The Fake Hand Illusion
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This experiment perfectly illustrates my skepticism toward the concept of nonbelief. Here, we have a situation in which the subjects are consciously aware of the illusion and the fake hand. The subjects possess objective Knowledge of the context of the experiment; one Believes that the hand is fake, one is Justified in this Belief, and it is True that the hand is fake. However, the subjects begin to react as though the hand is real and that what they are viewing is their own hand. Yet, if belief informs action, then action entails belief. This suggests that on a _subconscious_ level, the subject believes that the hand is real despite knowing at the conscious level that this is not the case.
Tamara Szabó Gendler, Ph.D., Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences at Yale has studied this sort of phenomenon at length, dubbing it Alief. Alief has also been used by psychologist Paul Bloom and even Daniel Dennett to explain a variety of human behavior. What I find interesting here is that if one's opposition to belief sans evidence is based on the notion that belief informs action, then whether one wishes to distinguish _linguistically_ from other belief is irrelevant because this phenomenon can and does inform human action, as well, it is subconscious, it is involuntary, it is irrational, it can be contrary to our conscious desires, and it can even override them. To me, this draws into question whether it is possible in reality to have a _true_ absence of belief, since belief is simply the condition of finding a proposition to be _more likely_ to be true and does not imply certainty, conviction, immutability, permanence, rationality, volition, or even conscious deliberation. Strictly speaking, Alief _is_ Belief. So, if Alief or some other bias is present, so is Belief; and this would not be _true_ nonbelief.
"I haven't felt it first hand" 😄
Just saying it is spelled firsthand
@@Cecilia-ky3uw sounds like secondhand information.
I really have to hand it to you for being first.
Well, congratulations. Let’s all give this guy a hand! 👏🏻
@@AsixA6id like to offer a hand giving him a hand
I want a rubber hand really badly now, I WANT so badly to experience this. Even alex had a hard time trying to explain the feeling.
I want a set of AR/VR goggles to use it to switch places with someone, like you can look down and see their chest arms and feet, look foreword and see yourself, etc.
You can do it with a rubber glove filled with water tied at the end also!!! I tried it like it and it worked :)
@@EshwenAudanal >>I want a set of AR/VR goggles to use it to switch places with someone, like you can look down and see their chest arms and feet, look foreword and see yourself, etc.""
Does that have the same effect? I cant really afford that anyways really.
@@PanPanda384 >>You can do it with a rubber glove filled with water tied at the end also!!! I tried it like it and it worked :)""
AHHHHH HAAAAAA. Well that sounds just perfect, I think I have some already even. Thank you so much for the suggestion.
@@macmac1022 You're welcome ^^
This is very similar to the experience of what we call phantom touch. Where in VR (VRChat) you become so accustomed to seeing your avatar’s hands and body move with you in VR that you start feeling things that happen to it.
The effect of the finger "swapping over" du to a dissonance between the touch and the visual input is a really good thing. It means when (or if) someday we get touch-sensitive prosthetics our brains will be able to "accept" them as a normal substitute for lost limbs - so there won't be the constant feeling of having a fake or someone else's hand.
It reminds me of the experiment with the guy who wore inverted glasses for a week and he adapted to it
The weirdest thing is that it works even though you know what’s happening.
He knows there’s a rubber hand in the box, he knows it’s an experiment. He knows every thing, and it still works.
Well, after watching it: perhaps exactly because we know it, it works.
the length of time he continued to stroke his hand(s) tho xD
i expected him to do it for like 20 sec but i've been watching him stroke, and stroke, and stroke, for like a solid 5 mins now with no sign of stopping anytime soon 😂
tbf i bet it feels pretty good, in an ASMR kind of way, i'd probably not protest if someone wanted to gently caress my fingers with a soft paint brush tip haha
Haha lol I was thinking the same thing. Tho it is quite an interesting illusion.
@@rickybloss8537 definitely! I’d love to experience it, bet it feels really peculiar!
