Addison Cain's lawyer e-mailed me, and it only got worse from there

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  • čas přidán 22. 10. 2020
  • Honey, you got a big storm comin'
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  • @LindsayEllisVids
    @LindsayEllisVids  Před 3 lety +7954

    Update: EFF has blogged about the whole thing, and it includes the full letters exchanged between EFF and Cain's lawyer, Tamara Watson: www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/defending-fair-use-omegaverse
    Update 2: Twitter thread with links to full letters from all parties involved + more documentation: twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1321183153172680708

    • @fuzzylumpkin8030
      @fuzzylumpkin8030 Před 3 lety +298

      Lindsay Ellis I have no knowledge of what you write but the vid was cool hope you can put the bs behind you good luck. May the Karens of 2020 get theirs in 2021🤬

    • @Pancakeslugs
      @Pancakeslugs Před 3 lety +16

      Wow.

    • @natchym
      @natchym Před 3 lety +183

      Make a fanfic about it

    • @YumexxxChan
      @YumexxxChan Před 3 lety +127

      Reading through all this drama took a lot of my evening, but I'm not embarrassed to say I'm entertained 😂

    • @kitwhitfield7169
      @kitwhitfield7169 Před 3 lety +60

      Wow, that Watson letter is exhausting to read! I really wonder what goes on in their minds.

  • @troublesomezorua
    @troublesomezorua Před 3 lety +3640

    It's really unfair how people steal her original characters, especially Bane.

  • @Jyrnn
    @Jyrnn Před 3 lety +4466

    "I didn't actually criticize her dumb book." Never change.

  • @missykay25
    @missykay25 Před 2 lety +6101

    The fact that CZcams, a platform normally notorious for saying "yes" to any DMCA take down request sent their way, actually said "nah" is really the most telling part of this entire story.

    • @hurgcat
      @hurgcat Před rokem +167

      i will never not get hype at i don't fuck with you at that point

    • @redwitch95
      @redwitch95 Před rokem +289

      I'm absolutely convinced it's because she explicitly called Lindsay's work transformative, it's literally one of the grounds for fair use.

    • @shib5267
      @shib5267 Před rokem

      wdym notorious? They're under safe harbor protections, they have to accept them unless they know it's bs and it's not gonna come bite them in the ass

    • @lorscarbonferrite6964
      @lorscarbonferrite6964 Před rokem +129

      @@redwitch95 That's what I think as well. Addison Cain effectively argued a case as to why Lindsay's video was fair use in her DMCA takedown request. It's honestly beautiful to see someone torpedoing their own attempted abuse of the legal system so rapidly and so completely.

    • @lizabethhampton4537
      @lizabethhampton4537 Před 11 měsíci +51

      ​@@lorscarbonferrite6964 "Congratulations, you played yourself"

  • @konosmar8719
    @konosmar8719 Před 2 lety +2848

    "This is as much effort as your gonna get look-wise. This isn't Contrapoints"
    "I haven't researched it that much because who do you think I am? Lindsay Ellis?"
    ICONIC.

    • @mellemadswoestenburg1296
      @mellemadswoestenburg1296 Před rokem +246

      Queens sarcastically supporting Queens. You love to see it.

    • @MononymousM
      @MononymousM Před 11 měsíci +35

      Haha, so; I came to this video directly from Lindsay's first overview of the situation and (putting aside the realisation after finding out from the comments that I'd just heard DAN OLSON masterfully play an alpha-dom in wolf porn, and the existential crisis that followed realising I was suddenly _way more interested_ in checking out folding ideas again 😶), the moment I realised it was contraptions doing one of the voice acting bits was a standout.
      See, I recognised the voice immediately, but had blanked on the name and so started to doubt it was her. And without thinking, my instinctive response to check this was to say, out loud:
      "Sweaty"
      in the same voice. And that's the story of how I instantly became 100% certain it was contrapoints without remembering contrapoints was her name 😅

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 Před 10 měsíci +17

      The best "Feud"™️ of all time 😂 supportive shade is the best (supportive shade or shady support?? Either way lol they're both awesome)

    • @Stequal2
      @Stequal2 Před 15 dny

      Truely great.

  • @Turbo_Waitress
    @Turbo_Waitress Před 3 lety +1411

    Say “omegaverse” five times in front of a mirror and Addison Cain’s lawyer will appear behind you with a cease and desist order.

    • @yawishable
      @yawishable Před 3 lety +37

      In crayon

    • @davidwoodward9528
      @davidwoodward9528 Před 3 lety +31

      I HEREBY DECLARE MY COPYRIGHT OF THE NAME "ALPHAVERSE" AND RESERVE ALL INTERNATIONAL RIGHTS TO F--- WITH ANYONE USING THE WORD IN ANY CAPACITY, NO MATTER HOW REASONABLE THAT USE MAY BE, BECAUSE I AM THAT KIND OF ALPHA JERK.

    • @Nononono-kt7oi
      @Nononono-kt7oi Před 3 lety +3

      I’m dying 😂

    • @KawaiiNancy
      @KawaiiNancy Před 3 lety

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @johnathannichols1853
      @johnathannichols1853 Před 3 lety

      I’m dying

  • @Blueeyesthewarrior
    @Blueeyesthewarrior Před 3 lety +2805

    “This is NOT fair use”
    Also
    “The poster significantly transformed my original work”
    Clearly this woman understands fair use.

    • @c.camillejones5331
      @c.camillejones5331 Před 3 lety +8

      Lmao

    • @Daye04
      @Daye04 Před 3 lety +2

      I suspect maybe you don't. Claiming it's not fair use *and* that it was transformed is not oxymoronic. I haven't seen the entire video, but I just saw a sus comment, and had to clarify

    • @dinhvo276
      @dinhvo276 Před 3 lety +68

      @@Daye04 it's sarcasm matey

    • @Daye04
      @Daye04 Před 3 lety +3

      @@dinhvo276 yeah. It's sarcastic when the commenter says 'clearly this woman understands fair use". Implying that the two sentences are an oxymoron. Which they're not. Do we all not understand copyright law?

    • @elif6908
      @elif6908 Před 3 lety +44

      @@Daye04 I think you don’t understand what fair use is? Watch the first vid my friend!

  • @Heyitsmebex
    @Heyitsmebex Před 2 lety +1127

    Addison Cain seems like that girl in high school who always claims to "hate drama" but is always the one starting all of the drama.

    • @tiner8414
      @tiner8414 Před rokem

      I bet she only hung out with boys, because girls were too much drama - Because they would get pissed when she boned their boyfriends...

    • @Lucifersfursona
      @Lucifersfursona Před 4 měsíci

      Addison Cain is the “feminist” who tells teenage girls to cover up or they’re asking for it

  • @marialarson1711
    @marialarson1711 Před 2 lety +4790

    The increasingly unhinged way that Jenny says “To whom it may concern” brings me joy

    • @KateCat420
      @KateCat420 Před rokem +188

      No joke, I just thought I was getting more fed up with Addison Cain, I didn't realise till reading this the voice actually WAS getting crazier 😂

    • @alexandrezani
      @alexandrezani Před rokem +160

      I also love the way Jenny switches to unhinged-sweet at the end of the letters.

    • @bitchboymghee
      @bitchboymghee Před rokem +104

      Not that it even needs it but her voice acting really elevates the video

  • @trashypunkman7559
    @trashypunkman7559 Před 3 lety +2670

    Addison Cain is that one girl who bullied people in high school then claimed she was bullied.

    • @cam4636
      @cam4636 Před 3 lety +3

      Only one?

