Stephen Hicks & Mike Nayna - PhDs and Passive-Aggression
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- The team at www.thinkspot.com arranged a conversation between myself and Professor @Stephen Hicks. Professor Hicks is a prolific scholar with books and articles covering vast philosophical terrain.
Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault is the book that originally piqued my interest in Stephen's work. Full Audiobook - • Explaining Postmoderni...
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Someone get this man a netflix deal! Love your stuff, keep it up
Unfortunately Netflix is full of neo-communist left wing SJWs. They would never ever do something like this. I am saying this as someone who works on tech and is a left-libertarian/classic liberal
@@brianhourigan ah, but what are your pronouns?
@@SavageCommentaryOriginal irk/bork/zik
Agreed
Netflix has a competing agenda lol 😉 but i agree
Subbed! Everybody in this space who works to expose the Greivance Studies phenomenon are (post)modern day heroes to me. More power to you, Sir!
Reflecting on Henry Giroux - The luxury of people who are not expected to test their ideas against reality, and can just ruminate and imagine a utopia, which cannot exist. I can't imagine anything more broken. It's reflective of a deteriorating society when there are so many who can't see that what's being sold as a better world is in fact leading them to dystopia.
Amazing point, and I think you've uncovered quite the gem here
Yes, and this is a point to critical pedagogy and a demerit from Hicks. Whoops.
DiAngelo on generalising: "...actually, as a Sociologist, I *can*."
So, sociologists are allowed to be racist, but the rest of us aren't. Got it.
Pure appeal to authority---her own authority.
That's what I thought when I took Intro to Sociology. Dropped it in a day.
It's a sleight of hand. Sociologists can generalize, since that is what practically all scientific models are. It allows you to detect broad patterns that help you understand causality, to predict outcomes of certain actions, and ideally both of them. It also is a common misconception that this is racist - it becomes racist when these simplified models based on group patterns and averages are projected on an individual. An individual consists of much more elements than those in a model, and might also be an outlier when it comes to the measured element. This is where DiAngelo makes the sleight of hand: it reduces people to at best a handful of elements by projecting abstract models on actually existing people. In other words, she is racist.
Sociology might be the laziest, shiftiest of all the social "sciences".
@@1ynx I agree, but please learn to spell. It's "sleight" not "slight".
@30:56 his comments about not being “first rate” are so spot on, especially regarding types like Robin Diangelo.
One of the best discussions i have ever watched .
Wow. Thanks! Stephen is great.
Yeah I wish everyone regardless of stance could debate in a civil and kind way. Just sad that it can be hard to find.
That analogy Stephen made with abstract and high level philosophy with theoretical physics was amazing. I've never heard it in such a way to make high level philosophy so relatable in day-to-day life. The products of theoretical physics are apparent in the magic of computers and the internet we use everyday, but the products of abstract and high level philosophy are hidden in the way we act and think. It's a much more productive way to think about philosophy!
the difference, importantly, is that theoretical physics has ideas that are tested, experimented on, used for predictions and eventually end up as USEFUL. Much high level philosophy and education theories are just applied with no rigor, testing, or even real world comparisons.
@@jackdeniston9326 Induction is always going to leave unanswered questions, and deduction will always leave us with no new truth. You people are being bedazzled.
"Ideas have consequences. Bad ideas have victims." John Stonestreet
This is such an important video and it has too few views.
One issue I have is that the topic is nigh unapproachable to people who have one foot in the ideology. An example that was brought up here, was that these people are intelligent and dismiss the opposing perspective because they think it's beneath them and rooted in bigotry.
The resistance to this tug is so hard, because it is truly a world shattering truth. The "Red Pill" analogy might even be understated in how apt it is.
I remember I've only encountered the whole SJWism a single time in my education in the UK. A couple of women came in to do a talk on how to feel better about yourself. Initially it was okay, talking about seeing your body for how it isn't, anorexia and related issues. But then it spiraled out of control and went into sexism and gender issues. The bottom line when the talk was over was that white men are sexist, and this deodorant ad proves it. Thankfully the vast majority of the students weren't buying it. I'm pretty sure those two women got a lot of complaints and aren't coming back anytime soon.
i hope so :-)
Ah, but who invited them? And ...why?
George Soros.
Wow you’re lucky. In a couple of my classes in the US we had similar stuff taught regularly by the prof and everyone seemed to eat it up but me. And when I spoke out against, it felt like the whole class hated me.
I do have to add though that as biased and crazy as some of these teachers might have seemed, they always welcomed my voice and on one occasion even thanked me after class for being brave enough to speak up (although they really seemed to totally despise my views sometimes!) and I never got unfairly marked down on papers for expressing my beliefs.
This chat is such a logical extension of your work that I’m surprised it is just now happening. Very insightful. I’m always happy to hear Hicks’ take. He adds a very necessary foundation of genealogical critical thinking (not critical theory) on this issue.