Thats what i was thinking as well lmao
Bah, I bet it feels just like any old hand job
Ya, Beginning to think he likes it 😂
“I’m Alex O’Conner, here to try the Gom Jabbar”
Nice one.
It would be interesting to see what the reaction would have been if something blunt touched his real hand at the same time he saw the scissors jab the rubber hand. Especially if he wasn’t expecting it. Just because it’s a really big difference between being stabbed by scissors and not touching at all. If there was a smaller jump I suspect it would be more likely the person would feel the sharpness of the scissors.
Or just a touch with the head of a pin.
...or what if he stabbed his REAL hand with the scissors, and touched the rubber hand with a q-tip? 😁
I wonder what that would be like...
@@billymanilli I’d imagine surprisingly painful. But at least it would be a surprise 🤣
I once done this “experiment” with people at a party who were all trippin on LSD , it was so much fun watching them freak out
That is funny. I once woke up and I grabbed my hand like the initial picture in the video. I shook my hand and declared to my wife who was awake, “look what I found!” Of course, my wife teased me about it, and questioned me and I realized at the time I couldn’t explain how I found my own hand.
Should have put it back and had her look for it.😉
Oliver Sacks wrote (many excellent books) but A Leg To Stand On is about his experience of injuring his leg and waking up to find the leg completely alien to him and not like a part of his body. It happens fairly often. Patients would try to throw the weird extra legs and arms out of the bed, thinking the appendages disgusting and belonging to other people.
@@abeautifuldayful When I partially woke up (enough that I can remember finding my hand), I really did think I found my own hand. When my wife questioned (cross-examined) me I realized it was my own hand, and I went back to sleep.
This is really interesting. I was addicted to spice at one point (K2, artificial cannibanoids - nasty stuff, don't try it), but on two separate occasions with it when way too high I felt, as he describes, as though I couldn't identify my limbs as mine, and also that I had died. I was convinced that when I opened my door, all I would see is void. Crazy shit.
(also unrelated just to make sure my "don't try it" goes through - I also felt bugs crawling under my skin and up my throat and would regularly perceive my limbs or digits growing in front of my eyes, and had bouts of psychosis where I was convinced every sound I heard was a hallucination. Nasty Stuff.)
Was addicted. Keep it that way, you can do it my dude
At first I thought this is gonna be boring because I've seen this experiment so often. But Alex acknowledging that and moving the conversation forward from that point completely fixed it
About a year ago I had a rather stressful period where my hand would sometimes not feel like part of me. Not like it was numb or anything, but when I looked at it, it was like looking at an object rather than myself. Gesturing with it felt sending commands rather than me just moving my hand, gave me a new appreciation of how dexterous and complex our hands are.
like you are a passenger in your body? I think I've had that feling sometimes. You can even induce it through deeper introspection.
@@kseriousr Not quite, itd only be one or both of my hands that would feel foreign. Typically Id be eating or working and then Id sorta "notice" my hand as if it was an object just coming into view.
After that it could last 30 mins to an hour
Dissociation is crazy. Look up depersonalization / derealization - sounds like what you may have been experiencing. Stress can do a number on you!
Gotta hand it to ya, this was interesting
Was waiting for the part where you smash the rubber hand with a hammer causing Alex to flinch and describe feeling the hammer. Thats usually the ending of the fake hand illusion. The sciccors was ok I guess.
I'd expect it to be comparable to having a numb hand, like when you're frozen cold and don't feel any touch despite expecting it
The podcast and this were utterly fascinating, and as well as giving me a whole lot more insight into the human experience is giving me pause for thought concerning how to approach or consider the beliefs of people with whom I vehemently disagree, as being self evidently false.
"If you want to watch the full episode, click the link" my initial thought was "god damn it so I'm gonna have to skip over a 15min chunk of the full episode, if I had known, I'd have just gone straight to the full episode!" and felt immediate irritation about the fact that creators so often fragment their podcast episodes and upload them as shorter clips without indicating that it's part of a greater, full episode.
