How Insane Has Bruins vs. Panthers Been? + What's Going On With The Refs? | SDP
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the craziness that has went down in the Eastern Conference Semi-Final between the Boston Bruins and Florida Panthers.
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It's not a makeup call it's a call. A makeup call implies that two wrongs make a right. In this situation it's not the same thing. The problem with the Bennet situation is that he pushed Coyle into Swayman. The rule is set in stone at that point. It doesn't matter if Swayman can make the save or not. It's goalie interference and also it's supposed to be a 2 minute penalty. The Heinen situation is different because he wasn't pushed in. He made a small amount of contact all by himself. In that scenario the question then becomes did Bob have a chance to reset before the shot. He clearly did. He just got beat clean. These are not the same play at all. They are different circumstances and different parts of the rule are involved because of that. The call that didn't go Boston's way was a blown call and the refs even came back saying they didn't believe the player interfered with Swayman's ability to make the save. Which shows they don't know the rule. Because that's not the rule. In this case the call was correct and to the letter of the law.
Listen, I'm a Bruins fan. I was SCREAMING about the goal in game 4 because I really believe the Bruins win that game and tie the series if that call goes the correct way. But they were both bad calls. The one against the Bruins was worse, but IF there were any consistent standard for goalie interference, they would both be no-goals. And if they had overturned the Bruins goal after allowing the Panthers, it would be seen as genuinely rigging the series and it would be all anybody talks about in the NHL world for months.
@@turnerjazz7872 ekman larsson interfered with bobrovsky more than heinan did
Well said
Rules aside. He pushed a defensive player into his own goaltender for the purpose of scoring a goal. That’s exactly what it was, it’s that simple. It’s not a precedence that should set. Everyone should be pissed about it, because we should not want that in the game of hockey.
@@melwilson4171precedents aren’t a thing in hockey officiating apparently anyways haha
Everytime the refs stop play for a goalie issue, I just think back to the playoffs when Tuukka lost his skate blade and the refs let play continue until Tampa scored. Ever since then, if I goalie so much as blinks at the wrong time play is blown dead.
"I hope they tear each other apart and the puck just sits there" - What a scene man! RIP Dutch, I will miss your energy.
If you just described the scene, I would have said who did the Bruins play? (When I was a kid in the 1980s, I would have said who did they lose to? Better days ahead, my Leaf friends, better days ahead.)
Calling those the same type of gaolie interference is ridiculous. Two absolutely completely different plays.
Look up Tuuka Rask losing his blade, can’t move, yells at the ref forever!!! Then a goal gets scored and it counted!!! And I hate Tuuka
If you hate Tuuka then I hate you
@@TheKingOfPuppets747 works for me
Don't forget the play where the Bruin was high sticked in the face by two separate Panthers within seconds and still no call.
Actually that was a high stick to two players, from the same Panther simultaneously. He got two players with that one high stick. And all the diving, Monty animated it for us. 😂
@@melwilson4171 The highstick was because the bruin was holding his stick and Monty was tryna get his stick back. Just happens to AoE two Bruins players at once.
Guys I agree this is the worst officiated games this entire postseason!!! Absolutely nuts.
People trying to compare the 2 scenarios are crazy!!!
1- guy cross checks defending player, knocks him into the right side of the goaltender! Then takes a rebound he prevents 2 players from defending and scores!!!
2- go back and watch every challenged goalie interference calls that get upheld or overturned and just laugh!!!
Given the way the play happened, he didn't really stop Swayman from defending the shot, and it looked like Coyle wouldn't have been able to do much about it either given his initial body position and where the puck landed. However, still goalie interference by the letter of the law, and possibly a cross-check as well (would a "proper" ref call both? Or just the goalie interference as the cross-check is part of the interference?)
@@jsquared1013 we don’t know what could or could not have happened. Swayman read the rebound and tried to get to it. He was prevented from attempting it.
I see so many bad calls on goal tender interference plays some that are just lunacy.
Problem they have is they need to have everything up for interpretation. When that’s the case it will always be a problem.
It’s how they protect themselves and the refs.
