Everyone Wants to Leave this Rich Country | The Ireland Economy
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- Ireland has undergone a remarkable economic transformation in the past few decades. The country is doing exceptionally well so far, but you'll be surprised to know that a majority of the population is actually considering leaving the country and settling elsewhere.
So, why are people so keen to leave the richest country per capita in the world? And could the mass emigration signal an impending crisis for Ireland in the future?
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:24 Part 1: History of Emigration
02:54 Part 2: Reasons and Effects
10:10 Part 3: Government efforts
#Ireland #Economy #GeoCapital
The commentary by the lady at 0:29 is by a citizen of a different country. The lady is not from Ireland but is in fact from Northern Ireland, which still remains part of the UK. This is fairly obvious from her accent, but also from the fact that she quotes the rise in prices in P (i.e. pence) the currency of the UK as in Pounds £ and Pence, and not in cents which is part of the Euro, the currency of most of the EU including Ireland. Thirty seconds in, with such an inaccuracy, any impartial observer would have to question anything else you will say. After that we have at 1:11
"Despite leaving the UK, Ireland continued to grapple with poverty" So we take from this that
1. Poverty was Ireland’s reasonable and acceptable expectation as part of the UK.
2. Confirmation that Ireland as a part of the UK was systematically plundered (as was the case for over 600 years) in order to produce the poverty which so strangely continued after Independence, and
3. The inference that Ireland might be able to miraculously throw off the poverty 600 years of UK colonisation had inflicted on the country immediately after Independence.
In quoting historical effects, would it not be appropriate to mention that emigration was initiated by the inappropriately named potato famine of 1845, when Ireland’s UK landowners (as part of the colonisation appropriation of land) exported meat grain and other agricultural produce to England, whilst the peasants, dependent for subsistence on potatoes, starved in the ditches and ate grass, after the potato crop failed, and a million starved, and millions more emigrated. That is the origin of Ireland’s emigration culture.
Housing is a problem in Ireland, which has many sources. Like many of our EU neighbours, the arrival of refugees places considerable strain on our resources, but we have accommodated (however rudimentary in extent) a population equal to 1/50th of our native population in the last year alone. We will continue to strive to find the best means to accommodate all of our people, including the emigrants who flee persecution and war to arrive on our shore, but most especially our citizens who temporarily leave our shores, to try out foreign opportunities,for whatever reason, but then decide, like I did after 12 year overseas, to return home.
She's from Donegal you clown.
The older lady said 'p' instead of 'cents' because she remembers the(not so distant) time before we adopted the euro. It's a fairly common turn of phrase I'd say, especially among older people.
Also if you were here to remember the flood of multinational investors and heaps of European aid we got on the turn of the century you wouldn't be talking shite about "how could ireland miraculously transcend poverty?!? :oooo". You must be having a laugh because I remember being explained this in JC geography
@@_vexation9618 I think your right I'm not irish but my wife is from Galway and her and her friends and family will say the old currency sometimes. We're in our 50s. People do that. I can't speak to anything else.
as a Pole I will move there becasue after 10 yrs working in the Uk it has never been so bad in the uk .Wages for the pharmacist in the Uk are low 19£ when in Ireland you can get 40 Euro
Dispite gaining independence from the UK Ireland still grappled with poverty 😂. It only took us 60 years to pull ourselves out of the gutter with no thanks to the Brits. Independence from Britian, which stole the few natural resources we had, was a worthwhile struggle.
Seriously us Brits, are the least of your worries now!. As a Scottish Brit with Irish heritage it's a shame you hate us so much.
@@Groovytunes96 It can definitely trigger individuals when knowing how Ireland's struggle started from along time ago. People base some stuff from history if you know about it, you can't blame irish people for having their strong dislikes.
I mean no anonomosity. The (not you) "Brits" I talk about are Thatcher, Lord Grogre, Churchill going all to way back to the Wigs and Cromwell and the armies that had little respect for the 'natives'
Colonial powers that were parasitic and murderous sucking Ireland dry of any wealth it could generate and were downright genocidal at times; Cromwell killed nearly half the population in tbe 17th century and the Wigs starved to death half the population in the 19th century. Then, instead of independence for Ireland in tbe 20th centrury like most colonies, Loyd George and Churchill partioned the country in the 1920s. The schools and colleges built down south and joining the open market of the 70s fixed southern Irelands problems (and brought new ones of late)
White N@#£&rs is what the British soldiery call the Irish of the 1960s.
