Yup. Without the tow he wouldn't have accelerated to that point as fast by the starting line when the speed difference is much larger. With the worse exit in q3 he would not have accelerated as fast without it before reaching the start line. That's where the major difference is. He would have been 0.01s behind q2 if it wasn't for the tow.
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Thank you for clarifying and explaining this. Saw one channel totally skewing the numbers and saying the tow was the only reason he got pole. A 22.5 second gap later in the race and this analysis show otherwise.. 😂
you mentioned that the tow would be a lot more helpful if the finish line was closer to the last corner, but if that was the case pastry would've stopped earlier so it would not have mattered much I reckon.
What could also be taken in account is the ERS deployment comparison between the two - he could've benefit of some extra ERS during the pole lap using less of it right at the start, due to being toed and reaching top speed earlier - but we're speaking MAYBE 1-2%. Other than that, great analysis.
Also remember that the wind picked up quite a bit during Q3, which means the tow would have a reduced effect than in ideal conditions. Its close to call, but even without the tow I still think Verstappen would have been on pole.
If you count it in terms of acceleration it’s much more when it comes to velocity! You accelerate quicker with a harder push than a small push therefore you’ll reach a higher velocity and
thanks, appreciate the interesting content. One question I don't quite follow the "Power Limited" comment. In principle if the drag is reduced enough by the tow then the cars would only have have rev limited top speed based on gearing. For illustration the world speed record for a push bike (1 human power) on level road is 296 km/h or 183.93 mph (crazy but true, and also paced in aero shroud ) . With enough of a tow even just the F1 ICE engine would be capable of huge speed with the right tow.
No I was referring to the relationship between earlier acceleration and top speed, because some would think that since 2nd lap he had a tow in early acceleration (pre-310km/h) it should've had a higher top speed. As you can see, 2nd lap kinda stuck at 322-321km/h. It just reached that speed earlier than 1st lap.
without the tow the first sector would have been 0.08 seconds slower this is a question of "how much did it help" not "did this mean the difference and nothing else mattered?"
Wasn't Max's pole lap S3 slower than his bank lap? Anyway, nice to be able to see the difference between the tow and no tow. When I saw it I thought it might've been a little more help than that
0.08/0.228*100%=35.09%. That is quite a significant fraction IMHO. Also, IF I remember correctly Leclerc ALSO had tow? Anyways, thanks for the detailed compare!
Let me give u an example,u eat full(means full capacity of your stomach)and try running 100m and then the next day just take light food along with energy drinks and try running 100m and then see the time difference between those two runs u will understand
@@StanArctic yea the energy deployment is a big one.. cause they full charge and totally deplete the battery in one lap (in racemode they have it setup to have an even distribution every lap probably.. or something like that).. I dont know if this gives them full deployment on every straight for example or even more. I think they say the hp from the electric is around 150hp.. if you can use that often that would do very nicely for a single laptime.
The car going in front tear/punch through the air so that the car behind has to deal with less drag which helps in lap times. It is also called slipstream.
Cool analysis, but the exit speed of the previous corner on lap 2 was already higher at the start/finish. Indicating the exit of that corner was better. Also, Max had to move to get back to the racing line, letting him nullifying his potential gain?
those miniscule corner exit difference has zero effect on 280+ kmh acceleration. here he clearly gains 0.08s with the help of tow. moving across the track cost some of that, but net gain was still positive, even accounting for more distance traveled by crossing the track
Leclerc would not have taken the pole, Max didn't gain nearly 3 tenths because of the tow. Without the used tyres he would have, but that's a different story
@@Triggernlfrl actually aerodynamically the car in front IMPROVES when giving a tow (i.e. Piastri's drag is also reduced) over being a completely standalone moving object. (caveat the information I have is from earlier gen F1 cars, but principles involved should hold true in ground effect cars)
The start-finish line being closer to the last turn wouldn't make a difference in terms of time gained. The amount of time Max gained in terms of distance (= 4 frames worth) would stay the same by turn 1. That isn't dependent on the start-finish line, only on the overall tow regardless. He would be the same distance ahead of his earlier comparable lap.
i wonder how much he's losing last corner exit being behind piastri like that and having had to go off line right before you start your lap also not great i imagine.
