Here are the 2k rankings for y’all’s No MVP lineups: 1. Mo’s Team: 71-11 (Lost in Finals game 7 by 2 points) 2. Isaac’s Team: 68-14 (Won the Finals) 3. Don’s Team: 72-10 (Lost in EC Finals to Isaac’s team) This completely proved me wrong cause I thought Isaac’s team would be the worse while Don’s was running through every team. But looks like Bosh wasn’t as much of a hole as I thought he’d be.
The fact that it’s the dead end of the off-season and y’all are killing it my guys 🤌🏾. Meanwhile, Isaac picked Steve Kerr for shooting 😏😮💨 I’m here for it lmao
Don really does know ball the best of this group. Bridges is about that. Very underrated player and think he has the right take on Middleton. Also I share the frustration that kawhi and PG always go down when you need them and it hurts the team. Finally tatum has surpassed lebron as the best small forward. He’s a better shooter, better defender, gets to the basket just as well, better rebounder, only thing lebron does better is pass and last post season his age showed because he did have games where he was slower and didn’t perform after going all out and having a great game. Also, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, and Isaiah Thomas have left the chat as well as a few others that could have had an argument
Jayson Tatum even to this day does not get to the basket better. He’s lowkey way too reliant on his jumper. The struggles he had in the 2022 finals are still the same struggles in the 2023 ecf. I’d take Tatum too, but just because of the youth and consistency. A healthy LeBron still has the slight edge just because of the rim pressure and playmaking and this year as a help defender he was amazing.
@@LearningHoops I disagree. Tatum averaged 2.3 free throws more a game and while lebron still has that athleticism, it isn’t what it use to be. Tatum also has mastered footwork inside with his euro step and has great finishing with either hand and his threat of being a better shooter also allows him to get a quick step on his defenders. If you want to say lebron is better I can’t say that’s a hot take or a bad take but I don’t think it’s a major difference. Lebrons help defense I wouldn’t say was amazing but tatums on ball defense is much better which I would rather have over lebrons right now.
I agree with Tatum being better right now, but Tatum absolutely does not get to the basket better than Lebron. The limitations on his passing and dribbling he does a decent job overcoming. BUT, the finishing is SO inconsistent. If he isn’t dunking that mf it’s such a roulette if he actually converts. There’s a lack of touch around the rim, especially when he isn’t using the backboard.
@@as5622 if he mastered that, why are teams still closing out so hard on him compared to other players? I know that Tatum has great shooting, but teams are willing to let him drive because it is easier to defend him. You can only do so much euro-steps in a game. He has great footwork, but not at the rim. He is not a threat as a post-up player (yet as I believe he will be if not soon, but in the future). I would take Tatum too over LeBron for the most part. I'd take LeBron tho especially deeper into the playoffs as rim pressure and manipulating defenses are so important in that stretch. Tatum is still figuring out how to balance his scoring variance as he is so reliant on his three ball. Look at all the bad games he has had the playoffs and you would see that the common denominator is his poor shooting especially in that game 6 against the 76ers but he made up for it in the end.
Genuinely these podcasts are so important cus i always work on fridays in the sun in a parking lot so listening to these makes it so much more bearable
Scottie barnes is a hard player to rank there’s only a specific amount teams that he fits well in tbh like true mid teams He like a worse version of Andrew wiggins
Kyle Anderson is underrated as hell he should be much higher his advanced impact numbers are light years better then RJ and Hunter. Most ppl don’t even realize he’s one of the best defenders in the league
No Dennis Johnson on the PG trait draft is crazy. You guys really overlooked one of the greatest defensive guards ever who was also an elite passer and finisher. I’d at least take his defense over Chauncey Billups. He’s also certainly in the running for best Celtics PG, glad Don brought him up there.
2020 Lakers are A tier. 57-0 when entering the 4th with a lead, gentleman swept the entire west (greatest 8th seed ever, unguardable small ball Rockets, & the comeback kids Nuggets) and they would've beaten this years Nuggets that y'all put in A tier
I love Bridges. He's a monster, and his game reminds me of Kawhi. Efficient and deliberate scorer with lock down defense. He deserves most improved this year for sure if he can keep up his production or even improve.
Quick question? When they were putting championship teams in the tier list, do they ever consider the playoff record of the team during those playoffs? Because the rankings would have been so different. Like the '08 Celtics would be ranked lower than B or C since they took 10 losses before an NBA championship.