Think about it for a second. They could argue it both ways and sound right
I gave up on NBA years ago because of officiating. Nhl is getting pretty close to it.
it was also CRAZY when they couldn’t check on Swayman to see if he was okay when they pushed our player into him but they had to check on the other teams goalie when he was hit by a puck.
I honestly thought Angel Hernandas from mlb was officiating.....lol
They were different degrees of goalie interference...the Heinen one could have gone either way...the Bennet one was flat out criminal, but there's no question they weren't reversing the McAvoy goal after that BS
I'm not even a panthers fan but that was the softest cross check I have ever seen and everyone is complaining about that being a highway robbery. There are hundreds of crosschecks a game in front of the net and the vast majority of them are so much worse than that. If you call that goal back, any defensive player has free reign to 'interfere' with their own goalie when they feel a slight bit of contact from an offensive player, since any goal after that will be called back. I am not saying Coyle dove; he definitely didn't but he went down incredibly soft there. That was closer to a push off than a cross check.
@@crushdavis7048 who said it was a cross check?
@@Coachiggs well the "crosscheck" is what this whole goalie interference call with Coyle/bennett stemmed from.
@@crushdavis7048 cross check had nothing to do with it...here's the rule: "If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed"
@@Coachiggs im not argueing the rule in the rulebook. I know the rule and If they called every rule by the letter of the law in the rulebook, every crosscheck, shove after the whistle, light goalie contact, and slash would get called and each team would end up with 20 penalties a game. We know that they are never going to do that.
Im coming at it from the way the NHL usually calls penalties/goalie inteference in the playoffs and it has to be overly egregious for a goal to get called back. And that play was far from egregious.
Pastrnak leads the playoffs in penalty minutes. The bruins have 4 players in the top 9 in PIMs.
This wasn’t goalie interference, not a make up call
Nope
If you watch the early whistle play on Bob in full speed, not just convenient snapshots, Tarasenko blocked the shot which Boston still took and it ends up on Barkov’s stick so more than likely it didn’t cost them a goal.
Loved to watch and listen to this
alright first time viewer you guys are spot on and hilarious. Sub
"I need Maroon to score a big goal because hes just a skating mouth." Bro the blues have a stanley cup bc Maroon got the game 7 double OT goal vs dallas after Bishop and Binnington made like 50+ saves each.
So he had one goal 5 years ago cause the defense and goalie was exhausted
@@austinjoseph6347 Are you under the impression the Bruins signed him for his goal scoring ability LOL??? Everybody knows what Pat's job is here.
@@turnerjazz7872 nope strictly making a reply to the above comment to the guy justifying his 1 big goal 5 years ago
Bishop made a ton of saves. Binnington did not. That game was Ben Bishop at his finest.
Steve’s rant about NHL officiating was cathartic lol
The idea this is a “makeup call” implies they’re similar situations. THEY’RE NOT, ONE WAS CLEARLY GOALIE INTERFERENCE AND THEN THERE’S THIS ONE. Aside, from the fact that the NON-CALL basically cost the Bruins the game and essentially THE SERIES (no the B’s ARE NOT coming back from down 3 games to 1, I’ve watched this team for my entire nearly 40 years of existence and they’ll lose tomorrow night MARK MY WORDS)
CBJ V PIT When Werenski had his face exploded by a shot bleeding pints laying on the ice and then Pittsburgh scored.
No no no no no... the officials did not cost the Bs a goal... Those several goals in different games were not simply costing a goal here and there... it cost 2 GAMES! Bs just need to move their feet better and stick it to any power "against" them... why would the Panthers be so defensive for the officiating? Simple: advantage. Obvious advantage. Are Panther fans that terrified of the Bs? Are the officials that evoked against the Bruins that they are intentionally calling like this? Sad state of affairs if either/both are true... can't they just play HOCKEY?? Are the rules that confusing??
Question that should be asked is why is the league protecting Bennett, he could shank someone on the ice and not even get a minor.
Was it goalie interferance when the puck hit borovsky in the shoulder and the ref blew the whistle
its certainly a better call than the bennet one, but both are confusing.
Have you seen the panthers trying to bait calls left and right
7:35 They didnt think Bob was hurt. That just sounds less incompetent then one of us lost sight of the puck and throught it was under Bob's pad.
