Dropped a fuel tank | Crank No Start! Saturn SL
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Must be an unwritten rule that fuel pumps will only fail when the tank is full
Funny enough, when mine was going bad, it only acted up at half tank or below.
Yep, true story. An when u need 2 test drive something 2 diagnose a fault, car has no fuel..🥴
most likely the fuel level was low and it thermal shocked the pump (since the fuel is cold)
Lol I was gonna say fuel pump always goes right after you fill the tank up
indeed it happened to me as well!
Living in the Midwest, I think the thing I enjoy most about this channel is all the basically rust free cars haha...
I hate it because it makes what I spend so much time doing look easier than it is lol. I'm blatantly, unabashedly jealous of how easy jobs are when the car has an innate desire to stay in one piece when you torque something inside of it.
Same up here in Canada
I live in Pennsylvania and none of my cars ever had any rust.
@@scottr3484 That's what happens when you don't live in reality.
Agreed I live in Minnesota all nuts and bolts are rusted nothing comes apart easily I think that’s why I enjoy watching this channel satisfying watching stuff come apart
Blows me away seeing these older vehicles you get to work on that have no rust. I forget that there are places in this country where road salt does not exist.
Ray: "I don't have clearance, I will make clearance."
Me: "Is it possible to learn this power?"
Not... from a dealership.
That's true that pal I'd love to learn that power so I can stop cutting my hands up every day I know its part of the job getting cut and I'm 30 years in now but it would still be nice to go easy on the money makers
You must capture the force
Young Raymond you must use the force
Next video. Angry customer states “Some of my fuel is missing!”
11:27 Sweet! You created An 18 gallon Molotov cocktail!
I know this is old, but I had to comment. This was an an excellent job on this video. Audio and video was chrystal clear and concise. Instruction was unhurried and easy to follow. Commentary was professional sprinkled with a dose of humor here and there. I've been trying to locate the source of a fuel leak coming from one of the fuel lines on my daughter's Saturn L200 and this video was instrumental in helping me to visualize what's on top of fuel tank. Great post.
Did this on my 94 Ciera, on a nice cold winter day. New fuel pump, new fuel sending unit and fuel filter. That was 7 years ago. Had to drive rear wheels up on car ramps. Made for a nice day off project and was a success. I had the same adventures with the fuel leaking as this one is doing. I didn’t drain my tank either. Straps on the reinstall were rough too. Thanks for sharing.
Always impressed how fuel filters of that era were often made of polished stainless steel and look like something from the space station, while the rest of the car was rusting away.
I've had 3 Saturn 5 spds, an SL, an SL1 and an SW2, I live in NH ,and none of them rotted away....if you maintain your car and truck and wash it at a car wash. And do an underbody wash... they don't rot away usually....
Stainless steel is great as long as you're not machining it sometimes it gets hard as a rock and other times them little splinters you think you don't like oil on your hands Ray you would not like them little stainless splinters they will bite you bye
When it comes to mess with a fuel tank , its always full to max ... When it rains .. It pours . Great video Ray 👌
My family has always had major car problems right after filling the tank, if it was going to have problems. So far, my tank is usually at half or less when I have had car problems.
When it rains .. It pours, _gas!_
@@NemoConsequentae 😂😂😂😂😂👌
even more fun and overalls smelling terrible if its diesel
Good, work, Ray! One thing, unless you strap a fuel tank to a jack, never work on a full gas tank unsupported on a jack. It's too easy for the tank to get away from you, the fuel weight momentum will cause it to fall off.
I love watching others work on things I've done many many times. It's fun to watch others struggle lol.
My favorite part of the morning is drinking coffee and watching Ray's newest video.
No wonder it died. He’s a Miami fan. Lol
Yeah, it's pretty slow around here as well.😉
YAAYYY we finally got to meet Peter! I love that you have kinda taken the kid under your wing Ray. I'm a firm believer in passing on knowledge to anyone that cares to learn, particularly those just starting out. iIn my almost 38 years as a master carpenter/builder and a better-than-most backyard mechanic I couldn't tell you how many folks I've gone out of my way, and tested my patience, to teach what i know. You're a great man Ray, and I admire you immensely.
PeTAH
His name is Peetah!
A tip from an old mechanic ....invest in a couple of sizes of fernco rubber caps W/ hose clamp to cap off the filler neck ....works great !