Unfortunately like 2023 the only entertaining part of the weekends will be qualifying( I think Ferrari could get even more poles than last year) but the races...😴😴😴😴😴😴
The telemetry clearly shows that Max gained around 1.3 tenth with the draft. Your demonstration is wrong and you are starting to look more an more like a fanboy. It is true that it would not have been enough for Leclerc to gain the pole. That said, Leclerc did post the fastest lap of the session, and went into Q3 with used set of softs. I am a bit tired of your fanboyism, so I am going to take a break from your videos.
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His demonstration is wrong.
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Max had a worse exit out of the final turn on his second lap, and the tow only started to help him past the DRS line.
Yup. Without the tow he wouldn't have accelerated to that point as fast by the starting line when the speed difference is much larger.
With the worse exit in q3 he would not have accelerated as fast without it before reaching the start line. That's where the major difference is. He would have been 0.01s behind q2 if it wasn't for the tow.
@@RadialSeeker113The worse exit was due to the dirty air from the car in front, which was offset by the tow. This is how F1 works
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Thank you for clarifying and explaining this. Saw one channel totally skewing the numbers and saying the tow was the only reason he got pole. A 22.5 second gap later in the race and this analysis show otherwise.. 😂
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you mentioned that the tow would be a lot more helpful if the finish line was closer to the last corner, but if that was the case pastry would've stopped earlier so it would not have mattered much I reckon.
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Verstappen was very fast from T1 to T3. Especially his braking into T1 and exiting afterwards was excellent.
Great content! Probably, if the start/finish line was closer to the start of the straight, Piastri would have decelerated sooner as well.
good stuff mate.
Thank you for these videos, always interesting! Have you made one on Perez giving tow to Verstappen during the AD21 qualies ?
His 2nd quali Q3 lap in AD21 (which he aborted, because P1 was safe) was even faster, without a tow. 👍👍
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Nice
Max even moved towards the slowing Piastri before passing him in an attempt to maximize the tow
He knew what he was doing 0:38
What could also be taken in account is the ERS deployment comparison between the two - he could've benefit of some extra ERS during the pole lap using less of it right at the start, due to being toed and reaching top speed earlier - but we're speaking MAYBE 1-2%. Other than that, great analysis.
1:25 wtf ? The sound is jumping through my head
It was 0.07s actually, based on telemetry analyses(f1-tempo), but ok, not a big of a deal.
Also remember that the wind picked up quite a bit during Q3, which means the tow would have a reduced effect than in ideal conditions. Its close to call, but even without the tow I still think Verstappen would have been on pole.
If you count it in terms of acceleration it’s much more when it comes to velocity! You accelerate quicker with a harder push than a small push therefore you’ll reach a higher velocity and
I think it was 1 frame less than you suggested, so it was even less than 0.08sec.
thanks, appreciate the interesting content. One question I don't quite follow the "Power Limited" comment. In principle if the drag is reduced enough by the tow then the cars would only have have rev limited top speed based on gearing. For illustration the world speed record for a push bike (1 human power) on level road is 296 km/h or 183.93 mph (crazy but true, and also paced in aero shroud ) . With enough of a tow even just the F1 ICE engine would be capable of huge speed with the right tow.
No I was referring to the relationship between earlier acceleration and top speed, because some would think that since 2nd lap he had a tow in early acceleration (pre-310km/h) it should've had a higher top speed.
As you can see, 2nd lap kinda stuck at 322-321km/h. It just reached that speed earlier than 1st lap.
Nice video as always. Would have been cool to see a comparison between Max pole lap and Charles Q2 lap.
Nel Q2 la pista era diversa , cosa vuoi paragonare !!!
@@elenacasagrande6844 in base a cosa?
@@xicu3705 al Q3
He got a second small tow during the q3 lap, don't remember when though
Could you compare 2021 Saudi GP pole lap from Lewis or the legendary Q3 lap from Max with his pole time in 2024 set yesterday?
First sector was literally slower in his pole lap so no it wasn’t the tow, it was probably a corner
without the tow the first sector would have been 0.08 seconds slower
this is a question of "how much did it help" not "did this mean the difference and nothing else mattered?"
Could you compare leclerc Q2 lap with max pole??
As I expected, he will not gain more than 1 tenth!
Compare the w14 vs w15 let's just see if their is an improvement
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Wasn't Max's pole lap S3 slower than his bank lap? Anyway, nice to be able to see the difference between the tow and no tow. When I saw it I thought it might've been a little more help than that
Everyone had a worse sector 3 in their 2nd runs
this was actually so fucking informative
thanks mate
Comparison with Leclerc Q2 lap?
