The Lead Guitar Sounds of Siamese Dream (The Smashing Pumpkins)
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- These are the pedals I used in my latest covers of Siamese Dream (by the Smashing Pumpkins) to emulate Billy Corgan's lead guitar sounds. This time we make it work with just pedals for playing live.
Notice how there's no Mutron Bipase?
Contents:
0:00 - Intro Jam
0:50 - Intro
1:05 - Today's Pedals
4:27 - Building the Pedalboard
6:01 - Building the Lead
8:19 - Blast Off
8:54 - Shhhhh
9:29 - Soma
10:05 - Bummer
10:38 - Bread Spread
11:12 - Ebow
12:11 - Ending
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Video on the Siamese Dream rhythm guitar sound and using post production - • How to Sound Like Siam...
Black Guitar:
2019 Fender American Professional Stratocaster w/ R/S/B Lace Sensors
Tuning - E Standard
Butterscotch Guitar:
2018 Fender American Professional FSR Stratocaster
Tuning - E Standard
Amp:
Marshall SC20C JCM800 in a Mojotone Bluesbreaker cabinet
www.mojotone.com/cabinets/vin...
Pedals:
Made by Mike '78 IC Muff - www.madebymike.co.uk/icmuff.shtml
Made by Mike DistII - www.madebymike.co.uk/dist2.shtml
EHX Microsynth - www.ehx.com/products/micro-sy...
Jordan Buzz Tone - www.mahoneyguitargear.com/buzz...
MXR Phase 100 - www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-phase-100/
Strymon Deco - www.strymon.net/product/deco/
Eventide H9 Max - www.eventideaudio.com/product...
JHS 3 Series Comressor - www.jhspedals.info/3-series-c...
Bass:
Squire Affinity J Bass direct
Gear for Recording:
Universal Audio OX
Steinberg UR-RT2 Interface
Logic Pro
Amplitube Custom Shop - Hudba
you even got the hair down
Makes you realize how much production Butch and Billy put into the recording of the album. Never in a thousand lives would I contemplate about using 6+ pedals for a lead sound. Makes me realize how much of a sonic architect Billy is. I suppose the less is more approach simply didn't cut it back then :) Now I understand why he was using a looper switcher on the Siamese Dream tour. You can see it in many videos. Such a crazy record. Soundwise totally unique. Almost a bit alien, really muddy sometimes - but it worked 100%. Funny that no band (at least to my knowledge) ever tried to use a similar sound configuration for their records. You wouldn't dare to get too close to Siamese Dream because it's so all encompassing and recognizable. The guys at EHX in New York probably keep a Billy Corgan altar with candles and a Big Muff in the middle :)
Yes they have even made a new orange pumpkin pi big muff.
right next to his David gilmour alter
Nevermind truly was a Nirvana Pumpkins album. Then, Siamese Dream was a Pumpkins Nirvana album.
@@Bossanovawitcha
Those are two pretty distinctly different albums.
@@CorbCorbin butch sewed them all together
SIAMESE DREAM is a perfect album
This is quite unexpected. I would never have arrived at this organisation of pedals to achieve this sound (and I would have failed massively had I tried). Brilliant and instructive. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it useful! It was a huge “aha” moment when I first heard it all together.
*Billy is the most under-rated axe man of all time*
Amazing video by the way
Underrated? Who tf says, he´s bad???
@@crowdsurfer77 Steve Lukather :o
Don't forget about Rocky George when you talk about under rated guitarists.
Yeah. He can play the guitar like crazy! But he is kind of a D-bag. That’s why he gets less respect. Just the truth.
Douche-Baggery and axe skills seem to be linked in some way haha@@chrisknepper5153
Thru the eyes of ruby!
This channel deserves way more subscribers
Thanks Anthony. Greatly appreciated!
Man I really don’t know how you don’t have a huge following this is so useful and in depth. Thank hou
Thank you! Glad you found it useful
@@EddieClark Hi Eddie, may I ask if you've tried using the setup in this video in a band/live context and, if you have, did it yield good results or did you find that you were a bit lost in the mix?
For your Melancholy cover, try “Here is no why” and “Bodies”. Thanks! Also, awesome tip on the Jordan Buzz Tone.
completely agree! these were literally the same 2 songs i was going to recommend. Love also has an interesting tone too, id like to see that!!
I love the Buzz Tone. It's part of my main board build as well (not just my Siamese Dream build).