We dont play victim in Ireland, we get on with it. Whats really pisses the irish off is when you get someone thinking it's a chip on our shoulders rather than their own ignorance of history - It would be like being incredulous to a Jews dislike for Nazis (remember rhe Nazis are gone but the Tories still remain - never trust a Tory is an old Irish saying)
I guy once told me "you'd be speaking German only for us Brits", completely clueless to the fact we should be speaking Irish, not English.
still living in the past, perhaps the british should blame the romans
@@Groovytunes96 We don't hate you, just your ancestors. It's a shame your ancestors made us hate them so much.
There's been a wage stagnation for the past 10 years with wages going up only to combat inflation.
Yeah its also too hard to find anywhere to stay thats not a single room in a shared accommodation on the average wage, you'd have to live like a pauper for at least 10-20 years just trying to scrounge up money to get a deposit on a house and thats if don't use your money for anything else. Honestly I struggle so much from financial issues, I've considered un-aliving myself multiple times because of it, being poor feels inescapable.
They turfed students out of acommodation to acommodate illegal immigrants.
Ireland is up shit creek.
@@geoffowens9770 It always will be because it is an island. Even within the same nation a business on the edges of that country is worse off. Bringing in materials and shipping out finished goods to somewhere more central for distribution costs money that can easily tip the location into being devoid of industry. My food industry factory closed because these costs added 13p per packet. An island is even more disadvantaged. What jobs are all these immigrants going to do to repay just some of the cost of all the housing to be built for them? Its an ill conceived nonsense based on hubris
They do know the Celtic tiger was bollocks don't they?
Yes and all the foreigners are arriving in their thousands
Incentives
Happening in all Western countries. World economic forum, "you'll own nothing and be happy".
Well I own nothing but I am not 'trucking' happy
@@austinbourke9292 they will own everything, they forget to mention that but obviously the oligarchs are going to gain more assets and more power unless people stand up.
Irish out, everyone else in. Our country is being eroded.
Good your in the eu you can’t stop it. Your immigration policy set by the eu. lol
Immigration is ruining the economic stable western nations. We can absorb a few immigrants but current numbers are just like overloading a boat with low cost ticket passengers. The boat sinks.
Should have never joined the EU.
You lads have a white minority capital so you can't talk
The wealth inequality is rampant across Ireland especially around Dublin. This might make us perplexed and flummoxed as Ireland is one of the wealthiest in terms of GDP per capita. However, GDP of Ireland is substantially overstated by tech giants' revenues.
Brilliant country if you're not Irish if you are its a kip
😂😂😂😂 sure.
Keep projecting your pathetic life onto the rest of us.
😂
Not really. Irish and it's great in many ways. I moved back from abroad.
That said things are rough. They're also rough for immigrants
The famine was created by the British. I would like to also point out immigration is not the same emigration.
WEF has our country and many other by the balls. Everything is by design.
Ireland is a cool place to be in, the problem is that it is not cool enough to settle down forever, in my humble opinion.
Why not?
There's a lot of opportunities. Especially if you have useful qualifications.
The main issue is (affordable) housing, public transportation, roads etc
Entertainment.
Why did the old talking about prices going up have a British accent ? and she talked about 10p British currency very strange
Anti Irish propaganda
That's the accent in the north of Ireland counties like Monaghan, also a lot of my family still says p instead of cent because Ireland didn't switch to the euro till 2000
The old lady doesn’t have a British accent, it’s an Irish accent. She lives in the north of Ireland where for the moment there is still partial British rule. But not for much longer.
@@aidancoyle246 I see
Great vid. Real.
Most of those who left Ireland in the 70's 80's never came back , those who left after the 2008 financial crises left , came back and have left again.
Today's crop of bright young graduates now get to see their friends who've left with business degrees live better lifestyles working as baristas than they can here because of the spiraling cost of living and high tax rates in Ireland.
The Brain drain is real and our government is bereft of ideas and solutions.
migrate where? other countries suffer the same problem
@@marmedalmond9958 mostly Australia and Canada but a lot go to Dubai and various parts of Asia including Japan.
Some of these places have their own housing issues but the quality of life and living standards exceed our own regardless
@@1brenmaster canada has it worse than ireland
Ireland seems to be going in the same direction as the UK
God help us if that's true.
if you know anything at all about Ireland...it certainly is not going in a UK direction! Bonkers statement.