Leclerc was faster…that’s it 😂
0.08/0.228*100%=35.09%. That is quite a significant fraction IMHO. Also, IF I remember correctly Leclerc ALSO had tow?
Anyways, thanks for the detailed compare!
Max haters : b-b-but the tow! F1TV cameras must be wrong!
Max tow probably helped him, the same as charles' tow helped him
Still don't understand how cars lose so much in race vs quali
They are heavier, cant use always use drs and cant use energy and tyres as much because they needs to last the distance
Pretty sure most of it is energy deployment and fuel weight. Weight can make a big difference in laptime
Let me give u an example,u eat full(means full capacity of your stomach)and try running 100m and then the next day just take light food along with energy drinks and try running 100m and then see the time difference between those two runs u will understand
@@StanArctic yea the energy deployment is a big one.. cause they full charge and totally deplete the battery in one lap (in racemode they have it setup to have an even distribution every lap probably.. or something like that).. I dont know if this gives them full deployment on every straight for example or even more. I think they say the hp from the electric is around 150hp.. if you can use that often that would do very nicely for a single laptime.
@@betelgeuse227 ... and save tyres.......... 👍👍
You should be working as analyst for a F1 team, if you aren't yet.
someone tell me what is tow
The car going in front tear/punch through the air so that the car behind has to deal with less drag which helps in lap times. It is also called slipstream.
@@thekingslayer5575 ooo i knew what is slipstream but i thought tow and slipstream were different things
helped him against who? Because 2nd place leclerc also had a tow..
Verstappen lifted the throttle much quicker in the second attempt tho
Cool analysis, but the exit speed of the previous corner on lap 2 was already higher at the start/finish. Indicating the exit of that corner was better. Also, Max had to move to get back to the racing line, letting him nullifying his potential gain?
those miniscule corner exit difference has zero effect on 280+ kmh acceleration. here he clearly gains 0.08s with the help of tow. moving across the track cost some of that, but net gain was still positive, even accounting for more distance traveled by crossing the track
Way too good of a video, F1 should hire you to do their job because you're better at it, imagine if you had their resources?
Leclerc would not have taken the pole, Max didn't gain nearly 3 tenths because of the tow. Without the used tyres he would have, but that's a different story
2nd run LEC was on a new set. First run was on used.
Can someone tell me why did piastri give verstappen a tow even though they’re not teammates?
because he cannot disappear
he just finished his own fast lap and was simply in front of verstappen to make use of it
Wonder how much time Piastri did lose with the tow.
@@Triggernlfrl actually aerodynamically the car in front IMPROVES when giving a tow (i.e. Piastri's drag is also reduced) over being a completely standalone moving object. (caveat the information I have is from earlier gen F1 cars, but principles involved should hold true in ground effect cars)
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I feel like the tow doesn’t make much difference..
Unless you’re hella close..
But everyone’s gotta have an opinion!
in the video you see it makes 0.08s difference in this case.
The start-finish line being closer to the last turn wouldn't make a difference in terms of time gained. The amount of time Max gained in terms of distance (= 4 frames worth) would stay the same by turn 1. That isn't dependent on the start-finish line, only on the overall tow regardless. He would be the same distance ahead of his earlier comparable lap.
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It’s not a small fraction though, it makes up over a third of his lap time gain over leclerc
yeah but he's saying verstappen would have still taken pole without the tow
@@thomasbaker444 yeah true
i wonder how much he's losing last corner exit being behind piastri like that and having had to go off line right before you start your lap also not great i imagine.
See you in 2025 lads
And he was still slower than lectercs Q2 time. Ferrari should have had Pole. Would have at least made the first 2 laps entertaining.....
the track condition was very different
Wind and track changed. No driver improved on the third sector for example.
Unfortunately like 2023 the only entertaining part of the weekends will be qualifying( I think Ferrari could get even more poles than last year) but the races...😴😴😴😴😴😴
The margin verstappen won the race by makes this pointless really.
Max is allways lucky .... the guy doesnt know how to drive.... tows, crashes, Poles... wins.....all luck
The telemetry clearly shows that Max gained around 1.3 tenth with the draft. Your demonstration is wrong and you are starting to look more an more like a fanboy. It is true that it would not have been enough for Leclerc to gain the pole. That said, Leclerc did post the fastest lap of the session, and went into Q3 with used set of softs. I am a bit tired of your fanboyism, so I am going to take a break from your videos.
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