When Hoodbhoy asked Hamza to write down Einstein's Field Equations and M-Theory, he literally obliterated Hamza. Hamza doesn't have a clue what these scientific terms mean. He was so dumb to casually talk about things like M-Theory in front of someone who had done research in String Theory. Someone who has not studied or worked on String Theory wouldn't know what M-Theory is. I hate all these people who use scientific jargons to sound smart.
Hamzas supporters don't understand physics at this level, so they didn't understand the part where professor debunked him and they thought Hamza won the debate.😂
The professor wiped the floor with that ignorant fuck hamza. Hamza had to resort to personal attacks to get on his nerves and then asks him, "is this academic professional behavior?". Hamza didn't deserve the professor's time.
Hahaha...Tyical ignorant!! I bet YOU don't even understand whatever Hamza blabbers but still support him assuming that he makes sense. Even Hamza doesn't know what nonsense he is babbling. Everyone can understand what Prof. is saying
@@AthiestPakistani this is not way of communication in debates . you are an athiest because you have arguments and experiences in favour of athiesm within you ,thus for you athiesm makes more sense .but in case you are countering other ideologies ,you have to articulate and rationalise it through your arguments and you have to disprove opponents argument . I am muslims and I have arguments and experiences ,that is why I am a Muslim but when I am discussing with the athiest ,I can't just act childish for why the opponent is not getting my methodology but rather I have to prove my argument and counter the opponents argument . This is the way of discussions .
Oh the level hypocrisy 😱 imagine if the situation was reversed and atheist started making grant claims about the Quran but when changnede he couldn't write or produce verses he his taking about.
Dr. Hoodbhoy reminds me of the character Viru Sahastrabuddhe aka Virus in the film 3 Idiots. The mannerisms and styles are so similar especially when he loses it at the end of the debate lol
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it has won - Anonymous.
This always disturbs me why is Allah so much insecure of his position as Almighty ; that he considers any other worhsip apart from him suitable for an Eternal Hell..This God sounds Egoist ; Jealous ; Insecure to me...but as per One Suprme God of Vedas ; God says who worhship other Gods also worship him in Worng way and God says he is one who makes their Faith steady because as per Vedic Religon God is very open hearted and Free of all forms of hate and Envy and jealousy.. ..this makes more sense to me ...And God of Vedas is more interested in Relationship than Sectarian Religon..he is more interested in our Purity than our Rituals.. The Western monotheistic traditions frequently depict God to be jealous; he forbids the worship of any other gods and even approves the destruction of their places of worship. In contrast, the Bhagavad-gita reveals a God who is not jealous but is zealous. Krishna as God is concerned not about guarding his position as the exclusive object of worship, but about facilitating the spiritual evolution of everyone. Knowing that some spiritually under-evolved people won’t be ready to worship him, he arranges for them to worship other gods - a worship that can serve as a starting spur for the spiritual journey of those souls. Krishna as God is concerned not about guarding his position as the exclusive object of worship, but about facilitating the spiritual evolution of everyone. Souls in their spiritual kindergarten, by acknowledging the need to worship some being greater than themselves, begin the process for kindling the mood of devotion towards the Supreme. Krishna assists them by strengthening their faith in the demigods (07.21) and by empowering the demigods to bless according to that faith (07.22). Nowhere in the Gita does Krishna endorse violent intolerance towards other gods - a defining feature of the jealous God. No doubt, Krishna unambiguously describes his supreme position as the source of all the gods (10.02). And he also unequivocally urges everyone to give up all other forms of worship and surrender to him alone (18.66). Does this call demonstrate his jealousness? No, it too demonstrates his zealousness, albeit in a different, more direct way. This call expresses Krishna’s compassionate desire that souls who are ready to worship him return to him as quickly as possible by taking the best path for their spiritual growth: the path of pure devotional service to him. Thus, both in arranging for the worship of other gods and in endorsing his exclusive worship, Krishna demonstrates the same zealousness for others’ elevation - a zealousness customized according to their level of receptivity. Watch 10 major Lies of Zakir Naik about Hindusim debunked czcams.com/video/bi40cpbsVP0/video.html Note :: This is not a Sadhguru answer ; this is different edited Video.. Article written by ( Pakistani Writer based in U.K ) Khalid Umar FOR MY MUSLIM FRIENDS - AN INVITATION FOR INTELLECTUAL ENQUIRY QURAN VS BHAGVAT-GITA When it comes to religious matters, there are always debates and discussions as to which is the perfect religion that guides towards salvation and teaches one to be a perfect human being. Presenting facts about religion is a tough task as most of them try to hide the shortcomings of one's religion. But what is not to be forgotten is truth cannot be hidden and by some means it will prove its existence. There are much arguments about Quran and Bhagavad Gita, considering there complete contradictory nature. Muslims have always argued that the Quran is the only path to see God, while Hindus believe that attaining salvation (moksha) is equivalent to seeing God which can be achieved by developing good deeds. HOLY QURAN 1. Quran says: Islam is the only true religion. The God gets upset when one “sets up partners in worship with Him” (Quran, 4:116). 2. Only those who believe in Quran can go to heaven. And there is no place than hell for Kafirs (non-believers). Allah punishes people those who worship other Gods which is described in the words….“Lâ ilâha illa Huwa” (No one should be worshiped other than Allah) (Quran, 6:102). 3. Quran describes Muslims are the only rightful people and raised for mankind (Quran, 3:110). Heaven is the ultimate goal of life and every man should try to get it in their life. 4. Quran says followers needs to fear him and if followed, he will grant reward (Quran 65.5). It also describes that every Muslim should perform 5 times prayer, go to Haj, if not, ready to face fire in hell. The book also says, “Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever.” (Quran 72.23) 5. Quran says, that Muslims must obey Allah and his guidance and anyone who intends to follow other religion will never be accepted (Quran 3.85). NOW LETS US LOOK AT WHAT BHAGAVAT GITA SAYS… 1. Bhagavad Gita doesn’t believe in self centered attitude. The Lord says, I am in everyone’s heart as a soul. “As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity.” (Bhagavad-Gita, 7:21). 2. Gita mentions that there is only one God, but people see him in different forms (Bhagavad-Gita, 7:22). 3. The Gita says “He is a perfect yogi who, by comparison to his own self, sees the true equality of all beings, in both their happiness and their distress, O Arjuna!” (Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32). It says Karma will decide ones fate and religion, heaven and hell has no meaning in Gita. 4. Krishna says, do not fear me, do your duties and your work will protect you ever (Bhagavad Gita 18.66). 5. Krishna says, I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.(Bhagavad Gita 9.29). 6. Gita allows free thinking, All activities should be performed without attachment or expectations and as performed as duty from whole heart, That is My opinion, says Krishna (Bhagavad Gita 18.6). By saying That is my opinion, he allows free thinking and allows people to decide what is right or wrong. postcard dot news (( Note :: Bhagvad Gita also talks about Monotheistic concept of God )) Watch :: czcams.com/video/gpYtk2iCISw/video.html Hindu response to Islam czcams.com/video/pSz64rIb6sE/video.html
Mr Hoodhboy asks to stay within your field 😂😂and every other day this guy himself is talking about religion and politics ….so as far staying within your field is concerned Mr hoodhboy is the last person I’d expect to talk about this.
False equivalency he can read the Quran any literate person can do that but when hamzaboy was asked to einstein's field equations he made fool of himself.
Yes he talks about current affairs, doesn't take a genius to do so. Hamza is out there trying to prove Allah from M theory which he doesn't know the basics about.
do you think Islam is so complicated that we need to be "in a field" to understand it? Physics, science is complicated and unlike religion, you can't understand it unless you first have basics worked out. Anyone, can study and understand religion and if they can't, you are just implying religion is stupid and is beyond a normal person's reach.
He debunked Hamza's style of argumentation that relies on deductions that aren't verifiable or testable but based on premises he considers rational based on his intuition.
@@Payseur Do you even understand what empirical arguments mean? Do you? Why can't someone talk with pure logic , Rationality and validly demonstrate able things(Logical things) That's a fallacy to demand that arguments against me should just be how I like them!
@@InshalHassan-r4s Who gets to decide what pure logic or rationality is then? Hamza? Lol. If he was able to demonstrate these things with actual tangible logic, he'd win a noble prize.
Athiets often claim to act rationally but the act of Hoodboy is highly condemnable. He hurled abuses on Hamza but the he patiently tried to reply. More logical power to #Hamza👍🏻
@@AthiestPakistani He is Islam hater. He has issue with everything that Islam says so hamza said it right. Its you atheists who blindly follows whoever speaks against Islam
Bro I’m a muslim and hamza is an embarrassment he has tried to debate loads of scientists and keeps getting owned for the reasons stated he is scientifically ignorant and should not be engaged in this. Simple as that.
