Can You REALLY See A Difference? | SONY A7SIII vs DJI RONIN 4D
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- SONY A7SIII vs RONIN 4D | Can You REALLY See A Difference?
SIGN UP FOR ARTLIST: geni.us/bestmusic
LILAS CHANNEL: / lilafromyoutube
Hope you'll enjoy!
MY MAIN CHANNEL: geni.us/mymainchannel
MY SECOND CHANNEL: geni.us/plvlogs
MY LUTS: www.plindgren.com/store/
MY INSTAGRAM: / peterlindgren1
MY TIK TOK: / peterlindgren1
THE PODCAST: peterandtom.buzzsprout.com/
MY ESSENTIALS
TUBEBUDDY: geni.us/gettubebuddy
THE CALL OUTS I USE: geni.us/mhud3
BEST FCPX PLUGINS: geni.us/bestplugins
COLOR FINALE: geni.us/colorfinale2
CINEMA GRADE: geni.us/cinemagrade
BEST SFX LIBRARY: geni.us/awesomesfx
2 MONTHS OF FREE MUSIC: geni.us/bestmusic
JOIN ME ON INSTAGRAM: / peterlindgren1
MY LUTS: www.plindgren.com/store/
MAIN GEAR
SONY A7SIII: geni.us/thesonya7siii
SLIDER 10% OFF: rhino.camera/PLindgren10
LENS: geni.us/mymainvloglens
RGB TUBE LIGHTS: geni.us/Pavotube
NANLITE FORZA 300: geni.us/forza300
NANLITE FORZA 500: geni.us/forza500
RGB PANEL LIGHT: geni.us/nanlitemixpanel
SD CARDS: geni.us/sdcardsa7siii
DRONE: geni.us/mavicair2s
GIMBAL: geni.us/djirs-2
MICROPHONE: geni.us/sonyshotgunmic
B ROLL LENS: geni.us/sony24gm
EDITING SSD: geni.us/editingssd
MAC MINI: geni.us/m1-macmini
DESK GEAR
MY MONITOR: geni.us/ultrawidemonitor
NAS: geni.us/asustor10
NAS DISKS: geni.us/nasdisks
KEYBOARD: geni.us/mxkeysformac
MOUSE: geni.us/mxmastergen3
SPEAKERS: geni.us/z407
USB HUB: geni.us/brydgestonepro
IPAD: geni.us/2020ipadpro
APPLE PEN: geni.us/applepen
IPAD STAND: geni.us/satechiipadstand
OTHER GEAR I USE
MY TELE ZOOM: geni.us/sigma100-400
BATIS 40MM: geni.us/batis40mm
BATIS 85MM: geni.us/zeissbatis-85
MY MOST VERSATILE LENS: geni.us/tamron28-75mm
www.plindgren.com
LINKS USED IN THE DESCRIPTION MAY OR MAY NOT BE AFFILIATE LINKS
By using the affiliate links i earn a small fee of your purchase, it does not cost you anything extra to use them. They help me to be able to create more videos for you. Thank you for the support!
JOIN THE PL ARMY:
/ @peterlindgren1
This video is SOOO good! It was so much fun filming this in the ✨ wet rain ✨ hahaha. Also, I can’t really tell them apart and I was actually there. Let’s do it again soon! 🐔
I think it would be even more fun in the dry rain
"I don't always bring lady's to the woods but when I do I'll bring my full framers"
As a native Oregonian I'm starting to think you don't know your "dry/wet rain" from your "wet/dry rain!" ;-)
Two of my followed youtubers having to work together…cool
Nice to see you in the video... Your energy is very cool Lila
So the Ronin 4D actually has one advantage: it'll probably be in stock before the a7siii lol
Dude I could TOTALLY see the difference, one camera is WAY bigger than the other one.
Lol
lmao. lelah agrees with you my guy lol
😂😂
It's Cinematic Lila! This was such a great comparison. I love how you broke down who each camera suits best. Thanks for this! You guys definitely need to do more collabs! This was a fun couple of days. :)
I vote yes
Great review Peter Thank you
Excellent Comparison Video Peter! I Agree With You, Both Cameras Have Their Own Unique Features. Well Done! Thank You.
Awesome video!! I have A7SIII and wanted to see this test! Question: Is it possible to download a few sample unedited clips to dropbox from the 4D? I want to do some tests
Well done! Best content - real world shooting situation content - I’ve seen covering the Ronin. I don’t really have a use case that justifies the Ronin but interested in learning about it. Thanks for putting this together and sharing it.
Great seeing the remainder of the footage with Lila, she’s so cool!
Maybe this is rude to ask but does DJI ask for the gear back or you keep it or can buy it at a discount?
I think some are seeing the 4D as a step up from the typical A7s RS2 setup and that’s fine, I see where that part of the market is coming from.