The thing about the top 5 discussion and the whole injury thing felt like don was judging on the things that did happen last season and seasons prior to that and made his list accordingly, while isaac and moe centered their list on what would be, if these players played all games at max health and max capacity. So just a difference in criteria.
DeMar dropped 3 pts only and that bc of a calf injury he had in January. He was avg 27 before that and Lavine was healthy this year and took a lot of shots Ofc his averages go down
14:13 Donnavan "I don't think we've seen anybody" The first 6 years of Al Horford's career he averaged 0.1 3 point attempts per game (and it's not like his mpg were low) The next 8 years of Al Horford's career he'd average 3 or more attempts every season. This last season he averaged 5 attempts per game, and shot an impressive 44.6% 3 point FG%
I meant to say in the middle there, years 7 and 8 were 0.4 and 0.5 3 point attempts per game. but anyways, a big shift in 3 point attempts for Horford in his first 8 years, and his next 8 years.
Will you guys be talking about the World Cup in September and the games leading up to it? I know it’s not you guy’s bread and butter, but there’s gonna be nba players involved and some high quality basketball will be displayed for sure
I think the debate of injury prevalence is a tough one, and it kinda depends on the question you’re asking. Like at peak performance you gotta have kawhai top 3, but if you’re talking projected impact for the season, it’s hard to even put him top 5 because you know you’re losing 20+ games a year with him. Edit: also, the CP3 Untitled episode is gonna be tragic
yea, I see so much guys disrespect guys due to inavailability and injury, that shit happens, try running up and down the floor for 30 minutes in a tall as fuck body, it's not easy, and it's hella hard to stay healthy, both players have tried, they really have, but they shouldn't be judged only by that IMO, they try, and they are unlucky, shit happens.
I think OG could be higher in a different situation, or if part of Toronto's plan is to bank on Barnes taking a leap along with giving OG more of a focus in the offense. He's going to be a monster in the right situation.
They should really revise the All-NBA requirement for the supermax. With injuries, resting players, and “superteams” you’re gonna get a handful of questionable All-NBA that’ll demolish a team’s salary cap.
i love the pod but wiggins being above scottie last season is insane when judging Mo's list Scottie: 15.3 6.6 5.8 Wiggins: 17 5 2.3 and wiggins only played 37 games while scottie played 77 scottie had a wayyyyyy bigger input for his team
Isaac gets too emotional talking about LeBron. He doesn’t even accept a little criticism it’s crazy. Tatum is a comparable scorer and a better defender and is significantly more available.
People are saying Jaylen had turnover problems because it was the playoffs, when the Heat had time to dissect film, but after that game 7, it’s not like teams are going to have to rework their defences to force him left. Put your second best wing defender on him, and glue him to JB’s right side. I’d bet he’s working on his left hand, but again: forcing a guy left is one of the most mundane things any defence can do.
The passion this pod has to argue about RJ Barret vs Deandre Hunter and Kyle Anderson vs Harrison Barnes is what keeps me coming back LMAO
De'Andre Hunter at 29 is WILD though js
@@danielactiis that too high or low?
@@tactmaticthe world may never know
There are absolutely no haters better than Donovan. Unmatched talent, i love it
Generational
@@thedeep3pod hi thedeep3 pod yall should do a collab with ttw
@@thedeep3podkeep up the good work been watching since 50k
1st team all hater😤😤😤
Thumbnail is crazy baiting Lebron at 9
Can we get one segment of Donovan letting loose by saying 3 things he hates about each nba team 😂
Fr please
Plz bro
We need this so badly
Fr we need this
Even in the middle of the dead period, y’all continue to give us 2+ hours of enjoyable content, grateful 🎉
Fax
so much better than ESPN and Fox
Jaylen Brown contract looking pretty fair now
only just recently started getting into the sport (im from england, its not that big here), but this podcast has REALLY helped me so thank you
Thank you for watching!
