Hey dude, couldn't let that go unnoticed, but that was just one video I watched out of curiosity and man, your charisma - I don't subscribe vey deliberately - I had to subscribe to your channel solely based on the way you talk, it's so down to earth, dynamic and honest, some people just have that flaire, and you definitely do! Keep it up man, Just wanted to get that out there! :)
I have been watching your videos for a little while now and I'm very impressed with the way you simplify things for us. If I could make a request it would be video on compression. I know it's not a simple thing to teach but maybe you could help us rap our heads around it. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I like the way you presents . The most demos are with a monotone voice with all hapiness kicked-out , but your voice is fris with humor and good speed.
Great video like always :) Could you please talk about monitor stands (like the ones you have) and how much you have to spend on them to get decent ones so that they don't slide down under the weight of the monitors? Thanks :)
Does it only help if your speakers are actually shaking? I put my monitors on my desk, which is glass and they don't really cause any rumbling. I DO have trouble hearing bass though.
I took some ugly yellow foam I found in the attic, spray painted them black and used that. Sound quality is so much better now, I can't even begin to describe!
How much of the improvement was the isolation and how much was due to the elevation? You get a totally different treble/mid signature when you lift the tweeter a bit - especially near-field like small studio monitors.
absolute cheapest option if your monitors were boxed with styrofoam protective inserts, you can put them in that, not sure if it's the best material for the purpose but it will at least give some separation.
Thats what I'm using. I wonder how much of these isolation pads differ from them cuz all they do is elevate your speakers. Might just paint those foams matte black lol.
Which is better: 1. Foam with speakers on the desk 2. Stands with the speakers off the desk 3. Short stands on the desk with speakers 4. Stands with speakers off the desk with foam in-between stand and speaker. ????
How about if you are mixing with a speaker with alot of bass like subwofer, will this still work fine. Please am low on cash so i wouldn't get a decent monitors, i have some two pairs of active subwofer speaker with alot of bass, please is there anything i can do to bring down the bass, Because its always overshadowing the vocals making it crisp, i will really appreciate if you share you opinion on this
Just bought a pair of pads like these for 18 euros for my bookshelf/desk speakers. After spending almost 100 euros for diy experiments it doesn't seem much. Speakers don't sound any better, but sure they look cool, and costed less.
I know this is going to sound stupid, but can I use towels under my Monitors? I just got a pair of M Audio BX8 D2's today and they sound amazing. But since they have no feet and didn't come with a pad, I put them directly on my desk. No my room is not "properly treated", but I could hear them vibrate against the desk when I would play music with heavy bass. So should I just keep using towels under my speakers until i get some pads? or should I use some of those stick on feet things? (the ones with adhesive on the back and you can use them for feet for stuff. ) Do I even need pads?
+Cesar Moreno to know if you need pads, ask a friend to come for a blind test with and without foam pads and you'll be fixed, free bubble wrap should work even better than towels
Thats like asking "is it more comfortable to put a mattress on top of my matress?" Probably doesn't make much of a difference, bro. Monitor stands do their job I'd expect Lmao 😂😂
You can't just use any foam, it has to be thick dense open cell foam that absorbs the frequencys and vibrations emitting from the speaker. You can get good quality acoustic open cell foam for reasonable prices online from reputable sources. There is lot's of company's selling closed cell foam which is a big no no to use under a speaker. As they bounce the sound back up muddying the sound plus cause vibrations.
While Joe is right that Isolation Pads are a good idea and better than nothing, the better (and more expensive) idea is to get monitor stands. I had isolation pads before when my monitors were on my desk but holy cow did they sound better if you put them on good heavy monitor stands.
Would this be helpful if I want my turntable and speakers on the same surface? I can’t seem to find a very good answer because everyone’s opinions seem so divided on that subject.
i have the primacoustic pads. i got them 3 weeks after my newest set of monitors (because the store sold the ones that were on hold for me...) so that gave me some time to get to know the monitors before i stuck pads under them. they sounded clearer after i put the pads there, but wasn't completely sold on it. then i took the pads away just to see what would happen. i was disgusted by what i heard. i guess its not the difference you hear innitially, but rather, the annoying things you dont.
A pillow under bookshelf speakers would have minimal sound absorption and do nothing for vibrations. The decoupling effect would be close to zero for the speakers. The guy in the video could of explained better how the acoustic foam actually works for you and the novices out there. I'm clued up and instantly noticed he didn't even mention it has to be dense open cell foam you use. Never to use closed cell foam as it will bounce the sound back up towards the speakers muddying the sound. And the thicker the dense open cell foam used the better as it gives better sound absorption.