Hicks is a fucking moron. Postmodernity is too complex of a concept to understand...and he will conflate that with "postmodernism" because he is exactly what makes up a 'dolt'. He confuses the message for the medium, instead of recognizing the continuum inherent to the process. Like those who say that Nietzsche was "the forefather of nihilism", when in fact he was just warning of it's impending arrival, Hicks [and his bubbling like-ilk] either intentionally or unintentionally [whew] misapprehend the whole WARNING inherent in writers like Lyotard [who wrote The Postmodern Condition; note the use a MEDICAL TERM, indicated DISEASE...he was WARNING of it...but Hicks mistakes this for an endorsement...he is a fool]. I've said enough. It's just plain as day.
@jon scott Hicks is an idiot.
The bit with the kids made me ill, indoctrinating young children like that is just disgusting.
Brainwashed School Nanny turning POC kids into useless activist. TBH I think White Supremacy is working just well with these idiots!
45:13 the more I learn about the histories of knowledge, science, scholarship, and philosophy; the more I realize the pathways that knowledge has taken to get to us. Textbooks immediately come to mind, we aren't reading the great minds in their own words with helpful explanations, we're presented with a filtered version of the knowledge often without the history attached to it, that could vitally shape new viewpoints and knowledge. It's usually so dry too. So that's the problem with Carol in HR, she doesn't know who shaped those ideas but they implanted themselves in her mind anyway like Inception
49:55 teaching as a political act - no, that's indoctrination. Some of the people I remember from school saying they wanted to be teachers or otherwise be in a position of undue power honestly disturbs me, because I knew who they were and knew they didn't belong in those positions. Sounds like this woman is someone like that
Religious markers:
Original sin
Justification
Salvation
Sacred Text(s)
Sacraments
Liturgical observance
And the need for a clergy to interpret all these things and grant or withhold absolution.
Atonement.
-Distinct, enforced lack of humor
Patrick Rubino
Yep-except that I would say there is no real atonement. Perpetual penance seems more accurate. Which I also forgot.
Excommunication.
@@debblouin I love this list. I mean, the reality on which it’s based sickens me, but you nailed it.
I think Hicks is selling this problem short, saying that the people who want to make something of themselves are not attracted to this stuff. I think that's true, but it's the people who feel like they can't make something of themselves that I'm worried about, not out of sympathy, but because that doesn't stop them from doing stuff to tear down our society. Hicks talked about this himself. They feel powerless and weak, and they lash out using words and ideas. It's apparent that a lot of those people go into fields that have cultural and political power in our society: law, administration, political activism, cultural arts, education, advertising, etc. That's why Nayna talked about it "being everywhere." Everywhere the culture speaks to us, and directs our actions, there are the people who feel disaffected from the very society they inhabit.
So, yes, the people who want to make something of themselves go into engineering, finance, medicine, business, law, etc., but fundamentally those fields are governed by the former categories, and have even been infiltrated by them, beginning some level of rot. They in effect give the orders re. how much of that activity is free-associated, based on voluntary action, and how much is banned, or selectively directed. This is what has to be addressed.
I should further note that all of the fields to which those who want to make something of themselves aspire are only accessed through education. This is one of the fields that has been deeply infiltrated by this corrosive ideology. I heard years ago about how even those who want to teach engineering are dissuaded from doing so, because they have to go through teacher certification, through an ideology-ridden, mind-numbing school of education (though, this can be bypassed if one wants to teach at the college level).
There is nothing new under the sun, just rehashing of the labels … do you recall the phrase ‘those who can do and those who cannot teach’? (I may have garbled that slightly - my sincere apologies :-) - however the point stands … there are things that we’ve known forever but with each generation or two the losers, destroyers and general malcontents assume different camoflage to try to achieve their destructive ends …. its a never ending cycle unfortunately
@@richardgoodley7845 - What I'm often reminded of is the other end of what I'm talking about is our society's laziness, our inattentiveness to virtue. This allows the malcontents to do their work, because we're busy. So we just give kids to these people to indoctrinate (that part is ignored), because it's seen as daycare (one less thing for parents to worry about, so they think). Not to say all parents are like this, but I've been hearing about this for many years, and it seems to be widespread, and not just in the U.S. Years ago, I was talking with a high school teacher in Australia, who observed the same thing.
I think what repeats is the whole thing about hard times create good people, good people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create hard times, etc.
Please keep fighting the good fight! People like you, Stephen Hicks, Peter Bogosian, Jordan Peterson and many others inspire and educate
Wow. This video was so dense with interesting ideas. I had to stop and start so many times because there were so many things I wanted to write down.
Quote by Thomas Paine,
To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy
consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead ...
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” Edison
We are living the consequences of philosophical trial and error.
40:00 The kekistani metaphysics is meme magic and the SJW are hell bent on censorship as their metaphysics.
I think it's stuck in the "error" mode. If they were at least honestly trying different ideas, that would be encouraging (even if most were mostly bad). But they're locked into an orthodoxy and won't budge as a matter of principle.