😂😂 my 6 year old granddaughter loves it when click, she runs around with my tools making sure everything is tight. She happy when she clicks and goes onto something else.😂😂
Ray, you had many of us holding our breath with that fuel tank praying for it not to slip off. Great work as usual! 👍🏻
I was praying that it did slip off
@@tomgreen4520 that's not nice, why would you do that? Ray is an awesome guy.
@@tomgreen4520 that's not nice, why would you do that? Ray is an awesome guy.
@@tomgreen4520 LOL
Pro Tip: The jack has holes in it so you can run a couple of large screws up in to the tank to hold it in place. Also aids in draining the tank.
WARNING: Never ever use a brushed motor electric power ratchet or impact wrench when working with raw gas or near gasoline fumes. The arcing brushes can easily ignite the fuel, and burn your whole shop down. Brush-less motor powered tools, do not arc when running.
I was thinking the same thing.
@@samuelriemer5720 All I can say is "Baa Boom"!!!!!
No DUH
Brushless tools can also arc while running, but it's much less likely. The safest option is to not run anything until the fuel leak has been taken care of...
Also, the doo de doo de doo of the phone can cause a spark and burn the shop down.
I have a 1998 Saturn SL base model which runs great but does not start on a slight uphill after sitting overnight… it's a five speed, so I roll it backwards in reverse to Roll start it which works every time, Runs great the rest of the day… I came here and found what I believe is the answer and I appreciate it… Now I just have to find a good mechanic like yourself to replace the sending unit and the filter for a decent price… This video helped me out tremendously thank you… Bought the car last year 98,000 miles and I have 114,000 on it today 2022
This made me nostalgic for my Saturn SL. The strut tower mounts rusted out, one dropping the front corner about five inches when it failed as I pulled into a parking lot.
When the mechanic took a look at repairability, they found a lot more subframe rust than the car was worth.
Hey Ray. Love your content. I always remove the filler neck from the tank then siphon the gas out into a gas can. Makes for a safer/cleaner work area. The tanks are always full...darn it!
I knew some guys in New York in midnight Auto five finger discount with a siphon the tank for free hey I'm just joking guys
If I'm not mistaken, Saturn's have an anti-siphon mechanism in the fuel filler entrance of the fuel tank
😂😂 Why didn't I think of that?
@0:32 You meant to say "3-door 2001 Saturn SC1." 🙂 This car looks super clean for it's age. Those older Saturn S-Series were great cars. They don't quit unless you run them out of oil or the chassis rusts to pieces. I've owned 5 Saturns (3 SC2s, 2 Ions), and they were all great cars. I miss Saturn. :(
1994 Saturn SL2 was the best car ever made.
I had a 2004 Vue I got from my mother when she passed. It had 74k miles on it. Ex rear ended someone in it, we fixed it. Before our divorce, I signed it over to her. Through the years, she put 200k more miles on it, gave it to her daughter, and she totalled it a week later.
I would love another Vue, but all the ones I see for sale are ragged out beyond recognition.
i got an sw2 with 208k on it right now and a vue 2.2 with 87k
I still refuse to buy GM because of the death of Saturn. I miss my 02 SC2 that got rear-ended and I swear I had an identical 99 SC1 to the one in the vid.
This made me miss my 95 Sl2 5spd. First car I bought with my own money. Had it 18 years, put 265k on it. Gave it to my daughter. She totalled it within 6 weeks.
Am I the only one whos jaw dropped at how clean that supposed to be extinct car is? lol
Super phone action and clicks. Man, getting gas all over oneself is a bummer. Keep them coming, seeing you work on cars I can appreciate my mechanic even more now
Please keep making more content! I enjoy seeing you working through the entire process. And including the need to revisit the problem again. Never give up! Never surrender!
Recently found your videos and I can't stop watching, even though I know next to nothing about cars. I'm a gunsmith and my boss came into my lab to ask me what was going on because I keep saying click now when I get a screw good and tight. He thinks I'm a nutter, lol.
LOL, I find myself predicting the "click" while watching Ray's videos. My wife thinks I'm a nutter as I watch with headphones on and will call out "click", apparently randomly. Hoping Rainman Ray will come up with some "click" merch on his Spreadshop storefront!
i had to laugh- waaaaay back in '69-'71 i took 2 years of body shop in high school.
mr. hunter was, to me, an outstanding instructor. 'good enough' was NOT good enough.
he taught me pride of workmanship and that has held me in good stead through the
years, if only for my self-respect.
i haven't worked in a commercial body shop, but i still have an assessing eye and can
see (or not see) good workmanship.
we used to put covers on the tires, and paper aprons along the bottom edges to prevent
overspray.
