What Is Up With The Brutal Black Project ? Ritual or Torture?
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
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Today we are talking about what is up with The Brutal Black Project. The Brutal Black Project is an intense experience created in Europe by two men who value facing your fears head on over aesthetics. The Brutal Black Project is something thats very difficult to wrap your mind around why people would want to do this but for some The Brutal Black Project is a freeing experience. I'm getting into all that today! Enjoy :)
0:00 Introduction
1:09 Brutal Black Project Creation
4:08 Michela Bottin
5:41 Sadomasochism ?
6:17 Controversy
10:37 Valerio's Side
12:18 Ritual Tattooing
14:43 Final Thoughts
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I watched the documentary on these guys tattooing and seemed to me like Valerio was more interested in legally torturing people and not for the art.
Yeah it’s hard to not see it that way!
Whats the name of the doc? I'd like to watch it
@@TM-tl6do type in vice brutal ritual of tattooing
@@TM-tl6do it’s 14-15mins long but feels like a lot longer.
Quite possibly true but people pay professionals to inflict pain on them in various forms and if that's what they want then it's up to them. 🤷♂️
I find it really crazy that they have this whole “embrace pain until you are vomiting and screaming. It’s an intense experience most people will never go through kinda thing”. I had a baby. I spent hours screaming in pain while my body was literally split open and torn from the inside out. It speaks volumes that the people inflicting this sort of pain are men, and believe that it’s so special. It’s really not. Talk to any fucking women who’s been through childbirth.
We get it you had a baby stfu it's not that bad lmao
I was looking for a comment like this. You nailed it.
I'm not a man and I've had some brutal black tattoos experiences. It's not just about physical pain. It's about externalizing something. It's not about something that nature gives you. I'm not saying it's special, this isn't about being special or feeling special, quite the opposite. It's not all about physical pain. But you don't understand, and it's a little difficult to explain.
Oh hear comes the brave women lmfao calm down hun. 1st of all you women know that having a kid is painful so don’t complain abt it, Maybe stop hoeing around?! 2nd there are men in the armed forces who takes bullets and still shoot at enemies. Women could never in there life get shot and still have enough strength to shoot at other enemies so stop acting like your this all high and mighty because you guys have kids. Men can deal with pain better if it comes down to there life!!
Are you gatekeeping pain?
Some people use excessive tattooing as a form of self harm. This is terrible, it's preying on people who fall into this category
I completely agree with you
Was going to say the same. There’s a very small part of myself that really relishes in the pain of a tattoo (finding it calming) and I would be scared of letting myself indulge in that or having other people convince it would be good to indulge in that
enter #ggallin
What some people consider self harm is actually a form of therapy. Would you otherwise suggest that those people cut themselves? Tattoo is not self harm. Period.
@@NotoriousBroadcastsey said SOME people use it as a form of self harm, which is simply true and has been noted before. Two things can be true at once. People also self harm with food, that’s what food addiction is and why there are therapists that specialize in it. But most people see food as an important aspect or culture and pleasure. Just because some people self-harm by eating obscene volumes of food, does that mean all of us should stop eating? No. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that for some people, it can be harmful. You’re speaking very simplistically about a complicated topic.
The missing piece is there is no clear goal or cut off point. Most rituals had specific goals not seemingly infinite ones.
Really, most rituals huh? Where you getting these facts buddy?
@@bigbadsauce92 Study some anthropology and get back to me. Ritual is usually just a fancy term for formalized tradition. Stunningly these things typically had practical reasons for existing. Modern people have the time to waste like never before….figure it out
I’ve seen 3 Japanese tattoo artists work on 1 client for hours at 2 days in a row at a convention and it was skillful, composed and completely in sync with the people involved. It was not bloody, not a BDSM trip but actual tattooing. The brutal project is not an art project as the skills performed have nothing to do with tattooing technically
You’re allowing those people to express their anger and pure emotion through instinctual motions to you. There’s nothing more artistic than that
@@y0urmak3r get a therapist and touch some grass
I completely agree. It’s about pain. The fact there are tattoos are secondary
You're being this snob trying to dictate what constitutes good and bad art... As if there is such a thing.
Some things are to your taste, somethings aren't.
The brutal black project is... Brutal. It's expresses something a little spicier than a few flowers.
It's a testament to the will of the individual, you see this person who's gotten the ink and know you're in the presence of a hardcore mother fucker. There's no question that this person fucks!
I think this ignores more contemporary forms of art, art isnt always about skill it can be about a message or about emotions or feelings. This is the case with brutal black.
I honestly don't care about the adults consenting, I will always think it's weird that these men, esp Valerio, seems to get so much enjoyment out of hurting people. That's where my concern comes in. I am open minded, I understand wanting to push yourself, and I think that's admirable. However, there's just something about the project that doesn't sit right with my gut.
It feels like consent with no boundaries. Consent by definition has to have boundaries.
Yeah, the "no pain, no gain" philosophy sounds like my childhood boys' PE coaches, who tortured children with dodgeball (impact play), running laps around football fields in 100 degree heat, taught swimming by "sink or swim" methods (which almost drowned me), and made boys do pushups with feet up on stage, until vomiting was induced. Boys' PE was boot camp for children, for future enlistment as soldiers during the Cold War.
@@ErinShellyMason exactly!
@@ErinShellyMason Ofc there's boundaries, more than you'd find in some other kinky scenarios. You can say "stop" and get up from the table at any time. It's not like a CNC situation.
@@darlalathan6143 I think the difference is that it's forced on kids.
In my opinion someone who thinks "I'm going to these two men who I don't know to let them torture me for hours" is automatically not in the right state of mind and can't fully give consent!
YES exactly!
@@UtLured Well.... they don't need to be mentally ill necessarily, there's some people that are just dumb or make stupid impulsive decisions that regret later, and maybe not, who really knows right..?
@@youknowimright1725 I never said anything about mental illness
@@Astroniia Welll given the context of the conversation and the comments about the "right state of mind" it can be interpreted this way, but you're right you didn't directly said they were mentally ill, but just saying
Huh, I’m a sound of kind, well functioning professional who’s schedule to get this project done on me and I find your narrow minded shaming of people like to be extremely insulting. 🖕
Valerio says in the post he’d never go off on a client but in the FIRST MINUTE of the video HE says he “insults” them and screams at them “stay down! What tf are you doing?!” If he’d lie about that, who knows what else he does to people that he lies about. Big no from from me 👎
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I mean, it sounds like you and him have two very different ideas of what "going off" on someone means. His idea sounds more like a drill Sargent.
this isn’t the first or only case of someone finding legal ways to torture people. i find something especially unsettling about finding legal loopholes to hurt others.
