable, rather than use a throttle as the defining difference? Penalties for using a footpath or micromobility/cycling lane with a motor vehicle (like this, which is going at least 30!)
It’s definitely a motorcycle and as such shouldn’t be using a shared path. Or even a cycle way for that matter.
E-bikes are electrically assisted pedal cycles, and are restricted to 15mph in the UK.
Shared paths have a ’speed limit’ of 20mph apparently.
Definitely considered a Motorcycle. The UK legislation for Ebikes is they have to be Pedal Assisted meaning the power assist only works while pedalling with a maximum speed of 15.5mph (25km/h) and if the bike HAS a throttle it IS CONSIDERED a Motorcycle and needs to be Taxed and Insured etc, He was definitely not pedalling
Throttle rule is exclusionary towards those who are disabled, and the presence of a throttle should mean nothing. If it goes below 17MPH on the flat, it should be considered micromobility (e-bikes, e-scooters, etc), but our laws are arcane and slow to adapt to change. If it goes between 17 and 30, I believe it is classified as a pedelec and is exempt from tax and insurance - but requires a CBT and helmet to ride, which is good, may reduce people's dependence on their cars. Otherwise, like this, it may qualify as a moped or light motorcycle.
Wow though, that speed on a pavement! Pedelec is not allowed on a pavement, if that is what it is, motorcycle definitely not! Ludicrous! Even on a pedal bike that would qualify as furious cycling!
@@5688gamble I will not go on the pavement on my bike because I feel that I am too much of a hazard to pedestrians and I do not even go anywhere near 30 mph
@@5688gamble I'm a bit confused by the 17-30 class. If it doesn't require tax or insurance, what happens in an accident at 25mph which will cause severe injuries on both parties?
@@5688gamble A throttle is simply a mechanism to regulate acceleration - it is not exclusionary any more than an accelerator is in a car: it can be foot- hand- or any other form of actuation. It does - on the other hand (!) - enable one to use a bike without pedalling. That's why its presence classifies an "e-bike" as a motorbike.
Ashley, I wanted to say thanks for the videos. I am a car driver and motorbike rider who also does a bit of cycling. I’m an older driver so know what I should do but watching your videos has made me reflect I don’t always do it. I recognise some bad habits and behaviours and simply seeing my own actions reflected and commented on has made me focus on cutting out the silly stuff.
You’ve made me realise I’m not as good a driver as I could or should be. Thanks for that!
It's interesting to see that he got no further ahead by using the cycle paths than he would have done if he'd just stuck behind you on the road. All that dangerous riding for nothing.
He was most likely using the cycle paths to avoid been spotted by police on the actual road, since this ebike is highly illegal to use.
Some cyclists defend riding on the pavement as it is safer than riding on the road and getting hit by a 2 ton vehicle.
@@DemiGod.. Is it not illegal to ride on the pavement, when it is not a shared path? Also, the way some people ride, they put pedestrian in danger. Is it ok for people to be in danger as long as it is not themselves?
@@DemiGod.. It does piss me off when councils wack a shared use sign on pavements though. As a cyclist I won't use them as you can't go at any reasonable speed and pedestrians slow you down even more and I'm sure pedestrians share my concerns.
@@theedude2207 He could be legal but not doing 30mph. Electric bikes are quite legal as long as they are 'electrically assisted pedal cycles' (EAPC). You do not need a licence to ride one and it does not need to be registered, taxed or insured and can be used on cycle paths etc. However, the speed should not be more than 15.5mph and must have pedals that can be used. If not EAPC approved then it would need to be registered, taxed and insured and of course the rider needs a licence and to wear a helmet.
That was an electric bike with a throttle attachment, which in the uk needs to be registered with the dvla as a moped and you need to have a driving license and tax. It should not be using shared cycling / walking lanes. I avoid a shared lane on my road bike because I can get up to 20mph on it, and I feel that is too fast when a pedestrian could appear.
Throttle is not illegal. Its aloud on the road for to help you take off from lights and from full stop only.
@@robertmorrison4458 @stuartthomson1863 I believe the distinction is whether the throttle works under pedalling or on it's own. If it's on it's own, it's a moterised bike as opposed to motor-assisted.
@@robertmorrison4458he didn't say it was illegal, he said it needs to be registered, self propelled bikes that go over 15.5mph are classed as motorbikes and you need a license, tax and insurance.
@@robertmorrison4458 *allowed.
Likewise, shared path should be viewed as slower environments because it is not safe to pedal too hard.
They're a menace in Leeds, in theory they're not necessarily unsafe but the type of person who buys them are almost without exception unsafe.
Dangerous people are dangerous with anything, and safe people are safe with everything.
There are probably some around who ride them safely, but you will likely forget them. Could you imagine Ashley riding like this for example? No chance.
These seem to have become popular due to a loophole which allows electrically assisted bikes (which I have seen ridden safely).
Preventing their unsafe use seems to be difficult, especially now it has become so rare to see a police office on duty.
Even when I ride my bike or e-scooter on a shared path, I consider myself to be the danger & accept that I should be the one slowing for them. Many do not have this attitude though.
@@theaikidoka Yes, dangerous people are dangerous with anything, but I'm not sure about your second comment. I consider myself to be a safe driver and cyclist, but if I picked up a chainsaw and started it (never having had any training or having picked one up before), I think I might be quite dangerous!
@@theaikidoka
I suppose you also think "guns don't kill people..."
Seriously!! You can barely walk down the headrow without fear of being hit. It happens all the time, they're absolutely lethal. One day I'm sure I'm going to get knocked down.