I just realized I might have a bit of a problem. Got my coffee, sat down to take a break and get my daily Ray and what is this? No video? But? What am I supposed to do now? Then almost like like a gift from the CZcams God's, about 2 minutes later, bam, video. Thanks, Ray!
Ray, you know as well as I do, draining 2 or 3 gallons of gas would have been simple once you removed the filler neck from the tank. I’ve had some so full they had to be drained prior to beginning the tank removal process. Sometimes it’s much safer to pump or siphon out the gas instead of taking a chance on have a big fire and no marshmallows to roast. lol
@Don Bearden You know there is an anti-syphen ball in the tank. Or maybe be you did not know that.
@@ducewags once the filler neck is removed like this it can be siphoned.
Ray, I think you'd be fun as hell to hang with. You do pretty much the same weird crap I do. Keep having fun and thanks for taking the time to do these. I get done wrenching or doing the service writer thing, it's refreshing as hell to come home and watch another guy work lol.
Ray, you forget one vital thing!
You forgot to ask the viewers, in exchange for the free content, to scroll down and tappy tap that thumbs up button, to let you, and CZcams know you did a good job. Because if CZcams thinks that you're doing a good job, they are far more likely to recommend your content to other pottential viewers. And that is good for you, and especially good for them!
Yes i did so many tank drops sucks with a full tank of gas so i had to siphon gas out first and one time i swallowed a mouth full of gas i burped gas fumes for a week not fun glad them days are done i love watching rainman work 👍
I use nut drivers on screw clamps. Almost always less frustrating.
2001… life in salt free zone.
I had a little Saturn just like that but silver and I have to admit I loved that little car. I ended up giving it to my brother in-law when he got released from prison who totally f'd it off and then proceeded to blame me for giving him a 'hunk of junk'. No good deed goes un punished. WHEN he goes back to prison it will be for a long time and he won't get a crumb from me. I miss my little Saturn should have just kept it in my shop. :)
I have been binge watching and clicking 'like' on all your video's Ray.......I gotta say I really enjoy watching your vid's and listening to your comical banter.....I went back 6 years and you were not very chatty at first. I also think I speak for all Canadians, we now consider you an honorary Canadian due to how many times you apologize when you get in our way while trying to watch.....and also for your friendly video opening's and closing's.......in closing I must remind myself to remind you to have a great day.....be well sir, Paul.
Man this Saturn looks great still well taken care of
Back then, Saturns were built very well. Later models were a nightmare. No surprise the cord was pulled.
i knew European cars have at least one advantage. All have the gas Tank accessible from the inside. 5 min job to change the pump
no such thing as a five minute job,,,,,PERIOD
@@tomstiel7576 Oh there sure is! Dial 1-800-Classy, cash only.
Oh man just seeing the car brings back so many memories of the Saturn I rode in as a kid. It had a manual transmission and manual windows and I loved it. It sends shivers down my back damn. I’m thinking of buying one someday just for nostalgia
in a show of fearlessness, the rare and dangerous Saturn SL1 makes it appearance in the wild, the last of it's kind, recently added to the endangered species list.
It’s so rare that it’s not even an SL1. SLs are always 4 door sedans. 2/3 doors are SC coupes.
Not saying the fuel pump did not need replacement (especially since the send unit was bad and an intregal component) that said since there was some pressure measured it is a safe bet only the filter needed replacement as usually when a fuel pump goes bad there is no pressure (all or nothing)! I would at least have checked that first!
I see weak fuel pumps all the time, i don't know what you're going on about. Also a clogged filter usually feels heavy to an experienced technician, many guys will blow thru them to verify they aren't clogged whilst removing them
I'm envious of you southern folks, to be able to do that without also replacing fuel lines and brake lines must be a treat. Also, think about using a brass chisel/hammer when removing those lock rings, you don't consider it until you're getting skin grafts. I've seen it first hand and it's horrifying Ray, just consider it please!
Agreed, and avoid brushed power tools while there's fule vapour loose too.
This makes me so glad my pump and things can be reached by taking out the rear seat.
I have changed 6 fuel pumps in my life. Two of my vehicles thank God, was on a nissan. Just remove the back seat, and metal plate. That day, I felt spechial 🤣. And yes ,the other 4 were 3/4 to full. I empty Empty And cleaned out the tanks. Which is a PITA.