Hoodbhoy hates Islam?? Hoodbhoy is doing more service to Muslim World by being a scientist and educating our civilization how to act like a civilization capable of survival in modern world. What has this Tsortsiz guy done for Muslims? The professor doesn't hate Muslims. He is frustrated to see his people acting suicidal and miserable when they have so much potential to do great intellectual things for humanity. I'm a Muslim and I'll always support the professor, not some wannabe Muslim convert who doesn't know about ground issues.
Search Hamza on CZcams or even google you'll see his works and contribution to Islam... Athiest scientists respect his views and are his friends too... But you in your mom's basement wouldn't know that
Professor was already feed up with hamza's imaginary theory and comments and at the last hamza just came to conclusion that professor hates islam as professor was talking about religion but not only islam and people they have to understand that if you say somone that" he hates islam" by reccording video then what will happen with him. He just put his life in danger by saying professor hates islam.
oh fucking logic dude he can ans his question but he chose running while whole Pakistan know he hate muslims we are not deaf we heard what he say every day about islam
you said prof wasn't obliged to counter hamza's argument but what? -"stay. on. topic." yet he spent his whole time making personal claims and ad hominem attacks. shame on you!
Hamza's argument were complete trash and not even his supporters understand. I challenge you to write the argument that Hamza gave. I know you will fail because Hamza blabbered nonsense.
@@AthiestPakistani I think you will not even if I do because Pakistani are not that much interested in knowledge. All you can do is just to talk about molvi to avoid your ignorance!
I have watched the full debate and without any baseness i can say the professors was totally caught off guard. Hoodbhoy couldn’t answer the audience and he was already frustrated. Not a single time professor could answer the question directly which was asked. In this video we can see he just wanted to end the debate by making any excuse and he got one. This is shameful Hoodbhoy should engage more in debates with people who has different point of than his to learn the ethics of debate and grow some patience.
@SS Bro I Have Already Mentioned Above Its A Philosophical Book. Tell Me Anything Exceptional Out Of Geeta That Can Be Applicable To Military Still Nobody Thought Of It? 3000 Yrs Ago People Living In Egypt Built Pyramids With No Help Of Modern Equipment Is Quite Surprising, It Only Suggest Human Beings Even In That Time Were Well Capable At Engineering But That Doesn't Mean They Were Equivalent Or More Advanced Than Modern-day Engineer Similarly In Geeta You May Found Some Words Related To War Strategy But In Modern Day Warfare Its Not Exceptional
This is not taken out of context. Here is the full debate. czcams.com/video/iUNPq5qn3U0/video.html The Quran is a religious text. It tells the reader the morals, stories, what to believe in and how to pray. It is not compatible with science that is what the debate was about. Hamza has made this mistake before in his debates. He is out of his league. It would make more sense if he debated other sects in Islam and other religions. His scientific knowledge is very limited.
@@attilathehun0 have you even watched the full debate? Professor did not answer to Hamza's single premises (neither logical not scientific). He only resorted to attack on Hamza's scientific knowledge and mocking muslims for their belief in Allah. Professor should have been more objective for this kind of a debate. I believe Hoodbhoy does not stand a tiny chance against Hamza in this debate because of his lack of understanding other's argument.
@@attilathehun0 Quran has verses of science also, it precisely talks about creation of the universe. You can google it before reaching wrong conclusion about the Quran.
@@sadamshaikh2669 I saw the whole debate some years back. Religion is about believing in the unbelievable it is not logical. Hamza did at times use scientific terms that he did not understand. He failed to prove religion is rational. Hamza lied about Hoodboy claiming he hates Muslims than he started calling him Kafir. The things going on in Hamza's brain was very Medieval.
@@sadamshaikh2669 Creation is not scientific. Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! As long as you are not too nitpicking this is basically the same as the Bible and the Ancient Sumerian Myths.
Abdomen exploding at this point from laughter….the Hamza v Krauss was probably the most entertaining religion / science debate I’ve ever seen but this one comes a close second.
Professor Hoodbhoy look arrogant and he wasn't supposed to walk out of the debate this way, even if Hamza was wrong/right. Do personal attack and calling opponent liar and shut up is ill mannered. Shame Hoodbhoy.
@Captain Kirk Says the person who is blind and can’t take their man getting their ass whooped on video. Hooboy couldn’t keep up 😂 Why did he leave then? Lmao
Because idiots like Hamza blinded by delusional and BS beliefs (proven factually incorrect over and over by findings in science) will get to any sane man's nerves.
It was a test of tolerance to watch Hamza. He speaks like he left something on stove. Perhaps, he uses the strategy, when you can't explain it, confuse people about it. His speech was so boring like a chemistry teacher who just speaks to himself. It was more of a cricket commentry than a speech by Hamza. So incoherent. He never even took this discussion with the professor serious and respectful. People like him just learn the script, which include some cultural jokes and mixing so many irrelevant theories and data to make the audience think perhaps they never heard of it, it must be true. Hoodby is a genious and I do not even think Hamza has the tiniest caliber to argue with Professor Pervaiz Hoodboy.
Fun fact if you would have watched the debate he clarified it . Simple Qur'an is a book for Guidance and yes it does contain scientific miracle but answers the existential questions
@@salahsabri2925 Hamza failed to write M theory on board and you are calling hood boy pseudoscience. The debate ended when he called him a liar without any proof ...watch it again Sir
Why is Hoodbhoy being arrogant because his field is science? Hamza can boast about philosophy too but he didn't. I'm a Pakistani but Hamza will fuck up Hoodbhoy if he debates again. Now that Hamza is more equipped with Philosophy and other subjects. It's like asking Stephen Hawking to explain Darwinian Evolution or expecting Charles Darwin to explain Quantum Mechanics.
Bro we need more Pakistanis understanding the views of Hamza Tzortis and the classical view of Islam and science out there (which was never about pseudo science) so please do so
Not arrogant at all. This is what us scientists have always found frustrating tbh. Laymen with zero clue about scientific concepts will boldly relate them to religion. When you know zilch about the concepts, how can you mention them in the context of religion??
I'm a Pakistani Muslim and I'm a big fan of hoodbhoy but the pervez hoodhbouy I've seen on tv is a very calm and collected person don't know what got to him during this debate 🤠
Hamza won the debate but I can understand the reaction of Hoodbhoy, In pakistan Blasphemy is a crime so Hamza kind of put this guys life in danger there.
This Hamza fella is the embodiment of Bertrand Russell's dictum that the problem with the world is that stupid people are so confident but smart people so full of doubt
You can be good, great, best Physicist, biologist, doctor, sportman, politician, Theist, theologian but you can only be Athiest. Because athiest doesn't do anything but to create confusion and even kid in kindergarten can do that. Just ask as many question as you could and you are welcome to become athiest.
gautam,if you can live with modi ,a terrorist killer and extremists hindus who even can,t tolerate a movie like padmavati ,then ,yes,hoodbhoy can live in pakistan ,which is for better from india and west ,even pakistan is more librel than west in some matters ,like freedom of expression, even you can use any language on media against govt and pthers.which is i think even not aliowed in america,it example is hassan nisar,who some time use abusive language against rulers ,mullas and others.
How wise of the uploader to leave a link to Hoodbhoy's response and not to the actual debate where Hoodbhoy couldn't answer a single argument raised by Humza.
Professor couldn't respond about any narrative built by his theology rather reminding Hamza it's not your field so professor at least correct him where he goes wrong, once argument ends egoistic approach establish as we can see by professor!
Holy Quran is the criteria and the truth, whoever against it they're sub men, especially those who doesn't read it even once but barking against it like a dog or worst than that!
Raheel Khan Reading the Quran is what made me anti-Islam. It goes way beyond not liking this religion. I consider Islam to be a serious threat to civilization and an enormous obstacle to world peace. Even if the only bad thing about Islam were its digusting apostasy law, that alone would still disqualify the religion in its entirety. Unfortunately, that's only one of a plethora of massive problems. The Quran on women's right? "Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. " - quran.com/4/11 " if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her" - quran.com/2/282 " due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]." - quran.com/2/228 " if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" - quran.com/5/6 These lines have done incredible damage to the potential of women in Muslim majority countries. People who value 'following the command' of an imaginary, highly capricious and deeply immoral deity more than actually contributing to the advancement of our species are a threat to civilization. The absolutely backward teachings of Islam have the property that they hold back the potential of civilizations that they infest. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would choose to follow this demented garbage.
Ok, so this is how he 'debunked' Hamza: Called him a illiterate and titled himself to be the knowing simply because Hamza is not a student of science, whereas Hamza uses Philosophy as a base to his arguments while REFERENCING scientific facts. So basically Professor debunked himself
If you do not know much about science you should not refrence to it in big philosophical questions. So yes, Hamza was really debunked. He uses old philosophical arguments and wrap them in as they were something new. Philosophy has not kept up with science after the enlightment. This does of cource not mean that philosophy is useless, but it must be based on modern science to be valid. This is were Hamza fails.
tjoooda first off, philosophy is not supposed to keep up with science as they both are different studies, science deals basically with materials and how they came to be whereas philosophy gives you an intellectual thinking base, basically on how you should think, so science can not outdate philosophy and they do not correlate.