    • @trashypunkman7559
      @trashypunkman7559 Před 3 lety +19

      @@cam4636 re read that I was describing Addison Cain as one girl unless you think she has a mental problem and that's what you're hinting at.

    • @basedbattledroid3507
      @basedbattledroid3507 Před 3 lety +12

      That's pretty much every bully who bullied me.

    • @Sam-hi4ce
      @Sam-hi4ce Před 3 lety

      i love your profile pic

    • @ScravyGravy
      @ScravyGravy Před 3 lety +35

      She stole kids' lunch money and said "It's pretty cringe you don't have lunch money"

  • @bananawal8215
    @bananawal8215 Před 3 lety +6124

    If you don't put the quote "I think Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child" on the cover of your next book, I'm rioting.

    • @Yurt_enthusiast7
      @Yurt_enthusiast7 Před 3 lety +145

      I think we found the best comment folks!

    • @DewMan001
      @DewMan001 Před 3 lety +560

      A review quote; "a menace, a threat to my child" -Addison Cain

    • @Pyper1887
      @Pyper1887 Před 3 lety +232

      On the back cover where they usually put the rave reviews.

    • @Pyper1887
      @Pyper1887 Před 3 lety +70

      @@DewMan001 Posted 13 seconds apart. Great minds, man, great minds.

    • @alexmuller6752
      @alexmuller6752 Před 3 lety +187

      why wait? let's pre-riot. just in case.
      _pulls out foldable pocket pitchfork_

  • @gremli7778
    @gremli7778 Před 2 lety +2056

    "the poster significantly transformed my original work... NOT FAIR USE"
    uhhh... 👀
    I laughed so hard at that! she walked into the truth and still somehow missed it

    • @jzdude01
      @jzdude01 Před rokem +74

      Bruh I was dying at this. Literally couldn’t control myself with the idiocy of the statement.

    • @stalfithrildi5366
      @stalfithrildi5366 Před rokem +43

      I did not walk into the truth, I was deliberate hit in the face by a large object that had "F A C T S" written upon it

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 Před 10 měsíci +16

      That's the funniest part of all this, like it shows how deeply she doesn't know what she's even arguing about atp 😂

    • @rafiazad2271
      @rafiazad2271 Před měsícem

      But but don't you understand? Addison Cain thought it was not fair.

  • @TheIdiotNebula
    @TheIdiotNebula Před 2 lety +898

    The fact that Cain sent a DMCA takedown notice to CZcams, and YT corporate proceeded to tell Lindsay that they think it's bullshit and they're just going to ignore it, is the single biggest plot twist in anime history.

  • @simonejudeamuhammad6047
    @simonejudeamuhammad6047 Před 3 lety +5873

    "Ms. Cain, that's not what a hate crime is."
    "Well I hated it!"

  • @StartledSloth
    @StartledSloth Před 3 lety +6686

    Addison Cain: "Textbooks are public domain"
    College students: *wait WHAT?*

    • @CorvusCoraxification
      @CorvusCoraxification Před 3 lety +629

      Public domain is when you do things for the public and the more public it is for the more domains it is

    • @ryans4877
      @ryans4877 Před 3 lety +112

      Argumentative counter post

    • @xethified
      @xethified Před 3 lety +204

      Nothing to say. I'm just driving engagement.

    • @Ancusohm
      @Ancusohm Před 3 lety +108

      Yeah, I was pretty surprised to 'learn' that too.

    • @oleanderwyvern
      @oleanderwyvern Před 3 lety +138

      I would say "man I wish" because I have friend who felt this pain, but my college had a rental program so my textbooks were free. Didn't help with regular books tho.

  • @BwooHuraca
    @BwooHuraca Před 5 měsíci +126

    I cried laughing at "this isn't fair use" followed shortly after with "the poster significantly transformed my work by mocking it."

  • @matthewlucas4990
    @matthewlucas4990 Před rokem +928

    The most important takeaway? Someone needs to give Jenny her big break into mainstream voice acting.

    • @REDACTEDbox
      @REDACTEDbox Před 8 měsíci +27

      legit, rarely have i ever been so pissed off to hear the voice of someone so based

    • @arielsclamshellbra
      @arielsclamshellbra Před 6 měsíci +39

      Jenny wrote and voiced every character for My little pony friendship is witchcraft, which is iconic, she is literally already a LEGEND in voice work so...

    • @madeline6951
      @madeline6951 Před 4 měsíci +7

      ​​@@arielsclamshellbraI mean yeah, but also that was a kinda niche production and Jenny later said that it was kinda cringe
      I'd be down for her to voice videogames or something

    • @matthewlucas4990
      @matthewlucas4990 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​​@@arielsclamshellbraAnd I specifically wrote "mainstream" so... (New to reading?)

    • @SoulDevoured
      @SoulDevoured Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@matthewlucas4990and he was just adding to the conversation for those who might not know so... New to the idea that the internet is public and replies might not specifically be about you?

  • @Mgooy
    @Mgooy Před 3 lety +613

    "I feel Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child, and is monetizing defamation for personal gain" HAS to be the quote on the cover of your next book

    • @AnnaDeeDee
      @AnnaDeeDee Před 3 lety +28

      fully agree, and I'm commenting to drive that engagement

    • @nemmiril
      @nemmiril Před 3 lety +18

      Here is my engagement comment agreeing with you but also an invitation for a “fight”.

    • @MedeaGrey
      @MedeaGrey Před 3 lety +7

      Agreed! One heck of a tagline.

    • @aacsmiles
      @aacsmiles Před 3 lety +6

      If should be the entire about author blurb

    • @gusiap1
      @gusiap1 Před 3 lety +5

      Yeeep agreed!

  • @briannamcfarland5974
    @briannamcfarland5974 Před 3 lety +450

    Addison Cain is so wrong that CZcams and Patreon are BOTH on their creator's side. Wow.

    • @madisonrose1893
      @madisonrose1893 Před 3 lety +25

      yeah, that sounds so satisfying. they got Lindsay's back WOHOO!

    • @keymer91
      @keymer91 Před 3 lety +5

      @@madisonrose1893 woooo for LINDSEY

    • @rochelleg6245
      @rochelleg6245 Před 3 lety +3

      They hate to see it 😭

    • @DezMarivette
      @DezMarivette Před 3 lety +2

      CZcams actually did an about face and went "nah, not gonna take this one down." The Gains!!

    • @jellyjilli1004
      @jellyjilli1004 Před 3 lety

      Since we are suppose to engage a lot here in the comment session... Hello fellow BABY. A damn BABY I say.

  • @geekgirl_luv4262
    @geekgirl_luv4262 Před 8 měsíci +154

    “I have been Courtney Milan’s favorite punching bag for YEARS” she said one thing on twitter about a lawsuit you were involved in because YOU asked her for her opinion

  • @loganmiller7827
    @loganmiller7827 Před 2 lety +716

    I can't fathom how she could be like "this isn't fair use! She significantly transformed my work!" Like broski did you even read what fair use is

    • @nejdalej
      @nejdalej Před rokem +71

      See its not fair use because she feels its unfair to use her work in a way she doesn't like.

    • @katelyntaylor7384
      @katelyntaylor7384 Před rokem +37

      "That's not a hate crime." "Well, I hated it."

    • @Whiteythereaper
      @Whiteythereaper Před rokem +10

      She seems like the kind of person that would upload a full album of Taylor Swift songs on her CZcams channel, put fair use in the description & then act all surprised when every video gets bopped by copyright

    • @TevelDrinkwater
      @TevelDrinkwater Před 11 měsíci +4

      "But it's not *fair*!"