"Here is no Why" is one I need to finish up. I recorded the solo for a short earlier this year.
czcams.com/video/wZd2durotvc/video.html
Perfect song picks
@@idfkisaacthe tone of love is an easy to get you need a super fuzz and a really wild flanger
Wow amazing sounds! Nailed it
This video is amazing, great job on researching this
Great video . Informative! Thank you😎
Crazy under appreciated guitar channel, subbed
i’m so lucky to have found this video, i was just looking for one
Very informative video! I’ve been listening to Siamese Dream since it was still fairly new, and I learned some things here. Thank you!
Ruby! Excellent vid and analysis on his tone
Finally a decent video on their sound! Nailed it!
Thank you so much for this Eddie. Much more complex than I thought. That sustain on the leads always blows me away.
This was great! Informative and awesome playing. I’ve added some pedals to the list.
Thanks so much for doing this video! I was working on a cover of Hummer and struggling to get that Siamese Dream tone but this video on the lead tone and the other one on the general Siamese Dream sound were so helpful - your covers are spot on too!
Highkey most informative video ever because of the examples and demonstration. You really had consistent demonstration of how applicable these pedals would be per situation. That’s what Billy considers with his gear
Just subbed! Thank you. Amazing tones!
that’s amazing
Holy shit, this is fukin amazing! You are nailing these lead tones! I love how in Billy's solos, the sustained 1 note holds and then the fuzz/synth/phase chokes it out in a fizzle of signal exhaustion...
Staggered this ain’t a bigger channel or more views at the minimum. Amazing band and a true masterpiece of the 90s. Really does make you miss the 90s
Thanks so much for this
Another amazing video. I love how you showed each pedal and explained them all, turning them on one by one. After all these years I never knew a compressor had this effect.
Thanks! I'm glad that video format worked. Compressors can be so useful in any scenario where you need long sustain.
Dude, you're amazing! I'm in some SP fan groups. I'll be sharing your channel in both groups. Highly informative!
Yeah I think I’ve replicated your sounds with a few changes to the choice of pedals. HUGE SOUND. Thank you so much and I’ve tested this live, it holds up really greatly
fantastic job man
Thank you!
I love it. Man, and I thought I was the ultimate Pumpkin fan. This is really helpful. Thanks for what I'm sure was a hell of a lot of work. I'm going to try to recreate this. I've got the right pedals, just not the specific make and models you are using. We'll see if I can get close. Thanks again. Great insight to a much beloved sound and album.
Dude! That’s some bad ass playing and tones
Appreciated mate!
Jeez, I was getting caught up with simply how well done your video is and then... and then 7:47. Glad I came across your channel after I've been thinking about SP's tones a lot lately. Awesome quality.
Thank you very much and thanks for watching! Hope it helped 👍
What a crazy creative and unusual approach, his signal chain is mind boggling until, it comes together. Then, there it is! I dont want to sound like someone else but there are things I love and would like to barrow from it. I remember seeing them play the whole album live Lalapalooza 1993 I think it was. All I can say is, I remember it being, dynamic, and intense, the vibes and feel, it was absolutely unreal. Some of his best work IMO. Thanks for this.
Thanks for watching! Glad to do this. 💪
Thank you for this
My pleasure!
Awesome, you actually taught me something, I like you
Thank you so much for this. You’re giving me Alton Brown vibes. Easy to pay attention too. Do more vids like this!
thankg god someone actually gave ALL THE PEDALS… ive been looking everywhere and I finally found it THANK YOU!!
No problem 👍
wow, you are really thorough. Just the kind of video I was looking for. If you did this type of thing for every(eh, most) 90s bands, I'm sure your channel would blow up. Good job.
Thank you!
pretty awesome, very interesting
Well this was slightly embaressing...you have literally just built my pedalboard. Only differences are a Diamond Comp Jr, a Mid-Fi Peace Gun in place of the Jordan fuzz and a Bad Stone phaser. You made me realise how much I owe to Billy's tones!! Great demo, thanks so much
would be very cool to see you do the Gish guitar tone
ADA MP-1!
Nice work, especially on the flange - Gonna make a fun lead sound with these tricks on my HX Effects
Damn that intro is fire!
Good stuff man, love this albums guitar sound. The Deco is the best pedal ever made!
Thank you! The Deco has been a mainstay on my board since the day I bought it and I don’t see it going anywhere any time soon 👍
Excelente 👌 gracias
Thanks eddie. You show us how to be, but in an affordable way. Thanks!!!
Loving that micro synth sound - loved it so much I’ve just ordered one!
How much you paid?
@@leob4403 about £180 in the UK at the time. Prices here have really gone up since then
@leogovan5076 mine just arrived today :) do you know what order of the pedal chain is?
New sub, great work here.