Love your content brother. My heart goes out to all mechanics. I could not do what yall do on a daily basis! The sheer aggravation of constant model changes and customers, hell to the no. I don't have that kind of patience for that!
Since you were getting 9psi of pressure form the old pump, you could have bypassed the fuel pump relay to get the pump to run and then empty it out using your fuel pressure tester. That would probably take 15-20 minutes, but would make the job a lot cleaner and easier to handle an empty pump.
Boris why make it so complicated??? the easiest way to empty the fuel system is by removing the fuse for the fuel pump. and run the car. it will suck all the fuel from the filter and make the car run for less then 1sec. after that it's empty. and you don't get a mess ^^ simple af.
@@NotDiiZE He's referring to draining the tank completely before removing from the car. That way you don't get gas spilled all over you and have a fire hazard.
I would not deal with a fuel tank that full myself but you got thru it ok. I hate getting gasoline on me. It’s dangerous and it stinks. Nice job anyway Rainman!
Y'all need ti remember that these jobs pay flat rate. If he spends half an hour pumping out fuel and putting fuel back in that's basically time he's giving away.
That being said, when my father in law had a bad fuel pump that made a little pressure I did disconnect the filter, jump the relay, get the gas cans, and pump that thing dry.
@@michaeldurrett8388 "Safety first". I know of a guy who thought it was best not to drain the tank first. He pulled the tank down, spilled a bunch of gas that somehow started a fire and he got burnt bad himself, to the point I think of requiring skin grafts. This is just one of the reasons that I despise the flat rate system. It causes techs to take short cuts just to "beat" time. Don't take short cuts especially if safety is compromised.
Good videos. I can only imagine working in a climate where things come apart like they are supposed to
Does your climate effect the parts of the vehicle?
@@wayneessar7489 maybe he is from the rust belt
@@wayneessar7489 I live where we use a ton of salt on roads during winter. There are many times on older vehicles when you try to remove a bolt and the head comes off but the rest of it will stay inside due to rusting through. Quite frustrating.
@@itsjust2hard Thank you for your reply!
@@webmasale Thank you, it snows here but rains a lot.
Loving these videos, my dad was a mechanic when cars didn't have computers in them. He hated cars with computers in them :D
Brings back bad memories of changing the fuel pump for the third time on my wife's Dodge van. I ran it til the fuel empty light stayed on, but it still had gallons of fuel and at one point fuel went down my arm, all the way to my arm pit. I hated that Dodge and was so happy to finally see it gone.
Always a good idea to replace the fuel filter if a fuel pump has failed. Especially if the fuel filter is several years old or many miles old. Partly clogged fuel filter causes back pressure on fuel pump, it has to work harder, draws more amps, eventually fails.
This. Cant believe the fuel filter wasn't replaced.
@@emersonbiggens1502 It was replaced.
@@BigLisaFan I thought so too, he said it at around 8 min and around 18 min he changed a part that looks like the filter...
@@emersonbiggens1502 this is what happens when you don’t watch the video before commenting. He did change it 😂
8:02
Car comes in for a tune up, it’s on reserve for fuel. Car needs fuel pump, customer fills up car……Every damn time when I was at dealerships.
I always leave between a quarter and a half tank when getting some work done, no more than that though because i did have a problem with a mechanic taking a 3.5 hour test drive after putting on new tires...
As a customer, I keep my tank about 1/2 to 1/4 when I take it in for service. Then afterwards, I take the car for a wash and top off tank.
Got super lucky that oldie but a goodie was Soo rediculously clean and not rusty never seen a gas tank drop that easy or go so smooth
Hey Rainman, I hope you read this; Once upon a time, at a VW Dealership in Spokane, just after Mt. Saint Hellen blew up - They had a Fuel Drain Cart = A hand-truck with a 12v batt on it - Half way up the H-truck was a Plywood Board with a 1979 VW 12v Rotary, Out-board Fuel Pump, a fuel Filter & a Fuse & a Switch & some wire & some Alligator clips & some "Out-going Hose" & some "In-coming Hose"! Add a few Gas Cans & That Tank will be Empty in 3 minutes!!!!
Makes me grateful for European motors which (usually) have a hatch under the back seats to get the pump out.
Definitely should have drained the tank, whether you like it or not. And, please get yourself a hose clip driver, 7mm. Makes life a lot easier.