@@thedeep3pod thank you for being amazing
Same 😮
I like that Donnavan took Kyle Anderson on his list, and I think he's right with what he said about him (like how he could help any team)
Donovans Kyle Anderson vs Barnes was too funny
Back for another episode of the number 1 bball pod let’s go
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I’m with don, availability is a factor to take in consideration when talking best player
Here are the 2k rankings for y’all’s No MVP lineups:
1. Mo’s Team: 71-11 (Lost in Finals game 7 by 2 points)
2. Isaac’s Team: 68-14 (Won the Finals)
3. Don’s Team: 72-10 (Lost in EC Finals to Isaac’s team)
This completely proved me wrong cause I thought Isaac’s team would be the worse while Don’s was running through every team. But looks like Bosh wasn’t as much of a hole as I thought he’d be.
there's no better laugh in the world, than Mo s one. He's laughing because something's hilarious and Im laughing because his laugh is hilarious
MO’s humor is hilarious
I been watching y’all’s tiktok clips for a lil bit now and this was the first full pod I watched. Great job this pod is great
Do a draft of the worst shooting forms
The fact that it’s the dead end of the off-season and y’all are killing it my guys 🤌🏾. Meanwhile, Isaac picked Steve Kerr for shooting 😏😮💨 I’m here for it lmao
ingram was actually slanging dimes last season, im talking triple doubles.
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE GIVES HERB JONES AND TREY MURPHY THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS PODCAST
Fr no one gives them credit
Ong thats baby kawhi and tmac
@@evancase3087aight bro calm down
I don't know why I was thinking of miles bridges for so long when it was mikal 😂
That might actually be a good segment, putting the likability of championship teams into a tier list 😂
Don knew what he was saying with the "Jaylen and Kyrie are on the same wavelength"
27:40 Kyle will be a Warrior for the 2025 season
Mos laugh is my new text tone
I heard myself laugh and was like “damn… I’m loud as shit”
I’m from the uk and I rely on this pod for basketball info and it doesn’t get better! 10/10 podcast keep it up!
I already know this will be a good episode
Props for giving the Nuggets an A ranking, they deserve it. Don made some great points!
Issac not worrying about injuries is gonna be interesting when they rank Zion next week
Idea for a tier list, NBA finals runner-ups
Don really does know ball the best of this group. Bridges is about that. Very underrated player and think he has the right take on Middleton. Also I share the frustration that kawhi and PG always go down when you need them and it hurts the team. Finally tatum has surpassed lebron as the best small forward. He’s a better shooter, better defender, gets to the basket just as well, better rebounder, only thing lebron does better is pass and last post season his age showed because he did have games where he was slower and didn’t perform after going all out and having a great game.
Also, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, and Isaiah Thomas have left the chat as well as a few others that could have had an argument
Lebron is a better defender than tatum
Jayson Tatum even to this day does not get to the basket better. He’s lowkey way too reliant on his jumper. The struggles he had in the 2022 finals are still the same struggles in the 2023 ecf. I’d take Tatum too, but just because of the youth and consistency. A healthy LeBron still has the slight edge just because of the rim pressure and playmaking and this year as a help defender he was amazing.
@@LearningHoops I disagree. Tatum averaged 2.3 free throws more a game and while lebron still has that athleticism, it isn’t what it use to be. Tatum also has mastered footwork inside with his euro step and has great finishing with either hand and his threat of being a better shooter also allows him to get a quick step on his defenders. If you want to say lebron is better I can’t say that’s a hot take or a bad take but I don’t think it’s a major difference. Lebrons help defense I wouldn’t say was amazing but tatums on ball defense is much better which I would rather have over lebrons right now.
I agree with Tatum being better right now, but Tatum absolutely does not get to the basket better than Lebron.
The limitations on his passing and dribbling he does a decent job overcoming. BUT, the finishing is SO inconsistent. If he isn’t dunking that mf it’s such a roulette if he actually converts. There’s a lack of touch around the rim, especially when he isn’t using the backboard.
@@as5622 if he mastered that, why are teams still closing out so hard on him compared to other players? I know that Tatum has great shooting, but teams are willing to let him drive because it is easier to defend him. You can only do so much euro-steps in a game. He has great footwork, but not at the rim. He is not a threat as a post-up player (yet as I believe he will be if not soon, but in the future). I would take Tatum too over LeBron for the most part. I'd take LeBron tho especially deeper into the playoffs as rim pressure and manipulating defenses are so important in that stretch. Tatum is still figuring out how to balance his scoring variance as he is so reliant on his three ball. Look at all the bad games he has had the playoffs and you would see that the common denominator is his poor shooting especially in that game 6 against the 76ers but he made up for it in the end.