@@mrbattowel Calling what the progressive left does orthodoxy is too conservative. The problem with their philosophy is that it needs to have absolute control and implementation. It is my way or the highway imposition of a new paradigm. Even though it has not worked in the past they keep trying by dandling the carrot of finally inventing enlightened utopia.
It is not an orthodoxy it is a deceptive power grab tactic that has been tried and failed numerous times in history.
I think what it has morphed into is suffering martyrdom as Top Dog, rather then suffering martyrdom as Under Dog. Mr Hicks nailed it @ 45:40 to 46:34. If academia continues down this path, making their parents and their hard working life the enemy, academia has made itself the Top Dog oppressor once Under Dog. This is the reason, as I see it, for the turn on post modernism. Your last clip got it too. Brilliant!!
Good chat, Mike!
A+ content the world needs!
Such a beautiful affectionate and serious dialogue between the brilliant dashing Hicks and clever and oh so handsome Nayna.
Wow! Exceptional stuff, Mike! Thank you for your hard work.
I want to push back on Professor Hicks when he says "ten years ago people weren't talking about postmodernism". Actually, Christians have been speaking about these ideas for over 20 years (you can listen to Tim Keller's talks, Ronald Nash's philosophy lectures and many others), because we could see the cliff ahead.
Like most things Hicks says, he is incorrect. trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=postmodernism
Yeah, it's called "fear of progress", but no Christian ever stopped to think "maybe I'm lending to overpopulation and the spread of the flood".
That's true, but I really wish they'd opposed it based on logic more than Christianity.
I'm Christian myself, but we need to remember that too many Christophobes think Christianity is "evil", "hateful", etc. So when we speak out about something that we can clearly see is going to have future catastrophic consequences (like the myriad autistic adolescents who get funnelled too easily into hormonal and surgical sex reassignment)* we need to use logical, rational arguments only, even when that means paraphrasing Biblical truths. Otherwise even the most rational point will be written off by Christophobes.
* I'm on the autism spectrum and I was a ferociously tomboyish little girl. I even used to say I wished I were a boy, and that I should've been born a boy.
If I were the exact same child I was, but if I was born in 2000, I'd currently be deeply regretting having undergone transition. Because now I'm glad I'm a woman in a woman's body.
The alacrity with which some vulnerable children are set on the path to transition, is going to someday make the Thalidomide generation pale in comparison.😞🤦🏾♀️😢
They've been talking about it since at least the 80s. It's probably been around 40 years
@@zxyatiywariii8 I am a deist who respects scripture, has many questions, and is open to different ideas. While I categorically reject the dangerous idea of human utopia, I believe a prosperous society will actively denounce religiosity, spiritual covenants, and religious institutions on the basis that they do not hold up against scientific method, or a moralist understanding of history, and present dangerous narratives, which are subject to murderous idealism left unchecked. Any individual may believe what they believe, and share it with others by any form of media they wish, but the formation of hierarchies, institutions or notions of self vs. other based on religious interpretations will inevitably lead to conflict and violence, denunciation and misunderstanding. Zealous orthodoxy enforced by threat of spiritual invalidation, among other coercive measures is also an ubiquitous feature of many major religions, both existing today and historically. If you can't prove the claims of your religion, then why follow it? Faith? Why hold faith in something that has no basis in reality? It's time that we come to terms with the fact that people are religious, because they were indoctrinated into it, or refuse to test the veracity of such beliefs. God may exist, who knows? Certainly, not theologians.
Quality work. Quality information.
Thank you Mike and Stephen for talking about this and bringing it to public light. We need more and more people to be discussing this. The cultural war has been going on right under most peoples noses and STILL IS unfortunately. Postmodernism vs everything we know really is the core fight and issue that too many are still oblivious too. Arguing on the surface about nothing while the real battle for minds is already largely lost in the "arts & education" fields. If we don't stand now then they will win, and pardon me if I don't believe it will be anything but a dystopian mess. If any crit theory sources can prove to me it is the way and the truth, show them to me, because all Ive seen so far, and I've seen a lot already, is just misguided delusion. Many are sincere in altruistic goals I am sure, but some driving these ideas are out for sheer power.
Who are the post modernists, using Hicks definition? He says here that the Left wants to eliminate democracy. He is full of crap. But if he says something smart here, please point to it.
@@psychcowboy1He names several in the video and never mentions "the left" as a monolith. Did you watch the video?
@@TheRose202 Who are the alleged post modernists and did Peterson say something intelligent?
@@psychcowboy1 As I just said, he mentions several by name in the video. Watch the video instead of going broken record mode in the comments section.
@@TheRose202 Peterson cited a post modernist being post modern, besides himself? Who?