Save yourself some money. lay down 4 layers of big bubble bubble pack. get a 1/4 or 3/8 inch steel plate cut to the size of the speaker base. double side tape the speaker to the plate set it on the bubble pack and listen to the HUGE DIFFERENCE. the plate reduces the driver moment of inertia to almost nothing at normal listening levels. Higher volume will require a thicker plate or one on the bottom and one on the top.
+newburyportvideo seems like a good idea, did you try a blind test with a friend (with/without isolation pads), this isolation theory does not make much sense otherwise every speaker manufacturers would add some isolation at the bottom of their speakers cabinets.
I'm sorry, but... BS! If you're in the field of audio, mixing etc... then maybe you should learn the basics first before telling people about BS products. I am 52 years old and I've been working in studios, TV broadcasting etc. etc... for over 30 years, and I unlike you know my audio. Guess what; Speaker cabinets are BUILT TO NOT VIBRATE, and any decoupler will DO NOTHING to the audio (well maybe because the speaker will be lifted up a bit), it is all placebo! Don't believe me? Put a glass of water on top of your speaker cabinet and pump up the volume, really loud. You won't see any vibrations if the speaker is normal/well built. Also, if you have such crappy monitors that will vibrate (they are then faulty), the vibrations would be drowned/masked by the super loud audio the woofers make. And so there you have TWO strong reasons to rethink what you believe. How stupid are people these days???
@@alp6181 It shouldn’t matter that much. Feel free to do a video with a glass of water and a db meter in the same shot. You would not answer if you knew I am right. I believe you’ve aleeady tested it. So comeon, teach your viewers the truth. You kind of have that responsibility. I don’t care about who’s wrong or right, only the truth matters.
I'm extremely skeptical of this as well. Mainly because don't just objects resonate regardless of contact? Since sound is just vibration in the air anyway. I'm probably still buying the cheap ones tho, mainly because I am cutting my table shorter, I need 'em to angle the speakers.
Okay, I did my own very crude experiment(on a set of cheap near-field desktop speakers), well I just lifted one speaker while it's playing. The rumbles underneath my table did go away. As for the sound, I can't tell, something is still muddy in mine. Might just be speaker placement(one speaker is close to a corner wall.) I guess that's enough for me to justify buying one as I find the rumbles annoying.
You want to hear the difference? Sorry that's hard to capture on video. You probably need to get a pair and hear for yourself. Or find someone who has them and visit their studio. Or just get them already because it really will make a difference. :)
This Helped me 9 years later, Thank you.🔥🔥🔥
Of all the things they might do, they definitely shouldn't rock
😂 good point
Hey dude, couldn't let that go unnoticed, but that was just one video I watched out of curiosity and man, your charisma - I don't subscribe vey deliberately - I had to subscribe to your channel solely based on the way you talk, it's so down to earth, dynamic and honest, some people just have that flaire, and you definitely do! Keep it up man, Just wanted to get that out there! :)
I have been watching your videos for a little while now and I'm very impressed with the way you simplify things for us. If I could make a request it would be video on compression. I know it's not a simple thing to teach but maybe you could help us rap our heads around it. Thanks and keep up the good work.
🔵....'Wrap'.
I like the way you presents . The most demos are with a monotone voice with all hapiness kicked-out , but your voice is fris with humor and good speed.
Haha. Thank you
Your welcome
Great video like always :) Could you please talk about monitor stands (like the ones you have) and how much you have to spend on them to get decent ones so that they don't slide down under the weight of the monitors? Thanks :)
Cool video,
Would you be able to answer this
Do you know if 2 separate pads are better than one large?
Kinda like mopad vs mopad xl
everything that if you hit lightly with a hammer it wont be loud
can that include 1/2 inch of napkins for the moment ?
Nice one! Just ordered some.
Thanks :)
Dude your setup is crazyy 🔥🔥🔥
:)
Does it only help if your speakers are actually shaking? I put my monitors on my desk, which is glass and they don't really cause any rumbling. I DO have trouble hearing bass though.
I still have a set of those exact Roland "crap speakers"! Lol, they were my first monitors as well.
We will forever be friends now.
I took some ugly yellow foam I found in the attic, spray painted them black and used that. Sound quality is so much better now, I can't even begin to describe!
Any reason not to put things on top of studio monitors? I don't have a lot of room on my desk and have table lamps on them.
I’m looking to reduce noise mainly bass noise in my apartment so I don’t annoy my neighbours, would these work a bit or not?