    • @GippyHappy
      @GippyHappy Před měsícem

      Legit hilarious, like is she trying to imply it *would* be fair use if they DIDN'T change it in anyway and just read it normally?

  • @tacoman232323
    @tacoman232323 Před 3 lety +5064

    Cain's lawyer, looking at Cain's wallet: "It's free real estate."

  • @ellipsis...1986
    @ellipsis...1986 Před 3 lety +2027

    I'm going to be crushed if I ever actually hear Addison's voice. It can't possibly hold up to Jenny's voiceover.

    • @bombarded15
      @bombarded15 Před 3 lety +64

      She needs a movie, absolutly nailed it

    • @BettyAlexandriaPride
      @BettyAlexandriaPride Před 3 lety +8

      Omg hahaha, I was just thinking about her actual voice.

    • @justanotheryoutubecommente2
      @justanotheryoutubecommente2 Před 3 lety +88

      At a certain point in the video I forgot that that's not what she actually sounds like

    • @stewieismyhomeboy
      @stewieismyhomeboy Před 3 lety +93

      It's like when I first heard Jared Kushner speak. I was so used to having Gilbert Gottfried dub over him on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

    • @PranavanathanYoganathan
      @PranavanathanYoganathan Před 3 lety +6

      Here for the engagement!

  • @Keely_OReally
    @Keely_OReally Před rokem +272

    Is it just me or is anyone else having secondhand embarrassment every time Cain's lawyer letters are read?

    • @Financiallyfreeauthor
      @Financiallyfreeauthor Před rokem +14

      And also when the portions of the actual stories are read…

    • @RainAngel111
      @RainAngel111 Před rokem +23

      Considering what a poor grasp of the law her "lawyer" seems to have I'm pretty sure that Cain is writing most if not all of the letters or at most someone like a paralegal is helping her write them without actually knowing shit about it.

    • @zeviv7313
      @zeviv7313 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Yes, I actually had to scroll through some of those parts because of too much second hand embarrassment.

    • @RezValla
      @RezValla Před 5 měsíci

      “lawyer”

  • @garypoisson2733
    @garypoisson2733 Před 11 měsíci +60

    "No one cares about your response video, Gary."
    What the heck did I do?!

  • @jurastanley1997
    @jurastanley1997 Před 3 lety +781

    Also, as an indie author who has been in this game for six years, I'm taking a stab in the dark with why Addison Cain redirected her contempt toward the other authors listed... it's because she thought she could bully them more since they are indie authors, versus trying to bully you as a trad. pub author. This isn't the first time this has happened in the indie author world. And sadly, won't be the last.

    • @Shaddiewolf
      @Shaddiewolf Před 3 lety +29

      That's incredibly sad and discouraging :(

    • @chassonknight1383
      @chassonknight1383 Před 3 lety +73

      My brief experience has been that erotica authors are extremely supportive of one another. This event has arisen from narcissism. For crying out loud; we write smut for people to get off on! Let's just have fun with it.

    • @berryfreezepop
      @berryfreezepop Před 3 lety +7

      With prejudice lololol 😂

    • @VampEdits
      @VampEdits Před 3 lety +9

      @@chassonknight1383 Right? This whole thing is- wow.

    • @Shakenmike117
      @Shakenmike117 Před 3 lety +4

      What are some of your books?

  • @Sara-jh8jj
    @Sara-jh8jj Před 3 lety +4619

    jenny does that "indignant middle class white woman picking a public fight with words she doesn't understand" voice so well

  • @MrWarptime
    @MrWarptime Před rokem +1530

    Of this whole saga, my favourite part was when she claimed to have invented heterosexuality and rape.
    Wild.

    • @jaquitavulpix3418
      @jaquitavulpix3418 Před rokem +123

      Yeah, that still is the most baffling part to me. You're really telling me you innovated dub/non con in hetero smut? just wow.

    • @sasaki999pro
      @sasaki999pro Před rokem +51

      WEIRD Flex but okay

    • @madeline6951
      @madeline6951 Před rokem +13

      I mean, I wish she was right, lol?

    • @i10i60
      @i10i60 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@madeline6951 How? People have been writing rapey m/f A/B/O content inspired by the Omegaverse since 2010-2011 on Tumblr. I'm pretty sure it's still available to read.

    • @madeline6951
      @madeline6951 Před 11 měsíci +38

      @@i10i60 what? I said "I wish she was right" meaning "if she did invent rape, that would've meant that rape didn't exist prior to that in history". I was making a joke. I never even implied she was even a little bit right.

  • @andreaobaez864
    @andreaobaez864 Před rokem +109

    You know, I'm on my 5th rewatch, and it just dawned on me that this video includes various examples of how much goodwill Lindsay has fostered with her business partners over the years.

  • @princeofmen
    @princeofmen Před 3 lety +3852

    CZcams denying a DMCA is like the devil looking at a murder and going "yeah that's a bit excessive ngl".

    • @fockingreat1125
      @fockingreat1125 Před 3 lety +173

      *slowly shuffles out of room*

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one Před 3 lety +77

      What was THAT murder method?

    • @qfroman
      @qfroman Před 3 lety +104

      Hey I don't like how you misrepresented the Devil in this comment!

    • @Rsmr27
      @Rsmr27 Před 3 lety +11

      Right?!?

    • @dougthedonkey1805
      @dougthedonkey1805 Před 3 lety +21

      Couldn’t describe it better

  • @duod7847
    @duod7847 Před 3 lety +550

    I know that's probably a youthful naïveté on my part, but I never imagined someone who started out as a Bane thirst fanfiction writer would choose "I didn't like how they transformed my work" as a hill to die on.

    • @seaport7421
      @seaport7421 Před 3 lety +46

      She's never going to get Tom Hardy to love her by acting like this

    • @danielt8919
      @danielt8919 Před 3 lety +27

      That's how the Fifty Shades author behaves, and she's also a fanfiction author turned pro

    • @NegaLomie
      @NegaLomie Před 3 lety +13

      And going after another author for plagiarizing a character.

    • @danielt8919
      @danielt8919 Před 3 lety +15

      Hey snitch that was my thought. I'm suing you for mental plagiarism

    • @duod7847
      @duod7847 Před 3 lety +5

      Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

  • @martiflette
    @martiflette Před 2 lety +189

    Lindsay taking down everything they’re saying gives me big “that’s not true Ellen, you were invited” vibes

  • @katem.3677
    @katem.3677 Před 2 lety +197

    Cain: Look at this turtle.
    Professional herpetologist: Actually that's a tortoise.
    Cain: THE PERSECUTION OF ME NEVER ENDS!!!!!

    • @Pineappolis
      @Pineappolis Před rokem +30

      Cain: Furthermore, while you may be a tenured professor of Herpetology at Harvard with in excess of 200 citations to your name, it doesn't escape my notice that you haven't published a paper in over _three weeks,_ making your claim to be an authority on the matter, and therefore the validity of your opinion, suspect at best.

    • @user-ok5mz5qv4s
      @user-ok5mz5qv4s Před 10 měsíci +3

      ​@@Pineappolis😅😅😅😅

    • @Pineappolis
      @Pineappolis Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@user-ok5mz5qv4s A sincere thank you for reminding me that I can, once in a great while when the stars are aligned, be quite witty. I completely forgot about that comment.
      EDIT: Although, in hindsight, my use of the word 'citations' is a bit ambiguous. _I_ have more than 200 citations across the papers I published during my PhD way back when (not a brag - your ability to publish in top journals and therefore get cited is based almost _entirely_ on how big a name your supervisor is and it was pure luck that I ended up working for a _seriously_ big gun in an _incredibly_ niche field that no-one else in my year was interested in because it sounded a lot scarier than it was). Should have gone with 'publications' instead.