I think what you should realize is that I am pretty sure that God is the spirit calls the inappropriately luxuriating out the terrible adventure of their life and then requires the highest possible sacrifice to obtain the highest possible goal, God orients you to the promised land and imbues you with the enthusiasm to make your way out of the tyranny...each story is a narrative circumambulation the union of virtues that could be embodied in perception and action that constitute the pinnacle of the pyramid...the hierarchy of society, if there is nothing placed at the highest place then then there is nothing in the highest place...the hierarchy of perception prioritization unites us socially, if we don't need a superordinate ethic to unite us then we are not united, we cannot cooperate together focus amicably on the same point, that is the death of God and the rise of nihilsm and cynicism, and that is where we are now. The world languishes to the degree that you are not all you could be, that actually could be the truth. [Do you agree?]
keep up the good work. it's needed and vital
Genius. Stuff. Here. Mike. Nayna.
GREAT discussion. Keep doing what you're doing!
CZcamsr Gaad Saad, PhD in Evolutionary Biology calls this a "mind virus" in the acadamy.
@Christian Ketterl All of you are ideologically possessed.
CynicalBroadcast: Are you calling the Ketterl black?
@@Yeetus223 Since I pertain to Idea, I suppose, yes.
Mike, keep up this brilliant work!
Brilliant conversation. The analysis is spot on.
Another great piece of work Mike. Cheers
A very thought provoking discussion!
Great work as always.
Speaking of the suffragettes, I'd suggest reading a couple of Hannah Wallen's pieces on them titled "Suffragettes can't save feminism" & "Suffragettes still can’t save feminism".
Spoilers: they are not the noble fighters for women's rights that they are so often portrayed as. Much like modern feminists they took an issue that affected both men & women and claimed it to be an issue that affects women uniquely.
Just like Emma Goldman who had multiple male sex-partners but became enraged when they "cheated". She ignored important women in her group who didn't comply. She helped plan an assassination - partially out of jealous revenge toward the person who could be blamed for it.
That professor looks like a mad scientist. He is talking about his dream work mock reality. Damm surreal and un hinged.He is taliking about a revolution. S. Hicks is a good teacher..
Excellent!
Keep up the good work man!
Wery powerfull video. Thank you . I love this kind of perspetive discution. I lern from it.
Thumbs up for Adam Curtis.
Liberal education is about self-empowerment. 'Critical' education is about teaching children to think 'the true dogma', regardless of what your faculties tell you.
Thx for posting. Those post modern academic types on video are seriously scary.
Legend
Hillariously genius!!!
Amazing! I'm a big fan of your work :)
Can I subtitle this (Portuguese - Br)?
Of course, yes. Thank you. The best way is to use the CZcams functionality.
@@MikeNayna Ok ... how do I do that? U mean the transcript button?
Yeah. You can this link: czcams.com/users/timedtext_video?v=K7iFIhUVHuw&ref=share .Or hit the settings button (bottom right of the video), then 'subtitles', 'add subtitles/CC'. Thanks a bunch, I really appreciate the effort.
@@MikeNayna Got it! Thank u :)
Unfortunately, we have similar problems at Brazilian universities.
@@camilajaquiel3867 Thanks! It's awesome when people help by adding subtitles, so we can share videos with friends who don't speak English.
Very helpful title!
Reading your vid description, if Adam Curtis gave you an okay that’s a lot of kudos!
Wait...
Is that a picture of a beardless Mike Nayna in Stephen Hicks background?
I told Think Spot I would only be involved if professor Hicks hung my portrait.
"I'm oppressed, therefor, I am." Brilliant! That needs to be on t-shirts and bumper-stickers.
Why you only have 46k subscribers I will never know
Seriously. You should so go on a bigger podcast to get the word out. Dave rubin or Joe Rogan for sure.
I want to be Pete Boghossian's drinking buddy so bad
The first round is on me.
Learning general semantics and how alfred korzybski explains extensional devices could help people think and reason better.
Mike, ever wonder how folks can comment on video content before the video is even posted to the public???
"Wanna be friends?" - Is The Most Dangerous Comment on CZcams - Apparently it's some type of bot attack. Evans111 did a video with this title. Check it out.
I am stoked to see your new work. Good Luck.
Thanks for the heads up. I'm still figuring out the world of CZcams. I usually just upload and let the masses have their way with it.
@@MikeNayna That's not a bad attitude to take.
Very interesting conversation. Hicks is inclined to be optimstic based on some quality pushback over the last 5 years, one has to wonder why (if postmodernism arguably started gaining traction in the 80's) there was insufficient pushback 40 years ago. How did it get so intwined in society internationally to such an insidious level without any pushback?
I think I have the answer to your question but please anyone who sees this tear it apart if you can.
My operating theory is there was so little push back in the initial stages of this phenomena because the initial round of participants did not step on anybody's toes and instead established a "new" intellectual discipline. That intellectual discipline being teaching.
My understanding is that before the development of teaching as a separate discipline you became a history teacher by getting a degree in history and then getting a job in teaching. You became a primary school teacher by demonstrating to a relevant body your mastery of the material and then starting teaching.