The thing that's the most infuriating isn't the calls themselves (as much as they're absurd), it's the explanations that are nothing more than a terrible attempt at gaslighting the world. Like... we all have eyes and we all saw the video evidence you blatantly ignored when making this decision. Now you're going to "explain" away that evidence by saying it's all wrong? This league is expanding video review next season... WHAT GOOD IS VIDEO REVIEW IF YOU JUST IGNORE IT ANYWAY?!
The stoppage of play from a 'handpass' in yesteryears fla-bos serie comes to mind. The rules of the challenge clearly state there wasn't enough there to cause a stoppage of play as the 'handpass' didn't give bos an unfair advantage. But nevertheless, the official, after communicating with Toronto, decided to make up his own rule and reversed a good hockey goal. Took the game away from bos.....
Indeed, what good is a review if you are going to make something up anyway? Oh, right, with a review, you get more time to make something up and refs aren't quick thinkers, I suppose.
Sounds like Bob made a great save at 4:00.
Hard for Swayman to extend his stick on the play with his defenceman laying on him and the stick... it's bullshit that he couldn't have made a play...
I would love to go over multiple calls and non calls to review
Btw, the Bruins lost the ensuing faceoff and the puck was cleared without incident. Good times
holy moly. as a bruins fan, that question about the are the officials scared of reffin the bruins hits hard. its always either oh we got calls to go our way or wth are you doing stripes ahhhhhhhh. Thats so spot on.
And Campbell broke his fibula
They haven't figured out Goalie interference for 30 years now. It's the Pass Interference of Hockey. That it is a make up call is one thing. The larger issue is that the first miss was so bad, the Bruins knew they weren't getting the next GI call so now they can give Bob all kinds of usually illegal grief until they get their call back.
THE SHOT GOT BLOCKED
Don’t tell me the Bruins are favoured. Do you guys remember the non call obvious slew foot against the bruins player in game six of the Blues/Bruins finals where everyone thought it was a guaranteed penalty and the ref didn’t call it. The blues take the puck and score. Blues end up tying the series at 3 and win game 7.
The Bruins along with some other teams, have played like utter shithouses for so long that they get no/very little benefit of the doubt.
Soon it will be Florida, Carolina and other teams will be in the same boat. Just as the Canucks were for a number of years.
Dallas at Anaheim, last season (I think) had a play blow dead when Tyler Seguin was about to score. John Gibson had a shutout that night. Dallas should have, ya know, been able to score on the Ducks, but plays being blown dead when the puck is absolutely not covered, denying a goal, is unfortunately a thing.
I thought it was just me but hearing it from a Leafs fan confirms my sanity😂 Respect. There should be a stat for debatable calls going which teams way cuz the Bs would be the lowest😂😂😂😂
No they wouldn’t
Urinating Tree about Boston eliminating Toronto sincerely made me feel bad, scared and sad for Steve. God Bless Him.
Insane
GARRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
Lol not even 12 mins Steve. He's been around 8-10 mins for us lol
Maroon only a skating mouth?? Actually, he is CRAZY SMART with the puck. Too many Bruin dump the puck and not chasing... Patrick keeps his head up and he THINKS about what to do... I never thought I would comment that "Patrick Maroon has tremendous hockey smarts." But he does...
You don’t win three cups with just being a goon contrary to popular opinion…
It seemed like the referees were on the Panthers side from the very start had it out for the Bruins not right
Not quite the same degree when talking about both "non calls." In the more recent one, the Panthers defender makes (slight) contact with the Bruins attacker right as the Bruins attacker makes contact with the goalie. Attacker getting "pushed" into the goalie usually negates it as far as goalie interference calls go. It is very soft, but it's a by-the-book way to validate it (not saying they didn't let it stand as a make-up for the previous one, but this one at least has justification by the rules).
And I am not coming at this from the perspective of a fan of either team, if it were possible I'd want them to both lose 😂
And there is another way to look at it. All playoff series are called differently. Depends on the teams. Always been this way. When the ref makes the first call, letting the GI go, there is your precedent. Ok. These guys are going to give us room in the crease. Jesse said it. No conspiracy. They're being consistent . The statement goes along with that. There was jostling but he reset. So it did not interfere with the goal itself. So that is what they allow this series. You have it on paper.