  • @catiem1029
    @catiem1029 Před 3 lety +848

    Addison Cain’s real kink is spending the rest of her life in copyright court

  • @niajosy4937
    @niajosy4937 Před 3 lety +605

    The fact that Addison Cain thinks that textbooks are not copyrighted, seems like she's never read one.

    • @Pizza_Party
      @Pizza_Party Před 3 lety +25

      Honestly. Like, that's intellectual property too

    • @thompsonfj1
      @thompsonfj1 Před 3 lety +17

      Lol, right!? As a recovering academic, my eyes almost popped out of my head!

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one Před 3 lety +3

      For real?!

    • @courtneyrae3555
      @courtneyrae3555 Před 3 lety +7

      It would literally be *more* likely to qualify for infringement if it were a textbook she was reading from because you could then possibly make the argument that it was cutting into their share of the market. It would still be a hard sell if it was cited correctly, but it would definitely not be less likely to count as infringement. Teachers have been sued for making print outs from textbooks for crying out loud

    • @climb318
      @climb318 Před 3 lety +5

      I got in more trouble for pirating calculus textbooks than I ever have for vast amounts of entertainment media.

  • @QueenSoledad
    @QueenSoledad Před rokem +237

    Looking back on this, the damn baby thing is the funniest part to me. She literally used Lindsay doing due diligence to make sure her child’s face wasn’t in the video (to avoid the baby being harassed) as evidence of harassment 🙃

    • @dragonfire7965
      @dragonfire7965 Před 8 měsíci +22

      There’s a maybe small but non zero chance that that baby will see this video someday

  • @mtwall5933
    @mtwall5933 Před 2 lety +246

    I miss Lindsay also Jenny deserves an Oscar for her performance as Addison Cain

  • @CHWM11
    @CHWM11 Před 3 lety +374

    Also Jenny Nicolson should just make a career of reading tweets in a bitchy voice, she's way too good at it

    • @dismurrart6648
      @dismurrart6648 Před 3 lety +17

      Right?! She does a great job. The inflection when she's reading Addison being whiny in the first vid was grade a perfection

    • @alexmuller6752
      @alexmuller6752 Před 3 lety +15

      pre-ordering the audio book right now.

    • @kathham9342
      @kathham9342 Před 3 lety +10

      I totally didn’t realize this was Jenny Nicholson holy shit

    • @TirOrah
      @TirOrah Před 3 lety +10

      @@dismurrart6648 To WHOM it MAY conCERN...

  • @reid3031
    @reid3031 Před 3 lety +1287

    The least threatening life form: Jenny Nicholson
    The most threatening life form: Jenny Nicholson saying "To whom it may concern"

    • @SorowFame
      @SorowFame Před 3 lety +82

      @@patrickrowan6001 you don’t mess with a girl who has a giant plush spider.

    • @luisf2793
      @luisf2793 Před 3 lety +18

      @@SorowFame let's hope she never combines her giant Porg with her giant Spider to make a giant flying orange spider

    • @romxxii
      @romxxii Před 3 lety +13

      Wait till Jenny Nicholson starts asking for a manager.

    • @cam4636
      @cam4636 Před 3 lety +8

      @@patrickrowan6001 You know what, I'm not one to kinkshame. Live your truth brother

    • @annedavis3340
      @annedavis3340 Před 3 lety

      @@luisf2793 I ship it

  • @starry65
    @starry65 Před 2 lety +68

    "Lindsey Ellis is a menace" I immediately read that like J Jonah Jameson saying "Spider-man is a menace"

  • @WNSHeather
    @WNSHeather Před 2 lety +134

    They level of paranoia and conspiracy rabbit hole that Cain and crew goes down is concerning from a mental health perspective. She honestly sees herself as a victim of everyone and everything.

  • @ember2.031
    @ember2.031 Před 3 lety +1668

    "This is not fair use"
    "She significantly altered my work"
    Speech: 100

    • @nathanielsmith5976
      @nathanielsmith5976 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah...this is fun!

    • @Monie71793
      @Monie71793 Před 3 lety +1

      👌🏽

    • @MsScarletwings
      @MsScarletwings Před 3 lety +38

      It’s like she’s trying to win a record for the amount of times she can get legal terms ass backwards and contradict herself in a single correspondence. At this point I don’t know if she’s just playing the ignorance of a 12 year old who doesn’t understand dick about copywrite law because she’s that stubborn on doubling down out of pure, petty malice, OR if she is somehow just THAT dense and air-headed. The more she speaks the dumber she sounds, like what does she think she has to gain?

    • @rudeboyjohn3483
      @rudeboyjohn3483 Před 3 lety +7

      @@MsScarletwings I also enjoyed Tiffania Watson's use of "exhibit" in a letter...y'know, outside of an actual trial.

    • @brendanmilburn9067
      @brendanmilburn9067 Před 3 lety +5

      @@MsScarletwings
      Seriously, this is as incompetent as Digital Homicide's lawsuit against Jim Sterling.

  • @OmegaInfinityAlpha
    @OmegaInfinityAlpha Před 3 lety +4228

    Is it bad that throughout this entire convoluted mess, the most unbelievable part to me is that CZcams did its damn job for once?

    • @imjustdandy9799
      @imjustdandy9799 Před 3 lety +307

      That was the upset of the decade imo

    • @kailebdv
      @kailebdv Před 3 lety +370

      Seriously tho! My jaw dropped when i saw they actually took her side 😂

    • @crumb2380
      @crumb2380 Před 3 lety +292

      Addison Cain is just That Wrong

    • @olivier8278
      @olivier8278 Před 3 lety +128

      Probably just a side effect of 2020 tbh

    • @diogog.fernandes6650
      @diogog.fernandes6650 Před 3 lety +25

      Right? Hahaha

  • @tiacat11
    @tiacat11 Před rokem +76

    I fucking lost it in the credits at
    Angelina Meehan
    as herself
    Her Damn Baby
    as her damn self
    My god Lindsay can hold a torch

  • @dougthemoleman
    @dougthemoleman Před 9 měsíci +44

    Addison Cain is the person you show to friends who think privilege isn't real.

    • @SpawnRevenge92
      @SpawnRevenge92 Před měsícem

      I feel like people who think that will just see this and side with Cain.

  • @KaijaSchmauss
    @KaijaSchmauss Před 3 lety +568

    Lindsay: [blurs Addison's child's face because the kid is innocent in all this garbage and she is a decent person]
    Addison: MY CHILD WAS THREATENED. HER IDENTITY WAS MADE PUBLIC.

    • @SFox-if9id
      @SFox-if9id Před 3 lety +58

      Not only that, but if I heard correctly, the photo was from her Gofundme page, unblurred, in the first place..not to mention all the referenced public postings...

    • @RivkahSong
      @RivkahSong Před 3 lety +16

      The tweet she included WITH the statement proving Lindsey called her kid a "damn baby" was even all about blurring the kid's face in pictures so as to keep it's identity safe. She actually provided evidence AGAINST her claim to prove it.🤦‍♀️

    • @MidLa23
      @MidLa23 Před 3 lety +11

      Lindsay: [offhandedly refers to Addison's child as "dumb baby" while griping about said blurring and Addison's lack of caution with her public profiles]
      Addison: HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY CHILD THIS WAY

    • @Cerberusmon
      @Cerberusmon Před 3 lety +17

      She just can't stop telling lies, can she?

    • @larkrogers3690
      @larkrogers3690 Před 3 lety +6

      Ah Addison, is she didn't look bad in the first video... now?