The other day we came across a similar cyclist on a shared pedestrian/cycle path (with no separating line), wide enough for three or four people. We were just passing another couple when this cyclist came speeding round the corner towards us mashing his bell. The four of us didn't have much time to react so just stayed on our sides of the path. If the cyclist slowed down it would have been easy to pass us. Instead he cycled straight into one of the couple that passed us and swerved straight into a bin. He went flying over his handlebars, no helmet on and landed a few meters away. He must have been going around 20mph. Then he gets up and starts having a go with the guy he just ran into, all while having headphones on and not listening to a word we were saying. At least he seemed to be the only one that got hurt, the guy he hit was pretty tough and didn't seem bothered. But this could have been much worse.
Please do continue to include more dad jokes. 😊
What's brown and sticky?
@@ricksanchez3628 Marmite 😋
Nutella 😋
@@ricksanchez3628 A stick. Of course.
No sh*t!
That man has some calves! The bike is so scared of them, it moves by itself!
Actually I think the secret of his propulsion is eat lots of beans.
@@DemiGod.. It was silly of him to wear so many clothes, as the afterburner from his arse would surely make him combust!
I think his legs are doing at least 1'800 RPM, the dashcam's 30 frames per second make it look like he's not moving at all :)
Throughout, we never saw him use the pedals - so it's not an electric assisted bicycle. So as you say it's a motorbike, and it should never be on a pavement, shared or otherwise.
You are correct but for the wrong reasons. An e-bike can be propelled without pedalling although this needs to be type approved. The issue here is the bike propelling itself faster than 15mph. Thats a big no-no
They have bikes like that in america, the speed limit is higher if you have pedals,rather than just a twist grip, so they fit pedals and pretend to pedal when they see a cop car.
And I get shouted at "UsE tHe CyCLe PaTh!!!" when I have the audacity to use my bike on the road.
Our town is plagued with these and the police do nothing about it. It's about 15 points on your driving licence although it's mainly teenagers who don't even have one.
Police can't really do a great deal. These riders don't generally wear helmets so if they follow/pursue and then something happens to the rider, the police get the blame. Look at the incidents in Cardiff and Manchester. It's a no win situation in my opinion until the law is amended.
Police probbaly not allowed to give chase incase they get hurt as not wearing helmets.
@@mikeyharris How would you amend the law, given that it is already against the law?
@@ditch3827the “personal responsibility act”. If you’re doing something illegal, and the police chase you and you get hurt through your own actions, then tough luck; you shouldn’t have been such a spanner.
As it stands, police are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If someone gets hurt through their own stupidity, the officer/s face decades long investigations, possibly criminal charges and/or misconduct hearings. If they don’t do anything, the public rightly ask why not and, potentially, they face decades long investigations for neglect of duty, criminal charges and/or misconduct hearings.
Something definitely needs to change if you want laws to be enforced properly. Laws without enforcement are merely suggestions.
@@geko7844 Great idea. You need to write to your MP as it is MPs that make and change legislation.
BTW there is such a thing as contributory negligence in that if you are hurt by someone else's fault then, if you were to sue them, the amount of compensation you could claim would be reduced by what the court decided was your negligence.
A few years ago I used to cycle in to work. I did it most days apart from days when either I had a flat tyre or it was snowing as I was riding on road tyres which weren't suited for snow.
Every time I came across a pedestrian I ALWAYS slowed right down and gently made them aware of my presence before carefully navigating past them and I always said thank you, too. But I saw so many other cyclists who weren't so friendly. One hulk of a chap who must have been 6ft 5 tall. He bellowed "LEFT!!" just before zooming past me on my right. So he was instructing me to move to my left? I never even had time to react before he had passed me. I had seen him quite a few times, though so recognised him and I always thought "a*sehole" as he passed. On this particular occasion, after he had passed me, he rapidly approached 2 pedestrians and bellowed the same order. "LEFT!!" Not sure what was happening, one of them turned around but did it straight into the cyclists path. There was a collision and the cyclist lost control and fell off. He got back on his bike, hollard something to the pedestrian and rode off. When I passed I asked if the pedestrian was OK and apologised for the other cyclists manner. About a quarter of a mile later, I passed the cyclist hobbling alongside his bike.
I've not cycled to work for quite some time now as I moved a distance away. But when I cycle, when I drive, when I walk, I always consider other people and how my actions could impact them.
One day, he'll be a guest of the NHS.
Unfortunately it is more likely that innocent passers by will be the guests due to his disgraceful attitude and dangerous driving.
future organ donors
With any luck, hope it's not trivial !
Unfortunately its more likely to be a victim of his utter stupidity and riding behaviour that’ll need medical treatment.
I have the same problems with people on electric scooters zooming past on footpaths. There's no consideration of the fact someone may move out in front of them unknowingly, they see any gap and commit. They're so quiet you can't hear them coming either.
Agreed the lack of noise makes them WORSE than a motorbike. The kind of people who ride thee often do not shout warnings either or are last sec if they do. And they do not seem to slow down unless they have to.
My home town introduced an electric scooter (VOI) scheme about three years ago in its quest for 'sustainable' transport. To see one being ridden (or even parked) considerately is the exception. An absolute bl**dy nuisance which the authorities seem unwilling to regulate because its Green.
Where I live there are lots of shared-use paths. I am both a car driver and a (completely legal) ebike rider. Even though my ebike tops out at only 15 mph, I would not dream of trying to pass a pedestian at that speed, just in case they move across the path unexpectedly. I always slow right down, ring my bell if im approaching them from behind, and cover both brake levers in case a hasty stop is required. I can always accelerate again once I am past them and back on empty path...... Its a slower process than just going past at full speed, but its a safer one.
Other cyclists have the view that they can go as fast as they like, it is pedestrains responsibility to know they are there and get out of their way. On the road they can go as fast as they want, any car driver that pulls out infront of them as they bomb down the road has violated the cyclists right of way.
yeah sure you do, model of society
All travellers need to be wary. People walking step out in front of joggers, cyclists even cars.