@@CajunReaper95 if you think draining a tank takes all day you clearly need more spanner time.
I'm jealous, look how amazingly clean the threads are on those strap bolts. In Pennsylvania half of the frame comes out with them and the strap twists.
No doubt!
Atlantic Canada's the same. I've worked on cars with more rust after a couple of winters than that Saturn had after 20 years.
I live in Pennsylvania and none of my cars ever had any rust.
@@scottr3484your car is either 100% stainless,plastic or you don't drive in salt brine or calcium chloride or you trade them in every couple of years. Or you live in a different Pennsylvania than I do.
@@smallchunkaground2071 New car every 3 years. Keep it simple
Having the right tools and knowledge is key....but What a difference having a lift is! The everyday backyard mechanic doing this on jackstands wishing for a lift
That was a close one! I didn’t think we were getting any “click’s” today. Keep up the awesome content.
Same, I was waiting for the oodle-doodle doo, answer the phone too...!
I laughed at the Click on the fuel pump ring
You should sell merchandise with Click and Do da do da do!
And click...
Yeah, I was hoping that ball peen didn't hit a radius or phalange and cause a bad day.
Ray mentioned draining the fuel tank is a pain but I'd found some way to do it. A nearly full tank makes the job risky on dropping the tank, cracking the tank, fuel spills, etc. After the filler tube was disconnected could have siphoned out the gas quickly into clean gas cans and then refilled the tank later. But that takes time to do. I guess getting the job done quickly is a priority.
Some cars you can't siphon
@@richsweeney1115 Once the filler neck is removed, you can siphon the gas out. This fact was proven when he was reinstalling the tank and gas was leaking out
I had to remind myself to Tell you have a great day you are a hard worker at your Job God bless you and all your family and friends I'll be praying for all of you Blessings
I did this exact job on an 89 Mustang. 1/2 tank of gas, on jackstands in a bank parking lot. Having all that weight on your chest, and sliding it over was fun. Puttin it back up was even funner.
FYI that is an SC1....also for anyone replacing the fuel filter, DO NOT use a generic filter, these filters have the regulator built in. 98-02'
Yeppers. The 1st New car I ever purchased was a '94 SL2.
SL = Sedan
SC = Coupe
SW = Station Wagon
1 = Base model
2 = Loaded up with power everything and Leather plus 15" Alloy wheels instead of 14" steel wheels with hub caps.
@@MrWoodyBalto I will never give up my Satty. 1=SOHC 2=DOHC.....
That explains the 3 lines coming out of the filter, that looks strange to me. Most are just single inlet, single outlet.
@@brnmcc01 Yeah I think at the time it was a cost saving and simplification measure for GM. It makes for a slight hassle in the aftermarket but the filters are expected to last as much as 100k.
Yeah the 2nd and 3rd Gen S Series were like that, mine was a 95 (1st Gen body, 2nd Gen Dash). Filter was up more by the engine, regulator on the fuel rail. I can see why they would go with this setup though it does make the fuel filters more expensive.
I feel you on this I started last night on a 2003 ford explorer sport trac 4x4 ... bad fuel pump ... the fuel filler hose hadn't been removed in almost 300k miles fought with it for 20 mins and the fuel tank was completely full
That’s how most fuel pumps seem to fail just after filling the tank.
300k? Nice
I remember changing a fuel filter under a car when I worked at JCPenny/Firestone in 82/83. Had fuel all down my arm and shirt (long sleeves in NJ winter). Got it done and see a coworker heading towards me with a lit cigarette. I never ran so fast in my life while yelling at him to stay the hell away from me as I ran to locker room and into the shower. Jumped in shirt and all.
New fuel sending unit and She drives like brand new good video as always @Rainman Ray's Repairs
Thanks for the vids… always enjoy watching. Old and new
I always used brass drift punches. Steel a slight risk of creating sparks. Just my $.02.
I am shaw he used a approved flash light and cordless socket driver LOL. he is a bad accident waiting to happen!
@12:43 I thought I saw a spark as you drove the retainer ring off, might want to switch to a brass version to avoid this in the future.
Yep, don't use a steel chisel, we like you too much Ray, it will create a spark, go to brass as mentioned....I love your videos man.....Safety first....
I'm not a car person, but for what it's worth these videos are greatly entertaining to watch! My dad used to run a car repair shop in the countryside and as a kid I spent a lot of time just idling about, watching and listening to him work. These videos bring back a lot of memories while also being vastly more informative and far less laden in alcoholism than the work I witnessed back in the day. It's always a delight to see someone working and showcasing their knowledge and experience in practice. Keep up the good work, Sir!