I'm not too sure this would hold up as legal in court.
Like that f’d up McKamey manor guy? There is a special place in hell for him and these tattoo “artists”.
Spot on. Well said.
Umm loopholes are what makes the world go round.. if we didn't find them we all be sitting in rooms staring at small screens held in our hands.. laws would keep us from doing anything..
Loophole?
I find this whole thing hypocritical because the artists doing it havent endured this pain they dish out. I would never do something to someone else that I havent had done to me
Its hypocritical that they lecture about the importance of taking the pain, and how its supposed to be a ritual, but could not handle criticism.
@@vh6772ey also know good and well that what they’re doing isn’t the spiritual ritual they’re pretending it is because they defend it by citing ancient cultures they aren’t part of and have been bastardizing. If it were really a spiritual experience in and of itself, they’d be able to say that instead of saying that it’s okay to torture people because such and such ancient culture that has nothing to do with them did it too. It’s a game of “what about” ism.
Really ? Because they both have black work too.. maybe there are more black work techniques than that. I don't really know about these ones
I had heard BBP had no safe word, I cannot remember where, and I could be incorrect. But I vividly remember as a member of BD SM being HORRIFIED at the idea of there being NO safe word to stop the tattoo if you truly need to. The idea it's up to these guys if you can take more pain or not is a nightmare.
Even in the doc they straight out say that it's up to the client whether they stop or continue.
Exactly! It's the rumors of their problematic pack of consent that's bothering me, not how they practice tattooing.
@@skatergurljubulee same for me.
@@sorenjensen3863 but also say people are held down and screamed at. So that's not allowing people to stop.
@@Preservestlandry held down yes, screamed at? No
Watched that video before watching this. Valerio held the guy down and shoved those needles in deeper than necessary right on his head and ribs, two of the most painful places to get tattooed. He was grinning while doing it. I'm referring to 5:07 and 9:51 of that video specifically. At 4:15-4:17 you can see they've done this to private parts of some individuals.
Edit:
When a tattoo is done for ritualistic reasons there is a sacredness to the experience. In certain cultures you agree on the pattern before hand and where it will be done. In others, you chose the place and the tattoo artist picks the design. No tattoo ritual that I know of approaches it as purposefully belittling the one getting tattooed. There is an air of respect for the one about to conquer a great pain, not mocking.
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On thing that happened in ancient egypt if I can recall pregnant women would get this dots of a 'net' tattoo on their stomachs done. (there were mummies with tats!) and the theory is that they did this to help protect the baby as it grew, creating a web or protective net over the stomach. Its pretty interesting. And nothing like this, which seems to be a dick-measuring contest. (Yes this includes women.) Plus an egotistical manic in the form of Mr. No english.
I literally went “eughhhhhhh” out loud no nonjononono
The ribs are not a painful place to get tattooed
Where is mocking in the grin? You don't know what goes on in his head when he did that? Could be masochism, could be the purpose of the mission, could be many things
I am in my apprenticeship and this is so far past anything that should be acceptable. I’m usually open minded but this is straight up dangerous. I don’t really care that the tattoos have no meaning and the “artists” can tattoo wherever they want, or that they are doing large scale blackwork. I care that they are holding them down, that these people try to leave, that they are cutting their clients up, they only stop for crying and puking, the participants are losing a lot of fluid, there is a huge risk for infection, shock, and prolonged trauma both mentally and physically. It’s not okay, your goal as an artist should not be to push anyone this fucking far.
Like I'd be ok with it myself if it was certainly more consent focused in cases like that. As in, taking breaks if they start losing too much fluids, if the pain is too much after awhile. Like, people can and do want this sort of thing, but there needs to be a threshold of allowance at all times, regardless of who it is or how macho they went into it. What Valerio is doing is torture and crosses consent lines when he holds down people who REALLY WANTS to leave and yelling.
Like, no doubt he gets clients who are masochistic in nature and like that, but like... certainly not everyone. :/
@@CrowCoded my threshold is a bit before you, and let me tell you why. Prolonged excessive pain, even consentual excessive pain--especially once they are losing a lot of fluid--puts them at extreme risk for an abnormal heart rhythm, breaks or no. They've also long crossed the line into medical shock, and that can be and is dangerous to anyone. I also worry because a non-zero number of people have undiagnosed murmurs, etc.
It's more the shock, though. That can go south pretty fast, I've had it happen to me, actually.
Also, consent is infinitely revocable, meaning it's on the table every minute the client is there. However especially once that client is shaking and crying and being yelled at and pushed down, that is a MASSIVE power imbalance which I would argue fucks with consent dynamics a good bit.
@@Kimmaline I did not know the shock thing actually! I didn't know that happened.
I love that Valerio literally denied acting the way he did to the client when he is literally filmed in the first 2 minutes of the vice video saying that he does indeed yell at clients and gets really aggressive even going as far as to curse at them and hold them down he says. These are his own words, no one misrepresented him.
Also Cammy literally says they want to make people look like "savages" and then proceeds to talk about tribal tattoos and how they want it to look similar. I'm sorry but if you actually listen to these men speak, you can tell they aren't in this to help people in any way whether it be through change or whatever they try to hide it with. I am so open to things like this and actually love this style, when done safely but the vice doc isn't the only thing that shed a bad light on them, you can literally listen to either of them speak and see that they don't care about those on the table (and possibly enjoy the pain of others)
That comparison to tribal don't sit right with me as someone with only tribal tattoos. Especially in the same breath as, "savages." Yikes.
@@micro-babe it rly shows these two guys' perception of tribal tattoos as something aggressive and out of some sortof uncontrolled passion when tribal tattoos are spiritual and thought through and so much more.. i dont think people who arent part of a culture that has traditional ancestral tattooing customs (or havent experienced the culture and the tattoing process) can fully understand what tribal tattoo encompasses emotionally, spiritually, and culturally (especially when a strong sense of love and community is present for a lot of these traditions) myself included!! to see these men try and replicate what they think tribal tattoing does by torturing others is disgusting and apalling and completely plays into harmful stereotypes
these guys just use torture for their personal gain (psychological??) while using the guise of tribal tattoos..
Yeah. They seem like the kind of people who have to top everyone and show off. I bet they're real annoying to play scrabble with.