You really think that? Tell me briefly (or in dept if you have time) about how you think the history of philosophy developed from the Greeks to the Arabs and from the Arabs to the Europeans. Then you do the same think about science. Further you should know that science is not basically about materials. Science is also about humans are thinking, how they should think and so forth. It is called psychology. Modern psychology is again based on medischine, which is based on biology witch is based on chemestry and finally based on physics. It is all connected. That is why philosophy without science is meaningless.
tjoooda I may be illiterate but even I realize the major difference between psychology and philosophy, psychology deals with how human thinks where as philosophy gives the fundamentals on how a human SHOULD think, what's right and wrong, the basic moral values etc, where as psychology, more or less, based on a repititive pattern determines what a human would do and how would it react in a certain situation. For instance, would a father stab his baby or would he not? According to psychology, it wouldnt as the baby contains his dna and is supposed to carry his genes etc, but imo, he may or may not do it based on his own understanding of what's beneficial for the situation. But then again I am an illiterate and might just be shooting blanks based on my own compact understandings so pardon me.
I think you have a too rigid and narrow view at the terms philosophy, science, moral, and psychology. Lets first check some common explainations of the first three mentioned. Philosophy: "A love or pursuit of wisdom. A search for the underlying causes and principles of reality." Science: "The study of natural phenomena by observation, measurement, and experimentation." Moral: "Standards of conduct that distinguish right from wrong." Lets compare philosophy and science first. The only thing that really differ these two terms are the measurment and experimentation. They are both in science but not in philosophy. This is because ancient philosophiers thought (and some living today also) ment that you could just observe and THINK yourselves to the truth. In science however, we need experimentations and measurements also. And that is just the basic... scientific methods are far more andvanced than that (beyond the scope of this post to describe further of that). So, if a modern philosopher shall THINK him- or herself to a truth, it must be done true science. And even then philosopher cannot come any closer than a probability (unless it is at scientific disepline as mathematics or physics). But what about moral? As we can see, it is just a small part of philosophy and even a smaller part of science. Becuase moral is not universal, it is just as it varies between different societies and even diffrent individuals. And finally psychology: "The science dealing with the study of mental processes and behavior in man and animals." Mental processes and behvoir encompasses of cource also moral, because as soon as you try to figure out what is right and what is wrong you are using your brain and you are also affected by the society arounds you. And then we are into a major scientific term called antropology: "The science devoted to the comparative study of man." It might be tempting to separate diffrent terms but they are all connected and overlap with each other in varoius ways. You just have to study each term hard enough and you will get a nice overview.
To dear hoodhbhoy sir.. May be there is a better way you could find to attract them to study physics instead of scolding them... Only you can do it. You can show them how beautiful physics is.. How amazingly this Nature works 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Hamza: "is this an academic way to have an academic discussion?" Also Hamza forgetting that he falsely accused the professor of hating the muslims world when they're debating in Pakistan, one of the most Islamist countries in the world and the smallest penalty of criticizing Islam is excommunication. Hamza is typical, the guy who uses philosophical arguments which are all based on personal assumptions. Yes, I've watched the debate, and to be honest, Hamza's argument is like the famous Kalam way of thinking. The professor was trying to dissociate science from social and religious ideologies, but Hamza, neglecting different ways of interpreting the Koran, had only tried to reshape verses into what suited him.
@@diefaust4252 btw...why do you think I am not in a position to talk about Quran interpretation or verses? You have no idea if I am a muslim, or not, or if I study the Quran. Anyways, cheers
After not being able to answer even a single logic put forth by Hamza, he was just ridiculously angry over his failure and, then, shows up his infuriating and childish behavior. Watch the full debate and you'll know why he was so frustrated that even a slight comment provided him with a chance of leaving the debate.
Hahaha...Tyical ignorant!! I bet YOU don't even understand whatever Hamza blabbers but still support him assuming that he makes sense. Even Hamza doesn't know what nonsense he is babbling. Everyone can understand what Prof. is saying.
@@AthiestPakistani Sir.. 🙄 I've mastered Forensic chemistry brother and need not to ask anyone who makes sense and who else does not! Pretty well aware of rationality and science.. Ignorance has already been manifested by you by showing up your prejudices even without knowing someone else! You are in a hoax of following the rationality and science! Ask scientists if you want! :)
@@AthiestPakistani you are the who is ignorant. Hamza made two arguments linguistic miracle of the quran and cosmological argument for existence of God. Hoodbhoy strawmaned the first one and dodged another. That shows hoodbhoy is a pathetic idiot who does not know what he is talking about
@@AssadAli7 your license to practice forensics should be revoked because you believe in a Fraudulent Mohammed, whether you believe god is no problem but believing in the Quran or Bible is the most anti forensic science shit I have ever heard. Glad you aren’t ever going to make it far in scientific study.
+Great Warrior lol I don't want to get into argument.. And we aren't blind we've eyes and we can see who's talking like an idiot.. Actually the fact is that this professor don't have any answer and that's y he kept on shouting at Hamza..😂
So According To. Atheists . Being Rude And Disrespecting Anyone Is Refutation . 👏👏👏 Btw , Why Prof Is Talking About Islam . Even He Don't Know The Basics Of It ??
Exactly this show his double standard and hypocrisy. This professor continuously talk on Islam and Islamic history without knowing arabic. He called Hamza an ignorant if science but itself get offended and use the bad words for the guest. Shame on professor hoodboy
Its obvious the hood prof got personal and didnt answer any arguments on the philosophy side. Hamza never claims to be a scientist and always emphasises that his arguments are philosophical. With all due respect the prof can hardly string two English sentences together without making a grammatical mistake hes purely a mathematical reader and has nothing to do with argumentative methods used in such debates.
This Video should be removed from the youtube.... such a bullshit video..... This guy want only to be popular... he does not possess such balls to stand in-front of such a great intellect and mentor like Parvez Hoodbhoy
When prof Hoodbhoy visits India, students surround him eager to hear his thoughts on science. And he has to deal withy these idiots at home. Not even 10 good people in audience.
I would also like to refer the pseudo professor to a book by Dr. Maurice Bukhail names Book of Signs. He is a French doctor much more credible than Hoodbhoy.
What makes it pseudoscience if things in the Quran or corresponding with available scientific data than a suggestion would be made that something remarkable is going there or at the very least it’s worth investigating.
Hahaha, Maurice bucaile is not a pseudo scientists. The level Islam destroy brain cells of human is beyond anything else. At athe end, u fall a bastard as a holy role model. Don’t u?
@@speedtest8166 So you’re saying if the Quran makes claims about nature and these claims were investigated by Dr Maurice Bukhail and he found those claims to be relatively true you’re saying the doctor should’ve avoided that, you’re the type of person when showing evidence would reject it just out of arrogance.
@@Tarz2155 what type of evidence tho? All the muMmy has salt in their body for preservation. so it's bad to assume the one he investigate is the had been drowned and get restored
only haters are commenting here against hamza the man who ran off is not being blamed for retreat just watch the full debate so u wud understand hamza is absolutely right.
I am sorry but the person who leaves the room like a toddler after also having a tantrum like a toddler s never the one who "debunked" or "won" the argument
Hamza tzortiz needs to learn from sheikh ahmed deedat he shouldve said ive made a claim you gave your defense let the people judge soemthinf sheikh ahmed deedat said in a similar situation
Hamza is a guy that says words without meaning. He just says fancy words without actually giving context or even worse defining. He is a good presenter of empty words
Words are parts of speech and speeches are parts of the Omnipotent God's creation. Why don't you try to have proneness for real and fruitful parameters?!!
It is not necessary that they should know everything about a theory. Because this is not a debate from a science point of view ¤ did our universe always exist ? The Big Bang Theory gives the answer... to counter a view Final Conclusion is Important for a Debate
It is "IMPOSSIBLE" to be religious and rational. Science is founded on the conviction that experience, effort and reason are valid. Magic on the belief that hope cannot fail and desire cannot deceive.
and a scientist is talking about religion when he never read any of the religious texts. At least Hamza is aware of the scientific arguments that he makes. A scientist who involves himself in a specialization that he doesn't understand is just as ignorant as anybody else. Doesn't change anything.
@@SM-sc5ku He can't prove it and that's why he lost his patience and got mad. Lashing out is a form of defeat. He also accused him of lying and left in rage. at least Lawrence Kraus didn't rage like that when he couldn't disprove Allah's existence.
If a person listen this debeate neutraly then It will say pervez hoodboy is genuis and hamza is emotional fool. The logic and the facts that hoodboy used was excellent.
Hamza should have asked him to write down a verse in arabic as it was challenged by Quran...with all it's meaning.. context..rhythm ..and purpose... And if Hoodhboy can't then he should also shut his mouth about Islam as he is asking Hamza about science...