The laws and guidelines need to change and adapt. They did when we went from horses to cars why not with new technologies 🤷♂️
I had a go on an E scooter that would do 50 mph. I was scared to 30 mph on it. Its was sold as an off road E scooter. In one banner for it it said Extremally fast and slightly dangerous. The biggest problem was not the speed but how dangerous it was to brake. In a emergency stop it would, you wouldn't. It could be like a catapult.
I dunno about that. Whilst at an advanced motorbike skills day at an airfield, did emergency stops from speeds upto 60mph on a maxi scooter, outbraked the motorbikes which we were surprised about.
@@DemiGod..less weight so less momentum
Riding at those speeds on a pavement/cycle path (whether by electric, gravity, or muscle power) is far more likely to result in vehicles turning across you at junctions. In such a case, the driver should not be held at fault unless it can categorically be shown the driver saw them coming, ie. deliberately pulled across.
This is currently under the 'cycling furiously' law, but it needs updating.
But he's not cycling... he's riding an unlawful motorcycle.
Most e-scooter riders who have received serious injury or have been killed, have been hit side-on while crossing the road from one pavement to another. There are very few incidents of injuries being caused to people riding the various local authority sponsored rented e-scooters on the road. Strict e-scooter and e-bike regulation and enforcement would make it much safer for riders and pedestrians alike.
@@jonathanstone9329 "...whether by electric, gravity, or muscle power" - discuss.
I agree. Even on a bicycle if you are capable of riding between 20-30+ mph you should get off shared paths. The problem is that nobody is policing use of high powered, but electric motorcycles. These have similar power and speed to a 125cc motorcycle, which requires a provisional licence and up to date CBT. I suggest that below the age of 10 children must be accompanied by an adult on roads and 10 and over compulsory road craft training. I am not singling out cyclists. There are many road users of all vehicles, that seem to think that the rules of the road don't apply to them. I drive cars, vans, trucks and bikes and motorcycles. I feel that this gives me a greater undwrstanding of the needs of other road users.
Let's get compulsory training for all and any road users on the statute as soon as possible and get police constables enforcing the law. Instead of whatever bollocks they are doing most of the time.
There are no words to describe my hatred of these people - not just the type of bike he's riding, but the way he's riding it. I do all I can to ensure the best safety to myself and everyone around me (use of bell and horn with plenty of warning, limiting myself to running pace on shared paths and avoiding pavements that aren't bike paths where it's safer to use the road, following the highway code especially regarding crossings and junctions, etc) but because the 0.1% sticks out in people's minds everyone around assumes I must ride like this and treats me like I'm out to get them, when I'm just out to get bread and milk.
To be fair, the vast majority of motorised vehicle users are capable of discerning between good cyclists and the dickheads, but it's the fraction of drivers who lump all cyclists together that give car drivers a bad name.
I was recently knocked down by a kid on a electric scooter. The rider was wearing a black hoodie, no lights doing around 20 mph, when hit from behind on a footpath, in the dark. He managed to stay on it & ran away. Yes i was injured but, with no means of identifying the culprit who appeared to be about 13/14 there were no real hope of catching him.
Both e-scooters and chipped / uncompiant ebikes are likely to become an increasing problem. There probably needs to be some stronger consequences and public awareness campaigns to make such issues as unacceptable as not wearing a seat belt or drink driving. It obviously won't stop all cases but would at least stop it becoming a commonplace issue. Compliant ebikes are fantastic things and I would recommend everyone to try one, but it seems that some people are not getting the message that there is a clear legal line of what is classed as a bicycle. A minor modification such a chipping a ebike can put someone in control of an uninsured non-road legal motorbike, potentially getting themselves in a lot of trouble... especially in the event of an accident.
I own an electric bike that’s legally restricted to 15MPH and I could have it suped up to do 30+ MPH BUT,what people don’t realise is you can get lots of points on your license for all sorts of penalties so nah, 15 is fast enough anyway
You could probably comfortably do 20mph plus, on level road without assist. The power is handy for hills.
@@IndependentHeathenI'd ban them for the under-70s (medical exemptions apart). Pedalling under your own power, and a bit of help from gravity and the breeze, is the whole point.
@@ChigleybusI think making ebikes only for the infirm is a ridiculous idea. Ebikes are a great way to get more people cycling overall, and they are still far less carbon emitting than a car or motorcycle. Some people also live in very hilly areas and ebikes are their gateway to taking the plunge into cycling. We need more people on bikes!
It's also an absolute urban myth that you don't get exercise on ebikes. You absolutely do, they have various assist settings, and legally confirming ones have no throttle (you have to pedal, it's like having a tailwind assist you on the flat) and they cut off assist at 15 mph.
@@ChigleybusNo, getting to work is the point. If you prefer tackling hills without assist, great, just don't bother other people with bans. Cycling is more than just a sport.
For all of that zooming down cycle lanes narrowly missing pedestrians and crossing roads, he could have stayed just behind you on the road and made exactly the same progress.
It's Cycling Mikey, gone up in the world, thanks to his new job of grassing up motorists on YT.
I have nothing against e-bikes (I want one myself), but when you are going at those speeds you should be required to ride on the road and not on shared footpaths.
I'm amazed at how his legs synced up perfectly to your framerate so it looked like he was maintaining that speed without pedaling.
more seriously, I'm starting to think two things. that there should be a motor vehicle classification applied to them, involving licensing and registration, if they can exceed the speed of a mobility scooter without pedaling. and also that it might be a smart thing to start dividing traffic by travel speed instead of by mechanism.
oh, and the penalty for his riding should be that he is required to wear a sign on his back that says "OK to close pass at speed" and have it binding.
I doubt that these bikes are bought through normal channels, but rather modified illegally after the event, and therefore a motor vehicle classification couldn't be applied to them at the point of purchase. And these completely selfish, entitled ***** couldn't give a **** about the law or whether they are causing a problem.