@@vealcnt thank you
As someone who has self harmed severely, all over my body for years I gotta say this makes me feel very uncomfortable. I can't quite put it into words but the look of the tattoos really reminds me of cuts I have done to myself and the fact that they are purposefully causing distress... I don't know man there are far too many parallels for this to be okay.
YES some of the lines reminded me a lot of SH scars 😣
Exactly!! I'm literally lattered in scars from years of cutting, (to where I have to fully cover myself not to be stared at or openly asked uncomfortable questions) and these actually gave me sympathy pains to look at! These people are already hurting, and he's exploiting it because hes got masochistic or sociopathic tendencies and he's getting off on the power, control and pain he's inflicting on people!
@@jodyariewitz7349 you mixed up sadism and masochism, i think 😅
I agree with the lack of connection. It's very possible that the Mayan traditions were just painful because of the lack of technology. I also am conflicted given my personal ancestry. My ancestors were tortured and branded, but here we have two men popularizing a traumatic tattoo practice for the "experience". I know it's consensual but it doesn't sit right with me. And the fact that they aren't native to these cultures, but are using the traditions as validation for their practice... I'm going to have to pass on "The Brutal Black Project". I love blackwork tattoos actually, but this specific experience is a no for me. 🙈
This! You said my thoughts perfectly. Not to mention that to sit there and put someone through that pain and actively make them keep going even as they're screaming and crying and bleeding takes a special kind of fucked up.
100% agree!
EVERY culture has tattooing in some form. And, everyone is "native" of somewhere. Everyone also had ancestors suffer bad shit, including torture, branding, etc. But it happened to them, not YOU. Ur trying to play victim with a crime you personally never suffered. All ur doing is playing semantics with a woke spin on it. GROW UP ! If we White people started bitching about people appropriating our culture 90% of the world would be running around naked, starving, homeless and even more ignorant than they are presently.
The “not being native to those cultures” isn’t necessarily the case, as as far as i saw valerio never mentioned the mayans, that’s an example this youtuber brought forward, but ritualistic tattoos were a thing all over the globe.
A man around 5.000 years old was found in germany a few years ago, and he had over 50 tattoos on his body, which antropologists are thinking could have been a form of acupuncture, due to their positioning...
So ritualistic tattoos or tattoos used as a form of healing were a thing in europe as well, even in such ancient tribes
@@sarads7877 Even though ritualistic tattoos are found everywhere, there call out the techniques of the Mayans specifically. I’m sure different cultures had different techniques and maybe some were less painful than others. But they found a specific culture that had a more painful process and used that as the reasoning. Not a man from germany who had acupuncture like tattoos which honestly sounds like stick n poke nowadays.
Their use of the word primitive in the context of this tattoo practice is definitely a red flag for me (among other things). This whole thing sits in a very weird area of discomfort where I feel like I have to fundamentally reject someone who enjoys inflicting pain on someone else but I also know that just because I dont understand something doesn't mean it's wrong and this has clearly been a very meaningful and powerful experience for a lot of the people involved in this.
When I saw the documentary the first time, one thing I noticed is that when they show one of the walls full of pictures of participants, there was a woman that had total blackout in her genitals and the inside, that was super shocking. I'm not very sensitive but it is definitely hard to watch. Is not just what they do, but also the atmosphere created by the entire production. Also, if you are very empathetic, even though it's supposed to be consented, it's hard to watch Frankie whom at one point is completely miserable.
This is one of the photos that stuck out to me. Like how would they have even decided to tattoo her there? And since the project doesn't include planning out a tattoo beforehand did they just strip her or was she already naked? Did she try to get out of it and was possibly held down like the guy in the video? So many questions 😞
Yikes that sounds like some really bad SA situation 😬
Ah, so they're sexual sadists too .. again, serial killer type shit, but they have 'consent' so won't get arrested. Smart psychopaths.
Frrr.
Like the skin is HELLA sensitive down there it would defently tear some spots the cl!t is the most sensitive part
Not to mention that the client can't even choose no-go spots. They choose it themselves and tge client is helt down.
I'm hoping that the client didn't mind because if she then this is defently rape...
The guys inflicting pain haven't done it themselves. Enough said. Bullies and cowards.
As someone who has a history of self harm, this seems nearly identical to it, the adrenaline after and the pride or sense of identity is def something that also is prominent in those who sh, this practice is just awful and those who participate should get psychiatric help.
This. It's basically cutting wtd
I've always loved the way blackwork looks, but there are definitely easier ways of getting it done. I guess it just depends on what kind of experience you're looking for. Different strokes for different folks!
Exactly. I prefer the brutal approach.
Imagine trying to heal a tattoo that is essentially over your entire body! I’d be out of commission for an entire week
How would you even go about healing something like that 🤔
Just a week?
Right? So many open wounds as it doesn't seem like they are being careful.
Lots of stuff was done including female genital mutilation and human branding of slaves etc. Doesn't make it okay. People who have been the victims of abuse will often be attracted to reenacting their abuse. I think they would be better off with therapy myself. This seems to be an attempt to legitimize sadistic abuse. It may not be illegal but I would not want to associate with someone who wanted to do this to another human.
There is something very off about them equating "tribal" with "primitive" and "savage." Their whole process screams McKamey Manor vibes which are bad for obvious reasons.
Gosh, yes!! It is just like the McKamey Manor guy!
this applies to anything in life : if someone is going into an experience saying "i don't want to be allowed to tap out" you don't listen to them because they are either reckless and will regret it or just want to hurt themselves by allowing someone with no morals to do it for them. it applies to everything, whether it be some tough dude saying they don't want an anesthesia for 2 stitches, someone who wants to train till exhaustion under duress, sex, bdsm and litterally anything else including tattooing. it doesn't matter whether the people are happy with the result or not. it is unethical and immoral to inflict someone pain And body modifications AGAINST THEIR WILL. consent is a temporary and can be revoked at all times.
so you can revoke it after the event has happened? smart
I would feel better about this if I knew for sure that they used a safeword and that they have someone present who is somewhat medically educated. It would be bad if someone went into a shock state or experienced psychological trauma if a line would be crossed. There is also no clear point of completion which is something i believe is inherent in a ritual or rite of passage.
As someone who's lives with occipital neuralgia or "suicide migraines", experiencing pain on an unimaginable scale for over 20 years, I can say that pain can be a teacher.