@@MK-dx8mt The Quran states that Arabic was the best language to use due to it being an oral language, not a written one. Again the Quran is not a book of science but a guideline for life. People keep conflating
@@MK-dx8mt Lmao just google it your self but as I feel like being nice I will do it for you: Quran 12:2 "Alif Lām Rā. These are verses of the enlightening Book. We have sent it down, as an Arabic Qur’an, so that you may understand"
@@zccau2316 thanks. Now go back to your first reply, and read the first three lines. Then compare your statement with the quote you've googled for me. Also compare it to mine and see who's more accurate? Where does it say in that verse that "arabic was the best language to use due to it being an oral language, not a written one" ? And you wrote, "the quran states that" Where?
The Professor schooled the little Ham boy. Hamza uses new space age and buzzwords. Watch him being destroyed when he goes on the magic sandwich show. He actually admits that the Koran is a book of signs not science.
eeeh? the quran is a book of signs and not science Hamza doesnt need to admit it, it is a fact lol., it is not like we muslims go around and say that it is a book of science and therefore you should believe in god. bro you live in the stone age, not once have we muslim said that it is a book of science although it contains some scientific evidences and topics.
walli walli Errr. A lot of Muslims did go around trying to prove their pseudo ‘scientific’ evidences. All have been refuted and debunked. Mohammad never brought anything new that wasn’t already in the Bible or torah. Quran is nothing special. A very simple book narrated by a Seventh century man.
bro, again what are you talking about. first of all the quran is not like the bible or the torah, the bible has a lot of contradictions and it has been changed and reformed many times such as the torah. the quran is special because it hasnt been changed since it first became revealed and that is a certain fact which has many proofs. second of all the quran do contain scientific evidences such as the earth is round, the moon borrowing light. the orbit system etc. but we muslims dont use it as an argument because there has been greek philosophers and many others before the quran that had these views about science, our belief is not primarily based on the science in the quran, it is based on simply believing on the message that there is no god worthy worshipping except Allah and that the quran is Allahs speech. i dont see how the professor schooled "the little ham boy" have you even seen the whole debate?
walli walli oh I saw the debate. But the scientific part I was referring to was from the Magic sandwich show which I clearly mentioned earlier. And preserving a book does not make it special. And there is nothing special about the Koran. It starts stories and never finishes. It’s full of errors. It has NO proofs of anything. It is a simple book made by a 7th century man. And like you said. It is about belief. Not proofs.
Your hoodbhoy did nothing positive. LOL. he destoryed the very foundation of Athiesm by saying science has nothing to do with "why" question. hahaha. Very bad experience.
When Hoodbhoy asked Hamza to write down Einstein's Field Equations and M-Theory, he literally obliterated Hamza. Hamza doesn't have a clue what these scientific terms mean. He was so dumb to casually talk about things like M-Theory in front of someone who had done research in String Theory. Someone who has not studied or worked on String Theory wouldn't know what M-Theory is.
I hate all these people who use scientific jargons to sound smart.
Hamzas supporters don't understand physics at this level, so they didn't understand the part where professor debunked him and they thought Hamza won the debate.😂
Hoodboy not even disproved one statement of Hamza ,he was acting like a child
The professor wiped the floor with that ignorant fuck hamza. Hamza had to resort to personal attacks to get on his nerves and then asks him, "is this academic professional behavior?". Hamza didn't deserve the professor's time.
@@SilverNitrate- hahaha typical denial ignorant. Professor cried in the end and left.
Hahaha...Tyical ignorant!!
I bet YOU don't even understand whatever Hamza blabbers but still support him assuming that he makes sense.
Even Hamza doesn't know what nonsense he is babbling.
Everyone can understand what Prof. is saying
@@AthiestPakistani this is not way of communication in debates .
you are an athiest because you have arguments and experiences in favour of athiesm within you ,thus for you athiesm makes more sense .but in case you are countering other ideologies ,you have to articulate and rationalise it through your arguments and you have to disprove opponents argument .
I am muslims and I have arguments and experiences ,that is why I am a Muslim but when I am discussing with the athiest ,I can't just act childish for why the opponent is not getting my methodology but rather I have to prove my argument and counter the opponents argument .
This is the way of discussions .
Oh the level hypocrisy 😱 imagine if the situation was reversed and atheist started making grant claims about the Quran but when changnede he couldn't write or produce verses he his taking about.
Dr. Hoodbhoy reminds me of the character Viru Sahastrabuddhe aka Virus in the film 3 Idiots. The mannerisms and styles are so similar especially when he loses it at the end of the debate lol
😂😂😂😂 and then there are muslims like you who can't even defend Islam?
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it has won - Anonymous.
TrueIndian Precisely! :)
hamza was too busy on ashley madison hahaha - btw whats happening with that?
Well, Professor Hoodbhoy started attacking Hamza when he felt that he can't counter his arguments.
This always disturbs me why is Allah so much insecure of his position as Almighty ; that he considers any other worhsip apart from him suitable for an Eternal Hell..This God sounds Egoist ; Jealous ; Insecure to me...but as per One Suprme God of Vedas ; God says who worhship other Gods also worship him in Worng way and God says he is one who makes their Faith steady because as per Vedic Religon God is very open hearted and Free of all forms of hate and Envy and jealousy.. ..this makes more sense to me ...And God of Vedas is more interested in Relationship than Sectarian Religon..he is more interested in our Purity than our Rituals..
The Western monotheistic traditions frequently depict God to be jealous; he forbids the worship of any other gods and even approves the destruction of their places of worship.
In contrast, the Bhagavad-gita reveals a God who is not jealous but is zealous. Krishna as God is concerned not about guarding his position as the exclusive object of worship, but about facilitating the spiritual evolution of everyone. Knowing that some spiritually under-evolved people won’t be ready to worship him, he arranges for them to worship other gods - a worship that can serve as a starting spur for the spiritual journey of those souls.
Krishna as God is concerned not about guarding his position as the exclusive object of worship, but about facilitating the spiritual evolution of everyone.
Souls in their spiritual kindergarten, by acknowledging the need to worship some being greater than themselves, begin the process for kindling the mood of devotion towards the Supreme. Krishna assists them by strengthening their faith in the demigods (07.21) and by empowering the demigods to bless according to that faith (07.22). Nowhere in the Gita does Krishna endorse violent intolerance towards other gods - a defining feature of the jealous God.
No doubt, Krishna unambiguously describes his supreme position as the source of all the gods (10.02). And he also unequivocally urges everyone to give up all other forms of worship and surrender to him alone (18.66).
Does this call demonstrate his jealousness?
No, it too demonstrates his zealousness, albeit in a different, more direct way.
This call expresses Krishna’s compassionate desire that souls who are ready to worship him return to him as quickly as possible by taking the best path for their spiritual growth: the path of pure devotional service to him.
Thus, both in arranging for the worship of other gods and in endorsing his exclusive worship, Krishna demonstrates the same zealousness for others’ elevation - a zealousness customized according to their level of receptivity.
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Khalid Umar
FOR MY MUSLIM FRIENDS - AN INVITATION FOR INTELLECTUAL ENQUIRY
QURAN VS BHAGVAT-GITA
When it comes to religious matters, there are always debates and discussions as to which is the perfect religion that guides towards salvation and teaches one to be a perfect human being. Presenting facts about religion is a tough task as most of them try to hide the shortcomings of one's religion. But what is not to be forgotten is truth cannot be hidden and by some means it will prove its existence.
There are much arguments about Quran and Bhagavad Gita, considering there complete contradictory nature. Muslims have always argued that the Quran is the only path to see God, while Hindus believe that attaining salvation (moksha) is equivalent to seeing God which can be achieved by developing good deeds.
HOLY QURAN
1. Quran says: Islam is the only true religion. The God gets upset when one “sets up partners in worship with Him” (Quran, 4:116).
2. Only those who believe in Quran can go to heaven. And there is no place than hell for Kafirs (non-believers). Allah punishes people those who worship other Gods which is described in the words….“Lâ ilâha illa Huwa” (No one should be worshiped other than Allah) (Quran, 6:102).
3. Quran describes Muslims are the only rightful people and raised for mankind (Quran, 3:110). Heaven is the ultimate goal of life and every man should try to get it in their life.
4. Quran says followers needs to fear him and if followed, he will grant reward (Quran 65.5). It also describes that every Muslim should perform 5 times prayer, go to Haj, if not, ready to face fire in hell. The book also says, “Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever.” (Quran 72.23)
5. Quran says, that Muslims must obey Allah and his guidance and anyone who intends to follow other religion will never be accepted (Quran 3.85).
NOW LETS US LOOK AT WHAT BHAGAVAT GITA SAYS…
1. Bhagavad Gita doesn’t believe in self centered attitude. The Lord says, I am in everyone’s heart as a soul. “As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity.” (Bhagavad-Gita, 7:21).