Best pumpkins Siamese Dream tones I’ve ever heard outside of Billy and Company. Great job bro!! Liked and subbed
Thank you! Greatly appreciated.
Amazing video. I would love to see a MCIS gear video.
Excelente explicación!!!! 🌟🎸😐
Muchísimas gracias y felicidades por tu canal ♥️✨👍🏻 está bien chingón.
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Hey Eddie, i came across your channel watching cover and I have to say you are doing Gods work, I really appreciate the effort you took to learn how all the little pieces fit together and you are the only guy I've found that goes into depth on how these all fit together. I really want to learn more and wanted to see if I could contact you in anyway
Thanks! What parts are you wanting to learn more about?
@@EddieClark How to produce similar tone or feeling in a DAW, or like how the vocals sound.
I also just bought all of the vintage Mellon Collie rack gear, but the Strategy 500 is in the shop being repaired as we speak. When I get it back, my first cover is going to be Porcelina for sure! Ruby I think is the second best song on that album. I’m more interested in playing the B sides of that album.
I've been checking out videos on this topic for a decade, and this is the First youtube ever, that TRUILY gets the tone right and accurately enough to use the STRYMON DECO - which is CRITICAL.
Instant credibility, subscribed.
YEEEESSSS!!
Awesome video dude! You've nailed those tones👏👏👏 Please can you do a video on Starla. Would be really interesting to explore all those reverse efects in the intro and that mad filtered solo.
Thanks! Appreciated! Starla has been requested a few times now so I guess I really should!
Is the buzz tone meant to simulate the Bloody Finger pedal used by BC?
No. The Buzz Tone is a close circuit to the fuzz that was pulled out of the MSA lap steel guitar. The bloody finger didn’t come around until well after Siamese Dream
Thanks! Great video @@EddieClark
These are amazing. I’ve been trying to get the Hummer and Cherub Rock solo sound for years, never getting all that close. Totally thought it was because I had no MuTron haha. The Deco is a great addition. Thank you so much for going to the trouble. Subscribed immediately. Think you’ll do a Mellon Collie rhythm / lead tone segment?
I find the dist 2 sound not only has a special way of hitting the front of the big mutt but it also on its own really captures for me the sound and low end subtle grit of the machine ii (2) album. Songs like vanity - that warm growling guitar- I get that from my Made by Mike dist ii.
Also the clean to grit transition of a riff like Drown- very easy to find that balance on the dist ii. If you are a pumpkins fan but aren't necessarily looking to cover / tribute their material, the dist ii really made me feel like I was racing on Billy's track - without stepping on his style too much.
Get a made by Mike Uk dream box, so much fun.
Please do Mellon collie lead tone next! This is the best video about the Siamese tone that exists
I will absolutely be covering MCIS as soon as I can collect all the necessary gear 👍
@@EddieClark Marshall JMP-1!
@@chriskareska4017 absolutely. It’s key
This is a video I’ve waited 25+ years for. Just ordered a Buzz Tone. May get the Bloody Finger instead of the Dist 2. Also looking at the Deco.
Would love to see a breakdown of some of their more modern clean wash tones such as Wound. Likely based around the same Selmer as Tonite, Tonite?
The other buzz tone demos I heard on youtube does not sound like this at all. Did you get this sound with it? The ehx satisfaction does not sound like it whatsoever
Best album ever
Interesting- I have the micro synth and don’t use it much because the notes don’t sustain long. I’m definitely going to try it with a compressor now. Thank you for sharing this
Glad to! Thanks for watching 👍
I have all of those pedals except they’re the original vintage pedals, I also have the earlier “Script” Phase 100. I even have a V4 and V5 big muff. The output on the V4 comes out much louder than the V5 for some reason, I actually love the V5 sound a little better. Of course I also had to get a JCM800 with KT88 tubes for that super clean tone to play them on.
Killer playing, man!
You definitely nailed all the little intricacies that make Billy's playing *so* expressive and exciting to listen to.
Also, I love the in-depth research that went into making this, especially as a huge Pumpkins fan.
Do you think I can approximate the tones you got with the Micro-Synth using a Pitch Fork? (the Micro-Synth is a little too expensive for me).
Again, huge kudos for the amazing work you did!
Thank you! Greatly appreciated! The best cheaper alternative to the Microsynth I've found is the EQD Bit Commander. The nice thing about the Bit Commander is you don't need the compressor for the longer sustain. The Pitch Fork will get you 50% of the way there though. Hope that helps!
dude your tone rocks, also for mellon collie i wanna hear An ode to no one and definitely JellyBelly
Jellybelly has been speaking to me lately.
First off, congratulations to Eddie for managing to nail these sounds - incredible work! You have gained a subscriber.