  • @ArushiAggarwal
    @ArushiAggarwal Před 3 lety +2737

    Why does Addison remind of me that one meme that goes, "Not now, sweetie, Mommy's cyberbullying"

    • @Sadin15
      @Sadin15 Před 3 lety +56

      I laughed at this more than I should’ve

    • @jamesrutley1009
      @jamesrutley1009 Před 3 lety +13

      @@Sadin15 Same

    • @cwmd7651
      @cwmd7651 Před 3 lety +23

      I have never heard of this before now but I love it

    • @omgkthxbi
      @omgkthxbi Před 3 lety +46

      I think you mean "shut up damn baby, mommy's cyberbullying"

    • @edgarallenhoe3518
      @edgarallenhoe3518 Před 2 lety

      does that make Lindsay the mayor? ...of youtube?

  • @grayk3803
    @grayk3803 Před rokem +310

    The minimum requirement it takes for some dudes to consider someone “hot” never ceases to amaze me. Like, be blonde and thin. I’d be scared to leave a pack of saltines in a room alone with them.

    • @daniel_rossy_explica
      @daniel_rossy_explica Před rokem +2

      I like how you qualified your statement with "some dudes". I mean, I don't want to be that guy, but I'm usually more interested in what she has to say rather than how she looks. If she's pretty, that a plus, but not a must.

    • @ageamiu8923
      @ageamiu8923 Před rokem +28

      @@daniel_rossy_explica I honestly wonder if these kinds of guys are really attracted to those women (that they don’t really know or like), or if they just say that because it’s expected of them…

    • @charadefae
      @charadefae Před rokem +81

      “i don’t wanna be that guy” *proceeds to be that guy*

    • @daniel_rossy_explica
      @daniel_rossy_explica Před rokem +4

      @@charadefae I meant "I don't want to be the the guy that says

    • @daniel_rossy_explica
      @daniel_rossy_explica Před rokem +2

      @@ageamiu8923 In my experience, it depends on how you meet the girl. If you met her IRL, chances are that she doesn't just look nice, but also sounds nice and (stay with me here) smells nice.
      If you met her on the Internet first, it is less likely that you really like her for her picture alone.

  • @bryonyon4452
    @bryonyon4452 Před 3 lety +2000

    Addison Cain: does something illegal
    Everyone: that was illegal
    Addison Cain: this is a conspiracy to ruin my life

    • @Shaddytheguy
      @Shaddytheguy Před 3 lety +98

      Damn, she should be a conservative politician

    • @Lucifersfursona
      @Lucifersfursona Před 3 lety +19

      President Addison Cain?

    • @Shaddytheguy
      @Shaddytheguy Před 3 lety +14

      Sure she does bro

    • @bathtubgoat2249
      @bathtubgoat2249 Před 3 lety +4

      Commenting for the Algy, here is engagement

    • @RebecaC12
      @RebecaC12 Před 3 lety +9

      @@Shaddytheguy Don't give her ideas! We already have too many of those dipshits!

  • @X3I213
    @X3I213 Před 3 lety +402

    I see things are getting heated in the heterosexual wolf porn fandom.

  • @mermaidreflection6530
    @mermaidreflection6530 Před rokem +478

    God, Linsay we miss you.

    • @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo
      @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo Před rokem +19

      She still makes content on nebula I believe.

    • @mermaidreflection6530
      @mermaidreflection6530 Před rokem +6

      @@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo I checked into that but it looks like paid subs kinda thing.

    • @samniel
      @samniel Před rokem +29

      I get very uncomfortable when she says "we're all bored and losing our minds and cancelling is fun now" like, oof, she was talking about that exact sort of people...

    • @mermaidreflection6530
      @mermaidreflection6530 Před rokem +40

      @@samniel I can't say I blame her for wanting to separate from the CZcams/Twitter world. They were so cruel to her, so many times. I mean, Jesus, her 'Mask Off' video is heart-breaking.

    • @Nevri.
      @Nevri. Před rokem +22

      @@mermaidreflection6530 To the point she unlisted it. Good to hear she still makes videos for Nebula. I was sure she decided to stop making videos at all.

  • @HORoundhouse
    @HORoundhouse Před 8 měsíci +35

    Cain: Hey Milan, can you give me your professional opinion on this lawsuit I'm pursuing?
    Milan: Doesn't look like you have much of a case, tbh
    Cain: Milan is an unethical hack who doesn't know what she''s talking about!!!!
    Addison's blood pressure medications must cost her an absolute fortune.

  • @emdskan2701
    @emdskan2701 Před 3 lety +738

    Cain: this is NOT fair use
    a judge: how so
    Cain: it's not fair to me

    • @TashJansson
      @TashJansson Před 3 lety +16

      waaay funnier now that I have her voice from lindsay's video in my head forever

    • @gluestickgenius2644
      @gluestickgenius2644 Před 3 lety +28

      I think this is honestly how she interprets that phrase.

    • @madisonrose1893
      @madisonrose1893 Před 3 lety +1

      ahahahhaa i love this. so good XD

    • @strubberyg7451
      @strubberyg7451 Před 3 lety

      She's not that suicidal, definitely not digital...

    • @RebecaAlexandre
      @RebecaAlexandre Před 3 lety +10

      When a spoiled kid grows up and a Karen is formed.

  • @7upjawa
    @7upjawa Před 3 lety +340

    "She has significantly transformed the work"
    Well looks like she won the fair use case for you.

  • @flickawhite
    @flickawhite Před rokem +41

    the most surprising part of this video is lindsay saying she doesnt have an ao3 account

    • @bigamateur9055
      @bigamateur9055 Před rokem

      Is it woth it? I've been considering applying for one

    • @elenafriese891
      @elenafriese891 Před rokem +8

      ​@@bigamateur9055I'd say so?
      It makes categorizing bookmarks somewhat discretely easy, and writing fan fiction on a pretty chill site is good fun.
      AO3 in general is pretty high quality, and has a *really* good search and general categorization system

  • @idrisatardis5553
    @idrisatardis5553 Před 2 lety +49

    I wish I had the job security of Cain’s lawyer.

  • @therealVioletParr
    @therealVioletParr Před 3 lety +2364

    I started my new job at a law firm recently and was talking with one of my new coworkers about romance novels and she mentioned “some weird shit” she’s seen and I was like “I do not know how to ask this in a SFW way but was it, um...” and she went “no it’s not the wolf thing” and then she specifically mentioned this video and we bonded over that. It was a hilarious and deeply surreal experience.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Před 3 lety +180

      Yep. That's an instant friendship right there.

    • @ef1876
      @ef1876 Před 3 lety +46

      That’s awesome!!

    • @RozWBrazel
      @RozWBrazel Před 3 lety +81

      that's real life engagement

    • @Matter-Dark
      @Matter-Dark Před 3 lety +71

      Sounds like the start of a beautiful friendship.

    • @cristiancaliata2579
      @cristiancaliata2579 Před 3 lety +43

      Auhhh Knotting, making friends since the dawn of time

  • @pianoaddict772
    @pianoaddict772 Před 3 lety +589

    CZcams not honoring a DMCA claim on the grounds of utter bullshit is actually quite lucky. Consider buying a lotto ticket.

    • @techmage89
      @techmage89 Před 3 lety +50

      I think we've finally discovered CZcams's bullshit threshold.