2. Gita mentions that there is only one God, but people see him in different forms (Bhagavad-Gita, 7:22).
3. The Gita says “He is a perfect yogi who, by comparison to his own self, sees the true equality of all beings, in both their happiness and their distress, O Arjuna!” (Bhagavad-Gita, 6:32). It says Karma will decide ones fate and religion, heaven and hell has no meaning in Gita.
4. Krishna says, do not fear me, do your duties and your work will protect you ever (Bhagavad Gita 18.66).
5. Krishna says, I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.(Bhagavad Gita 9.29).
6. Gita allows free thinking, All activities should be performed without attachment or expectations and as performed as duty from whole heart, That is My opinion, says Krishna (Bhagavad Gita 18.6). By saying That is my opinion, he allows free thinking and allows people to decide what is right or wrong.
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@@SinghisKing791 another stupid argument brought out by So called agnostics.. Where lacking intellect..
The fun fact is that,
Hamza is an atheist-turned muslim where as Hoodbhoy is a muslim-turned atheist😂.
Agnostic.
I imagine Hoodboy became muslim again after this debate lmao
@Vagas no he is not lmao
@Vagas Show me the link. I think he is talking about culturally being muslim but not as a belief system. Sounds stupid ino
How does anyone decide which god to worship out of thousands of gods out there?
Those debates are the worst waste of time I have ever see. All that time and saliva waste for nothing.
Tbf I watched the whole thing and Hamza Tzortis won clearly. Dr Hoodboy got angry as he could not compete
Mr Hoodhboy asks to stay within your field 😂😂and every other day this guy himself is talking about religion and politics ….so as far staying within your field is concerned Mr hoodhboy is the last person I’d expect to talk about this.
lol hypocritical
False equivalency he can read the Quran any literate person can do that but when hamzaboy was asked to einstein's field equations he made fool of himself.
@@erica8332 just like how anyone can read the hawking radiation and relativity theory lol
Yes he talks about current affairs, doesn't take a genius to do so. Hamza is out there trying to prove Allah from M theory which he doesn't know the basics about.
do you think Islam is so complicated that we need to be "in a field" to understand it? Physics, science is complicated and unlike religion, you can't understand it unless you first have basics worked out. Anyone, can study and understand religion and if they can't, you are just implying religion is stupid and is beyond a normal person's reach.
Lol the professor affraid, frustrattedd , and left off
He won the debate
@@magicpin lol he loose
@@AriftyaPrayogo yes Hamza lost
@@AriftyaPrayogo you're a slave
Lose he never answer them
I missed the part where hoodbhoy debunks anything
He debunked Hamza's style of argumentation that relies on deductions that aren't verifiable or testable but based on premises he considers rational based on his intuition.
@@Payseur He literally proves his premise and validly demonstrates it , what else do you need?
@@InshalHassan-r4s He doesn't. It's all theoretical. None of the premises have any empirical basis.
@@Payseur Do you even understand what empirical arguments mean?
Do you?
Why can't someone talk with pure logic , Rationality and validly demonstrate able things(Logical things)
That's a fallacy to demand that arguments against me should just be how I like them!
@@InshalHassan-r4s Who gets to decide what pure logic or rationality is then? Hamza? Lol. If he was able to demonstrate these things with actual tangible logic, he'd win a noble prize.
Athiets often claim to act rationally but the act of Hoodboy is highly condemnable. He hurled abuses on Hamza but the he patiently tried to reply. More logical power to #Hamza👍🏻
He called Hoodbhoy Islam hater out of nowhere.
But you blind muslims will support Hamza without logic
@@AthiestPakistani He is Islam hater. He has issue with everything that Islam says so hamza said it right. Its you atheists who blindly follows whoever speaks against Islam
@@Irfanahmadnaz he just spoke the truth...and Hamza could,'t handle the truth.
Bro I’m a muslim and hamza is an embarrassment he has tried to debate loads of scientists and keeps getting owned for the reasons stated he is scientifically ignorant and should not be engaged in this. Simple as that.
Yeah Professor made Hamzah look stupid.
Hoodbhoy hates Islam?? Hoodbhoy is doing more service to Muslim World by being a scientist and educating our civilization how to act like a civilization capable of survival in modern world. What has this Tsortsiz guy done for Muslims? The professor doesn't hate Muslims. He is frustrated to see his people acting suicidal and miserable when they have so much potential to do great intellectual things for humanity. I'm a Muslim and I'll always support the professor, not some wannabe Muslim convert who doesn't know about ground issues.
@blake bishop bad try, troll
yeah the way he ran proved he knows ground realities quite well 😂😂😂
@@WaddiaS he did a lot for Islam more than you and me for sure even if he did mistake here
Search Hamza on CZcams or even google you'll see his works and contribution to Islam... Athiest scientists respect his views and are his friends too... But you in your mom's basement wouldn't know that
@@babahadjimohamed9339Doing something for Islam like what actually?
Professor was already feed up with hamza's imaginary theory and comments and at the last hamza just came to conclusion that professor hates islam as professor was talking about religion but not only islam and people they have to understand that if you say somone that" he hates islam" by reccording video then what will happen with him. He just put his life in danger by saying professor hates islam.
Professor doesn't know anything
He is educated form a 60 year old system
oh fucking logic dude he can ans his question but he chose running while whole Pakistan know he hate muslims
we are not deaf we heard what he say every day about islam
@@sheesmustafa9522 best then your 1500 year old system
@@atheist2982 prove abiogenesis
you said prof wasn't obliged to counter hamza's argument but what? -"stay. on. topic." yet he spent his whole time making personal claims and ad hominem attacks. shame on you!
Most Muslims Are Happy In Their Lalaland After Reading That Fantasy Book Quran 😇
@@agnosticatheist4093 while you are still sad depressed in your mind😅😅
The nuclear scientist presented arguments like an uneducated man on road picked up for debate.... watch full debate
@blake bishop woww brilliant. Blake bisop amazing
Hamza's argument were complete trash and not even his supporters understand.
I challenge you to write the argument that Hamza gave. I know you will fail because Hamza blabbered nonsense.
@@AthiestPakistani I think you will not even if I do because Pakistani are not that much interested in knowledge. All you can do is just to talk about molvi to avoid your ignorance!
@@AthiestPakistani you don't understand science because you don't understand scientific conclusions made by hamza
@@MaazKhan-sv6lv Savage reply brother 🌹🤗
Can you put automatic subtitles please?
I have watched the full debate and without any baseness i can say the professors was totally caught off guard. Hoodbhoy couldn’t answer the audience and he was already frustrated. Not a single time professor could answer the question directly which was asked. In this video we can see he just wanted to end the debate by making any excuse and he got one. This is shameful Hoodbhoy should engage more in debates with people who has different point of than his to learn the ethics of debate and grow some patience.
No, Hamza got himself 100% owned because he tried to argue about physics with a physics professor and the professor called him out
Brother There Is Nothing Called GOD. Quran Bible Geeta These Are Old Meaningless Books Have Nothing To Do With Science.
@SS Bro Geeta Will Not Provide Anything Scientific Its Just A Philosophical Book Thats All
@SS Bro I Have Already Mentioned Above Its A Philosophical Book. Tell Me Anything Exceptional Out Of Geeta That Can Be Applicable To Military Still Nobody Thought Of It?
3000 Yrs Ago People Living In Egypt Built Pyramids With No Help Of Modern Equipment Is Quite Surprising, It Only Suggest Human Beings Even In That Time Were Well Capable At Engineering But That Doesn't Mean They Were Equivalent Or More Advanced Than Modern-day Engineer
Similarly In Geeta You May Found Some Words Related To War Strategy But In Modern Day Warfare Its Not Exceptional
@SS Okay Its Very Meaningful Bhakt Happy Now 😇
Hahaha profesor acting like a child 🤣
Or rather a BOY
Would have been neat if more of the debate was showed, since it pretty much feels like it was taken out of context.
This is not taken out of context. Here is the full debate. czcams.com/video/iUNPq5qn3U0/video.html The Quran is a religious text. It tells the reader the morals, stories, what to believe in and how to pray. It is not compatible with science that is what the debate was about. Hamza has made this mistake before in his debates. He is out of his league. It would make more sense if he debated other sects in Islam and other religions. His scientific knowledge is very limited.
@@attilathehun0 have you even watched the full debate? Professor did not answer to Hamza's single premises (neither logical not scientific). He only resorted to attack on Hamza's scientific knowledge and mocking muslims for their belief in Allah. Professor should have been more objective for this kind of a debate.
I believe Hoodbhoy does not stand a tiny chance against Hamza in this debate because of his lack of understanding other's argument.
@@attilathehun0 Quran has verses of science also, it precisely talks about creation of the universe.
You can google it before reaching wrong conclusion about the Quran.