“Being consistent” is a bit of a stretch when the very first GI review is blatantly GI. At this point, if what Bennett did is a clean play, then anything goes in and around the crease. That ruins the game.
So when Larrson boxed heinen into his own goalie it’s interference? Nope. Good goal.
As a Bruins fan I agree with everything. The officiating is horrible and I need my bottle and diaper changed.
Saying it’s borderline illegitimate is such a brain dead take. There’s 60 minutes of play…. Bad calls happen, good teams are in despite that
Shouldn’t the question be why isn’t the NHL doing something about it or commenting on it ? Not boardering on illegitimate. Totally bogus. .
The league doesn't comment on officiating. The closest they come is fining a coach or team for saying mean things. Expecting them to comment is an exercise in futility. What they do about officiating behind closed doors we don't know. Refs have a union and a contract with the league. I'd imagine their corrective actions are limited by said contract.
Honestly I am getting sick of goaltending interference chalenges…building a fence around goalies would bring some piece at least. Hockey is a contact sport for god sake
Missed call sorry im a referee
lllegitimate - 100 Percent!!! Its Bettman's circus and he wants to be like Vince McMahon.
Chat MaGoon
I think you should start callng the refs and linesmen out by name. Not doxxing them, but at least using names so that we know which refs are doing an even worse job than the less incompetent refs who are still doing a terrible job, but not quite as bad as others
They have no accountability and the league has no accountability.
The officials for each game are listed on the NHL website/app. It's not hidden.
Community guidlines should put Bettlan in fb jail
NHLRefs are paid off Bullies
Steve has lost it
Wylde Dingleberries and a Dangle.
Lots of whining
Kindergarten
“What’re you doing”… for one, please try sounding girlier saying that. You can’t if you try too, and two, the bruins won the game… had 0 bearing
Make up call? Stick to something you know sport.
Lol leafs fans are a bunch of whiners
Worst officiating i have seen every series…..
The panthers have double the power plays that the bruins have had this series
That is clear cut, the league wants the panthers to win and they’re using refs to do it but they don’t want to make it obvious
Double the power plays almost NEVER, NEVER happens in a series
I wonder if the league thinks they owe the Panthers. Think about it. Derailed by covid twice and then lose your head coach due to a felony coverup back in 2010. They didn't do anything and they paid a higher price than Chicago. Then they lose the cup to the Knights who were gift wrapped contending status from the start. To blow my cover I feel robbed as a Panther and I say we are entitled to the cup.
Lightning had more powerplays than the panthers in round 1 and panthers didn't have a single powerplay against them in game 3. But yeah the refs totally want the panthers to win. The reason the bruins have gotten more penalties is because their players have become unhinged and started caring more about retaliation than scoring ever since forsling scored in game 2. STFU
False
Panther fans want to deflect off the officials being so horrific... Bruin fans are irate about their D dumping pucks only for the Panther Ds to easily gather and set their offense... Bruin fans are irate about the officials being horrific - THAT seems to be the most common theme everywhere. How did it get to this point????
That is such a fkn cop out. "iT wAs a MaKe Up cAlL" get fucked. they explained it in clear words, yes he hit his skate in the crease, but he had time to reset before the puck was shot. Yes, his stick got knocked out of his hand, BY HIS OWN TEAM MATE. Don't cheapen the refs and call review team's jobs by saying they did it to balance out a bad call from a previous game.
steve has become a whiny little b. Stop squeaking, please.
The second round has been unbelievable hockey! The problem is the 24 hour coverage of hockey and people caring too much about an entertainment business. You aren't supposed to take it this seriously. I've quite enjoyed the playoffs. If you understand that the calls are out of your control, you'll lead a longer, more enjoyable life. Most pundits just sound like a bunch of whiners when things don't go their way. Cheers
That play was not similar at all
It is going to come down to goaltending. These teams finished neck & neck in the regular season. A lot of guys on both teams have playoff experience. Panthers overall have better offensive talent, but defensively, Bs are better. Bs are still in desperation mode, and they will be ready for the Panthers onslot at the start of the game. If the Panthers don't score quickly, it gets harder for them because Swayman is going to be locked down, and Bs guys are lying out to block shots. They know anything can happen in a game 7.