I was thinking the Same Thing , I need some proper Mo Pads.
is a pair of pads wide enough to support the rokit 6?
I will try it
How much of the improvement was the isolation and how much was due to the elevation? You get a totally different treble/mid signature when you lift the tweeter a bit - especially near-field like small studio monitors.
Thanks for the video but a demo of having the iso pads with and without would be a huge help
absolute cheapest option if your monitors were boxed with styrofoam protective inserts, you can put them in that, not sure if it's the best material for the purpose but it will at least give some separation.
yeah I done this. worked a treat
Thats what I'm using. I wonder how much of these isolation pads differ from them cuz all they do is elevate your speakers. Might just paint those foams matte black lol.
Which is better:
1. Foam with speakers on the desk
2. Stands with the speakers off the desk
3. Short stands on the desk with speakers
4. Stands with speakers off the desk with foam in-between stand and speaker.
????
How about if you are mixing with a speaker with alot of bass like subwofer, will this still work fine. Please am low on cash so i wouldn't get a decent monitors, i have some two pairs of active subwofer speaker with alot of bass, please is there anything i can do to bring down the bass,
Because its always overshadowing the vocals making it crisp, i will really appreciate if you share you opinion on this
I have Kirk rocket 5 and at this point they are all just a dresser so how much are this? God Bless
Ok, thank you
Just bought a pair of pads like these for 18 euros for my bookshelf/desk speakers. After spending almost 100 euros for diy experiments it doesn't seem much. Speakers don't sound any better, but sure they look cool, and costed less.
depends on the speakers, helps a lot with cheaper speakers.
Can you just make measurements of the frequency response with and without pads?
Yeah I suppose you could. But I could hear the difference, so I didn't feel a need to measure it.
What is a bass response boost?? You can hear more bass or hear it more clearly?
Hearing more bass (false bass)
I know this is going to sound stupid, but can I use towels under my Monitors? I just got a pair of M Audio BX8 D2's today and they sound amazing. But since they have no feet and didn't come with a pad, I put them directly on my desk. No my room is not "properly treated", but I could hear them vibrate against the desk when I would play music with heavy bass.
So should I just keep using towels under my speakers until i get some pads? or should I use some of those stick on feet things? (the ones with adhesive on the back and you can use them for feet for stuff. ) Do I even need pads?
+Cesar Moreno to know if you need pads, ask a friend to come for a blind test with and without foam pads and you'll be fixed, free bubble wrap should work even better than towels
I used the protective styrofoam mine were boxed in, waiting for some pads in mail order over xmas new year postal delays
are these useful for monitors that are already on monitor stands?
Thats like asking "is it more comfortable to put a mattress on top of my matress?" Probably doesn't make much of a difference, bro. Monitor stands do their job I'd expect Lmao 😂😂
yoga blocks! $13 for a pair. 9x6x4.
DUDE THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING LOL
It doesn't matter how it looks or whatever.. It matters what it does
off topic
you sound like a guy that will remain single
I'd rather not have everything around me look like crap, but that's me.
You must not be a fan of design then...
4 Cheap mouse mats, works great.
is having 2 pad layers would b better than one u think, my friend?
I don't think so.
i figured it also, you right, I think too much cabinet shake looses sound vibes, loosing sound energy in other words, thnks
Are not these just foam? Why would it cost more than $4?
you can get a pair on aliexpress for just 5 euro
You can't just use any foam, it has to be thick dense open cell foam that absorbs the frequencys and vibrations emitting from the speaker. You can get good quality acoustic open cell foam for reasonable prices online from reputable sources.
There is lot's of company's selling closed cell foam which is a big no no to use under a speaker. As they bounce the sound back up muddying the sound plus cause vibrations.
@@NycX360 But yoga blocks are closed cells EVA foam tho
Chinda Ajoku can you recommend me a good quality brand? Need one which will size KRK RP7
Ikr? Just use the protective foam that comes in the box.
A nice thick book will work just as well.
Is it worth purchasing these even if your speakers are on stands ?
Yes, besause it will prevent the sound from vibrating the speaker cabinet.
yep, me too. LOL
what are those 3 -way monitors behind ?
M-Audio EX66's. Discontinued I believe.
did you know he has a video about that? I reviewed it!
While Joe is right that Isolation Pads are a good idea and better than nothing, the better (and more expensive) idea is to get monitor stands.
I had isolation pads before when my monitors were on my desk but holy cow did they sound better if you put them on good heavy monitor stands.