@@sadamshaikh2669 I saw the whole debate some years back. Religion is about believing in the unbelievable it is not logical. Hamza did at times use scientific terms that he did not understand. He failed to prove religion is rational. Hamza lied about Hoodboy claiming he hates Muslims than he started calling him Kafir. The things going on in Hamza's brain was very Medieval.
@@sadamshaikh2669 Creation is not scientific. Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! As long as you are not too nitpicking this is basically the same as the Bible and the Ancient Sumerian Myths.
Does anyone know the mashed from the beginning
Abdomen exploding at this point from laughter….the Hamza v Krauss was probably the most entertaining religion / science debate I’ve ever seen but this one comes a close second.
Professor Hoodbhoy look arrogant and he wasn't supposed to walk out of the debate this way, even if Hamza was wrong/right. Do personal attack and calling opponent liar and shut up is ill mannered. Shame Hoodbhoy.
The Professor's response was normal considering Tzortzis' unwarranted lies and personal attacks.
@@Whoknowsuknow No lie. He was correct in stating Hoodboy kept straw-manning and deflecting. That is why he ran. He could not keep up
@Captain Kirk Nice what an intellectual reply
@Captain Kirk Says the person who is blind and can’t take their man getting their ass whooped on video.
Hooboy couldn’t keep up 😂 Why did he leave then? Lmao
Professor looks frustrated, I Guess hamza got to his nerves.
Because idiots like Hamza blinded by delusional and BS beliefs (proven factually incorrect over and over by findings in science) will get to any sane man's nerves.
Just accept the fact hoodboy ran away from debate after knowing he’s defeated good
That was not the an exam ablut field equations that was just asked to assert some left dominance.
It was a test of tolerance to watch Hamza. He speaks like he left something on stove. Perhaps, he uses the strategy, when you can't explain it, confuse people about it. His speech was so boring like a chemistry teacher who just speaks to himself. It was more of a cricket commentry than a speech by Hamza. So incoherent.
He never even took this discussion with the professor serious and respectful.
People like him just learn the script, which include some cultural jokes and mixing so many irrelevant theories and data to make the audience think perhaps they never heard of it, it must be true.
Hoodby is a genious and I do not even think Hamza has the tiniest caliber to argue with Professor Pervaiz Hoodboy.
Hamza absolutely destroyed Hoodboy and the Professor just used anything as a reason to leave
The very opening of Professor was "get up and right this equation". I think he needed some more treatment for his arrogant behaviour.
@@zccau2316 Hamza was clearly out of his depth!
@@SM-sc5ku then why did panjeet walk out then lmao?
@@zccau2316 how he destoryed hoodboy🤣🤣🤣.
he even cant write equation of expanding universe.
Fun fact : Years later Hamza Tzortzis finally came to his senses and now he doesn't parrot science from the Quran anymore
Because science is limited
@@user-nx5be4sw6w What about Quran
@@momin1491 Whats limited about the Quran ?
Fun fact if you would have watched the debate he clarified it . Simple Qur'an is a book for Guidance and yes it does contain scientific miracle but answers the existential questions
@@MuhammadHassan200 scientific miracles. spliting the moon, sperm coming out of ribs.
Hoodbhoy is such a cartoon. No depth only bells and whistles.
Sadly whenever someone grows beard, their mind stops.
When you can't talk back and are being crushed by a Philosopher:
That's right 👍 watch Javed Ahmed ghamdi Vs prof hood boy ghamdi knoked him out Hamza also do that
Hahahaha.
Professor escaped the debate because he couldn't answer the questions. Hahahhaa.
Hahahaha you pseudo Science
@@michaeljordan-lm1ie yes hoodbhoy is pseudo scientist.
@@salahsabri2925 What proof do you have?
Professor escaped the debate and couldn't respond to the arguments of Hamza. That is the biggest proof.
@@salahsabri2925 Hamza failed to write M theory on board and you are calling hood boy pseudoscience. The debate ended when he called him a liar without any proof ...watch it again Sir
Madrasa Hamza stumped out by M theory alone, Prof didn’t even need to be there 😂
Hoodbhoy is not good at debating, he can only cry like a child without providing any counter-argument.
Why is Hoodbhoy being arrogant because his field is science? Hamza can boast about philosophy too but he didn't. I'm a Pakistani but Hamza will fuck up Hoodbhoy if he debates again. Now that Hamza is more equipped with Philosophy and other subjects. It's like asking Stephen Hawking to explain Darwinian Evolution or expecting Charles Darwin to explain Quantum Mechanics.
Bro we need more Pakistanis understanding the views of Hamza Tzortis and the classical view of Islam and science out there (which was never about pseudo science) so please do so
Not arrogant at all. This is what us scientists have always found frustrating tbh. Laymen with zero clue about scientific concepts will boldly relate them to religion. When you know zilch about the concepts, how can you mention them in the context of religion??
Why did hoodboy got frustrated 😁😁😁😂😂
Critical debate about Islam is injurious to life in Pakistan
Hamaza is a kid and Dr. is just treating him as a teenager.
Thats why he ran
Lol hoodboy had no answer just telling Hamza you know nothing about big bang this theory that theory running away
I'm a Pakistani Muslim and I'm a big fan of hoodbhoy but the pervez hoodhbouy I've seen on tv is a very calm and collected person don't know what got to him during this debate 🤠
Hamza won the debate but I can understand the reaction of Hoodbhoy, In pakistan Blasphemy is a crime so Hamza kind of put this guys life in danger there.
This Hamza fella is the embodiment of Bertrand Russell's dictum that the problem with the world is that stupid people are so confident but smart people so full of doubt
So he is an embodiment of the smart one or the stupid one?
@@edwardtimothy3581 ha! Good point. I'll let you decide
@@edwardjones2202 ah cmon
I would not call any of the guys dumb or stupid.
"the problem with the world is that stupid people are so confident but smart people so full of doubt"
- The Dunning Kruger effect.
You can be good, great, best Physicist, biologist, doctor, sportman, politician, Theist, theologian but you can only be Athiest. Because athiest doesn't do anything but to create confusion and even kid in kindergarten can do that. Just ask as many question as you could and you are welcome to become athiest.
Lol really islam also too but we doing this earlier than you
What?
Lol.
That’s what fairy tale followers do.
Not atheists.
Look at your true Muslim wife cheater hamza
At least they don't believe in a sky daddy to make them feel better
@@mohsinejaz6011 better than being drug addict, drowned in depression and hopelessness.
You could try me! I don’t know 🤣
This is what happens when you try to argue with a teacher in Pakistan.
He just cried and run away 😭
He caught Hamza lying and making stuff up. At the point he realized he was wasting his time.
Only person who cries on camera is Hamza 😂
Hoodboy was absolutely right.
Description mai kaha hai link?
Hamza is lame & ignorant he does such things to everyone he debstes.
OMG ..... Prof. still living in that society. ??!!
That shows there is nothing wrong in the society.
+Asad Ali .... oh is it really. ? Thats nice to hear. 😂😂😂😂
+Gautam Ghosh ------- good ------- I know Pakistan is a butt pain for India. Enjoy it of you can't help it.
gautam,if you can live with modi ,a terrorist killer and extremists hindus who even can,t tolerate a movie like padmavati ,then ,yes,hoodbhoy can live in pakistan ,which is for better from india and west ,even pakistan is more librel than west in some matters ,like freedom of expression, even you can use any language on media against govt and pthers.which is i think even not aliowed in america,it example is hassan nisar,who some time use abusive language against rulers ,mullas and others.
OMG your name is still Gautam?????!!!!
n the brain in the box prof asked to write someone’s equation ...wth
enough of these psedosceintists losing arguments and backing them with personal attacks :(
😂😂😂😂
You're a chutiya
When Muslims accuse others of hate, you can’t help but laugh. Hamza is a clown.
Sir would u pls read about Islam first ??
How wise of the uploader to leave a link to Hoodbhoy's response and not to the actual debate where Hoodbhoy couldn't answer a single argument raised by Humza.
I think hoodbhoy did very well but personally I think debates are useless
And what did the dumb fuck Hamzah asked?
I think the professor has done boxing......
3:30 Hamza resorts to ad hominen attack on the professor.
Whenever you do that in a debate, you have lost that debate. No question about it.
Professor couldn't respond about any narrative built by his theology rather reminding Hamza it's not your field so professor at least correct him where he goes wrong, once argument ends egoistic approach establish as we can see by professor!
The argument ends when Hamza starts saying that his opponent hates Muslims.
I m Pakistani following almost every public figure, he was truth by saying He hates muslim who glorify Islam because he's active secular person
Raheel Khan you are just another dumbfuck Pathan who will support any donkeys as long as he spoke in favor of ridiculous Quran
Holy Quran is the criteria and the truth, whoever against it they're sub men, especially those who doesn't read it even once but barking against it like a dog or worst than that!