Prior to the sixties I don't think there was any training in teaching itself and that founding the new discipline of teaching teaching was by far the most successful influence vector they have had.
Teaching people to teach sounds very reasonable from most perspectives and who was going to provide that push back inside of a new and so obviously beneficial discipline.
Behold the century of self
And its the reason why The century of Beijing is about to arrive
Colm Moloney yup
We are enlightened army!!!
"Identitarian" in Oxford dictionary:
Relating to or supporting the political interests of a particular racial, ethnic, or national group, typically one composed of Europeans or white people.
That's a mistake on Oxfords part. It should just be defined: "(psychology) The set of ideas arising from an ontology of identity - or (sociology) Politics based on social identity."
They're mistaking the "Identitarian movement" for 'identitarianism', sort of like how Hicks foolishly conflates the concepts of "postmodernity" and "postmodernism".
The comments on micro-aggressions is exactly why I refer to that and other things as Oppression Of The Gaps. Our civilization will pay us to shout at it, and we don't appreciate how amazing that is, or defend what made that possible. It's an age of decadence and we won't acknowledge it.
Microfascism is clearly presented in the aggression against people with MAGA hats, in the linker-fachismus of ANTIFA. You are just not able to be critical about arguments...what's more, this is why you're here in this particular video. Hicks is a moron.
What an interesting conversation--I've never heard of either speaker. I'm pretty new to understanding logic, arguments, and philosophy. I would love to think as deeply as these gentlemen. If anyone has tips on where to even get started (like specific books, media, etc) that could help get me started, I'm open for suggestions. (I've got to admit, I needed a dictionary for a couple of terms they used here. I've got a long way to go.)
CZcams and reading have been the best teacher for me.
"For there will come a time when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, because they have itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in line with their own desires. 4 They will also turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths." - 2 Tim 4:3-4 EHV
Dr Martin Luther: "in those things which concern the spoken, outward Word, we must firmly hold that God grants His Spirit or grace to no one, except through or with the preceding outward Word, in order that we may [thus] be protected against the enthusiasts, i.e., spirits who boast that they have the Spirit without and before the Word, and accordingly judge Scripture or the spoken Word, and explain and stretch it at their pleasure, as Muenzer did, and many still do at the present day, who wish to be acute judges between the Spirit and the letter, and yet know not what they say or declare.
.. even though it is above and contrary to Scripture and the spoken Word.
5 All this is the old devil and old serpent, who also converted Adam and Eve into enthusiasts, and led them from the outward Word of God to spiritualizing and self-conceit, and nevertheless he accomplished this through other outward words.
6 Just as also our enthusiasts [at the present day] condemn the outward Word, and nevertheless they themselves are not silent, but they fill the world with their pratings and writings, as though, indeed, the Spirit could not come through the writings and spoken word of the apostles, but [first] through their writings and words he must come. Why [then] do not they also omit their own sermons and writings, until the Spirit Himself come to men, without their writings and before them, as they boast that He has come into them without the preaching of the Scriptures? But of these matters there is not time now to dispute at greater length; we have elsewhere sufficiently urged this subject.
7 For even those who believe before Baptism, or become believing in Baptism, believe through the preceding outward Word, as the adults, who have come to reason, must first have heard: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, even though they are at first unbelieving, and receive the Spirit and Baptism ten years afterwards.
8 Cornelius, Acts 10:1... had heard long before... of the coming Messiah, through whom he was righteous before God, and in such faith his prayers and alms were acceptable to God (as Luke calls him devout and God-fearing), and without such preceding Word and hearing could not have believed or been righteous. But St. Peter had to reveal to him that the Messiah (in whom, as one that was to come, he had hitherto believed) now had come, lest his faith concerning the coming Messiah hold him captive among the hardened and unbelieving... but know that he was now to be saved by the present Messiah, and must not... deny nor persecute Him.
9 In a word, enthusiasm inheres in Adam and his children from the beginning [from the first fall] to the end of the world, [its poison] having been implanted and infused into them by the old dragon, and is the origin, power [life], and strength of all heresy", see bookofconcord.org/smalcald-articles/part-iii/article-viii/
where do we get a copy of the HORST MAHLER interview? There are 3 libraries in the US with a VHS copy...
Can we get the full unedited interview?
This needs more attention wtf
I enjoy your videos very much.
I can't wait for your movie on greavence studies yours and red pill will be the foundation to true society enlightenment. I think the virus has helped put a wrench in the postmodern train. If you have to choose between attending medical school or take a femiest dance theory with a instragram account. Push come to shuff we need things that propel people forward so we can be prepared for real challenges.
Hello. Can you help me find the video of Bret Weinstein giving a speech in which he critiques Black Lives Matter? Maybe a year ago...? I think he was standing at a podium on a stage... My memory is not certain though...