@@johndevoy5792 agreed
Ireland 🇮🇪 Rules the World..They went to WAR with Russia 🇷🇺 😮. Unlike UK 🇬🇧 😢😮 It's all OK Sleeping Joe Blewitt is at the Helm 😮
I hear Dublin is worse than the uk. You can’t rent and house price going up crazy. Can you please take the remainers.
Not much use being the richest country per capita, when there are so many underlying problems as shown here. A bit of a disaster I would say.
Exactly corruption is everywhere in Ireland scamdemic 91 highlighted it spectacularly
Ireland is not a rich country yet. It's a high earner, which is not at all the same thing.
Mmmm, tax collected is about 60% higher per capita to the UK and similar to comparative EU nations.
Certainly a rich country, what we do with that wealth is another story.
@@RazorMouth Still a long way from being wealthy! Need to use the money wisely and for the long term!
@@michaelmccarthy9411
Wealthy means having lots of money.
Our state has a huge amount of funding, way more than most other countries.
Therefore we are rich.
As I said what the government does with that "rich" is a separate discussion.
@@RazorMouth Yes our state has a big income stream. That does not equate to wealth. How much do we owe?
We are going in the right direction, and with care we might be wealthy in 20 years.
@@michaelmccarthy9411 how much do we owe, half as much as we did 10 years ago relative to our income and a lot less than a lot of other western nations using the above metric.
I live in co Dublin and yes prices are going up but the housing market is the main commodity technology and pharmaceutical companies are a good employer, it has however a problem with ignorance and in certain areas intolerance towards tourists, verbal and physical abuse, landlords don't want to rent to students because they have a tendency to leave the apartments they can rent in ruins, and as for the unemployment rate, a lot of people won't work in a job that they see is below them, public sector work is a good paying job but is seen as a mugs game,
When England left the EU put pressure on Ireland as it has a tir one country which has caused Ireland to pay more money towards the EU as a main benefactor towards the EUs poorer countries.
Personally i naver wanted to leave this country i wanted to stay here things getting difficult eatch day for everyone its deeply sad to see first class country turn to third world country because i know Ireland Moore then the natives Irish people jhikkey alla Apinder Singh
Now a multi cultural kip
Ireland reunification is needed now ! 😊😊😊
America has been like that since 1960.
Rich for who ,
Not for me. Barely can scrape a living !.
Because we're tax till you have literally nothing
Quite low by world standards.
Jobs is eazy accommodation is difficult and expensive wasn't like this back in the day's
I don’t understand why they simply won’t build more houses and residential buildings… what’s holding them?
🤔🤣
Absolutely, Ireland built it's economy from mostly being a tax haven and attracting the better paid pharmaceutical /bio industries and some high tech hubs but these industries require bright and highly educated personnel. It doesn't spill into locals who have been left behind who are not as bright and educated. I saw the Celtic tiger. It was wonderful times. Plenty of jobs and building was extraudinary. Builders were affluent and prosperous. Not any more as this didn't need brains am afraid. Building stopped. House prices went astronomic. Am shocked at population size. 5+ million needs more houses. I saw it at 4.5 and that was ok. But 5+ means too much and spoiling their land. The house owners don't want big housing estates on their patch. Especially around Dublin because it spoils the pretty area. Like London.
Economy lessons affluence causes inflation and it's now hurting their young. The hair dresses, the shop workers, the builders, the hospital general staff. Also health care has to be increased for 5+ million and they can't cope. The figures dont add up.
5+ million means local resentment. Is what we are seeing. Foreigners get out.
Prosperity going to foreigners who are clever enough to get the clever jobs. Ireland getting it's prosperity from hi-tech. Is what it got in. But like UK. Somebody has look after all this influx and not be paid much money.
The threat of the EU going to deny the Ireland's tax regime is looming and Germany is going to get nasty. As Germany is hurting. when that happens it'll go bang big style. Glad the UK left the EU as it's going turn on eachother in the next few years. Germany will hate their company's profits being syphoned to Ireland. And they can stop it at EU level.
Ireland's economy is based on increase increase increase. It doesn't work. Increase means more people. More people means more houses. The existing house owners don't want more houses.
gee, what a load of codswallop!! What planet do you live on?? Patently obvious you know zilch about Ireland in 2024 or any year!! As you say, 'glad the uk left the EU...' and no doubt, 99% of Europeans, would agree.