I’m a 6K Red Dragon and Ronin 2 owner with both the Ready Rig and ArmorMan 2.0 vests and a Segway… I’m looking at the 4D in a different way, so for me this video shows how light and versatile the 4D is.
What I’m interested in is overall image quality with some standard meter rated tests and how far the gimbal can be tuned in its smooth track/majestic mode.
Would using an external recorder on the A7siii pull the images closer with both being in ProRes RAW?
Hi Peter! Is the e mount adapter available? Because I can see only the m mount on the dji store!! How did you use Sony lenses with the ronin 4d? Tnx!
Between your two channels I can’t keep up man. Good video
The 4D is sooo good, I could tell mostly due to the 4D's spot-on focusing in each shot. DJI has really put together an incredible tool for film makers. I want one, but there is no way I can justify the cost. I could definitely see the 4D being perfect for wedding cinematographers who are often a one-man team and the 4D isn't priced out of range for it to make sense.
No offence, but the 4D's focusing is much weaker than the Sony's.... It does not have eye detect autofocus and it always focuses on the closers part of the face. Watch the DPreview vide on this. Image quality wise it is pretty much the same.
too heavy weighted for weddings imo
How would grading Prores from the 4D compare to grading Prores from the a7sIII + Ninja V?
awesome vid to compare those beasts
Hey Peter, Thanks for another amazing video!
Would you please make a low-Light comparison of these 2!
You're a LEGEND! Thank you.
For a one man shoot with Zeiss manual focus lenses I would want the Ronin 4D. If I could be director with a full crew I'd be fine working with a cinematographer who preferred the Sony.
This is so interesting to me. I have an a7s3. And love it. I do a lot of run and gun on site shoots for my clients. And the pace is usually pretty high.
I am so interested in the 4d. And now that I have my camera rigged out, I wonder if I made the right decision. Stabilization in a fast paced environment is so important to me. It seems like the 4d would be great. Although 8-10 hours of it might break my back. Lol.
Can you edit raw from dji in Resolve ? Or only Pr or FinalCut X on Mac , Thx
You two got good chemistry together!
I had a dream last night about a camera that has auto-iso for the subject(s). In essence, the part of the sensor that is picking up the subject (when exposure is needed) would have increased iso while areas that do not need increased exposure would remain the same. This would allow for a greater dynamic range and close the gap between cameras and smart phones. what are you thoughts?
I'm saying u can just ....change the metering mode... (khaby labe face 🤷🏾♂️) If you are on a newer sony camera try using "large spot" multi or entire screen average modes...those work for me...give it a try.
Metering mode!!
@@str8poisintv131 sorry, maybe I am not being clear. If you use metering, the entirety of the shot is changed based on the meter. I’m saying the exposure of ONLY the subject would change and the background would be separate. Does that make sense?
@@flochfitness something like this exists that’s called a dual gain sensor. Every other line of pixels records at a higher iso level so that you can have a higher dynamic range. This a more reliable method because it doesn’t require the camera to figure out what part of the sensor to increase the iso for. For example, the fake blur on the iPhone camera does a pretty okay job but it often misses things or the edges of a subject might not be quite right. So imagine that same thing applied to iso, the camera wouldn’t know exactly where to boost it perfectly. So with dual gain, it’s basically recording the image with a low iso and high iso at the same time so you can push and pull the highlights and shadows yourself in editing. I think these sensors will become more common as technology improves because as you can imagine, it takes a lot of power and generates a lot of heat to for a camera to do this. Arri has been doing it for years and the canon c300 mkIII are some cameras that do this and have really high dynamic range (and a large body for cooling and a large price lol)
@@erwinmarionneaux awesome!!!! Thanks for the info 👍👍👍
This vid really put a smile on my face 😊
Awesome video bro! what camera would you buy if I told you you are going to produce cinematic real state videos only???
and some other action shootings as well ofc since I have a motorcycle hahaha
Lila looks awesome in the intro! I wish I could also try the 4D! Looks amazing!
Hey thanks for the vid man! Maybe I missed it in the vid but can you plaease tell me what lens you used on the Ronin 4D?
If you can make it look that good with color grading, that's awesome! I heard the actual lenses made for it do n't look that great. I want to get a great cinematic look. Out of their specifications, what would be the best cinematic lenses?
Thanks man!
Cool man! is the 85mm the most Tele Lens u can put on it?
Great video!
What codec and color profile did you use on each camera
Awesome video Peter, I did see a difference in the indoor shot, the orange pavotube light at the top of the screen had more of a hot spot on the a7siii and less highlight roll off. Think I’ll stick to my a7siii though haha
Wow thats a super cool experiment
could you suggest how you match the colors profile of the two cameras?
Second video for today! Thats great!