13:19 useful clip
The clip from that primary school, it's just abuse what is happening to those children. It was hard to watch.
If they're competent enough to have a lasting impact, what can we do for the victims?
microcolonel Yup. I am a teacher in a primary school in the same city (but it’s everywhere) and I see it all the time. But the teachers and adminstrators who are doing this don’t realize what they are doing. They think they’re doing a good thing.
@@manaloola2018 Try to gather information at least. Some day we will need to hold people to account, and retrace the violence being committed against these kids' minds.
Brainwashed School Nanny turning POC kids into useless activist. TBH I think White Supremacy is working just well with these idiots!
@@manaloola2018 They know EXACTLY what they are doing, they just believe it's the RIGHT thing, the MORALLY CORRECT thing.
killcat1971 I guess the way I see it is that if they really knew what they were doing, if they really understood the long term damage that they’re causing they wouldn’t do it. I agree they fervently believe in what they’re doing
"Human Zoos tells the shocking story of how thousands of indigenous peoples were put on public display in America in the early decades of the twentieth century. ..
Often touted as "missing links" between man and apes, these native peoples were harassed and demeaned. Their public display was arranged with the enthusiastic support of the most elite members of the scientific community, and it was promoted uncritically by American's leading newspapers. This award-winning documentary explores the heartbreaking story of what happened, shows how African-American ministers and other people of faith tried to push back, and reveals how some people today are still drawing on Social Darwinism in order to dehumanize others. The film also explores the tragic story of eugenics in America, the effort to breed human beings based on Darwinian principles.
Human Zoos was an official selection of the African World Documentary Film Festival and has won awards for Best Editing (Oregon Documentary Film Festival), Best in Show (Cinema WorldFest Awards) and Awards of Excellence from the Impact Docs Awards and the Hollywood Independent Documentary Awards.", see czcams.com/video/nY6Zrol5QEk/video.html
"Oakeshott argues that the rationalist, in awarding theory primacy over practice, has gotten things exactly backwards: The theoretical understanding of some activity is always the child of practical know-how, and never its parent. In fact, he sees the dependence of theory on practice as being so unavoidable that not only is the rationalist incapable of skillful performances guided solely by theory, he is not even able to stick to his purported guidelines while performing poorly. Instead he inevitably will fall back on some tradition of how to proceed in order to give context to his abstract instructions...
Oakeshott points out that rationalism has had its greatest influence in the arena of politics... Oakeshott assigns to rationalist influence in modern political life may appear to be at odds with his assertion that the rationalist can never actually realize his program, but will always, in fact, wind up acting more or less along lines indicated by some existing practice. However, Oakeshott’s contention that the rationalist never really can proceed according to her avowed principles does not mean that her attempt to adhere to them will be inconsequential, but only that it will not succeed.
An analogy may be helpful here: A person who tries to fly by vigorously flapping his arms whenever he walks surely will fail to achieve his goal, but, in the endeavor, he will succeed in making his perambulations much more tiring, awkward, and comical. Similarly, since the pronouncements of the rationalist disparage current practices, customs, and morals, insofar as they do not follow from his rational deliberations about how his society ought to be ordered, they will erode the spontaneous ease of the communal life that those traditions nourished, while offering in its stead only the artificial routines and regulations of a “rational” bureaucracy. Oakeshott offers this example: “First, we do our best to destroy parental authority (because of its alleged abuse), then we sentimentally deplore the scarcity of ‘good homes’, and we end by creating substitutes which complete the work of destruction.”
Oakeshott’s view of the rationalist project as fundamentally misguided does not imply that all traditional practices are sacrosanct or even that they all are laudable. There is plenty of room in any healthy tradition for innovations and reforms, so long as those alterations spring from an appreciation of the life of that tradition, rather than representing an attempt to wipe it out and replace it with an abstract scheme. Traditions are like living organisms, in that both ought to and usually do grow and adapt in response to their external circumstances and internal tensions, or, failing to do so, soon cease to exist. But those adaptations, if they are to meet the challenges presented by novel situations successfully, must not promote the deterioration of the very organic order they purport to be serving.", see fee.org/articles/michael-oakeshott-on-rationalism-in-politics
"The Poverty of Historicism... Sir Karl Popper deployed a number of arguments to prick the pretensions of those who thought that they were, or could come to be, in possession of knowledge of the (social) future. These ‘historicists’ assumed that they could lay bare the law of evolution of a society, and that their possession of knowledge of such a law justified (large-scale) political action which had the aim of removing obstacles to the progress of history. In arguing against historicism Popper was clearly motivated by his interest in removing the intellectual backing for such revolutionary political practice", see www.cambridge.org/core/journals/royal-institute-of-philosophy-supplements/article/abs/grounds-for-antihistoricism/6AAE9206207FE5C9527070D9619C5EB3
"Ian Shapiro makes a compelling case that the overriding purpose of politics should be to combat domination. Moreover, he shows how to put resistance to domination into practice at home and abroad. This is a major work of applied political theory, a profound challenge to utopian visions, and a guide to fundamental problems of justice and distribution.