@@paulmiller7671 if they get pulled and arrested for operating an unregistered motor vehicle, AND reckless driving, they might.
[...] dividing traffic by travel speed _and width,_ (you wouldn't want to be meeting a combine harvester on a shared trail), but apart from that I agree.
If you go the same speed as the cars then you should be in the car lanes (no matter if you're on a bike that you can get to 10mph in a 10mph zone, or if you're on a 30mph electric motorbike in a 30mph zone). If you don't feel safe there because you're less visible or because of the lack of rear view mirrors, then you shouldn't ride at that speed without high-vis clothing/ on something without rear view mirrors.
That's the standard that I hold myself to and I don't see why the law should be any different.
And separating pedestrian pavements / cycle lanes/ motor vehicle lanes by travel speed would also mean that cyclists, scooters, inline skaters, hoverboards, and whatnot using the pavement would automatically be limited to close to walking speeds.
@@Pystro well, yeah, oversize vehicles would still require special handling. but yeah, that was sort of the idea I had in mind.
Round here we have unregistered scramble bikes ridden by lads in balaclavas (to prevent ID).
E-scooters are a problem too. Dark clothes, no lights, no road sense.
Have a few local men gotten together, and approached the riders, to have a civilised discussion? Hth
My two cents worth. No comment about him being in a cycle lane (note white line dividing the pavement). He did slow down for the first bloke (who was walking in the cycle lane).
Secondly I work in and out of a van all day and the number of inconsiderate motorists who pass me at very close quarters doing 30 or 40 mph is uncountable. Most motorists have no conception of how dangerously they are driving as to regards workers in the road. Nowhere near enough space given and many times I suspect they haven't even seen me.
Seen one nearly get wiped out a few weeks ago. Traffic light controlled crossroads, our lights went green, cars in front moved off and had to emergency stop for a deliveroo rider crossing in front at high speed. He 100% ran the red light.
I've had two VERY near misses with clowns on "derestricted" electric bikes recently. BOTH were sporting the inevitable DELIVEROO box on their backs. Given I was on my own leg powered bike at the time it wouldn't have been just "scratched paint" if they hit me. Oxford is absolutely plagued by these "hot food emergency" sc*m 🤬 and the police don't seem to give a damn. I was actually stopped at the traffic lights outside the main police station one evening discussing how much of a hazard these were with another pedal cyclist and how they run every red light and junction and on cue one of the idiots came flying right through between us at full speed and straight through the red light.... cue Officer Dibble... nope, nothing 🙄 I actually caught the little sh*t up half a mile down the road and gave him a bollocking but he just didn't care... and that's the problem. I'm all for e-bikes getting people out of their cars and reducing congestion but, much like e-scooters, too many of them are derestricted and ridden by pond scum, food for thought next time anyone orders their next bag of takeaway botulism. These are NOT bicycles they are e-mopeds to all intents.
best part is since you met again at the roundabout exit he did not get to his destination any quicker than just staying behind you so he inconvenienced the pedestrians for no tangible benefit
What we must appreciate is the patience and effort required to film and edit a video such as this one to expose this menace of motorised bicycles, or as Ashley Neal phrases it, a 'motor' cyclist. I saw a lot of these vehicles on the pavements in England while I was walking on pavements that were NOT 'shared' paths. These E-bikes can be silent and really terrified me. Imagine a child accidentally finding her way in front of one of these E-bikes? The old guy at 1:52 reacted with calmness when he was startled by this anti-social rider. But, it would have been a serious problem to someone with a heart condition. This is not just a UK nuisance. I am seeing the same problems on the sidewalks (pavements) of Canada. This seems to be a First World virus! Ashley, did you consider reporting this to the police? Anyway, you have the best channel when it comes to safe and effective driving in the UK. I just wish I find your counterpart in Canada! Keep up the great work. (7th December 2023).
He did actualy slow down quite respectful of the other cycle path users.
If it is an electrically operated and travelling excess of 30mph, then it's an electric moped and would require a licence with CBT and require a crash helmet and safety clothing.
Now EBikes and Electric Mopeds are allowed to use them as long as the cycle path features the signs «Mofas frei» or «E-Bikes frei» which means the paths can be used by mopeds and e-bikes
If it goes up to 30, it could be a ped-elec, the laws are weird, but I believe these also require a CBT and they cannot be used on bike lanes and shared paths, they can have throttles (throttle laws are silly as it excludes disabled users) but must have fully functioning pedals in order to distinguish from a low powered moped. You'd be exempt from tax and insurance but must display plates and wear a helmet as you would on a motorbike/moped.
Mopeds are restricted to 28MPH, faster than that it's a motorbike.
@andyalder7910 your correct they are restricted to 28mph (L1e) but can be de-restricted to increase speed. The resulting speed is dependent on the bike, the charge on the battery, the terrain, temperature and load (ie rider) but typically they get to high 30s, low to mid 40s mph.
I used to have a Puch Maxi 49cc (unrestricted) and that used to get speeds in the high 30mph bracket, de restricting an electric moped is not too difficult
The guy is just peddling so fast the camera cant pick it up
Actually Ashley just drives so slow that bicycles overtake him. I mean doing 30 in a 30 limit, who does that?
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@@DemiGod.. 30 in a 40 I think... I suspect Ashley was curious to see what the rider got up to, so stayed well below the limit.
30 limit
" I hear the local police station had their toilet stolen, unfortunately they still have nothing to go on "
Police are on the lookout for a white i30, if they can't find it then they may be forced to use a bicycle.
An opportunity was lost by the majority of Police Forces, NOT, treating the illegal use of "motorised " Cycles and Scooters with ZERO tolerance. To often are they just ignored and as a result their use is becoming an epidemic.