But at the same time, I would not wish it on my worst enemy, nor can I imagine having physical scars associated with that pain lasting forever as a reminder.
This world is sick, and they're lots of sick people in it, I recommend keeping your head down and minding your own businesses.
Imo stuff like this is the snow falling on top of a Mt. Everest size iceberg of a broken society; that is western culture.
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Oh hey occipital neuralgia buddy, I have trigeminal too. I imagine you've had nerve blocks before 😓 Have you found your pain tolerance is fucked up now?
I had a kidney stone in 2020 and didn't go to the doctors for a week, just sat with the pain because it wasn't anywhere near my usual head stabs so I figured it can't be serious. Now I'm careful to check any injuries like a mildly sore toe just incase it's mangled and I haven't noticed 😅
@@chequeplease hey buddy, I actually haven't gone the nerve block rout or anything main stream or western, as it sounds absolutely barbaric, like cutting out face nerves.
That said, yes my pain tolerance is completely F'ed up. I was recently getting PT for another injury, and the therapist was shocked at my unmoving nature during hard tool work breaking up scar tissue. In fact I almost find there's some interesting crossing happing with my pain, I almost like it now, anything but the head pain, as you said, is laughable. I broke my shin in complete half a few years back, was nothing, I'd take that twice a year over headaches. Certain body parts you will still feel it bad though, like your hands, I stuck my thumb in a table say the other year, that was pretty bad frankly, so I'm not too concerned 😆 about the functionality, but the small stuff, never gets sweat now, if I ever get out of this I'll be F'ing bullet proof you know 😉
I've made a lot of progress last few years, if I had any recommendations to you I'd say look into Orthotropics (mewing) and find yourself a good Myofscial Craniosacral massage person.
On a side note I was thinking about all this on the subject of "Pain"
Pain is there for one reason, to tell you something's wrong; so, what's wrong with these people?
@@PhiTonics I had a similar feeling about nerve blocks but I ended up getting one so I could do my exams. It turned out to just be an injection haha I think it's anaesthesia and a steroid so it only numbs the nerve signals temporarily. I get botox (no muscle tone=no nerve signal)on the NHS now along with anticonvulsants which work better than anything else I've tried, but it's pretty intense and yep, brutal at times. It's not a forever cure for sure.
Stubbed toes still suck!! So do paper cuts 😅
I was looking into mewing recently and have been speaking to a maxillofacial specialist, it's very encouraging!
On your last point, my theory is that people who are masochists like this haven't experienced true nerves on fire style pain. True nerve pain doesn't have a healing process like skin or bone pain, it might never go away and it's the purest form of pain. I don't really think anyone is going to hurt themselves in a way that causes that type of nerve pain, I've never seen of it lol. There's no 'benefit' like a badass scar or ability to show machismo by fighting through the pain. You can only really lie down and think about nothing at all because everything is pain. Wheres the fun in that?
Pain does not teach me shit. It just makes me want to not live the moment I wake up in abject pain. Oh! I must be experiencing some existential Ur pain back to my “primitive” ancestors whatever the fuck that means. Wypipo
I would put a lot of money on those two artists not being able to take pain like they’re portraying they can. I’d love to give them a go.
Neither of these men have given birth lmaooo
So you are just as sick, okay
@@DanielleStarryNo men have given birth 😂
They're cool designs and I understand the ideology behind it; like "it looks cool and I endured a lot to have it finished (almost to the point where it's against my will)", but I could get the same tattoos done with a lot less painful technique so this all definitely looks like a hazing/ritual to get into the "club".
Which technique exactly?
probably working on a few sections at a time and taking weeks of rest in between to allow the skin to heal property instead of tattoing the whole body in one go, and using smaller/lesser needles.
@@Havenly87 this. And it's generally better for the body to heal the tattoos this way anyway. I have large identical black and grey pieces on both my legs that were done by the same artist. Although both looked the same fresh, the left side where we had to take a six month break in between looks crisper than the right leg which I had to sit seven hours for. The difference can be seen just a year after.
@@Rhaphidophile absolutely. Your body can't focus on healing so much skin at the same time, that's also why it's not recommended to get multiple piercings at once.
Now, imagine getting open wounds all over your body in one sit? These people don't take into account the incredible risk of infection and how extremely sensitive their skin will become, and the increased risk of melanoma due to sun exposure with such sensitive skin. I get wanting a cool experience and blah blah but I don't know if it's worth it once you sit to think about the risks.
@@Havenly87 the pain getting tattooed is the bareable part 😂 can't even begin to imagine the itch and aftercare
Looks like a new way of self harming to me 😅 but with black ink instead of scars
Some look like self inflicted cuts, ngl.
Yea I thought that too
Tell me you’re a sadomasochist w/o telling me you’re a sadomasochist 🙄 also these ppl are no different then the guy on ink master that wore those overalls and had a client go into shock and he’s like “I’m a marine this would never happen to me” uh okay buddy
i think there’s something liberating or spiritual about pushing yourself to your limits but i could never let someone get off on inflicting me pain
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The fact that the one guy called the process "primitive" and "ignorant" threw up a huge red flag. His motivations and reasoning seem, at best, confused.
The end result looks awesome, I’ll give them that. The emphasis on the pain of the process gives me the same energy as the “lesson learning” in the Saw franchise
As someone who’s gone through an immense amount of pain with no end in sight (I took a large amount of lsd and each of my nerve endings felt like a burning hot barbed needle violently stabbing my soul and trapping it in my body, and it lasted what felt like days on end), I don’t really understand why the hell anyone would want to experience that kind of unbearable pain to the extent of vomiting. It’s truly a horrific experience, and frankly even if someone wants it I think it’s immoral to willingly inflict that on another person. To each their own I suppose, but I just can’t think that it’s healthy to go through that (either as an artist or a subject), and I would expect it to leave you with long term negative health effects
Why did LSD cause nerve pain? I took quite a few big doses of LSD in my past and never felt any sort of nerve pain from it. I’ve had super intense moments of disassociation and even moments of feeling outside my body connected to the universe, I had moments of quite intense fear and feeling like I was going to stay in that moment forever but never pain. How much do you have to take to feel literal nerve pain. I mean I took well over 10 plus doses a few times. Are you sure you weren’t actually taking some sort of research chemical. From what I understand the vast majority of seized acid/lsd is not really lsd anymore. It’s been that way since the bunker got raided a decade plus ago. My experiences were all in the late 90s early 2000s.