Secondly, does anybody have any experience of trying to use this setup (or similar) in a live context? How was it? Does (or did) your guitar shine through in the mix or does it just get lost in a mush of scooped fuzz? I know BC didn't use the Muff for live applications. In fact, I believe he mainly used rack gear for a long time when performing.
It’s amazing how close you’re getting to the lead sounds with the pedal board. I know they did a lot of post production tricks. Any chance of a tutorial on the Soma leads?
TBH - I'm not sure I'm good enough to be giving lessons but I would be willing to try if there's the interest
Yeah, lessons of sort would be great!
I’ve been playing for a long time myself and I’m a pretty decent guitar player but I feel you on that. Breaking it down is a whole other can of worms. That said, your arrangement was really cool and even a slightly slowed down, close in tutorial would be more than I’ve seen.
I made a helix preset for the cherub rock solo and it's a lot of the same effects you're using. I use their "retro-reel" and that's pretty much what the strymon is doing here. I have the synth running parallel at one point in the chain with the mix down to keep it sort of subtle. I have their mutron bi-phase model on there as well. I can't remember the exact amp model I'm using, it's either a JCM 800 or JCM 2000, with the drive up and a good amount of mids, and a treble booster into a big muff model. I can't remember if I put any other modulation on it. I might have done a chorus or a very slow flange set very low. I think I also used a wah set on one frequency with mix down to about 40 or 45 just to get some extra pop on the mids.
I am a Siamese zombie this s*** is cool 50 years later wow I love it.
cool
This was awesome! Now I just have to figure out how to get a Mellon collie guitar tone…
Thanks! I've been messing around with a JPTR Effects Katastrophe to get some MCIS type sounds. Any of the Marshall in a box pedals with a clean boost will get you in the ballpark. The pickup type matters more for the MCIS sound compared to SD. A humbucker or red Lace Sensor in the bridge is pretty critical for the MCIS high gain tones.
Fn killer, man.
I hope you can do another one for Pisces Iscariot tones.
Thank you! That's a good idea. I'd be interested in that.
@@EddieClark yeah mate, especially solos in Plume - I've tried 10 different phasers to get that lovely 'swoosh' sound when the notes stop holding, but apparently I'm doing something wrong...
Amazing videos! I am into the these videos! Great job and I am going to try the same thing. Your ear and knowledge of the pedals is great. Have you thought about doing a series on the other great 90s bands? How to sound like ....... I bet it would be a hit! In the meantime what does the H9 do in the chain? (are you using delay, reverb, pitch?)
Awesome.
About the phaser though, I'm not sure just any phaser would have the same effect. I've compared a vintage Bad Stone, Mutron Phasor II and MXR Phase 100, and the Phase 100 is definitely the one to go with on Siamese Dream. Especially Mayonaise.
Keeping the rate and color of other phasers can get you in the range but ultimately I agree with you. The Phase 100 is THE phaser for SD.
Thanks for watching!
@@EddieClark Thanks for making the videos. Very inspiring.
great video ! u even have the same haircut as billy lol
Wow, i just discovered your channel.
At this point I must ask you to examine the Plume solos :)
I'll look at it ASAP. Anything for another nak muay.
@@EddieClark ahaaha alrighty ;)
Amazing, in depth video Eddie, this is helping me a lot through my endless journey to nail the SP and specifically the SD sound. Thank you a lot!
Just a few questions if you don't mind... First, is there a specific reason you're running your dist2 AFTER the fuzz(es)? I'm currently running a Boss SD-1 (waiting for my MBM Dist2) INTO the op-amp fuzz to give it a more byte in the solos, but haven't tried the other way around. Second... do you think the op-amp fuzz would cut in a live situation with this settings, i.e. tone stack on and tone knob at 1 o'clock? I've always had the impression that switching the tone stack off would result in a rounder and more organic sound.
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby!
I uploaded a short just for you. Thanks for watching!
czcams.com/users/shortsGvnhd6RBXGA?feature=share
Where would the wah go in the chain? Love the video man 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks! The wha would go at the very start before all other pedals. 👍
Infinite Sadness tone next with only pedals
Also, the most illusive tone on that album to me is just that intro riff in Rocket. I definitely hear a subtle tape flange effect, especially in that last moment right before the drums kick in. But is it the MXR Dist II > Muff? Or was it just the Microsynth into a fuzz? I need to knowww!
Where in the chain is your deco? Killer video, subscribed!