“Shapiro’s insights are trenchant, especially with regards to the Citizens United decision, and his counsel on how the ‘status-quo bias’ in national political institutions favors the privileged. After more than a decade of imperial overreach, his restrained account of foreign policy should likewise find support.”
―Scott A. Lucas, Los Angeles Review of Books", see www.amazon.com/Politics-against-Domination-Ian-Shapiro/dp/067498675X/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=ian+shapiro&qid=1611641485&s=books&sr=1-4
Y'know, when I watch this, I think of that great movie, The Exorcist, and how in a way it's about a little girl.
Except even though the girl is physically there, she's never actually present.
She's possessed.
The worst part of all of this, if possible even more so than what they're doing to children, that even when sjw's are getting 100% of their way, they still never smile genuinely.
Imagine getting what you want most, and only becoming more calloused and bitter.
Geography is so incredibly important and so deeply ignored. Geography helps illuminate migration, trade, cultural exchange or stagnation.
"Ideas matter" Ayn Rand. You don't have to be an objectivist, her philosophy, to be agree on that particular statement and all its consequences.
Yes, the IDEA matters...all matters are of the idea. Rand's idea was a massively rigorous discernment of direct failure on her part.
Anybody who has never left the academic world has a viewpoint I will certainly listen to, but am always careful to take with a grain of salt. I take people like Jordan Peterson much more seriously because he has experienced real world battles between good ideas and reality. He had a business program that should've been a no brainer to sell to corporations but they said no for reasons he never anticipated. It was a good lesson in theory versus reality. A lifetime professor has just as much experience with the "real world" as does a billionaire who was born into it.
Jesus! Find me that documentary that the last clip was showing about how the teachers are basically activists!
The problem with a soft revolution is that it will eventually get impatient, overreach and run headlong into a hard counter-revolution and the soft revolutionaries are not going to be prepared for what they've unleashed on themselves. I fear that time is rapidly approaching.
I just arrived at the thought that eutopia only exists in time not place. It is all too often a fleeting passing moment.
Utopia on the other hand is the attempt to freeze a eutopic state of affairs in a place or ideology.
The drive for creating utopian places is the nostalgia felt for the eutopic state.
Utopian ideologies are similarly nostalgic longings arising from memories of eutopic moments.
This is why ideologies drive people, it is the motivation behind religions that is referred to as 'zeal'.
The word zeal is used to excuse an inappropriate degree of enthusiasm, an exuberance, for a particular vision of a utopia born out of a longing for eutopia.
I think this is a more Christian view of these well meaning compassionate fascists.
“Carol in HR hasn’t read Foucault”... I think you meant ‘Karen’ 😉
@Ribb Rotgut also it's a callback from a lame 2003 Dane Cook stand up bit. not sure how it re-surfaced so hard
Lol that's exactly what I thought!
@Ribb Rotgut ok boomer.
@wings of a butterfly people take this stuff way too seriously. That's why it works. In the before time...in the long long ago people used to say: "don't feed the trolls."
Why they said this...no one alive really knows for certain, but when they say this during sacred time around the fires at night we have been told to use the reply handed down from the wisest zoomers: "ok boomer."
We say this in the hope that it will bring the rains back and return the wealth of over 9000 clans to this meta. One day before my brother leaves for college, if we hold true to the traditions, this might be so.
No he meant me! Me! Me! Me! I know he did - I know what he's like - he meant me!
What is the RAF movement?
Equalize the Repression!!
The cause versus the truth seems to be a stumbling block for almost of us...We long for belonging and then finally feel home when we connect our identity to a cause...Then we spend eons of our own wasted time tying ourselves in knots to prove the cause is right and to seek out other believers in the same cause...Then the cause betrays us and we too betray our fellow humans by choosing the cause over truth at a deconstructive moment we often don't even notice ourselves...I fit most of every public and private human action into this paradigm...Then John Carroll's book Humanism: The Rebirth and Wreck of Western Culture has useful boxes that give us more than left and right...The failure of left and right based analysis is the two meet at the back of the circle and critics and supporters on each side are as right as they are wrong...I think we can move past it or we can't develop the thinking past the tribalism of the left and right causes...All the arguments are obvious to most people but the next level would be educators, politicians, public policy players and philosophers who could value the truth over the cause no matter the outcome or risk...Everything else becomes Bentham utilitarianism mixed with macavellianism as a kind of obstinate justification...And finally all of us focusing on our causes plays perfectly into very powerful hands who don't believe in anything other than they are entitled to manipulate us and our causes for their own selfish ends...🙈
Have there been any studies on the types of ppl and personalities who are attracted to this idealogy? Seems to me like low-intelligence /sociopath type behaviour would be the perfect fit lol (amongst it's followers that is).