Ireland is no longer a tax haven. Its economy was built on the need to acquire foreign capital as the Brits took all the money in 1922 when Ireland left the UK. This has worked extremely well and allowed for the education standards they have today. They were so successful in fact they needed immigration to keep it going. The world financial disaster of 2007 they bounced back from better than most because Irish productivity is one of the highest and much higher than the UK or Germany. Their next stage of development is more on their start ups both in tech and pharmaceuticals and Ireland has been so good at using the capital they got that Irish multinationals employ as many people in the USA as American companies do in Ireland. Home building and transport infrastructure is behind were it should be but they have plans for that and the planning system needs overhauling but the righty of the individual is great in Ireland and this can cause legal issues but they will need to crack that egg if overall society is to gain.
@pauljeavons...all of the above is utter bullshit! You have NO clue what you are on about and its clear you know v little about Ireland
The average earner can't afford tom buy a house nor keep apace with the cost of living.
Does that sound familiar?
I'm on average wage and just put a deposit on a brand new home with Government grants. 5 minutes walk to the Luas 40 minutes to O'Connell Street.
Does that sound familiar?
I'll come back when the economy crashes and buy it off u
This guy clearly hasn’t talked to anyone in Ireland. The working class an unemployed get college paid for, lower middle class doesn’t and can’t afford to send their kids. If you get benefits like a medical card (primarily working class or long term sick) you get great benefits. In Ireland, we pay high tax and shovel it towards the bottom, but high costs for everyone mean even giving relatively high benefits doesnt feel good to the recipients.
Rural areas get the same unemployment benefit as dublin, so the are better off financially but bereft of services
Most working class people don't have medical cards. They were stripped right back years ago with the introduction of the GP visit cards. Those aren't given out too freely anymore either. Medical cards are generally for pensioners and people on long term disability. GP visit cards for part timers, lone parents etc. international students are offered free healthcare, including dental for an annual tariff of €220. Now that's something I could get behind for everyone😂
A perfect combination of people complaining about not enough houses and then people making formal complaints when plans to build are near their house. The age old "we want you to fix the problem but we don't want to pay the price". Due to weak government regulations it takes very few complaints to break a whole project. Then the projects that go ahead are in the wrong places, cost too much (because they have to be extra profitable to cover loses from failed proposals elsewhere). Nobody is winning in this system. We Irish complain about greedy landlords or construction companies but I promise this is a lose-lose game we are playing. As one of the youth working in Dublin I will be leaving as soon as possible
Let me know what you think :)
Honestly it sounds like Anti Irish propaganda.
You haven't even got your facts right.
Unemployment is at total minimum in Ireland and has been for a long time now, less than 4%.
Many other inaccuracies too, if you made the mistakes innocently then you should probably take the video down
@@RazorMouth try sayign that to the 15 thousand people thats homeless in the country that there just 4% of the population. also population increased alot because of so many foreignors comign into the country. you could do with learning a thing or two.
@@Corbzer that's called a housing shortage because we don't have enough builders to build.
Our construction sector is operating at 100% capacity.
Why comment when you know nothing?
@@RazorMouth so you acknowledge we have a houseing shortage but instead of helping the homeless the government takes in throusands and thousands of foreignors and puts them up in hotels and gives the first priority to hosuing while the homeless get shafted. rents go through the roof even students in college have to squat to stay in a place barely afford rent live far and commute or bunk up with a bunch of others to just afford the rent.
@@Corbzer whats that got to do with this video, did you even watch it? 🤦♂️
The Hegemon is the cause is the one who profits.
Thank you for supporting the New EU with the True Born Citizen Act and Good Citizen Act to ensure it is free of Non EU people.
This report lacks balance. Tuition fees are quite low by EU standards and students do not pay excessive fees.
It is not so unusual for students to share accommodation. A room to yourself is a luxury.
The lack of relatively affordable housing is as much a problem in Australia and many parts of both EU, USA and Canada.
There are real problems exacerbated by immigration but this piece is a bit sensationalist.
There are a lot of poignant comments/observations in this video. Poverty/inequality needs to be addressed. But the fact is - Ireland is a fantastic country - and lots of immigrants will tell you - they will not live anywhere else!
Emmigration data. Up to 64,000 people migrated from Ireland up to April 2023,with 30,500 being Irish citizens, Irish citizens returning to Ireland numbered 29,600 in the same period.
of them are old people who come back for a higher rate pension, so it's only adding more burden
@@cliffsofmoher4220 if you check the Central Statistics Office data on returning Irish nationals less then 2%were over 65.while the largest category at 47.5% were between 25 and 44.I would also respectfully point out that people over 65 are not a burden on the state.