@@davidsandlin9686 It was pretty cold out, I think I was feeling numbness and pain from that which was then heightened to an extreme degree by my brain. We tested it and it came up as acid but who knows, it was gel tabs and it was like 6 times as much as I had ever done before
you dont know pain
The documentary about these dudes disturbed me and it made me think about it often because you had to consent to letting them do whatever they wanted to you, it felt like consenting to be tortured, it truly made me squirm.
I saw a video on the Brutal Black project many years ago, and unsettling is right. I had the same opinion then, they're sadists. The joy the Italian man got from it was obvious and I got horrible vibes from them both when I saw it. I think what he said about it being technical is BS. They're violent scratcher tattoos, and you can see the horrible scarring people have after getting them. All that blood, no clean lines or designs, plus blowouts and scarring, there's nothing technical about, it except that it's technically torture. It always bothered me that they make a point of how consensual it is, yet they hold the people down and they have no say in any part of the tattoo, like their face being done, the design, or taking breaks (before their body's nearly in shock). Waiting to stop until they're crying or puking is insane, their body has already been suffering in extreme distress by that point. I think tattoos should be about the art and this feels so abusive. We don't know the mental state that everyone who's done BBP has been in, and I worry some may have done it just to hurt themselves, or perhaps they've been abused and thought they can take back power by choosing to do this. Even though they consent, it just feels like the men are abusers getting their 'supply' from the power and control they exert over the clients, and likely from inflicting brutal pain, but in a legal way; sounds like a sadist's dream. There're other ways you can push your body to the limit and get an endorphin or adrenaline rush, like the amusement park, extreme sports, or even a hard workout, to name a few.
I'm from the north of Italy, I walked the streets of the city in the video, Pavia. The way the tattoo artist uses the word "ignorance" implies something that is purposely lacking rationality, as well as knowledge. It is both a lack and a refusal of knowledge and rationality. Usually "ignorance" and "ignorant" are used this way to represent a crude (sometimes crass) style in art or music (for example talking about "suono ignorante" = "ignorant sound" in house or metal music) not a way to treat people.
From what I experienced, there is a dark side in Northern Italian culture where a desperate search for meaning and roots can drive some more right/conservative- oriented people into a false mythology of our pre-romanic roots that celebrates, as the guys said, violence, brutality, and ignorance. They think they are re-connecting to some phantomic Celtic origins while they are making up rituals on the spot. The sacrality of pain has a lot more to do with the Catholic tradition that Italian tattoo artist grew up in, than with lost primitive religions.
This is very insightful, thank you Annarosa!
i think you got it. this explains it very concisely.
I do think this tattooing process has way more in common with mutilation and transmogrification rituals than any tattoo rituals of the past. Still, I can't think of any ritual - past or present - that doesn't have overarching faith or spiritual purpose.
I can't speak for Mayan cultures, but coming from a Pacific Island background there seems like a huge disconnect with Cancellier when he claims to be wanting to go back to the original tribal roots that treated tattooing like a rite of passage and also calling tribal tattooing "ignorant, violent, and primitive". Like, it's a pretty disrespectful attitude for the art when they were highly intentional, sentimental (often related to family lineages and events), and known for their intricacies. Like, I don't get the impression that he has made any effort to truly understand the source inspiration or even that he likes it.
Exactly!
It seems like they made up their own ideas of what tribal tattooing was without doing any research. They could very well explain what they are doing without trying to force a connection with things that don't have all that much commonality save for the tattooing itself.
Finding the process of getting the tattoo meaningful is not limited to tribal tattoos, that's just a thing for many people in general.
When he likens the project to tribal tattoos he also calls what their trying to ignorant, violent and primitive. Insinuating that those aspects link to tribal tattooing. Most of which (aside from the example of the Mayans given by Celle) were not focused on pain for its own sake and were far from trying to violently push people to the limit. I know of no other violent tribal tattoo practices. The ignorance is really with them for operating on assumptions they have on tribal tattooing and speaking about it in a way that robs it of nuance and the important cultural theory that has kept it alive.
They seem more aligned with extreme BDSM culture than anything and I think acknowledging that, instead of trying to create a fake-deep link to "primitive human inclinations" towards such violence that hardly actually existed, would have done better for explaining what they do.
The meaning seems to come more from what individuals make of it. The woman who explained that it was meaningless while still meaning everything to her truly did make more sense. She was more direct and honest without trying to inflate the experience in ways that make it more convoluted for no reason while still managing to convey how it was a majorly important and possible spiritual experience for herself (she didn't use the word "spiritual" so I don't want to assume - just trying to understand the sense of importance it held for her than other people feel with spiritual experiences).
So I would never want this type of tattoo, but as a submissive who loves pain play, I can definitely understand the emotional and mental aspects of this. The bruises and scars from a scene are trophies of what I endured and enjoyed, but I think there are some ethical issues with this project. I hope they use safe words, but I even if there are, consensual bdsm is more than safe words, its constantly checking in and receiving continual and affirmative consent. Even if there was agreed upon brutality, there needs to be intensive discussion, disclosure of the negatives and mutual agreement which may not have been the case here. Despite that I think it's not a great idea to disregard just because we don't quite understand it.
I understand why someone would get something like this - I imagine that going through that and realizing that you could handle more than you thought would be a great way of regaining a feeling of control. It could be freeing and empowering. However I would worry that some participants would be doing it as a way to self harm, and I don’t know how they could screen those people out. I do find it harder to get into the heads of the artists in this scenario. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad people or doing it for the wrong reasons (or if their motivations even matter to the person getting it done). But I kind of worry about it, especially in Valerio’s case. After all, if what he said in that interview was true, he very easily could have just stopped the process and told the client and Vice to come back another day
Also just so you know, CZcams auto deleted my comment originally when I had the emoji at the end. Guess I can’t be a real one 😂
getting tattoos used as a form of self harm is a very interesting topic to me tbh, I’ve thought about people doing that even before knowing how this kind of project worked
@@claudiavittoria3918 i used to SH as a teenager. I like the ‘pain’ of tattoos. My tolerance is high. It has the same chemical release as SH. But SH is more reckless and destructive, a tattoo is art. It is way more pretty and rewarding thats for sure.
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If you have to hold someone down as they're trying to get away, it's not consensual anymore. These guys need to be charged so they can't do this to anyone else.