You had like 40k subscribers 3 or 4 months ago.
I told a buddy about you who likes car shit, he told 140k people/
Love your contents, love your personality, just always be you, don't let you tube fame change who you are.
Stud
Personally I would have bench tested the new pump prior to install in the tank. I also would have drained the tank. Gas Cady works great
It's always a full tank, ever notice that? When we had to do fuel tank jobs, we siphoned out as much fuel as possible outside to reduce spillage and fire risk. I had various rubber tube sections in my tool box to cap off things with fuel in them. The fuel in the tank helps cool the pump so don't run your tank too low either.
The TRUTH has been spoken. It's Murphy's Law of Auto Mechanics. If the in tank pump goes the gauge needle is pointing past full.
Yup, had to replace fuel pump in the parking lot on a GMC 1500 pickup truck, older 5.7 with TBI. 31 gallon tank was too tall to slide out completely from under the truck, so I had to spin it 90 degrees to get access to the pump. It was also nearly 100% full, so it was way heavier than this Saturn tank. Turns out when I pulled out the fuel pump assembly, the pump was fine, what had happened was there is this little 2in long rubber hose connector that connects the pump to the hardline coming out of the tank. So the original pump was still running, but just spraying fuel all over inside the tank. Could have just replaced the little piece of hose, but that pump had over 100k miles on it and was getting noisy, so I just replaced the whole assembly. Had already bought the new one, and it was getting dark fast etc.
That coworker is a real Einstein
work fascinates me,,,,I could watch it for hours
Should have been using a brass hammer when you were hitting the chisel.
Whenever you are doing a fuel tank related job its a good idea to siphon the fuel out from the tank as much as you can. Believe me it will make your job a lot better. It can be clearly seen that you were tapping the fuel filter in a wrong way. Put some electrical tape around the universal joint to stop the wobble.
I'm always irritated when I post a comment and refresh and my comment is no longer there. NOT COOL CZcams.
(retyping begin)
Ray! Your videos make me glad I am always patient when getting my car worked on.
I want (A) fixed.
But to get (A) fixed I need to take out parts b, c , d , e , f , g, h, , stuck part i and J. break parts k, l and m
and then remember everything I did so I can put it back together.
Well done Ray.
Pretty impressed some of these are still running. I had a couple of these back in the 90s/early 2000s. Both burned oil after 75,000 miles 1 quart every 1000 miles. I had a 1993 SL2 and a 2002 SL and they both did it. 9 years and GM never put better rings in. I wouldn't have bought a second one but they had something in 2002 called the silver blue special and it was a five speed and air and basically nothing else but it was 9995 dollars brand new including destination. I traded in the 1993 on it, it had 199,000 miles and it burned a valve and the clutch barely worked and they gave me a decent trade in anyway. I remember about 100,000 miles the converter came apart and all they made was factory so I took it off and beat the insides out and put it back. They were built to the cheapest they could get away with so the "retailer" could sell at list price and still make at least $2000 a car.
Just recently found your channel and I'm amazed by the steps needed to fix cars. I've watched Chris fix for awhile and he does an amazing job as do you. You guys inspire me so much to learn much more about fixing cars! Keep up the great work!
Ditch fixboy and stick with Ray. Fixboy comes across as a spolied rich kid. I unsubbed from him when he did that whole long string of look what I bought videos. Ray is a real blue collar working man with credentials. Never brags and keeps it real.
I don't think I ever replaced a fuel pump where the tank wasn't full. It seems street diagnostic test is add 1 gallon of gas, if no start, add another gallon. If that doesn't work, fill tank, for the first time since owned.
Isnt that the truth!
True, I very nearly did the same myself recently, only added a gallon before I stopped myself adding any more, luckily I did need to remove the tank to access the fuel pump
That’s why I love the design of my Jeep Patriot. Take the backseat out and the fuel pump is right there.
Any Saturn that runs is worth saving. I bought a SL1 new in 1997 and it has never left me on the road with my thumb bin the air. Unbelievable reliability those cars have. Simple to work on when you rarely need to. I hope the fuel pump holds up in mine!