To be fair though you see this all the time with mobility scooters in supermarkets, they should have a speed limit in the aisles 😜.
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They have a reason to be on them, the mindless yobs on the pavements don't, and how handy they must be for bag snatchers and drug dealers, noticed how many wear masks?
Some old dear was doing about 30 past the deli the other day, on her way to the bakery aisle , where the bread reductions had started.
@@highdownmartin What about the wheelies and handbrake turns !
4mph for class II mobility scooters
8mph for class III mobility scooters but they need to be set to 4mph on pavements.
I have never seen a mobility scooter blitz past me. Ever. Those things cap out at like 8 mph, roughly twice a brisk walking pace.
Thank heavens someone has started to cover this issue, and highlight the importance of this difference.
I live near a large business estate which includes large distribution warehouses. I leave my house in the morning to go to work, often just before or after the night/morning shift change over at these warehouses. Last Friday I drove into a cyclist who came speeding down the pavement (not dual use). Bear in mind that i have to edge out of my drive, always forwards, because I don't have a clear view until I'm beyond the threshold. The cyclist had no lights, was going down hill and had gotten a fair old speed on. When I confronted him about riding on the pavement he had no idea he was riding illegally. He was foreign and may have something to do with his ignorance but I dare say there are a lot of uneducated British people who don't know or don't care about this law. As regards what to do I will involve the local police and councillors to raise the issue in these businesses so that they educate their employees. Maybe then if staff continue to ignore the law the employers can do something about it as well as the police. Wishful thinking perhaps.
I was hit by an electric bicycle when I was walking in the park here in germany.
The normal footpath was closed so I was walking on the cycle path (which was ok when the footpath is closed). The woman cycling the other way didn't even slow down she just had a panic look on her face, and then she went on the grass clipped my side and she landed in mud. I wasn't hurt at all I weigh over 100kg so things can just bounce off me. But she had no idea what she was doing.
When her bicycle was on the ground the motor was still powering the back wheel, which is why she couldn't stop. (Normally this shouldn't be the case with "pedal assist" when you stop pedalling normal the motor should stop, however there is an exception for the elderly or disabled where they can have a level to control the motor.)
An ambulance was called and then the ambulance called police. The police in germany don't say "hello" or "good morning" in germany, they say "ID card" or "passport" (under german law it's compulary to carry your ID. Thankfully I had my passport in my pocket. The police took my statement.
A few weeks later I had a letter in the post from the police which was a report of things. The form was a standard form which had a diagram of a car to draw whatever damage (but there wasn't any car involved, it was just a standard form).
Basically nothing legal happened that I'm aware of, i blame the woman for not being in control of her bicycle.
Many years ago I use to race bicycles (RTTC) so I know how to ride and control the bicycle, this woman hadn't a clue and that is OK when going super slow on a bicycle which is not electric. However electric bicycles go faster and don't give people who have no idea any time to think, you have to know what you are doing when you ride faster.
There has been a huge increase in cycling deaths in the Netherlands (up 40% in 2022 to the highest in the 27 years for which records have been kept). Over half the deaths are among the over-60s, and it seems, at least provisionally, it is older people on e-Bikes driving this increase. They are more vulnerable as they get older and the 25 kph that they can reach with assistance is faster they they would have been travelling on their old, very heavy, utility bikes.
Speed should be earned, usually it comes with experience and practice. With e-bikes any idiot can go 30mph with no idea how to ride safely.
If it has an electric system that makes it able to go as fast as a car on a dual-carriage way in a city area, therefore it can kill someone with no issue, it should be classed as a motorcycle. Same goes for e-scooters. Does the UK have a rental-based system, where you can rent an e-scooter? In Finland, I've heard that people on traditional rented bicycles have been not quite caring when it comes to handling those things, because they're just driving rented ones and not personal ones, and I've seen a few occasions where someone on a rented e-scooter does the unthinkable.
One time I was making a left turn when the green light came on for people turning left, and someone in a rented e-scooter zoomed through a red pedestrian light towards the direction I was turning in. If I had not done my habitual checks and going easy with acceleration, even knowing that there was a red light on for pedestrians, I wouldn't have been far from hitting them. In fact I've witnessed more crazy rented e-scooter instances than rented bicycle instances, though I have yet to see them hitting other people. I've seen so many rented e-scooter instances that I expect anything from them, and I won't be surprised to see or hear one doing something absolutely insane.
I wonder how that situation is in any other country that has started a system, where you can rent an e-scooter or bicycle.
It is classed as a motorcycle. An illegal, unregistered, untaxed, uninsured motorcycle that doesn't conform to the required build standards.
There is a trial scheme for e-Scooters in the UK, but they can only be rented as part of approved schemes. The things are inherently dangerous, with small wheels. In the tiny place where I live a woman rented one in Spain, had an accident and suffered a severe and permanent brain injury and had to be put in a medically induced coma. She will be dependant on carers for the rest of her life.
I had a close encounter with one of these on the trans penn near where you live. Shouted out a split second warning then went whizzing past at 30mph. I only just got out of the way in time. I was on my bike. He came whizzing through a gap between a ped and myself. Another time was when I was cycling in Sheffield city centre. I was going down a steep hill at about 20mph. I kept in the middle as cars were to the left. Without warning an ebike shot up my inside at hyper speed. Two kids on it, one having a seater. Imagine if I had pulled to the left a bit. I don't mind these kinds of "vehicles" but they do need reg plates as are basically a motorcycle. I don't mind them going on bike trials as long as stick to 15mph max.
The ones that pass my bicycle at speed pass very close and ridden by kids; I suspect that close passes give them a buzz
I suspect the irony, if he did call out "Get out the bike lane!" on his modified and illegal e-bike, would be lost on him.