    • @SherlockSage
      @SherlockSage Před 3 lety +65

      If any of y'all had "CZcams finally finds the rock bottom of bullshit DMCA claims and grows a small but significant backbone" on your 2020 bingo cards, I salute you o7

    • @Rozdlc
      @Rozdlc Před 3 lety +9

      I was very surprised that they didn't. Like surely other people had made more flimsy and dumb claims. And then Lindsey showed the letter and... wow just wow.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Před 3 lety +12

      @@Rozdlc there’s probably a threshold of view counts under which nobody looks critically at takedowns at all. Once you’re a gold-play-button creator, you get perks.

    • @confusedwhale
      @confusedwhale Před 3 lety +14

      @@JasperJanssen:
      Lindsay's milkshake brings all the views to the platform,
      And they're like, is better than Cain's
      Damn right, it's better than Cain's

  • @StealthJones271
    @StealthJones271 Před 2 lety +62

    All of Cain's gaslighting and victim complexes make her sound like an articulate Donald Trump.

  • @ciarancooper394
    @ciarancooper394 Před 2 lety +123

    I sometimes wonder why people quit CZcams. And then I watch this video and Lindsay and Natalie's canceling videos. And I remember that I can't handle the level of criticism inherent to a normal office job. I would've quit too. Mazeltov, Lindsay. I hope you're finding joy and I REALLY hope you never have to deal with this kind of thing again.

  • @vday16
    @vday16 Před 3 lety +12531

    All jokes aside its kinda scary how vindictive Addison Cain is. Like the levels she is willing to go through to destroy people's livelihoods. Had she targetted a much smaller youtuber, its possible she could have destroyed their career.

    • @destinyapostasy8230
      @destinyapostasy8230 Před 3 lety +743

      I was thinking the same thing. CZcams really needs a better system that doesn't enable these nutcases

    • @VegaNorth
      @VegaNorth Před 3 lety +523

      Agreed. Scary as hell. I don’t know for how much longer she’ll continue to do this if it’s costing her to go to court. I imagine she’s not only vindictive, but rich enough to keep doing it. :(

    • @alybrynjohnson2495
      @alybrynjohnson2495 Před 3 lety +50

      +

    • @lyss7528
      @lyss7528 Před 3 lety +542

      She definitely ruined a few writers careers, or their initial careers. She's successfully monopolized a whole sub-genre so she's branching out from there.

    • @LeahEWild
      @LeahEWild Před 3 lety +136

      Welp I guess this is what happened to like, all those ABO creators!

  • @PhoenixNoKiseki
    @PhoenixNoKiseki Před 3 lety +7470

    I feel like Addison Cain’s autobiography will be titled ‘To Whom It May Concern’.

    • @blockEdragon
      @blockEdragon Před 3 lety +153

      No doubt a spiritual sucessor to "A Pickle For The Knowing Ones" in terms of structure.

    • @blockEdragon
      @blockEdragon Před 3 lety +45

      @KvAT Indeed, most indeededly.
      If you're curious about the "author" a youtuber called Sam O' Nella has a funny video about Timothy Dexter.

    • @jkwinders
      @jkwinders Před 3 lety +49

      I will dispute and say that it will be titled, "WITH PREJUDICE!!!1!1!!"

    • @katx9697
      @katx9697 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't touch Ao3 😡😡😠😤

    • @julien4305
      @julien4305 Před 2 lety +11

      That lowkey sounds like a good title for an autobiography

  • @luciakaminski779
    @luciakaminski779 Před rokem +41

    I just realized that when Lindsay is calling Angelina, she puts her phone as if she's hearing with her wolf ears, and that's perfect! 😆

    • @Jenninka
      @Jenninka Před 10 měsíci +3

      I’ve watched this countless times and *just* now caught that

  • @lvfrazier5929
    @lvfrazier5929 Před rokem +37

    an unforeseen consequence of watching this video is getting nickleback's "photograph" stuck in my head for hours

    • @StrangePhoton
      @StrangePhoton Před rokem +2

      Oh damn... thoughts and prayers. :(
      For that alone, this video should have a trigger warning.

  • @jupiterj1065
    @jupiterj1065 Před 3 lety +3033

    CACKLING AT CZcams’S “WE WILL *NOT* REMOVE” LMFAO SOMEONE IN CZcams IS ALSO PISSED AT HER

    • @NWolfsson
      @NWolfsson Před 3 lety +204

      I legit had the "Wait, it exists?" reaction :'')

    • @IATEALLTHECHEESE
      @IATEALLTHECHEESE Před 3 lety +6

      IABAIWBSJ

    • @SakuraNyan
      @SakuraNyan Před 2 lety +197

      I think it's more "We checked with legal and they collectively laughed their asses off."

    • @Alice-si8uz
      @Alice-si8uz Před 2 lety +50

      @@SakuraNyan Pretty sure it just means that CZcams knows they would win if they did end up going to court... It may not even get picked up by the court even.

    • @politicalnerdV
      @politicalnerdV Před 2 lety +16

      To paraphrase Malcolm Reynolds: "Well who in the damn galaxy isn't?!"

  • @ravenclawesome9093
    @ravenclawesome9093 Před 3 lety +311

    To quote Sam O'Nella Academy:
    "But it turns out that 'Im Mad Butthurt' isn't a valid reason for prosecution, so that went nowhere"

    • @kevinz8554
      @kevinz8554 Před 3 lety +5

      +

    • @YokiDokiPanic
      @YokiDokiPanic Před 3 lety +5

      I remember the quote, but I forgot what video it was from! Can you tell me which one it was again? Thanks!

    • @lousielouise8716
      @lousielouise8716 Před 3 lety +2

      +

    • @adrenalinevan
      @adrenalinevan Před 3 lety +2

      @@YokiDokiPanic The life of Charles J Guiteau (HE KILLED GARFIELD)

  • @jainadelaney
    @jainadelaney Před rokem +50

    I also think it's really funny that Addison Caine thinks fair use means using her work in a way she think is morally fair to her, like fair treatment, like when you bring your girlfriend something back from McDonald's if you get something for yourself 🤣🤣

    • @Slann88
      @Slann88 Před rokem +5

      The Romain brothers of Digital Homicide thought the same thing. These types of people are equally unintelligent it seems!

    • @noesunyoutuber7680
      @noesunyoutuber7680 Před rokem

      ​​@@Slann88 The Offices of Cain and Romine, dealing in only the finest in horseshit legal cases on the internet.

  • @Towlapeiwa
    @Towlapeiwa Před rokem +185

    I miss Lindsay Ellis a CZcams/Patreon personality with public sway
    hope she’s having a good day

    • @Minilena
      @Minilena Před rokem +29

      She was busy having a baby :) She's back with a video over on Nebula, and has guested on the musicalsplaining podcast recently!

    • @tungstensmum1491
      @tungstensmum1491 Před rokem +28

      @@Minilena *damn baby

    • @georgenoodles1387
      @georgenoodles1387 Před rokem +22

      this is a certified damn baby moment

    • @user-ok5mz5qv4s
      @user-ok5mz5qv4s Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@tungstensmum1491full circle

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@@Minilena omg she did?? Hope they're doing good!! One of these days when I have the money I can't wait to join Nebula and see what she's been up to when she's had time

  • @mandymagnolia1966
    @mandymagnolia1966 Před 3 lety +7742

    “Ms. Cain is a well known author” never heard of her til I saw Lindsay’s video 🤣

    • @helpme2719
      @helpme2719 Před 3 lety +335

      Obviously you don't read enough wolf erotica 🙄

    • @witchflowers6942
      @witchflowers6942 Před 3 lety +279

      Well known (in a highly specific and niche community)

    • @annep6076
      @annep6076 Před 3 lety +64

      @@helpme2719 Yeah.... But I have to say I will not read her books. Only her though. Thanks but no thanks, honey.....