I can vouch for the reliability of the ole SC1. Actually, the one I had was (is) a race car. (A 2000 model year.) It had its issues when I first got it, mainly from the previous owner's inability to do things properly. The car had over 250,000 miles on it before it was built into a race car. After that, it raced 2 or 3 seasons before I got it. After an intake manifold gasket replacement (NOT a fun job!) that engine still sounded like it could go another 100,000+ miles in a street car. I actually have a couple videos of the car as a racer.....good ole Number 7. Had a blast wrenching on that car...and of course racing it.
I've owned 5 Saturns and have had to drop a few tanks. Quickest way I've found is to unbolt the filler neck from the body, and unbolt the rear subframe, let it hang. Then the tank can come out as a unit with the filler neck, so no risk of spilling.
Asian people.
This brings back memories on welding the fuel tank on my old Mazda. Even though it was drained and rinsed with water there was a nice fireball when I started grinding rust away.
Ya. You have to do that with water in the tank.
@@j.t.cooper2963 I was gonna say you leave water in the tank when grinding and welding them because fumes are more dangerous then liquid... liquid will start fires , fumes will explode if in the right conditions
Yes, it was a good lesson for an 18 year old :)
Stick the hose from the mig welder in the tank and fill it with argon. No more boom.
@@timernewein5146 that's another way because argon is a heavier gas then oxygen no oxygen no boom I guess.... but what if you dont have a mig welder ? Just a scenario that may come up a few times in said situation lol
It is sweet how peter looks up to you figuratively and literally.
I remember having to remove a fuel tank for repair from a 1976 XC ??? ford falcon ute for repair. The tank is actually located in the tray area just behind the cabin under the floor. This means you have to take off the tray floor cover and lift the tank out. Of course the tank still has at least 8 litres (2 gallons) left even if you run it to empty which sloshes all over the place as you remove it.
That thing was fun to drive as it would leave rubber strips easily but was terrible in the wet (for the same reason). It would break traction so easily (even with the big boots on it) . It had a worked 351 in it.
The minute he started the car and the car died off, I immediately knew what the problem was. The Fuel Pump. It happened to me after I filled up my 25 Gallon tank on my van and was stuck at the gas station. Had it towed to the house and took a moment to figure out how to change the fuel pump without emptying or dropping out the tank. Took a measuring tape and pin pointed the exact location of the pump an cut an access panel on the floor board and wallah, there is the fuel pump in plain site. After replacing it, I went to the junk yard and found a van just like mine and cut a larger floor panel and used that as my access panel for future incidents, and yes, I used silicon glue and some short screws and screwed the panel to the floor. Problem solved.
I know, you can't do that with the customer's car.. lol
Dangerous, very dangerous
why don't they make access panels ... in the 2 cars IO had to fiddle with the fuel pump had that under the rear seats (mazda protege) and on the floor under the carpet (kia sedonna), the hardest part on the mazda was removing the cover,I had to drill out almost all the screws (didn't own a manual impact driver at the time)
most likely the fuel level was low and it thermal shocked the pump (since the fuel is cold)
That's voila, not wallah.
@@stargazer7644 is right one means "there you go" the other "I swear to God",
its crazy to see that there is no/ little rust on the cars you work on.. i live in NY so im used to my cars rusting out completely by the time theyre 10 years old smh
Agree -Eric O at South Main Auto is a wizard of the salty north in NY. I’m in north UK at the coast and we suffer a fair bit of the salty crusties too.
@@mrbigvanlife7130 I live about an hour from Eric o! If i ever need major work done i will definitely be driving to him.
@@apc01352 he’s the man! - an honest, fair and talented guy…Me? I work to the principle that if he can do it then I can do it ;-) (and I bought a Toyota !)
My brother tells me his only last 5 years....
Is that expensive having to keep getting a replacement car? we don't do salt here in New Zealand
I do believe I had a possible bad day with out having my dose of our favorite Florida Man in the morning. Had to do things without watchin' ray.
Huh! I’d always wondered how mechanics knew how far forward to pull cars to put them onto lifts.
I saw the floor-plates and my question was answered.
Thanks, Ray! Neither of us thought to ask this question here, but you have the answer. Neat!
I thought the proper procedure is to use a brass drift when removing the ring from the gas tank to avoid Sparks. Any thoughts?
....no there was no chance of sparkling the gas
@@vulgervulcan6345 Why?