I'd actually love e-bikes like this to be legal. I'd buy one. And I'd happily pay a registration fee, have a number plate, and have to wear some kind of crash helmet, and get third party insurance. Then have rules set and clarity on where you can ride (are bike lanes OK, but speed limited, or do you have to avoid them entirely?).
As other folks here have said, given it can hugely exceed the 15.5mph electric assistance level without pedaling, it's a motorcycle. He needs a helmet, motorcycle license, MOT or V5, number plate, brake light, horn, insurance and VED ( road tax ). It won't have a V5, so number plate, insurance and VED will be impossible. This makes it totally illegal to ride in a public place.
Don’t see an issue with these bikes if they are used responsibly, but this riding was just stupid. Should really stick to the road if they want to do 30… I wouldn’t do anything close to that on a downhill shared path where I could just about reach those speeds.
They’re popular in Nottingham, which isn’t exactly flat so I can see why people want to use them and honestly I could make good use of one myself to assist on long or steep hills- though in the clip that area looks pretty flat!
If you see no issue with them doing 30mph + (they go upto 50mph) , how about all 2 wheeled vehicles like a scooter or motorbike not needing registration, insurance an mot, licence or a helmet?
@DemiGod.. why such a vindictive attitude?
You can get a pedal bike up to 30 on a downhill slope without being a lycra-wearing avid cyclist.
I strongly believe e bikes (and indeed regular bikes) being used for business (ie delivery services) should require their riders to be licensed, have a registration and he insured. But i won't ever support that for regular day to day usage. No need and would put unnecessary and anti-pragmatic steps in the way of getting more people to use bikes instead of cars.
MOTs would be totally over the top for bikes and even e bikes, which aren't much more mechanically complex. There's a lot more to go wrong mechanically on a car or proper motorbike, and the danger is much more severe.
Helmets should be mandatory on e bikes capable of exceeding 20mph on flat ground.
All my opinion, irrespective of the law's position - fairly clear on limits between a motorbike and an e bike.
I was about to say "at least he's on the road" but then he decided to go scare some pedestrians. I've spotted a few of these types on the shared path alongside the Cambridge guided busway. Some of them aren't even on e-bikes, but full blown Vespa-style scooters doing 30-40mph past walkers, kids on scooters, normal cyclists, etc.
at my previous work they did a bike scheme to help employees buy power assisted bikes which had a limiter on them. but one of the guys got speaking to the company and they gave him a code to override the limiter to which he found out you could do 30mph just on battery power alone without pedaling.
the fact that to override some of these bikes is just a code in the software is the problem. too much temptation to remove the limiter and just pretend to cycle when the police are near by.
yes they are motorbikes with pedals attached, and its only going to get worse unless regulations change to limit them better.
Back in September, 2023 I decided to walk across the George Washington Bridge (GWB) connecting New Jersey to New York on the recently improved northside bike/pedestrian path. There are two paths, one on the northside of the bridge and one on the southside. The southside path is closed for renovation and is supposed to reopen in 2025. The improvements include new ramps that allow bikes to travel directly from the bridge onto the streets on either side of the bridge without having to walk up and/or down stairs. I found normal bikes were traveling pretty fast, especially with the ramps on the New York side being curvy to bring the ramps down to street level in a limited amount of space. As I proceeded down the path across the bridge itself, I started running into motorized bicyclists who were traveling faster than the 15 MPH speed limit posted on the walkway. Normally I am a pretty calm person. But these motorized bikes and the normal bikers in general were extremely dangerous riders and I eventually had to keep my head swiveling to make sure I didn't get hit. I hope the NY/NJ Port Authority, who operates the GWB, cracks down on the riders who don't like to cooperate with pedestrians.
The other day I was walking down cable street in east London. I was crossing the road as someone was turning they let me go but an electric bike was using the cycle lane and they hit each other. He was going very fast. Now she was crossing his lane so he should have the right of way but he also shouldn't be going so fast on the cycle highways. I think it makes them dangerous for other cycle users. Having so many people, with scooters skateboards and bikes all using these small lanes all at varying speeds and most going as fast as they can.
I know I'm old, but growing up we used to cycle (no car in those days) - and my father drummed it into us that we had to dismount and push the bike if we were passing pedestrians. Dismount!! Who does that these days?!
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They're electric motorcycles, they should be licensed, taxed and insured like any other motor vehicle. We get the food delivery lot around here all the time, they're lethal 🤬
Looks like an illegal e-step scooter crossing the road at 3.48 too.
Unfortunately, there's no rules against these things being sold, even if they are illegal to use on public thoroughfares.
I encountered a couple of lads on stand up e scooters a few months ago going through a residential section of a main road, they were at a steady 30, 2 abreast using a mix of the road and adjacent cycle/ footpath. they overtook me probably at 40mph. As I followed them out of the village/ 30 onto a national speed limit A Road, i thought oh bugger, i’m going to have to negotiate them on an uphill overtake. How wrong I was, as we passed the national speed limit sign, they opened up, and were gone. I wasn’t even catching them at 60.
That has definitely been illegally modified, or is an illegal import: the rider was not pedalling at any point, and he was speeding! I think the throttle equipped ones can only go up to 15 mph on the flat?
The bottom line is its illegal. Its a motorbike that should be registered, taxed and insured. Its not a e-bike, its an electic motorbike. Its no different to comparing a combustion engine car to an electric car, the propulsion method is irrelevant, same Road Traffic and Construction & Use regulations apply.
No insurance, no registration, no driver's licence, lack of identification and accountability; the possible ramifications of this behaviour are many and serious.
IMO anything that drives on road should have insurance and some kind of plates to be identifiable.
Something needs to be done about this. I live in Leeds, and e-bikes are a plague. The Headrow is a pedestrianised shopping area, and these fools fly down the street, one day someone's going to get seriously hurt. The amount of times I've been nearly knocked off my feet in a pedestrianised area. It boils my blood, and no one seems to do anything about it because it's getting worse.