Thanks for doing this after video (most only do the initial one). I would go for the A7s3. For me it will just be easier. I use my camera on the move, so need to get out an shoot quick. A bulky camera for everything will be difficult.
The only thing I can say about this video is...
*Cameras are getting crazy good* 👀
I really think it’s a thought-provoking video but at the end of the day it depends what you’re shooting I opted not to go for the 4D simply because of what I shoot and how I shoot, I use a mixture of red and Sony camera alphas whether they are on a gimbal with a steady cam or I fly them with a money shot, I think at the end of the day it depends on the niche that we choose to be identified for our work my personal preference for you running through the forest would have been to have used a camera of choice on the money shot it would be smoother than any stabiliser but it’s just my style of shooting keep up the great work it always awesome
Really interesting video- the biggest issue for me is glass. Both of these systems would require new lenses which nowadays is more of an issue than the price of the camera body. If the DJi prime lenses for the 4D are reasonably priced then they might get more people like me to invest in their entire system- the Sony G master lenses are eye wateringly expensive for the level of work I do.
Peter where can I get that camo jacket
would like to see how the sony a7siii with the catalyst browse software compares to the ronin 4d. especially paired with a cheap manual glidecam
That intro video is crazy! Which parts were on the ronin 4d then ??
what chairs are those? not the one you sit on but the other two in the background?
Ikea 👌🏼
How about the Ronin 4D for real estate?
what about low light compared with A7SIII?
What the what. I LITERALLY just looked up how to use guides for PP (I want to create a horizon as FCPX has) and Lila came up as an option. AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW, SHE'S ON YOUR CHANNEL!
Hahahaha 😂
What about the low light performance of the Ronan 4D? Is it as good as the A7Siii? I assume it is worse. But how much worse?
It’s worse but not unusable worse 👍🏼
I wanna add the 4D to cart but since I edit in Resolve and ProRes Raw doesn't work I won't be able to get the full experience. Maybe DJI will add blackmagic raw... yeah right. lol
They looked very similar….I would stick with my a7siii because of the size and all. Great comparison!
as a pro shooter making TV commercials, I like the idea of the DJI 4D due to its size and not having to carry the Ronin M around. Its embarrassing turning up for a $5000 shoot with a Sony. I have 2 sonys already so would use one for photos and the DJI for video.
Shooting commercials myself, I must admit that the ronin looks great! However, it brings functions I don’t want to use all the time. I would still prefer the flexibility of an Sony SIII within the smaller form factor.
But I haven’t used the Ronin, so I can’t say it for certain.
nice video👍liked, thanks for sharing 😎
this thing is whole package.. and you can change the lens wow
Awesome comparison! And so crazy you found that fake granade again 1.5 years later!
Now DJI have the 4th axis technology I hope they can make it smaller. Great informative video.
Hey Peter, this question is a bit off topic but still related with the A7Siii (I just got one myself) - Do you ALWAYS have it on PAL, meaning that the highest fps you can access in 4K is 100fps? So, basically, do you ever shoot 120fps considering you are in Europe?
Yes, PAL is the way to go
The difference is, the last firmware update for the A7S III came out around the same time this video did
beautiful room
Considering that DJI is new in this playing field, being able to match and even outdo SOny at some point is really impressive.
The DJI Ronin 4D is totally outperforming your comparison!!! Nice Vid!
Where do you actually see a big difference?
honestly I got it right, A7siii on right I looked at the top Sound proof panels and the left looked more clean.
Which lut did you use for color grade
My Base Grade Cinematic 👌🏼
In the comparison video, I liked the Sony better with its more pleasing colours since the Ronin colours have some kind of green colour there visible in the skin tones and entire image. Also, it doesn't have as nice of a highlight roll-off, which can be seen on the yellow lights. On the plus side, clues seem a little less saturated which is a good thing.
It’s pretty wild how close they are. Is it just me or was the 4D not as good in low light?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the A7S3 shoots RAW with the Atomos Ninja V+ which evens the odds. What say you?
It does, but not internally!
Starring in a PL mini movie. The ultimate high eh Lila? 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
2:48 They have a cinema vibe, how come ? Did you add a filter to remove that "amateur/youtuber" effect ?
why you didnt take the granade??
As sad canon 5D Miv user, I would invest in the Ronin 4D with an EF mount.
Definitely would love to see you shoot a CRAZY PETER LINDGREN STYLE B-roll on that RONIN 4D If possible.
It’s not possible though 🤷🏻
@@PeterLindgren1 haha that's true ALSO CAN YOU MAKE THAT TEXT EFFECT AVAILABLE FOR US TOO!!
Tune at around 2:45 has exactly the same chord progression as "Daft Punk's "Get Lucky" :D
got it on both clip sets
good video. Ronin appears pretty good
The DJI is not meant for individual shooters. It’s designed to make everything that you normally have a on proper set more efficient. If, as a cinematographer, you’re not also working with (at a minimum) a 1st AC and a director, then there’s no strong argument for it. If you are, it’s potentially a huge step forward.