    • @mrbeast85
      @mrbeast85 Před 3 lety +93

      Well known... but not for the actual quality of her work...

    • @joiadevita
      @joiadevita Před 3 lety +208

      I love that she's probably more famous for abusing copyright law than she is for her books.

  • @HurricaneDDragon
    @HurricaneDDragon Před 3 lety +391

    So if Lindsay Ellis is a menace and she often makes Phantom of the Opera content... does that make her a “Phantom Menace”?

  • @novastation6945
    @novastation6945 Před rokem +112

    God I love the Omega Verse videos. You will always be missed, Lindsey.

    • @oliviatilleman8055
      @oliviatilleman8055 Před rokem +1

      wait what???? what happened?

    • @mitchelljakubka
      @mitchelljakubka Před rokem +14

      @@oliviatilleman8055 she was bullied off of CZcams and most social media a few months ago. She released a video stating why she’s leaving.

    • @aud7593
      @aud7593 Před rokem +5

      @@oliviatilleman8055 it does kinda sound like she died, doesn't it (she's very much alive, afaik!)

    • @owenchafer1083
      @owenchafer1083 Před rokem +11

      @@oliviatilleman8055 She was murdered by Addison Cain.

  • @jainadelaney
    @jainadelaney Před rokem +14

    Shortly after liking this video, Addison Caine called my phone asking about my car's extended warranty

  • @sandythemaster6898
    @sandythemaster6898 Před 3 lety +2383

    Addison Cain: I have been victim of a hate crime.
    Lindsay Ellis, lawyers, everyone else: That's not what a hate crime is.
    Addison Cain: WELL I HATED IT.

    • @SummitSummit
      @SummitSummit Před 3 lety +45

      Has Addison Cain's lawyer come after you yet?

    • @0Clewi0
      @0Clewi0 Před 3 lety +10

      Damn, I have the voice stuck now

    • @kobochaos
      @kobochaos Před 3 lety +19

      @@SummitSummit once AC's legal team figures out OPs gender

    • @julianakarasawa315
      @julianakarasawa315 Před 3 lety +2

      I'm dying with the comment 😂😂😂

    • @claireeebee
      @claireeebee Před 3 lety

      Hahahaha!

  • @alexs0s
    @alexs0s Před 3 lety +384

    BREAKING: everyone who engages with this video suddenly receives an email in their inbox from Raddison Bain, reputable attorney, beginning with the TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

  • @buddytheoc
    @buddytheoc Před rokem +28

    I think "You hurt my feelings, ipso facto copyright infringement" would be the ideal title for a documentation about this whole mess.

  • @micahfoley9572
    @micahfoley9572 Před rokem +56

    Damn baby? Damn, baby.
    I knew this girl who had a mild case of Narcissistic Personality disorder that would get really bad when she did coke. This lady reminds me of my friend on coke. The way everything revolves around her, and everything is an attack, and the whole "gasp, how dare you!" vibe. It's uncanny, really.

    • @PH0B0PH1L1A
      @PH0B0PH1L1A Před rokem +12

      "a narcissist on crack" is honestly the best description for cain i can think of lmao, aptly put

    • @micahfoley9572
      @micahfoley9572 Před rokem +1

      @@PH0B0PH1L1A lol

    • @olliesworld3277
      @olliesworld3277 Před rokem +2

      @@PH0B0PH1L1A personally think atp any crackhead is better than Cain.

  • @jdcrosier2682
    @jdcrosier2682 Před 3 lety +1390

    I'm surprised she didn't sue LegalEagle. Oh wait, she only sues women.

    • @tinymxnticore
      @tinymxnticore Před 3 lety +10

      🤭😬

    • @chronicletenko
      @chronicletenko Před 3 lety +63

      I feel like. That one would go poorly.

    • @arachnodactyly
      @arachnodactyly Před 3 lety +85

      I would give *every cent I have* I see that legal battle play out irl. And then make myself some popcorn.

    • @ElysionGear
      @ElysionGear Před 3 lety +15

      Never gonna happen, he's a man and a woman with a personality like her probably thinks that men are too easy to manipulate.

    • @Nadia1989
      @Nadia1989 Před 3 lety +25

      I'd love to say Devin would swipe the floor with her lawsuit, but he's way too professional for that. A real law review would be far better.

  • @artemiswolf4508
    @artemiswolf4508 Před 3 lety +395

    “Honey didn’t you pick up our child from kindergarten?”
    “I don’t have time for the damn baby, Im on the processes of suing someone for making fun of my wolf porn”
    “Didn’t you do that last month”
    “No last month I was suing someone for copying my wolf porn, KEEP UP HAROLD!”

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 Před 3 lety +17

      Yeah, the fact that she's raising a child kind of scares me.

    • @moeguibyk
      @moeguibyk Před 3 lety +1

      Damn baby

    • @randomjunkohyeah1
      @randomjunkohyeah1 Před 3 lety +12

      Katherine Alvarez
      Yeah uhh, I’m not usually one to make this kind of statement, but all we’ve seen of her behavior reeks of pathological narcissism.
      And considering there’s an entire (unfortunately unpopular) subreddit for children of “narcissist parents” to share their stories and comfort one another, I hope that child lucks out of that bad situation one way or another.

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 Před 3 lety +1

      😝

    • @SmellsLikeEMinor
      @SmellsLikeEMinor Před 3 lety +2

      Hi. Just leaving comments. Have a great day if you're reading this.

  • @M.M.Y.B
    @M.M.Y.B Před 2 lety +87

    I love Jenny Nicholson being the best high horse author impression of a white woman I have ever heard. And also, I will be watching every ad all the way through, so I hope you monetize the shit out of this.

  • @krea8402
    @krea8402 Před 8 měsíci +12

    35:25 BOY has this statement aged like a fine wine with whole "CZcams not even protecting one of their biggest creators after being threatened and doxxed by another big creator" thing going on right now. I mean, it's always happened, but at this point I think we need to get together and push for new laws to protect users from this abuse. We should have years ago, but better late than never.

  • @firelifeblizzard8782
    @firelifeblizzard8782 Před 3 lety +593

    So this means that Addison Cain has heard Jenny's impression of her

  • @LilDeuceDeuce
    @LilDeuceDeuce Před 3 lety +21433

    Jenny Nicholson deserves some sort of award for her role as Addison Cain

    • @nitehawk86
      @nitehawk86 Před 3 lety +1211

      The really outdid herself when reprising the role.

    • @cathrinegamst3184
      @cathrinegamst3184 Před 3 lety +934

      Queen of wolves and ponies.

    • @alybrynjohnson2495
      @alybrynjohnson2495 Před 3 lety +33

      +

    • @Paulxl
      @Paulxl Před 3 lety +180

      She is a perfect match.

    • @dragondahl3828
      @dragondahl3828 Před 3 lety +692

      The fact that she and Lindsey are friends makes her calling Lindsey "a menace" so much funnier.

  • @dmikewilcox
    @dmikewilcox Před 2 lety +9

    OMG I am 52. High school was 34 years ago. This was painful to watch. Same shit from ninth grade. I ended up speeding the video x1.75 just to get through it.