Raheel Khan Reading the Quran is what made me anti-Islam. It goes way beyond not liking this religion. I consider Islam to be a serious threat to civilization and an enormous obstacle to world peace. Even if the only bad thing about Islam were its digusting apostasy law, that alone would still disqualify the religion in its entirety. Unfortunately, that's only one of a plethora of massive problems.
The Quran on women's right? "Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. " - quran.com/4/11 "
if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her" - quran.com/2/282 "
due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]." - quran.com/2/228 "
if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" - quran.com/5/6
These lines have done incredible damage to the potential of women in Muslim majority countries. People who value 'following the command' of an imaginary, highly capricious and deeply immoral deity more than actually contributing to the advancement of our species are a threat to civilization. The absolutely backward teachings of Islam have the property that they hold back the potential of civilizations that they infest. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would choose to follow this demented garbage.
Ok, so this is how he 'debunked' Hamza:
Called him a illiterate and titled himself to be the knowing simply because Hamza is not a student of science, whereas Hamza uses Philosophy as a base to his arguments while REFERENCING scientific facts. So basically Professor debunked himself
If you do not know much about science you should not refrence to it in big philosophical questions. So yes, Hamza was really debunked. He uses old philosophical arguments and wrap them in as they were something new. Philosophy has not kept up with science after the enlightment. This does of cource not mean that philosophy is useless, but it must be based on modern science to be valid. This is were Hamza fails.
tjoooda first off, philosophy is not supposed to keep up with science as they both are different studies, science deals basically with materials and how they came to be whereas philosophy gives you an intellectual thinking base, basically on how you should think, so science can not outdate philosophy and they do not correlate.
You really think that? Tell me briefly (or in dept if you have time) about how you think the history of philosophy developed from the Greeks to the Arabs and from the Arabs to the Europeans. Then you do the same think about science. Further you should know that science is not basically about materials. Science is also about humans are thinking, how they should think and so forth. It is called psychology. Modern psychology is again based on medischine, which is based on biology witch is based on chemestry and finally based on physics. It is all connected. That is why philosophy without science is meaningless.
tjoooda I may be illiterate but even I realize the major difference between psychology and philosophy, psychology deals with how human thinks where as philosophy gives the fundamentals on how a human SHOULD think, what's right and wrong, the basic moral values etc, where as psychology, more or less, based on a repititive pattern determines what a human would do and how would it react in a certain situation. For instance, would a father stab his baby or would he not? According to psychology, it wouldnt as the baby contains his dna and is supposed to carry his genes etc, but imo, he may or may not do it based on his own understanding of what's beneficial for the situation. But then again I am an illiterate and might just be shooting blanks based on my own compact understandings so pardon me.
I think you have a too rigid and narrow view at the terms philosophy, science, moral, and psychology. Lets first check some common explainations of the first three mentioned.
Philosophy: "A love or pursuit of wisdom. A search for the underlying causes and principles of reality."
Science: "The study of natural phenomena by observation, measurement, and experimentation."
Moral: "Standards of conduct that distinguish right from wrong."
Lets compare philosophy and science first. The only thing that really differ these two terms are the measurment and experimentation. They are both in science but not in philosophy. This is because ancient philosophiers thought (and some living today also) ment that you could just observe and THINK yourselves to the truth. In science however, we need experimentations and measurements also. And that is just the basic... scientific methods are far more andvanced than that (beyond the scope of this post to describe further of that). So, if a modern philosopher shall THINK him- or herself to a truth, it must be done true science. And even then philosopher cannot come any closer than a probability (unless it is at scientific disepline as mathematics or physics).
But what about moral? As we can see, it is just a small part of philosophy and even a smaller part of science. Becuase moral is not universal, it is just as it varies between different societies and even diffrent individuals.
And finally psychology: "The science dealing with the study of mental processes and behavior in man and animals."
Mental processes and behvoir encompasses of cource also moral, because as soon as you try to figure out what is right and what is wrong you are using your brain and you are also affected by the society arounds you. And then we are into a major scientific term called antropology: "The science devoted to the comparative study of man."
It might be tempting to separate diffrent terms but they are all connected and overlap with each other in varoius ways. You just have to study each term hard enough and you will get a nice overview.
dare u guys to watch the full video,this cut and paste bullshit isn't going to work.
To dear hoodhbhoy sir.. May be there is a better way you could find to attract them to study physics instead of scolding them... Only you can do it. You can show them how beautiful physics is.. How amazingly this Nature works 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Ohh shit.. Is that a physics class? Sorry sir.. You can scold them now
professor gone mad....
Mohd Shariq Khan stupid Pathan like you can never see the real knowledge except for your stupid Quran
+Great Warrior .now you are going crazy....
Mohd Shariq Khan crazy is something that a norm in muslims after they read the he stupid Quran
Still not mad as Muhammad the pedophile and dumb fuck hamza.
@@greatwarrior4795 such an angry person. I smell an indian
Hamza: "is this an academic way to have an academic discussion?"
Also Hamza forgetting that he falsely accused the professor of hating the muslims world when they're debating in Pakistan, one of the most Islamist countries in the world and the smallest penalty of criticizing Islam is excommunication.
Hamza is typical, the guy who uses philosophical arguments which are all based on personal assumptions. Yes, I've watched the debate, and to be honest, Hamza's argument is like the famous Kalam way of thinking. The professor was trying to dissociate science from social and religious ideologies, but Hamza, neglecting different ways of interpreting the Koran, had only tried to reshape verses into what suited him.
As if you're in the position to talk about exegesis and interpreting in a xyz way.
Laughworthy comment
@@diefaust4252 it's called an opinion... something muslims don't understand
@@PotatoTomatoPotatoTomato opinions shouldn't be based on ignorance.
Something ignorant people don't understand. ☺️
@@diefaust4252 you can't just throw words like ignorant without explaining, but again...I respect your opinion
@@diefaust4252 btw...why do you think I am not in a position to talk about Quran interpretation or verses? You have no idea if I am a muslim, or not, or if I study the Quran. Anyways, cheers
hoodboy behaved foolishly - childish. He has been fooling the pakistanis with hypocracy - game over.
Was it a science class or the class of Islamic studies? This was hell of ignorance.
After not being able to answer even a single logic put forth by Hamza, he was just ridiculously angry over his failure and, then, shows up his infuriating and childish behavior.
Watch the full debate and you'll know why he was so frustrated that even a slight comment provided him with a chance of leaving the debate.
Hahaha...Tyical ignorant!!
I bet YOU don't even understand whatever Hamza blabbers but still support him assuming that he makes sense.
Even Hamza doesn't know what nonsense he is babbling.
Everyone can understand what Prof. is saying.
@@AthiestPakistani Sir.. 🙄
I've mastered Forensic chemistry brother and need not to ask anyone who makes sense and who else does not!
Pretty well aware of rationality and science..
Ignorance has already been manifested by you by showing up your prejudices even without knowing someone else! You are in a hoax of following the rationality and science! Ask scientists if you want! :)
@@AthiestPakistani Prof. Hoodboy and his students should show some patience to manifest that they know the very basics of ethics of debate..
@@AthiestPakistani you are the who is ignorant. Hamza made two arguments linguistic miracle of the quran and cosmological argument for existence of God. Hoodbhoy strawmaned the first one and dodged another. That shows hoodbhoy is a pathetic idiot who does not know what he is talking about
@@AssadAli7 your license to practice forensics should be revoked because you believe in a Fraudulent Mohammed, whether you believe god is no problem but believing in the Quran or Bible is the most anti forensic science shit I have ever heard. Glad you aren’t ever going to make it far in scientific study.
Accusing someone hateful towards a religious community ...is that logical, rational, intellectual??!!...well done professor
Coward ran away, because he knew he couldn't face challenging debate... Lolxx😂
There is like 10 ad hominem in his 2 minutes rant.
you call it debunking... now shame on you. the man doesn't even know how to behave rationally!
How rude.. And how calm Hamza is the pro. Called him liar and keeps on saying shame but Hamzaa didn't say a word. Keep it up Hamza💕
+Great Warrior lol I don't want to get into argument.. And we aren't blind we've eyes and we can see who's talking like an idiot.. Actually the fact is that this professor don't have any answer and that's y he kept on shouting at Hamza..😂
+Great Warrior u must check it out..😊
Siraj RockXsz continue licking the Islamist ass and contribute to the failure of Pakistan
Siraj RockXsz-- do u even know what it takes to become a Professor ? i bet u are one of those road side Kebab Bun vendor !
Because prof don't have time much to waste on the stupid topic of religion when a other person is stupid.
This Greek is a nutter. I'm sorry but a Muslim must never be emotional like that in public. Pathetic.
So According To. Atheists . Being Rude And Disrespecting Anyone Is Refutation . 👏👏👏
Btw , Why Prof Is Talking About Islam . Even He Don't Know The Basics Of It ??
Exactly this show his double standard and hypocrisy.
This professor continuously talk on Islam and Islamic history without knowing arabic.