Agreed, however what you're describing is not an e-bike, it's an electric motorbike, which by law should have a licence plate, insurance, etc.
For anyone wondering a decent road cyclist will average between 15-20mph on a fairly flat route peaking out about 30-35 on the downhill. I wouldn't dream of hitting those speeds on a shared path.
01:12 Not the (motor)cyclist, but the white van in the rear view camera... he gets caught out in the outside lane when he sees his turning on the left. But it looks like he does correct observations and avoids side-swiping the cyclist. I'd say that observation saved the cyclist's life.
On the one had, I have long said, this is the kind of thing that will see new legislation and "spoil things" for E-bike users. On the other, How much better would it be if we all had one of these and kept the roads clear of cars?
There already is legislation limiing the motor assistance to 15.5 mph and max power to 250w. Ebike'ers want the max assistance raised to 20mph so they can keep up with traffic in 20mph zones.
Similar to e-scooters, these are already not road legal as the rider didn't need to pedal. I'm massively in favour of liberalising those laws to allow (lower speed) alternative electric transport like this, but people behaving in this way isn't going to help with public or lawmaker perceptions
I was directly behind something similar for about half a mile a few weeks ago. I kept a good 2s+ distance, but the amount of electrical interference coming off the thing was crazy- my radio sounded like a stir-fry. Are they all like that? Can't imagine it's healthy....
err thats not how it works, an electric car would have a 20x the interference if that were the case
I typically hear them making a whining type noise, without a radio being involved! My point being that if a component isn't working properly, the wavelength could morph into something the radio "picks up".
Electric cars are notorious for their harmful EMFs. It's just that that rarely makes the mainstream press cuz obvious
@@cornishalps9870 Well I imagine electric car engines have faraday cages to block most of it out. Most 2-wheelers probably don't.
As a pedestrian and ex cyclist, this is scary! Clearly illegal going 30mph on a pavement, no helmet or consideration for others.
This is the type of person who, if we’re driving a car. Would overtake just to get passed you but not get anywhere far because of the traffic lights.
to answer your last question, yes there is a person riding one of these on the shared path I use to cycle on, he comes past at speed and close. I feel he should be on the road.
your right about it being a motorbike. As for the pedestrian reactions however, you get that even on a normal bike. The amount of times i've cycled in a bicycle lane, passed someone whose walking in it at a slow speed only to be called many lovely names is many. Heck I've had one woman see me riding towards her in a bicycle lane at a cautious slow speed and T pose and side step giving me full on verbal diorama, Karen style. Sadly most pedestrians just hate cyclists because they are cyclists.
I'd say they hate cyclists because cyclists' actions have caused them fear. A normal response to fear is to try stop the incident happening again, to self and others. Hth
The motorcycle rider identifies as a cyclist.
All the more reason for keeping a look out, these things will creep up on you out of nowhere.
Yes, I give all footpath blind corners the presumption that some idiot is going to drive past that corner into me. At night in a car I watch especially for unlit darkened cyclists often on the wrong side of the road.
I love that his riding didn’t actually speed him up at all. You both still met up at the same intersection.
Yep, he's a motorcyclist. Everyone cycling an electric bike is technically a motorcyclist.
That footage needs passing to the cops before someone gets hurt.
They're not going to do anything - no 'evidence' of who it is.
Sadly even though this being legally considered a motorbike that needs registration and insurance, there's no identification here that will help the police track them down.
@G1NZOU I'm guessing the rider works locally and is likely to take the same route daily.
If the footage is handed to the police, I suspect they would catch the man in action, quite possibly at the same time of day.
And they will do what? The bicycle had no registration. Even if they find him, how caan they prove it was him cycling? Cops don't care about cyclists. Whilst on my bicycle saw a a cop drive past a cyclist with a child seat at night with no lights, they don't care.
@@DemiGod.. If the rider is caught riding the bike/motorcycle, it makes no difference if he admits to having done it before (as in seen in the video)
goes past on the pavement, that white line down the middle would make it a cycle lane, and yes it did look like people were using the cycle only lane.
Passed 1 the other night on a pitch black motorway (have Dashcam Footage), travelling on the hard shoulder. They are a menace. I cannot understand the mentality to drive one on the hard shoulder of a un-lit motorway in the dark.
The one the idiot was riding is classified as a motorbike under UK and EU Law, he was riding it illegally.
Given that it is a motorcycle, there is a whole string of offences there: No helmet, no VED, no insurance, possibly no licence, unregistered, dangerous driving (driving motorcycle on footpath). Enough to take his driving licence away if he has one.
part of the problem is that these motorized cycles tend to be ridden on the roads like they're motorbikes (yet they are completely unlicensed, untrained riders and un-insured) and then theyre ridden on cycle paths where they are a danger to pedestrians because of tehir speed and silent approach. They want the best of both worlds but end up being the worst of both worlds. Also , did anybody else notice how close they got to that cyclist at the start of the clip?
Same problems here, electric scooters as well - recently had one in the middle of the road, headphones on, oblivious so had to use my horn.
Government/Home office/Police say these are illegal, yet they did nothing about it except some failed local scheme to try and make money out of renting them ''legally''.
They are everywhere is Cardiff. The police are trying to crack down on it but it does very little. An e-bike should be pedal assisted and capped at 25kmph. Kit like these to add a motor to a bicycle shouldn't be allowed to be sold in the UK. When they are adapted in this way they become a motor bike and should be on the road, have a licence plate and insurance - like any other motoro bike.
I'm an avid cyclist and think e-bikes are fantastic, but these need to go in the bin.