But then you say immediately after "what you just watched was filmed entirely separately, so the full episode is entirely new material"
Mate. I cannot express how grateful I am for this degree of thoughtfulness. I am an extremely avid youtube and podcast watcher, and I've never once come across a creator who goes out of their way to make sure that clips are entirely separate material from podcasts. THANK YOU!
I think there is more...hand to this! Can't wait for more content Alex!
I was wondering if he was going to stop brushing Alex's hand but continue to brush the rubber hand and see if Alex's mind was going to 'invent' the sensory input because he was expecting to feel it due to the synchronicity up until that point.
I've experienced something similar to what was being described regarding not feeling that your hand is yours. I got to that point by looking at and focusing on my hand for several minutes as just an object and eventually felt dissociated from it in the same way that saying a word (like rhinocerous) too often in a row makes it lose any meaning.
Ever mess up and stab the real hand and the person not react?
Do they check this with people who use Vrchat? Because they have various levels of being able to feel people touching them in Vr. I have met some people who say they feel physical pain if someone hits them in Vr and other people say they feel nothing.
Hypnotism is real. I suggest attending a stage hypnotism show for a start.
My daughter was once hypnotized by a stage hypnotist, and she was instantly put to sleep and slid out of her chair, and stayed sound asleep on the floor. She looked like those flattened cartoon characters that's led down the stairs.
I know for sure my daughter was not in on a conspiracy to fool people.
Hypnotism has a lot to do with suggestion. People need to cooperate in some way to become hypnotised - at least I think that has been shown. I don't have a source on hand
@@MirandolinaAmaldin true. You can’t hypnotize someone unwilling. I used to have a fear of being hypnotized and so I naturally did research on it. I was relieved to find out that a person can’t be made to do something against their will.
Stage hypnosis tends to ask for volunteers. People who volunteer tend to be willing to cooperate in the performance. I wouldn’t volunteer and if I were unwilling brought up on stage, the audience would probably be disappointed.
@@connorgrynol9021 that's part of why rapport is so vital to the process, if the subject does not trust the hypnotist then nothing will happen.
I believe you. I've been hypnotized by a friend who was studying the subject but by no means a professional. Was totally skeptical about hypnosis myself, but curious as to why my seemingly very intelligent and well educated friend was so convinced he could do it. So I volunteered to be a subject.
Was then totally alarmed when coming round from what felt like a very deep sleep I could hear my friend telling me I was waking up, counting backwards from five, then leave the room. Leaving me fully conscious but completely unable to move any part of my body except my eyes, for another minute or so. Eventually I could move my arm, then everything else quickly came back to life.
I was absolutely gob smacked and needless to say no longer a skeptic around hypnosis. 😅
@@jennywren118 There is no doubt people are genuinely hypnotized. It’s is, however, debatable how effective it is for doing things like stopping smoking.
The police occasionally use hypnosis to help solve crimes. In court, hypnosis is deemed too unreliable (and thus inadmissible as evidence) because it is based on suggestion. In law evidence is supposed to be based on fact.
This is so fascinating!
I love how you explore different topics, can you shed some light on your opinions about extraterrestrials?
Nice, I do it in my ethics lessons since a decade, when we start with some easy epistemology 🙂
i used to work for digital pictures. just sayin.
wasn't there a house md episode about this?
despite coming up borderline psychopath in tests, i have masses of empathy, i can't watch skateboard videos where people fall off and knacker themselves because i get quite uncomfortable electric shocks running through my person, especially my arms. on the other hand i see the world through an air of complete detachment, for instance i was sitting on the bus the other day, and i was watching an old lady with a walking stick really stepping very gingerly off the bus, someone stood up to give her a hand and only then it occurred to me, i could have got up to give her a hand - to me the world seems like something i'm watching rather than actively taking part in.
on the other hand...my heart belongs to someone else.
As soon as I seen the title and the thumbnail picture, this experiment immediately came to my mind LOL. I seen this experiment more than a decade ago, except it was done with both the paint brushes, and then a hammer.
Saw*
@@brettvv7475 ?
Same
@@brucecook502 The word should be saw instead of seen if you don't mind the grammar police. But I like your comment about the hammer.