Broooo this is so buttery.
Cool wow it so awesomeness
I'm trying to decide right now to go for Ronin 4D or A7siii. I'm doing commercial work for companies.
R4D is wicked good. A7SIII Is CZcams/Independent filmmaker stuff in my opinion!
@@PeterLindgren1 thanks! I'm hyped about R4D. But not excited to see the looks of my clients. 🐔 📹 😂
love you sir from india😃😃
I was thinking of a Ronin 4D.
Bot bought Sony FX3. Because somtimes i need smaller camera, and you can't make Ronin any more smaller 😀
But u would like to still have it someday...
I have an a7siii and a fx3 but i think next one i take is the Ronin 4D
«I’m a treeee» - best line in a camera comparison video ever
HAHAHA my brain is interesting sometimes 😂
I could not see the difference, the sony is a beast 🔥🔥
100% agree, no visible difference.
No autofocus mention?
I will choose the a7iv cause the price tag and I don't need a lot of slow motion plus I'm a hybrid shooter and I'm coming from the a6400 crop sensor world 😀
That makes you an amateur so it doesn't matter. The DJI is a pro tool.
I already have a camera as good as the fx3 (Sigma fp) so I will be buying the Ronin 4D as my business grows.
You've found your next actor for the next rivals haha
😏
This needs to happen!
im Alex
I make videos too
i like your videos
they make me film better
Cheers buddy .. Keep it wild
you should try putting the ronin 4D och a RC car
I already have
The Ronin 4D is the most fun I've had shooting in a LONG TIME!
Btw 00:45 is a MONEY SHOT 👌🏻👌🏻
I say it ight be worth renting a ronin 4d when needed for action shot material. and owning a sony for a good old standby. I found its about $500 to rental a ronin 4d for 7 days.
I wish there was a smaller/cheaper version of the Ronin 4D. Like a Sony ZV-1 size version for us cheaper youtube scrubs.
This camera (DJI) with all the accessories is WAY to expensive for what it is.
It is far from expensive, quite the opposite considering what you get!
This thing is actually very well priced, and WAY underpriced if anything
@@conner_productions Well, maybe I exaggerated a bit but if you opt for the monitor and a few lenses you're quickly over 10k €. Over- or underpriced, that's a lot of money and puts it in a weird market place in my opinion. Something for indie film makers maybe?
@@MTBs Yeah but expensive and overpriced are two different things
@@MTBs Its for those of us that make money. Its not for shooting dogs and cats.
Was kind of easy to see the difference side by side. The DJI blows out the highlights much more.
i would like to have the A7SIII
i rhink it is the better Option for my personal usage
I had the A7SII and owe a A7III actual
Both still great Cameras
But if i could test the Ronin 4D, i would say yes ;)
My A7s iii with the DJI RS2 are a killer combo. And lighter than the ronin 4d. More lenses and the 4d audio isn’t good I hear.
Look here at 8:25! Stabilization on the Ronin 4D is on another level!
Brother which Camera is better for Beginners, Dslr or mirrorless?
Mirrorless ofc
In my personal opinion an apsc mirrorless is the best for the beginner. Canon and Sony should be the choice because of the autofocus.
Actually, a one inch camera like ZV 1 is the best.
What about the Fuji xt200
@@edddiengdoh7819 Any Fuji camera is fantastic if you are primarily into photography. Because they focus on that aspect a lot. XT 200 is a great beginner photography camera but it is not a reliable video camera at all. ZV 1, though a smaller sensor comes with built in lens and nd filters. Both are similarly priced so ZV 1 crushes XT 200 in value, autofocus and video performance. Now, it depends on your interest, if you are into photography a lot than I would suggest Canon m50 mark ii. It would be better than Fuji.
Me: *hmm, which one should I buy...*
Jokes aside, exceptional as usual
What about A7s3 gyro?
Not even close!
A7s 3 as i have in my possession.
Now, Ninja V + A7SIII Pro Res RAW vs Ronin 4D Pro Res RAW
I could only tell the right one was the a7siii because of the focal length, it looked wider than the ronin and I know the ronin only goes as wide as 24 with a prime.
But that's provided you were using a dji lens lol.
Other than that, the image quality is indistinguishable.
I used the same lens (24mm GM) on both cameras 👀
@@PeterLindgren1 oh true! Well it fooled me then lol
Perhaps the slight shift in angles is what caught me.
Both cameras look amazing.
Ronin lenses max out at 50mm. What's the longest lens it'll take? (Official list includes 105s) Gimbals for telephotos seem nonexistent. Imagine the Nikon 300mm PF on it. It weighs 755 grams, the Sony 100mm 700. Possible?