As both a motorcyclist and a pedelec user this is an issue that needs to be corrected. I am constantly frustrated by people calling for the current speed limit on e-bikes to be raised, personally I believe that doing so would only encourage the further misuse of what you have correctly identified as an electric motorcycle. As the rules stand these types of machine can be used on our roads however those currently doing so do not want to go through the required processes and register or insure the bikes. The police need to deal with these unregistered motorcycles and privately owned e-scooters.
The fist time I walked in Sweden - I found a moped going past me at 30mph in the cycle lane that I'd found myself meandering into (it was late and dark).
Seems it's normal and accepted there.
Not going to lie, I didn't think it was a good idea.
It is not. You are allowed to drive mopeds class II, limited to 25 km/h, in cycle lanes, in Sweden. But idiots exists everywhere.
The problem is the Police aren’t bothered, I’ve witnessed a traffic police car with two officers in it ignore a scrambler bike (no helmet) on a roundabout where the Police car was giving way to it as it sped past. They just drove away slowly to a different exit.
Did anyone notice the white van from time stamp 1:15? It turns from the outside lane left into a side road.
I think it was because he was attempting to pass the "cyclist", but had to abort because of the speed he was doing. Probably a wise decision in the end.
Hi Ashley, here in Singapore they brought in new legislation a couple of years back to regulate these motor bikes - capping them at 25km/h but only after a couple of serious incidents. No excuses for the poor etiquette though, i just worry that they drive in the same way if they have a car.
E bikes can only go up to 15mph with motor assist, you must pedal also. He was on a illegal bike, because he did not pedal, and was using motor power only . and he should have more sense that to go so fast on a shared bike track with pedestrians.
A dog died because of one these twits near where I live. The guy on the bike fell over because he drove into the extended lead and fell on the dog 😢 if he wasn't going so fast he would have seen it. The dog walker had no chance because he doesn't have wingmirrors to see what's coming up from behind when walking along the path.
I've always said that if a car with an electric motor is a motor car, then a bike with an electric motor is a motor bike, whether or not it has pedals. Many years ago there used to be mopeds that had a petrol motor, but also pedals to assist them getting up hills, etc. They needed tax and insurance.
Yep, and the same argument of it encouraging less fit people to cycle could be applied to mopeds of old too.
Then the vast majority of the time people just rode them without peddling - just like these electric versions.
Electric bicycles don't have to be classed as motor vehicle if they go no faster than 15.5 mph and they cannot have a throttle that goes beyond walking speeds (to assist with walking it up ramps etc). All the power must be activated in response to pedaling, and cut off at the speed limit, at which point it becomes a regular bicycle.
There is already legislation in place that determines what point it becomes a motorcycle by law. The issue is, this legislation is not enforced, and it's difficult TO enforce without requiring all ebikes are fitted with license plates.
@@Hirotoro4692Seems easy enough to see that this is not a legal EAPC by its behaviour. What it comes down to is police on the streets actually investigating bikes that are clearly going unexpectedly fast on the level / up hill. It can't be enforced by cameras alone. Can't be done by controlling supply either as these things are trivial to assemble. There are also petrol versions and, of course, illegal "scramblers" are a problem everywhere.
Actually there is an education problem here, since many scrambler riders think they are legal if they are not on the "road" and this guy probably thinks his motorbike is legal because it's electric.
He hasn't pedaled at any point in the video, all of his motion is purely electric motors. That's very much an electric motorbike.
A friend and neighbour earlier this year was hit from behind at speed, on the pavement. Hit and run of course. E-bike. Consequence he's in a wheelchair and now we have to pay for care to help him shop and clean.
I'm an e-mountain biker but I must say what he was riding is effectively a motorcycle, he wasn't pedaling so it's a throttle control
On the Motorbike, that's 10K of offences, vehicle seized and destroyed. Over 20 points on a license so a ban. Plus the road offences.
I went for a 1 km walk today. 100 cyclists were passed before I stopped counting. 75 were committing offences. The other 25, I couldn't tell because there were never in a position to see. For example, the lights were green. At no point did I see any cyclist stop correctly for a red.
Then at the school, one parent turned up, no helmet, with a 2.5 kilowatt scooter. Completely illegal. No helmet. Either for him or the child. So you can add on child endangerment offences as well.
It's an illegal motorbike. But there are just as many idiots driving around in illegal cars, with no licence, no insurance, no MOT, cloned number plates etc. The issue is there's not enough police.
I thought he did slow down a bit for the pedestrian walking in the cycle lane, but not enough to be considerate. To be fair, these cycle lanes with a painted line separating pedestrian and cycle traffic are next to useless IMO, pedestrians are rarely considerate enough to watch out for cyclists and keep to their side.
There's a shared cycle path near me that I regularly get up to 30mph on. I tend to join the road when going faster, but sadly, even though I'm doing 40mph and it's a 40mph limit 'no overtaking' zone, I still get drivers trying to squeeze past.
As a cyclist, even on a shared path, there's no way someone should be doing any speed approaching even 25 mph. Pedestrians are too unpredictable, and it would be impossible to stop in time. As has been said before, that guy is not a cyclist. He should be treated as motorcyclist and be made to ride on roads and be subject to the rules we all have to follow when driving or riding.
At 30mph, without pedalling, that machine is outside the legal parameters for an "ebike" or electric bicycle. Legally it is an electric motorcycle requiring licence, registration plate AND insurance. How the police are supposed to enforce this, I have no idea
Those vehicles are almost silent as they whizz past pedestrians waiting for buses. What happens when you hold your arm out to ask a bus to stop and one of those e bikes come up from behind and as a result of arm sticking out to stop a bus the inconsiderate e bike rider gets forced off the foot path and into oncoming traffic. Pedestrians are not equipped with mirrors and some are deaf. That’s why cyclists must ride on the road!
That attempt at a joke got me thinking of the one I saw. "Tree fellers in progress" the sign said. I only saw 2 workers though.
I think you mean "Tree fellers at work" 😂