  • @geordishafer8361
    @geordishafer8361 Před rokem +25

    I just KNOW Jenny dropped everything to voice Cain again. She probably wanted to be in on the drama and i live

  • @bernicekok6100
    @bernicekok6100 Před 3 lety +616

    The biggest flex ever as a CZcamsr: CZcams actually supporting Lindsay’s content in a request for a DMCA takedown 😂

    • @Stonehawk
      @Stonehawk Před 3 lety +49

      *_""WiTh pReJuDiCe!!!1!!11!111""_*

    • @alondratorales7200
      @alondratorales7200 Před 3 lety +11

      Engagement
      Engagement
      Engagement
      Engagement

    • @poilaaliop
      @poilaaliop Před 3 lety +1

      💪💪💪

    • @caitlinbrewer4843
      @caitlinbrewer4843 Před 3 lety +32

      It's weird to think CZcams is on the side of good for once. It's like Superman and Lex Luthor teaming up to take down Darkseid.

    • @jairoliradeamorimjr3262
      @jairoliradeamorimjr3262 Před 3 lety +7

      @@caitlinbrewer4843 2020 is not joking at surprising me

  • @snakesnoteyes
    @snakesnoteyes Před 3 lety +588

    As other commentors have said, CZcams actually investigating and coming to a reasonable conclusion is the most shocking part of this whole thing 😭

    • @charischannah
      @charischannah Před 3 lety +6

      It really is.

    • @Zalgardis
      @Zalgardis Před 3 lety +28

      This is only the second time I'd heard of CZcams doing this. First time was for Jim Stirling, and it's because the guy filing DMCA's against him filed a bunch but never did anything after the counterclaim.

    • @Daye04
      @Daye04 Před 3 lety +1

      I'm not surprised. I've heard of several instances of this. It's still not enough, though

    • @KillahMate
      @KillahMate Před 3 lety +9

      @@Zalgardis In relation to Jim (but presumably it's the same thing here), apparently last year or so CZcams was more or less forced by the terrible publicity of bad faith DMCAs to put together a task force to handle them. It's a tiny department and it works on a case by case basis so they'd only get involved if it was a very popular content creator getting large amounts of frivolous takedown notices, like what happened with Jim. Or now with Lindsay, for that matter. If Cain had tried this two years ago, Lindsay's video would have probably been unceremoniously booted off the platform.

    • @mirrormimi
      @mirrormimi Před 3 lety +11

      It's the previous arc's villain becoming an ally to defeat the next arc's villain

  • @claire-fox
    @claire-fox Před 9 měsíci +17

    Revisiting this classic… Truthfully, Jenny should have been given some kind of an award for her voiceover work in these two videos.

  • @actualization96817
    @actualization96817 Před 6 měsíci +38

    I want to nominate the person who voices Addison Cain for an award. Great work.

    • @theliteraryabyss
      @theliteraryabyss Před 6 měsíci +17

      I believe it was Jenny Nicholson. She is a pretty good voice actor.

  • @elevenone
    @elevenone Před 3 lety +485

    Meter attendant: "Excuse me miss, this is a no parking zone. I'm afraid you'll have to move your car"
    Allison Cain: **"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN..."**

  • @pappajudas9267
    @pappajudas9267 Před 3 lety +844

    I had no idea Werewolf erotica was such a cut throat literary genre.

    • @FlameGarnet
      @FlameGarnet Před 3 lety +31

      ikr indie erotica authors can live or die by their networking oof

    • @KatOtterPaints
      @KatOtterPaints Před 3 lety +44

      Its a dog eat out dog world out there

    • @quintoblanco8746
      @quintoblanco8746 Před 3 lety +25

      As somebody who has never read werewolf erotica and has no interest in it, I was still hoping that the leading author in this presumably niche genre was not insane. I just wanted to root for somebody that specific.

    • @pappajudas9267
      @pappajudas9267 Před 3 lety +9

      I don't even know what had me click on the video. I was vaguely aware of Werewolf Erotica as a genre I assumed it was a close offshoot of Vampire Erotica but was unaware that I'd clicked on a video about the legal drama behind the genre.

    • @quintoblanco8746
      @quintoblanco8746 Před 3 lety +5

      @@pappajudas9267 I've got to be honest here, despite my interest in copyright law and contrary previous claims I made, I saw a thumbnail with an attractive woman wearing a wolf costume and I was hoping for some werewolf erotica.

  • @blackfang0815
    @blackfang0815 Před 2 lety +42

    Me five minutes in: "Wow, better be careful here or she might DMCA claim you."
    Two minutes later: "Ah, I see you can't teach an old dog lover new tricks."

  • @scottbuck1572
    @scottbuck1572 Před 2 měsíci +8

    It may be 4 years later, Lindsay may not post on this platform, but when the alpha says you drive engagement YOU DRIVE ENGAGEMENT

  • @ajallen128
    @ajallen128 Před 3 lety +475

    "Lindsay Ellis is a menace, A THREAT TO MY CHILD," NEEDS to be a review quote on the next book.

    • @ghtwo5818
      @ghtwo5818 Před 3 lety +6

      She should write a horror novel and use it as a quote on that one XD

    • @magicalemaz
      @magicalemaz Před 3 lety +6

      Omg that needs to go on the back cover

    • @kronemerj
      @kronemerj Před 3 lety +5

      I agree

    • @greenarcangel
      @greenarcangel Před 3 lety

      I want a t shirt with that

  • @Emptylord
    @Emptylord Před 3 lety +1791

    Imagine stating that the person you're accusing of copyright infringement "significantly transformed" the original work.

    • @PSadvance
      @PSadvance Před 3 lety +145

      Thats probably why youtube decided not to act on it too, lol.

    • @MaxOakland
      @MaxOakland Před 3 lety +32

      @@PSadvance you have to love a self own

    • @GippyHappy
      @GippyHappy Před 3 lety +7

      I had a good laugh at that too. like "Not only did you steal my work but you censored the naughty words! That's just crossing a line!"

  • @dickbandanaken
    @dickbandanaken Před rokem +10

    also her "lawyer" uses the phrase "suspicous in the least" which is a freudian slip. what she thought she wanted to say was "suspicious at least", but what poked through was an echo of "not suspicious in the least"

  • @fantasticwhovian3061
    @fantasticwhovian3061 Před 2 lety +6

    The fact that I got an ad that opens with "Lemons, lemons, lemons!" on a video about wolf erotica is just so hilarious to me!

  • @JesseColton
    @JesseColton Před 3 lety +364

    Addison: "This video does NOT fall under fair use because it is not transformative!"
    Addison 5 seconds later: "This video SIGNIFICANTLY transformed my work!"

  • @jacob5169
    @jacob5169 Před 3 lety +383

    "Regrettably, we both are public figures."
    You've heard it here first, folks! You can write fanfiction *about* Addison Cain, consequence free!

    • @ahhh4117
      @ahhh4117 Před 3 lety +43

      No no no, u have to cover ur ass my guy, ofc nothing stopping u from making "Caddison Ain" characters but u didn't hear it from me

    • @muddi900
      @muddi900 Před 3 lety +19

      You joke, but there would be Addison Cain and Lindsay Ellis yuri on paheal soon.
      There is nothing we can do about it.

    • @TetsuDeinonychus
      @TetsuDeinonychus Před 3 lety +30

      @@muddi900 As long as Lindsay's the "Alpha", I think we can live with that...

    • @trishahernz7809
      @trishahernz7809 Před 3 lety +10

      Not her name. Say your oc is inspired by her. But it’s definitely her.

    • @kupotenshi
      @kupotenshi Před 3 lety +16

      enemies to lovers slow burn

  • @bessdavies6440
    @bessdavies6440 Před 2 lety +23

    All these shenanigans started because....... Addison Cain think she owns the copyrights to heterosexuality .....
    LMFAO

  • @firebladetenn6633
    @firebladetenn6633 Před 2 lety +42

    I am still watching these two videos for entertainment. Certainly my favorite media reviewer of all time, and I absolutely will always miss you, Lindsay.