He called Hamza an ignorant if science but itself get offended and use the bad words for the guest.
Shame on professor hoodboy
Its obvious the hood prof got personal and didnt answer any arguments on the philosophy side. Hamza never claims to be a scientist and always emphasises that his arguments are philosophical. With all due respect the prof can hardly string two English sentences together without making a grammatical mistake hes purely a mathematical reader and has nothing to do with argumentative methods used in such debates.
Hood boy acting like a child 😂
Love u hamza
i think hoodbhoy drunk
This Video should be removed from the youtube.... such a bullshit video..... This guy want only to be popular... he does not possess such balls to stand in-front of such a great intellect and mentor like Parvez Hoodbhoy
Hamza is hated by all atheistic intellectuals. Lol
I think hood bye lost the argument. As a academic he should reply with logic
When prof Hoodbhoy visits India, students surround him eager to hear his thoughts on science. And he has to deal withy these idiots at home. Not even 10 good people in audience.
Same applies on you, can you write Quranic verses and explain to us everything about it ? Are you not reading popular books ?
I would also like to refer the pseudo professor to a book by Dr. Maurice Bukhail names Book of Signs. He is a French doctor much more credible than Hoodbhoy.
What makes it pseudoscience if things in the Quran or corresponding with available scientific data than a suggestion would be made that something remarkable is going there or at the very least it’s worth investigating.
Hahaha,
Maurice bucaile is not a pseudo scientists.
The level Islam destroy brain cells of human is beyond anything else.
At athe end, u fall a bastard as a holy role model.
Don’t u?
@@speedtest8166 So you’re saying if the Quran makes claims about nature and these claims were investigated by Dr Maurice Bukhail and he found those claims to be relatively true you’re saying the doctor should’ve avoided that, you’re the type of person when showing evidence would reject it just out of arrogance.
@@Tarz2155 bc it's either u simplified the science to match ur Qur'an, or u change the interpretation of the Qur'an to match the science
@@Tarz2155 what type of evidence tho? All the muMmy has salt in their body for preservation. so it's bad to assume the one he investigate is the had been drowned and get restored
only haters are commenting here against hamza the man who ran off is not being blamed for retreat just watch the full debate so u wud understand hamza is absolutely right.
I am sorry but the person who leaves the room like a toddler after also having a tantrum like a toddler s never the one who "debunked" or "won" the argument
I think this professor does hate religion and islam. He does not have any counter agruments.
This is simply ad hominem against Hamza.
Hamza "You hate me" 😭
Hamza tzortiz needs to learn from sheikh ahmed deedat he shouldve said ive made a claim you gave your defense let the people judge soemthinf sheikh ahmed deedat said in a similar situation
kids arguing to professor after reading 2 books
Hamza is a completely nincompoop and Professor should not be having this dialogue in the first place! Hamza has explained nothing but pseudoscience 👎
Wow religion has no place in the world going on a book one book
Hamza is a guy that says words without meaning. He just says fancy words without actually giving context or even worse defining. He is a good presenter of empty words
Words are parts of speech and speeches are parts of the Omnipotent God's creation. Why don't you try to have proneness for real and fruitful parameters?!!
@@roadstojannat7512 empty words, I am sorry I find no meaning in anything you say.
@@Johnvardas which portion may I / should I clarify or expound for u Mr.?!!
Actually Hamza is a very smart guy, I don’t know why you think he’s some idiot… he’s actually very intelligent.
It is not necessary that they should know everything about a theory.
Because this is not a debate from a science point of view
¤ did our universe always exist ?
The Big Bang Theory gives the answer...
to counter a view
Final Conclusion is Important for a Debate
Pakistan ke liye ye banda harvard chor ke aaya par yaha ki jahalat itni zyada hai ki ye bhi annoy ho gya....
It is "IMPOSSIBLE" to be religious and rational. Science is founded on the conviction that experience, effort and reason are valid. Magic on the belief that hope cannot fail and desire cannot deceive.
Can you say same thing for all religion including your own?
+jessie_fun yes. I don't believe in religion. it has nothing for me.
Religion does not conflict science.
+Asad Ali explain your position please
He just proved your point, can't be rational and religious. Gg.
Lol, Hamza is taking about scientific theory Infront of you a scientist
and a scientist is talking about religion when he never read any of the religious texts. At least Hamza is aware of the scientific arguments that he makes. A scientist who involves himself in a specialization that he doesn't understand is just as ignorant as anybody else. Doesn't change anything.
@@stormrage3708 Scientific theories have have been proven and are solid, any solid proof of Allah? No? I thought so 😂
@@SM-sc5ku Did science disprove the existence of Allah? (cricket noises). I thought so.
@@stormrage3708 It's like asking has science prooved the existence of a pink flying donkey, or father Christmas or Spider-Man 😂
@@SM-sc5ku He can't prove it and that's why he lost his patience and got mad. Lashing out is a form of defeat. He also accused him of lying and left in rage. at least Lawrence Kraus didn't rage like that when he couldn't disprove Allah's existence.
His arrogance prevailed in the end and stormed out of the class yelling insults at Hamza. Classic loser attitude
@Khan Khan well, you wouldn't say that to me in real life, you would just cry.
I proud that I hate yahood bhoy
As muslims we should not hate anyone. He was just out of his league simple as that
If a person listen this debeate neutraly then It will say pervez hoodboy is genuis and hamza is emotional fool. The logic and the facts that hoodboy used was excellent.
Watch the full debate and not a short clip and you shall see who is really an “emotional fool”
I watched full debate twice.
Hamza told the truth he hate Islam recently he was crying over a pic hijabi girl in school books Pakistan
Hamza should have asked him to write down a verse in arabic as it was challenged by Quran...with all it's meaning.. context..rhythm ..and purpose...
And if Hoodhboy can't then he should also shut his mouth about Islam as he is asking Hamza about science...
But the quran claims that it's been sent in arabic so that it's easy for people to understand. Cosmology and physics don't make that claim.
@@MK-dx8mt The Quran states that Arabic was the best language to use due to it being an oral language, not a written one. Again the Quran is not a book of science but a guideline for life. People keep conflating
@@zccau2316 please quote the verse that says what you just asserted.
@@MK-dx8mt Lmao just google it your self but as I feel like being nice I will do it for you: Quran 12:2
"Alif Lām Rā. These are verses of the enlightening Book.
We have sent it down, as an Arabic Qur’an, so that you may understand"
@@zccau2316 thanks. Now go back to your first reply, and read the first three lines. Then compare your statement with the quote you've googled for me. Also compare it to mine and see who's more accurate?
Where does it say in that verse that "arabic was the best language to use due to it being an oral language, not a written one" ? And you wrote, "the quran states that"
Where?
I only see one running and get angry 😂 so who win ?
Why Mr hood is so frustrated?
The Professor schooled the little Ham boy. Hamza uses new space age and buzzwords. Watch him being destroyed when he goes on the magic sandwich show. He actually admits that the Koran is a book of signs not science.
eeeh? the quran is a book of signs and not science Hamza doesnt need to admit it, it is a fact lol., it is not like we muslims go around and say that it is a book of science and therefore you should believe in god. bro you live in the stone age, not once have we muslim said that it is a book of science although it contains some scientific evidences and topics.
walli walli Errr. A lot of Muslims did go around trying to prove their pseudo ‘scientific’ evidences. All have been refuted and debunked. Mohammad never brought anything new that wasn’t already in the Bible or torah. Quran is nothing special. A very simple book narrated by a Seventh century man.
bro, again what are you talking about. first of all the quran is not like the bible or the torah, the bible has a lot of contradictions and it has been changed and reformed many times such as the torah. the quran is special because it hasnt been changed since it first became revealed and that is a certain fact which has many proofs. second of all the quran do contain scientific evidences such as the earth is round, the moon borrowing light. the orbit system etc. but we muslims dont use it as an argument because there has been greek philosophers and many others before the quran that had these views about science, our belief is not primarily based on the science in the quran, it is based on simply believing on the message that there is no god worthy worshipping except Allah and that the quran is Allahs speech. i dont see how the professor schooled "the little ham boy" have you even seen the whole debate?
walli walli oh I saw the debate. But the scientific part I was referring to was from the Magic sandwich show which I clearly mentioned earlier. And preserving a book does not make it special. And there is nothing special about the Koran. It starts stories and never finishes. It’s full of errors. It has NO proofs of anything. It is a simple book made by a 7th century man. And like you said. It is about belief. Not proofs.
Your hoodbhoy did nothing positive. LOL. he destoryed the very foundation of Athiesm by saying science has nothing to do with "why" question. hahaha. Very bad experience.
🤣🤣🤣 inshort he couldn't answer hamza tzortiz
While the people are here to listen but hoodboy loses temper and that makes him analyst not scientist....
I will give 0/10 to his rationality😀😀
The professor didn't have to leave lol.. He walked out in frustration.
What a waste of time watching this dumb video.