I would understand it being an art project or rite of passage but all I saw in the documentary was them enjoying inflicting pain, laughing about holding people down and admitting to tattooing harder than necessary because they enjoy doing it to the person. Even in the video he said by the end that they were going to probably stop the project because it was becoming too "mainstream"
As for it being primitive and tribal, like dude, there's so much more to a lot of 'primitive tattoos' The vast majority of tribal tattoos aren't about pain it's usually about coming of age and enduring some pain in order to have the physical marks to show whatever you're going to show.
Like my husband and I took our vows in the traditional manner or our countries (it's a cluster of islands and we're from neighboring islands) we tattooed each other using traditional means and it is just another form of wedding rings but it's a way to show ourselves, each other, and our community that we not only are willing to endure pain for the other but that we trust one another on a deep level since traditionally infections were common, a lot could go wrong even while tattooing, and tattoos are more or less permanent, it shows that we are coming together to make something (the design) and in modern times it has the added meaning of respecting traditions/keeping the culture alive. Also in my culture it is a way to announce to your partner and community that you're humble and with them for love rather than money; you're not going to demand things you can't afford and you'll happily live within your means.
But what these guys do seems like they read up on traditional tribal tattoos and didn't actually understand what it was about so they created a bastardized version while completely missing the point of tattoos within tribes.
Exactly! There are many more indigenous communities such as Inuit, Maori and Ainu people were traditional tattooing practices had continued up until the modern day. They have been a constant part of culture imbued with spiritual meanings and meaningful processes to those involved. The use of the word "primitive" doesn't sit well with me. Especially for something that has evolved right along society to this day.
It seems like they made up their own ideas of what tribal tattooing was without doing any research. They could very well explain what they are doing without trying to force a connection with things that don't have all that much commonality save for the tattooing itself.
Finding the process of getting the tattoo meaningful is not limited to tribal tattoos, that's just a thing for many people in general.
When he likens the project to tribal tattoos he also calls what their trying to ignorant, violent and primitive. Insinuating that those aspects link to tribal tattooing. Most of which (aside from the example of the Mayans given by Celle) was not focused on pain for its own sake and was far from trying to violently push people to the limit. I know of no other violent tribal tattoo practices. The ignorance is really with them for operating on aaumptions they have on tribal tattooing and speaking about it in a way that robs it of nuance and the important cultural theories that have kept it alive.
They seem more aligned with extreme BDSM culture than anything and I think acknowledging that, instead of trying to create a fake-deep link to "primitive human inclinations" towards such violence that hardly actually existed, would have done better for explaining what they do.
The woman who explained that it was meaningless while still meaning everything to her truly did make more sense. She was more direct and honest without trying to inflate the experience in ways that make it more convoluted for no reason while still managing to convey how it was a majorly important and possible spiritual experience for herself (she didn't use the word "spiritual" so I don't want to assume - just trying to understand the sense of importance it held for her than other people feel with spiritual experiences).
I love your account so much you're always so well rounded and as non biased as possible with such a cool personality as well! ♥️😊
Thank you! That’s so kind 🤗🤗
Tbh as soon as you said the first sentence explaining what it was, I immediately felt the urge to go and experience it, I dunno what that says about me but I think the concept is great lol...
thank you so much for the content warnings its was perfect and comforting. exactly what i needed
I'm so glad you're covering this, I saw this years ago and I forgot about it until now. Some proper weird shit.
I feel like if these guys had their period, gave birth or faced gender discrimination, sexual abuse they wouldn’t need to go out and seek pain.
Wtf
As long as everyone has the same understanding of the process going in and safewords (or some similar mechanism) are set and respected, the process itself seems fine. It's not clear to me that this is the case with the brutal black project but I don't know the ins and outs.
However, I don't know why we always need to call on and romanticize this idea of "tribal" as if all societies and communities that could be described as "tribal" are all the same thing and all existed at the same time and have some kind of mystical wisdom that we don't.
PS [monkey covering eyes emoji] - I have no idea why YT won't let me comment with emojis.
I find I need to right-click to summon emojis, there was a link at one stage but it stopped working for me & now it looks as if CZcams has removed it.
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woah thats knarly! i had no idea this existed! oddly though i love the way the tattoos look
I actually like some of the results, but the process? A fresh tattoo is similar to an open wound, and these guys are getting multiple artists to create massive tattoos in one huge session, rather than getting bigger bits of work done in lots of sessions. Healing those has got be an absolute bitch.
Some people believe pain is a path to enlightenment. As a person that has experienced severe chronic back problems, I understand their viewpoint, but I don’t quite agree. 🙈
INTENSE. Sounds like when people go and do Ayahuasca. I just watched the Vice video and feel sick to my stomach. I felt like he was a prisoner at a death camp and I was witnessing his torture. Wild.
Thanks for the video. I saw some of these works before and thought some were beautiful but I never thought they'd have this kind of history.
This reminds me of the man who made a torture “haunted house” and had people “consent” to it in the beginning. The only difference is he was willing to allow young people in which made them vulnerable to some really bad things.
Omg!!! Yes they pay with dog food
I’ve had a cosmetic operation where you get stabbed 80+ times with three-pronged needles to administer the local anesthesia. That alone was painful even after it kicked in, but to be stabbed with those glorified sowing needles without that gives me the willies.
Just as someone who's had to get blood drawn and IVs a lot, I cant imagine letting a needle stab me that much with no numbing. I also cannot imagine the bruising theyre causing tattooing like that...
I'm so excited for you to discuss this! I've been intrigued by the Brutal Black Project for years. Complete no for myself, but the emotional effects on the clients are SO INTERESTING.
I also love the aesthetic of the lines.
Just discovered your channel, have been loving the content! You have really reasoned and well-informed takes. 🙈
I thought this was just the blackout tattoos from the title but this is on a different level
so valerio was upset that the third artist gave the client opiates before starting but still continued with the session? dodgy af lol
Yeah that’s sketch. You’re not even allowed to get a tattoo if you’re intoxicated.
Every tatoo job is dodgy af. It's not like this people go to medical school before doing tatoos.
If the art was outstandingly great I would give it more credit...
Agreed. It looks shit, so nothing to be gained.