@@Amp497 Because it's on the outside of the tank and he had the punch against the ring not hitting the ring, hitting the punch. The hammer is hardened steel the chisel is hardened steel you could get a spark out of it if you tried, but the chisel wasn't striking off the ring, it was firmly on the ring. That doesn't make a spark. He's not even getting sparks when he pulls out the old air chisel.
You can't imagine how many cars have passed through our shop in the last 20 years because a previous mechanic used some unexpected/unconventional item to plug a leaking orifice just like you used that blue shop towel to plug the dribbling fuel tank filler. We've found diapers, golf tees, marbles, plastic bags and cups and on and on in places they had no business being. It's a behavior of convenience but not necessarily of common sense!
As long as the one doing the work isn’t lacking in their attention span and has a mental checklist to ensure they remove such items used to temporarily plug a hole and the item used does not cause damage or consist of a material that will fall apart, it shouldn’t matter what the mechanic uses for the task as long as it works without causing more work later. As a former mechanic for over 25 years I too have found such things but have always made sure to remove anything that I used as a plug and in over 25 years of twisting wrenches, I never forgot to remove what I used and never used anything that broke or fell apart… not saying I haven’t made other mistakes but that had never been one of them. Some of us can’t justify spending money on buying a set of plugs and caps when that money could be better spent on other tools such as a hose removal tool to break the hoses loose from the fittings without damage or excessive effort.
I remember the oldies but goodies when the fuel pump was much easier to change progress is not always progress. They say the fuel pumps were placed in the tank for safety reasons guess that makes sense, Just makes it more difficult to change. good job.
20 years and just look how clean it is under there!
yes at least draining some of the fuel would have been good and blowing the dirt off before loosening the fuel pump hold down is always a good thing to keep the dirt from falling into the tank just sayin!
The top of that tank was pretty damm clean, just sayin..
I understand how technology changes but I miss the days where we had the external mechanical fuel pumps.
@John DeRocha Thank You!! I always wondered why they did away with something so simple and easy to replace as the Mechanical Fuel Pump.
@@dallashopkins884 not to mention vehicles with mechanical pumps are way more susceptible to vapor lock ever since we stopped using lead and started using ethanol blended fuels. Vapor lock SUCKS.
@@dallashopkins884 mechanical fuel pumps are way too powerful for these kinds of applications, mechanical fuel pumps are now used for racing applications because our turbo hondas for example run out of fuel pump so we put mechanical pumps with ethanol fuel due to the high constant pressure you can get but for daily driver and fuel saver electrical fuel pumps are better and safer
I was told by an engineer from Honda that fuel pumps are now internal to keep them cool.
Correct, because a hot pump contributes to vapor lock.
I find myself saying "click" when working on my own cars. I think we need a Rainman Ray's Repair shirt that just says "click".
We had one of those 10 gallon gas tanks for the shop just for these types of jobs, easy to just siphon out the gas before pulling the tank and then feed it back in when done.
Hey Ray - Good stuff - I have learned a lot here. I do always wonder why you fight with worm clamps with a straight screwdriver rather than a nut driver or socket. Seems out of character for you to do all that sliding off with a screwdriver. Keep up the good work!!
I know lol. I never use a straight screwdriver unless I utterly have to.
Seems like Saturn used troublesome fuel pumps. I bought a brand new Saturn L300 in 2004 and it went thru 4 fuel pumps by the time I got rid of it it in 2011. On a positive note the bolts that held the tank straps in were never in long enough to get rusted in place.
My friends love Saturn he leased it after being unemployed for a long time. He think the Philosophy of manufactured of Saturn is using Honda and Japanese process to build a quality car in Detroit in 1990. I told him that Toyota City and Japanese QC and reliability of Toyota is much superior than Saturn. I ended up brought used Chevy Prizm with low mileage since I trust Toyota Corolla engine more than Saturn. His new Saturn needs new Generator after 36K new fuel pump and so much issue with his warranty and maintenance. While my Prizm needs new PS pump and I had Japanese took care of that for $80.00. I replaced Struct shock with Japanese used parts and my car still running fine 22 years later.
I am always learning from you, Ray. And you have a way of lightening up my day. Thanks! 😃
SC 1 single overhead cam 5 speed. My 96 was blue. When that one was totalled by a wrong way driver in St Petersburg, I went back to the Saturn dealer and got a 99 SL 2 that had some cool options. I drove that car for 10 years.
my hyundai's have a cap under the back seat to do all of this within 10 minutes and no mess.
Yep. Honda and Toyota have the same thing.
My Ford Contour had a similar arrangement.