Genuinely these podcasts are so important cus i always work on fridays in the sun in a parking lot so listening to these makes it so much more bearable
"Give me the best defense ever crafted"
Says Kidd instead of Gary Payton
The absolute best basketball content on CZcams 🙌
I didn't remember if Jason Kidd ever won an MVP, so my starting line-up was Kawhi, Dwight, Melo, Tatum, and Dame. I think it's pretty solid
Nah Kidd never got one
I think Scottie, even though he didn’t have a great year, should be in the Top 15 at least. Keep up the content, you guys are great
Scottie barnes is a hard player to rank there’s only a specific amount teams that he fits well in tbh like true mid teams
He like a worse version of Andrew wiggins
@@NormalFootyFan lol no hes more like draymond, he plays and guards every position. plus hes an elite passer while wiggins is basically 3 and D
Pretty enjoy the vibe every week. You guys will go big
This was my favorite part of the series
2:16:02 when he had WHAT.
Look at Jaylen Brown man. So inspirational
Yeah I was in game 7 against the heat…
Kyle Anderson vs Harrison Barnes got me dying
Kyle Anderson is underrated as hell he should be much higher his advanced impact numbers are light years better then RJ and Hunter. Most ppl don’t even realize he’s one of the best defenders in the league
No Dennis Johnson on the PG trait draft is crazy. You guys really overlooked one of the greatest defensive guards ever who was also an elite passer and finisher. I’d at least take his defense over Chauncey Billups. He’s also certainly in the running for best Celtics PG, glad Don brought him up there.
2020 Lakers are A tier. 57-0 when entering the 4th with a lead, gentleman swept the entire west (greatest 8th seed ever, unguardable small ball Rockets, & the comeback kids Nuggets) and they would've beaten this years Nuggets that y'all put in A tier
You’re correct
I love Bridges. He's a monster, and his game reminds me of Kawhi. Efficient and deliberate scorer with lock down defense. He deserves most improved this year for sure if he can keep up his production or even improve.
I agree with Mojo on his take on Hunter being easier to slide into a lineup
Awesome episode, just completely stunned that Tmac was undrafted for the no mvp draft
Quick question? When they were putting championship teams in the tier list, do they ever consider the playoff record of the team during those playoffs? Because the rankings would have been so different. Like the '08 Celtics would be ranked lower than B or C since they took 10 losses before an NBA championship.
Should have a basketball movie tier list, could do so much with that
Tony Parker finishing beats every one chosen in the list
bron over tatum is actually wild
and true. A 38 year old on a bum ankle is still the best in his position
nah bum ass tatum dont know how to be consistent jimmy better too
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instead of stockton i would probably pick white choc Jason Williams
After you finish all the positions you need to do best of all time. Don arguing on why Melo’s the goat would be content😂😂😂
Love you lots content man
Mojo was so goofy for saying “KYLE SLOW-MO ANDERSON!!!” then saying put him on any team and he would thrive😂😂
The thing about the top 5 discussion and the whole injury thing felt like don was judging on the things that did happen last season and seasons prior to that and made his list accordingly, while isaac and moe centered their list on what would be, if these players played all games at max health and max capacity. So just a difference in criteria.
DeMar dropped 3 pts only and that bc of a calf injury he had in January. He was avg 27 before that and Lavine was healthy this year and took a lot of shots Ofc his averages go down
14:13 Donnavan "I don't think we've seen anybody"
The first 6 years of Al Horford's career he averaged 0.1 3 point attempts per game (and it's not like his mpg were low)
The next 8 years of Al Horford's career he'd average 3 or more attempts every season. This last season he averaged 5 attempts per game, and shot an impressive 44.6% 3 point FG%
I meant to say in the middle there, years 7 and 8 were 0.4 and 0.5 3 point attempts per game.
but anyways, a big shift in 3 point attempts for Horford in his first 8 years, and his next 8 years.
Nobody took Isiah Thomas in the no MVP draft. That’s nasty
BILL BROWN!!!! Finaly gets his flowers
Kyle Anderson is lit
Mo being sus 🤝 every deep 3 pod
Mojo was goofin that entire vif
Kyle Anderson sold a crazy layup game winner this year somebody pull up the clip
2:05 no oscar robertson is a crime
MO was just stumped on the Harrison barnes v Anderson lmao
no tony parker for finishing is WILD.
Will you guys be talking about the World Cup in September and the games leading up to it?