Brutal Black Project was inspired by the work of Little Swastika, who now goes by Lily Lu and retired from tattooing. Members of BBP have been to Lily's shop and been tattooed by them and took inspiration from that and turned it into something sadistic. Lily treats tattoos as more of a ritual process and pushed the limits of what can be done with tattooing and body modification in general. For example they did backpieces that span across multiple people's back and have many body modifications on themselves that were done completely experimentally, like tattooing the entire inside of their mouth even the tonsils. They popularized large scale sketchwork style tattoos and pioneered doing large scale work very quickly, like an entire backpiece in a day etc. The major difference is that Lily and the artists of Psyland 25 (Lily's shop) don't inflict pain just for the sake of the tattoo being painful and they take great care to make sure the clients of their more extreme projects are not only truly ready for this kind of work but are also properly cared for during the healing process. Pain is part of the process of extreme tattoos being earned and it can be a very empowering experience getting through something you didn't think you were capable of. They would never do work like this on someone who doesn't already have extreme body modifications, only clients who will truly benefit in their life as an outcast of normal society. They won't even tattoo the hands or faces of anyone who has not already mostly tattooed the rest of their body. Lily no longer tattoos but their shop is still doing amazing work, look up Psyland 25 if you want to know more.
Wow.
Not a tattoo person but love the way you talk and love listening and learning.
extreme self-harm/hatred disguised as self-expression and pushing past your limits. The tattoo artists are exploiting these people to fulfil their sadistic desires. Heart breaking to see them destroy their bodies instead of heal their pain.
😀People are crazy. If you need it, do it. It's like suspension. I just hope the artists care about the healing too. That is crucial. See Lily Lu, the German Artist who put his friend through a brutal session of tattooing but was there for him, during the healing process. He was with him in the shower, cooled him down when he was shivering and heating up, and so on. He says that you can put you through extreme sessions but the healing process is more important.
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I had to pay extra for my artist to employ this tactic after the project had ceased. Wonderfully worth it honestly
i have been tattooed by cammy had a half sleeve done by himself. one of the best, kind and understanding tattooist I have had the pleasure of being tattooed by, he is very much about the experience of tattooing and what you gain from the pain you feel while getting the art done, he says it allows people to look deeper at the art. however he does this extreme art exobishion he is extremely professional and will always stick within the boundaries of the person he is tattooing during a day todo setting!
The "scratch" aspect of the design that is left when it is all said and done, is, in my eyes, elegant. It appears brutal, nasty and gory; however, when it is healed there is a quiet beauty left behind not necessarily angry. What appears to be just blackout for blacks sake, is not what you see in the finished product. Each canvas that I've seen images of is different. Thank you for taking a moment to give your reaction to TBBP.
I find it easy to believe that Vice misrepresented them. I also find it easy to believe that it's an excuse for torture.
It could so easily be either thing. But I think as long as the people going into the process come out feeling that it was a safe and positive experience for them that's what matters.
I don't know if I approve of his use of tribal tattooing in relation to his work though.
This is the ultimate privilege: you’ve never had pain and want to experience it.
Thinking back over my life and all the abuse and pain... I kinda would like something like this, if for no other reason, to commemorate decades of suffering... It's also kinda appealing, for the fact that, with what I've been through, I don't really experience pain the way "normal" people do... If it was just pain, I'd be cool with it... but, I don't trust these artists not to take things to another level either, and I can imagine that would be triggering. Anything like this really would require complete trust...
I feel they are using be a connection to tattooing in the past as how they got their "project" idea. However, it does come across and more sadistic, and not tribal at all. They seem to get pleasure out of others pain and the hype of the project brought about too much negative attention and not enough praise for what they consider to be hard core, or the ultimate tattooing experience.
Watching that Italian lady talk about how this process is about becoming ugly because she was so beautiful before is like asking a homeless guy his story and hearing that he hated being rich so he set his money on fire.
Oh wow. I din't realise there is a experience in tattooing that focuses on the pain above all. While I think the pain is definitely a way of stopping just everyone from getting a tattoo, I personally wouldn't miss it. If there was a way to do it without the pain, by all means, go ahead. And I already feel bad for making my body suffer. I once passed out, because I had two back to back sessions and hours of travel time. Made me feel so bad and guilty for torturing my body. Which makes it even harder to understand the concept of this project 🤔
There is, there's tattoo numbing cream - it's basically the topical stuff hospitals use for stuff like stitches or cosmetic laser treatments
I can understand what made Valerio mad, but the way he expressed his anger was unsettling. He seems like he has anger issues and there’s no way to know unless he were to admit it to say he’s taking it out in his tattooing.
Seems the perfect tattoo “artist” job. No client care, don’t have to worry about doing the job right (ie making it as painless as possible), no actual design or artwork going on, no working with the client to design something, and they can be as rubbish as they want, as the needle is huge, and the client is moving about. Basically they seem like untalented tattooists.
I like Celle's vibe, the topics are interesting and her personality really comes through which is cool
That's a really interesting video, I wish you could talk a bit more about non-Western ritual tattoo practices, such as Pacific islanders, or South Asian cultures. I definitely remember a section in the documentary Moana (from 1926, that inspired the Disney film) about how Moana gets a tattoo and the part that pain plays in the ritual. I would also be hesitant to call these tribal practices "ancient" , given that many of these cultures still exist today, and still practice tattooing in much the same way.
IT LITERALLY SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE JUST HURTING PEOPLE FOR THE FUN OF IT. id like to hear the victims stories, and I am curious about the psychology of the perps, like do they specifically target certain people (free to anyone whos wiling is ambiguous, I'm willing to bet they try to convince some to let them harder than others) , do they choose to hurt some people more than others. if they do what's their code? do they prefer to torture men or women, there are 100% personal motivations for this, serial killer vibes.
I have several health conditions that cause chronic pain, including issues where I have nerve pain that is just created by my body, when there is no injury or inflammation to cause it. I know that I am being judgmental and not fully trying to understand, but this kind of thing always pisses me off; because I kind of feel like some people don't have real issues in life and need to create drama for it. It's kind of like how people who grow up with money and little stress sometimes have a need to go out and start fights and create drama, because they don't have real problems and need to create them, while meanwhile the poor and sick among us are just busy trying to get through our lives okay. I go to a pain management doctor, just to try to cut down my pain symptoms, in addition to all the doctors I see for the actual conditions; and I can't imagine the desire for going out to create pain, so I can feel alive. That sounds like one of the most entitled ableist choices out there. As I said in the beginning, this is all based on my prejudices.
There is also the tribal practices in Africa, North and South America, etc. where people would endure torture to try to reach a higher spiritual connection; and it was a highly intense and spiritual practice, deep in meaning and history. This seems once again like white people who are appropriating cultural rituals and missing the actual meaning behind it.