@michaelogrady1002 why would anyone would wanna live in Ireland now people are starving on the streets. Ireland has no resources not enough fertile land nothing all you have is bunch of giant tech that inflate the price of food and rent but if these company's were to leave then Ireland is gonna become poorer than Africa and the irish would ho back to eating potatoes for a living
PLEASE don't tweak the Stats!! Yes 64k departed but 141.6K arrived, and in that number almost the same number of irish as Irish who left... BUT...and this is true, the Irish who left, (many due to the housing situation which anyway is/will change) ARE young, and need to explore and experience...WHERE-AS the Irish who returned are retiring will skillsets required by a hugely dynamic and expanding economy. Why not say the population increased by near 100,000 in '23...thats a decent sized city, and will continue to do so.
@@johndevoy5792 The Stats are from the CSO and of the 141,600 here is the breakdown ,returning Irish 29,600, other EU citizens 26,100, UK citizens 4800,Ukranian citizens 42,000 .
net migration toi ireland has remained positive
True but it's Irish Graduates leaving and unskilled coming in. One of these groups is less likely to be a burden on the state or social services in the long run.
@@1brenmaster 67% of foreign nationals had third level or higher education according to 2022 census.
13% unemployment rate! The real unemployment rate has hovered around 4% for years!
Was this an AI generated video based on a search for every negative headline?
I don't care what the rest of you think I'm saving to leave.
its expensive, its impossible to get on the housing ladder, the health system is dangerously mismanaged to the point that you might die if you visit a hospital, they are flooding the country with illegal immigrants and the weather is shit.
Don’t come to Canada. People want to leave here for similar reasons.
Couldn’t they find students to interview who aren’t circus freaks?
The majority of Irish people are actually happy and there is not a mass emigration problem. The statistics show the opposite. The loudest voices are those that are unhappy but the majority are happy to live here and are the real silent majority
I can't see why any Irish native would be happy to be a minority in their own country. I can tell you the silent majority in UK are not for it, the cities and now towns have quicky turned into crime ridden shit holes.
That's cold comfort for the Irish desperately seeking housing in a nation that won't build social housing adequate to the need.
True, but the housing crisis is worldwide not just an Irish issue and at least they are building houses here. We need to address the AirBNB issue
Keep smoking that copium bro
When you say “the majority” do you mean the baby boomers who have benefited the most and have the “I’m alright Jack“ attitude?
Nonsense 😡☘️
And who pray tell, is paying you?
Russia would be a great country to relocate to. great leadership and good people.
Croatia is better 80% identify as Catholic
Who the fuck sake told you this lie, putin is the killer. If you wantto relocate there I will help you by all means. Just make sure you never come back.
educated OUT Dumb trucks IN
It's also highly inaccurate.
This is a very anti Irish video!
Your so right there. I would sat a right wing anti Irish Grp ...Brexit Orientated maybe or not.
@@markkiernan5851 Absolutely. They quote unemployment at more than 13%, whereas it has been stable at about 4% for quite some time. Definitely an anti Irish troll, maybe a jealous brexiteer!
Not everyone…I’m very sure that with the will of Allah, most of Africa and Islamic world would happily move to Ireland. 😂
The English can't helped themselves with their propaganda. Wild Ireland is not a utopia. It is still a great place to live with loads of opportunity. Young Irish people have always emigrated for adventure and opportunity. As I did in the late 80s early 90s. Yes we have a houseing Crisis in Dublin as they do in London and in America Australia Canada New Zealand in their major cities. And a lot easier young people will come back as I did. Plenty of English people that have moved here to get away from your great brexit. So don't worry about us Ireland's doing quite well
Bs lreland is not rich
This is not true, it just the Irish like to experience new and return to familiar, it’s in our culture to go, something to do with the history of our wonderfully country.
are you actually denying ireland is in a state of economic crisis?
bullshit!
Unemployment is nowhere near 13%. I don't understand the motivation behind this video. It reminds me of MAGA in the USA!
Anti Irish propaganda
"rich" country with salaries on Spain level
Now, the question is, how's the status of the countries they emigrate to? Aus, Canada, and even the US has their own housing crisis. Inflation also hit those countries.
A lot of young Irish have no idea how life can be terrible for them outside of Ireland. Those who leave have done zero real research.
There's so much opportunities in Ireland, and if those who leave are those who are sub par, then good riddance.
So people just get up and leave on a whim????
What drugs are you on????