I know it’s not you guy’s bread and butter, but there’s gonna be nba players involved and some high quality basketball will be displayed for sure
This man donavan is probably the most different person in history
1. Tatum
2. Bron
3. jimmy
4. george
5. kawhi
6. mikal
7. demar
8. ingram
9. middleton
10. Franz
11. Wiggings
12. Anunoby
13. Grant
14. J Dub
15. Kuzma
16. Mcdaniels
17. Porter Jr.
18. S. Barnes
19. Johnson
20. Bogdonovic
2023 Nuggets>'08 Celtics is a crime.
That's recency bias
J Dub plays power forward
36:23 “syndrome is crazy” 😂
mavs swept defending champs kobe and pau, beat KD’s thunder and humbled bron’s big 3, dirk’s ring is probably the heaviest of all time
I think the debate of injury prevalence is a tough one, and it kinda depends on the question you’re asking. Like at peak performance you gotta have kawhai top 3, but if you’re talking projected impact for the season, it’s hard to even put him top 5 because you know you’re losing 20+ games a year with him.
Edit: also, the CP3 Untitled episode is gonna be tragic
yea, I see so much guys disrespect guys due to inavailability and injury, that shit happens, try running up and down the floor for 30 minutes in a tall as fuck body, it's not easy, and it's hella hard to stay healthy, both players have tried, they really have, but they shouldn't be judged only by that IMO, they try, and they are unlucky, shit happens.
They are hilarious
Donivan is the person to go off a kids about how bad they are in a u12 game lmao
what players are you guys most excited to see this season?🤔
as a heat lifer, i cant wait to see Jovic take a LEAP
@@the_salamanderI’m not a very big fan of the heat but on 100% wanna see jovic progress
Sharpe
Bucks comeback
Ja mentored by d rose
The Josh okogie disrespect is unreal
anyone notice how aggressive isaac is with his hand motions lol
On the ringer top 125 list they have Alex Caruso listed as a potential goat. Alex Caruso is better than Jordan and Lebron combined, he’s the real goat
I think OG could be higher in a different situation, or if part of Toronto's plan is to bank on Barnes taking a leap along with giving OG more of a focus in the offense. He's going to be a monster in the right situation.
fucked up the second i heard herb jones last
Don was saying Mikal’s name right. Also, I love the respect for Mikal by Don
Y'all need to make some "Go ahead and.." merch for Mo
How can you forget about Jeff Teague for best pg in hawks history?
Saying Franz will be better at his position than Sabonis at his is nuts considering sabonis is a top 4 center in the league
Dude Donavan is right and Kawhi and pg never show sucks that there hurt but that makes them less valuable
There’s no way in hell bron is over JT and PG plays the 2 my boys
my top 15:
1. tatum 2. bron 3. kawhi 4. butler 5. pg 6. ingram 7. bridges 8. derozen 9. wiggins 10. grant 11. wagner 12. og 13. porter jr 14. mcdaniels 15. middleton
Wow mojo finally won a draft for the pg one!
Been waiting all week
I went to same high school with Jaylon Brown it’s good seeing him get his money
Trey Murphy shouldn’t be lower then 20 y’all sleeping most of those guys near his ranking aren’t nearly as good
They should really revise the All-NBA requirement for the supermax. With injuries, resting players, and “superteams” you’re gonna get a handful of questionable All-NBA that’ll demolish a team’s salary cap.
Isaac okoro should be there
i love the pod but wiggins being above scottie last season is insane when judging Mo's list
Scottie: 15.3 6.6 5.8
Wiggins: 17 5 2.3
and wiggins only played 37 games while scottie played 77
scottie had a wayyyyyy bigger input for his team
Day 2 asking them to play bball in real life
Td3 since you are here with each other then can you play bball together and make a short or a video on it 😁
Isaac gets too emotional talking about LeBron. He doesn’t even accept a little criticism it’s crazy. Tatum is a comparable scorer and a better defender and is significantly more available.
Finally the best sports pod ever posted again
People are saying Jaylen had turnover problems because it was the playoffs, when the Heat had time to dissect film, but after that game 7, it’s not like teams are going to have to rework their defences to force him left. Put your second best wing defender on him, and glue him to JB’s right side. I’d bet he’s working on his left hand, but again: forcing a guy left is one of the most mundane things any defence can do.
I love ur channel sm keep up the amazing content❤❤