Hi, I know this comment is a year old, but I felt I had to respond to the assumption of ableism here - as someone who has also lived with pain since childhood (one of my conditions literally means walking around on broken bone most of the time), I have come to believe there are two ways you can go with that. You can try to minimise the pain, as you do, or you can lean into it, and seek out other sources of pain that you are in control of.
I've lived with pain since childhood, and I am also a heavy masochist, because for me it feels good to have pain that has a start and an end, and that connects me to other human beings. Pain that I'm not alone in. And you have no idea what conditions folks who go for brutal black tattooing are carrying with them. I would absolutely go for this, given the opportunity, as I am very much drawn to experiences where my consciousness is fully engaged in my body in ways other than just thinking about the bits that are broken.
And honestly, if you think people who seek out pain are weird or 'entitled', I think you fail to realise just how many people seek out pain in daily life. Spicy food, exercise, super hot showers or baths, there are all sorts of ways folks inflict pain on themselves recreationally, both because it feels good in itself and can produce endorphins that counter other pains.
Oh that documentary was INTENSE, and never again will I look at it the same. As far as I'm aware they don't do it anymore, they shut it down. It was extreme, and I understand consent, but when you want to get up, and people hold you down, that's NOT consent.
Now 2 years later after you first published this vid on the BBP, there's stories coming out of people trying to get their BBP tattoos removed and finding there is significant scarring under the ink because of the large needle size and just extreme pressure used during the process.
I've run marathons and gotten tattoos. They both took around 3-4 hours. But the marathons also had a 100 or so training runs. I got fitter, suffered and learned a ton about myself. Those endurance tests have definitely been more meaningful for me over time, but to each their own. I'm more into endorphins than adrenaline. Great video!
There are many cultures where tattoos and body modification were and are part of the status symbology and in some cases sexual attractiveness. Not limited to the Mayan civilization but also Polynesian, some Asian and African cultures.
I love your videos!
I did traditional tattoos for 6 years before specializing in Permanent make up as I do now. When I was about 4 years in, one of my regular and fave clients wanted a black out style tattoo for his throat and neck piece. I went from total black out to a cross hatching/ stippling design going into his face, chest and back. I love love love how it turned out, but the poor kid had to go thru a lot of pain. I think this style of tattoo looks great for certain people, but I really don’t suggest someone new to tattoos goes for anything like this. I’ve never met the guys from the Brutal Black exp, but I can only imagine what people feel during it. Stay safe kids
I just watched it after this and it isn't even that bad. It's brutal, but that was the stated intention the whole time, your video was just like saying that mount everest should stop being so mean to the people climbing it. People want to be pushed beyond their limit, and they need a limit-breaking activity
It really feels like they appropriated the idea of tribal ritual tattooing, it just reeks of alternative white people seeing cool things from a culture, diluting it then claiming they’re being ✨super spiritual✨ It just grosses me out overall.
This was my thought. In the documentary the Italian guy says he wants people to look tribal and barbaric, with that statement over a shot of some tattoos that are very heavily inspired by sacred indigenous tattoos. The implication is a bit ick. Especially as such tattoos have a meaning other than "I went through extreme pain for aesthetic"
Yea that was my feeling too, this guys gross
They say they are not sadist and then say it is about pushing their pain threshold, which includes puking and crying. There is a huge disconnect there.
🙈 its fascinating . Thank you .
I’ve witnessed a few different rituals that involve intense pain with the intention of it being a way to process and cope with the pain that life can bring. Everyone processes differently. I do not wish to process pain this way but am great friends with some who do. Consent and intention is everything. You don’t have to understand, but coming to it with a desire to understand is always more productive.
I know I'm a bit late to this, but I wanted to share some of my thoughts. I remember seeing this video when it came out and I've never been squeemish or anything so I wasn't offput by watching the video. I actually thought it was very interesting. As someone involved in kink, I understand and relate to the desire for pain, brutality, art, finding my limits, and exceeding those fears and limits. There's pain, peace, thoughts, thoughtlessness, catharsis, etc. It's a bit difficult to explain the multitude of headspace these experiences can put you into really. You can also form some really strong bonds in experiences like this, you can learn things about yourself as well. I don't participate in more extreme forms of kink, but I have friends that do and they love and look forward to partaking in these extreme things that push them and allow them to enter different head spaces.
This post is not to say that I disagree with Celle's analysis/dialogue on this video. I think Valerio is extremely intense (not going to speculate on whether he's doing this for purely sadistic reasons). I remember Valerio yelling in the video, but I interpreted it as him yelling at the unnamed tattoo artist for not packing the black enough and thus having to put the client through even more pain than he's already going through. Despite the yelling, I think this is the most compassion we see from Valerio. It seems like Cammy is more level headed and caring about the clients, so I do hope that balances out Valerio's intensity. Something Cammy says in the video is that the client is in control and in kink that's how it always is/should be. The person on the receiving end is in control of the situation. Similar to what Celle states in the video, I hope that these are all consenting adults and there are safety precautions in place including a safe word and hopefully some darn good aftercare.
Similar to much of the kink world, this isn't for everyone. It's niche, it's extreme, it's intense. All we can hope for is that people involved in this (artists and clients) continue to grow through their experiences.
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It sounds sick and id honestly be willing to do it if I wasn't so attached to my tattoo plans
Don't know how/ why this was in my feed but it's very interesting..
That's so intense, I did thirteen five to six hour sessions on the backside of my body and my tattoo artist didn't take too many breaks. It's pretty intense and you get into a hypnotic state.
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Eh, one person's pain is another's pleasure. As long as someone does this willingly and agrees to what's being done, all the power to you.
That said, no thanks :)
Michela Bottin inspired my blackout arm piece that I'm planning. I'm getting my bicep blacked out with the forearm, shoulder and lower neck being black lines. I love the aesthetic and I've put years of thoughts and planning into this because it's such a big commitment. But I am also not going the brutal black project route of getting it done. I'd love to get the ink done for free but not at the expense of being tortured. Plus, I'd cry if they yelled at me or around me
I have a planned out black out with strokes with my tattoo artist, I am really looking forward to that!
I would do it ... I think tattoos aren't just aesthetic... body suspension is a great example of this but through piercing instead of tattoos and is definitely on my to do list. It is a release from the body in my eye
The only difference is with body suspension the whole experience is based on you, the people who help are just there to provide a save environment.
@Niphyra true, since the tattoo is basically a giant open wound on most of some part of your body.