Grreat video btw. You guys are amazing at packaging these frameworks together in a coherant and organized way
Single parent households. Children of upper middleclass families. Definitely trending towards sociopathic and narcissistic tendencies. Just some of the trends I've noticed.
Gold 🤣go Aussie interviewer...
Teach your young children to say "Yes Massa" in school whenever confornted with critical pedagogy, and to the principal also if they get in trouble for doing so.
"Fascism is a component in all of us" - This is a crucial thing for everyone to understand. When you try to react against oppression, be careful you don't become the oppressor yourself.
Fascism isn't oppression though. It's a specific political ideology. I wish people wouldn't conflate authoritarianism and tyranny with fascism. The aforementioned come in many stripes. Let's use words properly.
@@nietzschean3138 - I'm fine with using words properly. I don't see how fascism is not fundamentally oppressive. I base that on its history, in Italy and Germany. Yes, it's an ideology, but I don't separate ideologies from the concepts of oppression just because they're ideologies. I'd put state communism in the same category.
People are free to call our society oppressive, but not without the demand that they justify that label, and face criticism for their judgment.
I really really disliked the way he worded it, but in a sense its generally true. I think theres a bit of a monster inside of all of us, and its naive to assume that your incapable of doing great harm because your on the right side of things. Fascism is just one aspect of that inner monster we have. I think labeling it minimizes the existential problem of it, as though fixing the symptom of fascism is a cure to evil.
@@nietzschean3138 totally agree. Read my other post in this thread. People are conflating these problems with a single word when its more grand and complex a scale than just a single ideological cause.
@@mmille10 I understand the sentiment but you aren't really using words properly if you continue to just use 'fascist' as a catch all pejorative term. That's my point. For example; calling someone a fascist when they say something that hints at authoritarianism just isn't accurate enough:
"Stop acting like a fascist"
"What have I done? Enacted a protectionist economic policy?".
What ought to be is subjective. The problem with ought and is are 2 different things
i wanted to add something smart but instead ill just say “Ya, what he said!”
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It's too bad that Thinkspot doesn't work in Firefox. I can't get anything on their homepage to work, nor is there an email address to report technical issues. I wonder how many potential views they are losing.
Hype
Hearing Helen and James lose their shit to the ridiculousness of the papers is music to my ears. If they were laughing directly in the faces of the charlatans who approved the papers
Hah! this speaks levels given the latest events in th US. ...
"Hitler-creep" Oof, yes.
You know you want it.
The revolutionaries got impatient and decided to crash the system this spring.
Nah, the first people to protest anything recently were right-wingers protesting "da lockdown".
I think both the farthest left and the farthest right have become insufferable this year. Meanwhile, the vast majority of people are just trying to keep food on the table, and to keep our families safe. 🤷🏾♀️
Because fighting racism with racism, discrimination with discrimination will totally work
"we can't do it through terrorism _anymore_" Ummm... what?
Giroux looks (and sounds) like Dustin Hoffman in a lady's wig
Well, this is playing out on the streets as we speak. Possessed by ideology as Peterson would put it.
Re discourses: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God.”
So The post modernists picked up the Christian idea of Logos and totally messed it up?
Let's check out Hicks a bit: "Engineers and scientists do stuff, it seems like magic. In philosophy which 90% is weird, we get principles wrong, what does that mean, do you have happiness as an ultimate goal, that is abstract, duties and obligations and what is expected of me, how does a person make a decision, this girl wants to have a degree and a baby, she has a plan, some women want to go to university, marry this boy down the street, this is a decision she has to make, one decision three centuries ago, women had different goals that was intrenched in philosophy, we are familiar with Marx and he had a PhD, his philosophy is nested, abstract philosophy made a huge difference, abstract philosophy convinces intellectuals, another revolution occurred, early post modernists, a pessimistic solution, power has been closed off to them in the capitalist West, they think politics is corrupted as well, Leftists organization educated young people, enough of democracy...'
[I swear with Hicks being a perfect example, the entire works of every philosopher since the beginning of time could go up in smoke tomorrow and society would barely feel a pin prick. Similar for psychology (Jordan Peterson), and economics, and law. None of these subjects generally move beyond common sense, or in Hicks and Peterson's case, useless rambling of talking heads. Hicks apparently is enlightening us, he is part of the Enlightenment Movement right?, that a young women has to make choices, either towards career or child raising, three centuries ago women had different choices than now, finishing up with the loon theory that Leftists want to get rid of democracy. I doubt that Hicks ever has a solution to anything, but here is one of mine: combine Philosophy and Psychology into a one year post high school combined degree, and same for Law/Economics degree. Even that is being generous.]
If you're trying to sound smart, you're failing spectacularly.
Quotes Hicks and then doesn't even have an argument beyond "nah, he's a loon".
Someone ring up the clown car, it's missing an occupant.
Maybe stick to you're shitty dream pop music while the adults are having a conversation.
Nobody pays attention to philosophers except other philosophers.