I had it at the absolute end of the chain in this video but on my actual board, it's before the Eventide. I don't find it makes a huge difference on a mono board like in this video. However in stereo operation, I prefer the Eventide last because it doesn't mix down the stereo signal coming in to mono before applying it's own stereo effect (as the Deco does).
If you listen to the audio in my "Soma Sound" video, that was recorded with the Eventide last.
Great video quality.
What camera were you using?
Thank you! I use a Sony A6500 with a Sigma 24mm 1.4f. Voice audio is handled separately with an off screen condenser mic
Love the video, very clearly done. I went out and bought the pedals I didn't have. Do you use the Buzz tone with the switch flipped up towards you or toward the ground? The volume jumps way up on one of them. With the settings I see in the video for everything I sometimes have issues getting whale scream sounds when the strings aren't silenced between notes.
Thank you! It's a very noisy lead chain at times. Especially when the Microsynth is not on (it gates your signal). I have the switch pointing down most of the the time with Buzz Tone.
Sometimes the what scream sound just doesn't want to happen. I get that as well periodically.
On the topic of the ebow, how about stand inside your love, (or effects wise) the rhythm for "by starlight"
Is the capistan and the strymon deco the same bc billy used that one i dont rembember where i saw that but it was in that stompland video where he shows all his pedals
hey its the i love my mom guitar!
Can't play Gish songs without a Yellow Strat!
Hi, I have been playing a lot of Machina lately, one of my fave albums and I can't seem to find the website for the smashing pumpkins sound/gear archive anymore. Any links or info you have regarding Machina's shimmering chorus sounds and such? Btw, imploding voice is such a fun song to play :)
Hi Eddie. Great and instructive video. Just wondered if you had any thoughts on a similar replacement for the Distortion 2, now Made by Mike isn’t making pedals anymore? (Apart from the MXR distortion 2 obviously).
Thanks in advance.
Great tips to either add or tweak.
Do you have a Bury Me cover.
Bury me in gear guitar sounds, slight pun 😅
Question? Which of these pedals would be used for the leads on the song Today?
I'll have to double check when I'm reunited with my gear next month but I suspect it's the buzz tone, distortion ii and wha
@@EddieClark Thankyou
I’m the guy who posted a comment on your Reddit video. About getting closer to the cherub rock solo tone. My buddy and I are starting a little smashing pumpkins jam band in the bay area. Let me know if you end up moving to the bay area because then you’ll be one of the 2 guitars in the band. Hahh. (As you know, to really do SP justice, you need 2 guitars!). 🤘. Actually, when we play live, I’ll just fly you down as a guest guitarist to join us. Ha ha Ha
Pick the right day and I'd probably be into that 🤣
@@EddieClark btw I sent you a chat on your Reddit account, not sure if you’ll get a notification. Anyway, lmk if your down for connecting. I’m obsessed now with getting this full setup so I’ll be striving for the right settings. (So many dials…Hahh)
Thank you for going so in depth on your videos. The buzz tone seems to be the missing ingredient. I was wondering if you have any recommendations for an alternative to the Dist2? Thanks again, would love to hear XYU from MCIS.
No worries and thanks for watching!The Dist2 is the best way really. The MXR Distortion + works ok in a pinch.
Hi fantastic video!
Do you have an idea about the compressor pedal he used during Siamese Dream? Sometimes I can read DOD FX84 Milk Box, but I think it has been released after
Eddie, just purchased the Deco and the micro synth, any chance of showing the exact parameters of the 2 pedals for this sound? Thank u
i know its kinda popular but i would love to hear zero or thru the eyes of ruby
Interesting approach, I wonder, if an OP Muff RI into a Behringer Bi-Phase would sound more accurate with way less pedal use. ;)
Two questions:
-how does Billy’s big muff pi pedal compare to the other fuzzes you’re using?
-your signal chain… order and are you going through just the front of the amp or just muff in front and effects rear?
Huge fan of pumpkins! I’ve been using a slightly mod.ed jcm900, phase 90, mod.ed line 6 MM4 which has the mutron bi-phase and billys muff pi by EH. I’m not trying to be a tone chaser but the sound on Siamese is one of the greatest ever recorded and I’ve been chasing this sound for years. Crazy thing is, I hated pumpkins when they first came out and Today was on MTV every 5 minutes.
If you watch this video (czcams.com/video/DImXRZ_ebCI/video.html) you'll hear the SUF Pumpkin Pi played. This is the closest to the SD Muff in my opinion.
All the pedals are going into the front of the amp. I am not using the amp's effects loop. The Muff is the first effect in the chain then it goes into the loop switch box (not to be confused with an amp effects loop). In the loop box are the rest of the pedals in the order I described.
Hope that helps and thanks for watching!