David Analfurz You can put foam on the stands too you know
No the stands don't do half the difference the pads do. You should still add pads to stands if you want a decent result
Would this be helpful if I want my turntable and speakers on the same surface? I can’t seem to find a very good answer because everyone’s opinions seem so divided on that subject.
Not sure
that's exactly my story too LOL
you sold the crap out of those things
i have the primacoustic pads. i got them 3 weeks after my newest set of monitors (because the store sold the ones that were on hold for me...) so that gave me some time to get to know the monitors before i stuck pads under them. they sounded clearer after i put the pads there, but wasn't completely sold on it. then i took the pads away just to see what would happen. i was disgusted by what i heard.
i guess its not the difference you hear innitially, but rather, the annoying things you dont.
Poor Rolando
👍🏽
you can use small pillows or foam rather than buying this for 50 box
YEah you can use all sorts of stuff. But if you want it to look a bit nicer and more professional, you can upgrade to these.
Cheap pillows work just as well.
A pillow under bookshelf speakers would have minimal sound absorption and do nothing for vibrations. The decoupling effect would be close to zero for the speakers.
The guy in the video could of explained better how the acoustic foam actually works for you and the novices out there. I'm clued up and instantly noticed he didn't even mention it has to be dense open cell foam you use.
Never to use closed cell foam as it will bounce the sound back up towards the speakers muddying the sound. And the thicker the dense open cell foam used the better as it gives better sound absorption.
You should do a give away for your extra pads......Just an idea.......
Hahahaha Crap Speakers .... you're funny ....
:)
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Save yourself some money. lay down 4 layers of big bubble bubble pack. get a 1/4 or 3/8 inch steel plate cut to the size of the speaker base. double side tape the speaker to the plate set it on the bubble pack and listen to the HUGE DIFFERENCE. the plate reduces the driver moment of inertia to almost nothing at normal listening levels. Higher volume will require a thicker plate or one on the bottom and one on the top.
+newburyportvideo seems like a good idea, did you try a blind test with a friend (with/without isolation pads), this isolation theory does not make much sense otherwise every speaker manufacturers would add some isolation at the bottom of their speakers cabinets.
Bandgood has cheap ones
HOW TO SELL SHITTY PADS
I'm sorry, but... BS! If you're in the field of audio, mixing etc... then maybe you should learn the basics first before telling people about BS products. I am 52 years old and I've been working in studios, TV broadcasting etc. etc... for over 30 years, and I unlike you know my audio. Guess what; Speaker cabinets are BUILT TO NOT VIBRATE, and any decoupler will DO NOTHING to the audio (well maybe because the speaker will be lifted up a bit), it is all placebo! Don't believe me? Put a glass of water on top of your speaker cabinet and pump up the volume, really loud. You won't see any vibrations if the speaker is normal/well built. Also, if you have such crappy monitors that will vibrate (they are then faulty), the vibrations would be drowned/masked by the super loud audio the woofers make. And so there you have TWO strong reasons to rethink what you believe. How stupid are people these days???
And what if the speakers are crappy build? Like literally 80% of the home budget monitor speakers like krk rokits, adam audios, yamahas etc?
@@alp6181 It shouldn’t matter that much. Feel free to do a video with a glass of water and a db meter in the same shot. You would not answer if you knew I am right. I believe you’ve aleeady tested it. So comeon, teach your viewers the truth. You kind of have that responsibility. I don’t care about who’s wrong or right, only the truth matters.
I'm extremely skeptical of this as well. Mainly because don't just objects resonate regardless of contact? Since sound is just vibration in the air anyway. I'm probably still buying the cheap ones tho, mainly because I am cutting my table shorter, I need 'em to angle the speakers.
Okay, I did my own very crude experiment(on a set of cheap near-field desktop speakers), well I just lifted one speaker while it's playing. The rumbles underneath my table did go away. As for the sound, I can't tell, something is still muddy in mine. Might just be speaker placement(one speaker is close to a corner wall.)
I guess that's enough for me to justify buying one as I find the rumbles annoying.
Couldn’t do a demo with/without pads? Just a testimony? Pretty lazy and unconvincing video…
It's the kinda thing you can't really demo with a microphone. But you should totally do it!
Joe Gilder • Home Studio Corner Aww man, okay…
(Sigh) 3 minutes of blah blah with no actual sound test.
You want to hear the difference? Sorry that's hard to capture on video. You probably need to get a pair and hear for yourself. Or find someone who has them and visit their studio. Or just get them already because it really will make a difference. :)