@@abeautifuldayful oh okay I gotcha 🙂
There's another phenomena regarding the perception of ourselves that I've only ever heard discussed once by chance. We have a 'proportional' perception of various parts of our body that isn't necessarily to scale, and which isn't obvious to us as we carry out our daily activities. If we were to draw a 'brain perception' of our body as opposed to the real proportions, we would look quite different. Our head, lips and hands would be much larger than they actually are.
I can remember when I was about ten or eleven years old slowly recovering after an illness and having the feeling that my head and hands were huge. It was really weird.
I _believe_ you are more accurately describing the “homunculus”: what it looks like when we diagram/map/illustrate the relative space that our body parts occupy in the brain (both in the somatosensory and motor cortexes). If you draw the body based on this relation, it is distorted in the way you describe.
However, this is merely an illustration and the takeaway is that our brain devotes more processing power to more important areas of the body, which are either more sensitive, dexterous, or both… for likely easily explainable reasons of evolutionary advantage.
This is different from your brain *perceiving* your body parts larger or smaller than they are - your brain likely keeps a rather accurate tracking of your body’s proportions (again for straightforwardly explainable evolutionary advantage).
I can’t recall if there’s a name for what you described when you were sick and felt a distorted sense of limb size, but that is a fascinating illusion. It is a great example of how the brain can be tricked because it is indeed processing and integrating your senses to form your experiences, and certain phenomena can mess with any part of that complex system and produce very odd results for you to experience.
@@Michael-kp4bd Strange indeed. I did have something similar many years later driving virtually non stop from Perth, Western Australia to Sydney (2,600 miles). It was at night and I'd gone 'beyond tired'. A strange sense of 'disconnection' from body. Obviously a potentially dangerous state of mind when driving.
I read somewhere that our brain develops a 'database' of our body (fingers, hands, arms, legs etc). So when a limb is amputated the brain still perceives it as present. Similarly, people can feel that one of their limbs doesn't belong because there is no entry in their brains 'database' for that particular limb.
Our sense of touch is such a powerful connection between our body and mind that when we lose it, say when waking up after having slept on your arm, the lack of sensation gives an instant impression that it's not yours anymore.
I recommend trying hypnosis. It is, however, just playing along, in some sense. And that's definitely especially true of stage hypnosis. That said, I wouldn't describe it as fake, in the sense that the people on stage are encouraged by the hypnotist to enter a different mindset than they usually do, and to them the actions they feel different, feel more like they aren't under their control. But if you go up on stage and just refuse to accept the hypnosis, it's not going to work. There's a line "all hypnosis is self-hypnosis" - it does require you to go along with it, and people can't be hypnotized against their will. However, with a good hypnotist (which for me and I'm confident you, is one who doesn't bullshit you that they're doing something magic but instead invites you to participate in the process) you can enter a really fascinating mental state. It's a bit like the moments before you go to sleep or immediately after you wake up when you haven't quite decided that your dreams aren't real.
An example. One classic hypnosis thing is to make, say, your arm too heavy to lift. If you're in that state, it really does feel like your arm is incredibly heavy and you're unable to move it. At the same time, you are on some level conscious that you can snap out of this state, so if you decide "you know what, I don't want to feel this any more" you can break it (which is, y'know, important for safety and many responsible hypnotists will say something about reminding you about your ability to respond to emergencies early on in the session). So yes, playing along is required, but also if you do, the sensations are very strong.
A rubber tentacle with five suction cups would probably take longer to produce that effect, but it would be interesting if I came to think of it as part of my body.
Why the cut at 7:20? I was interested in hearing his response, if there's actual research on this and if it can be backed up. I have the same skepticism
There should have been a spider crawling on the rubber hand while he grabs his real hand with a damp hand. That would freak him out 😂
V. S. Ramachandran has some great lectures on these type of things. Very interesting
8:40 that’s the same feeling When a person sees another person having an accident in front of him (similar).
that has to do with the imaginary plan that the brain creates for the body, but that has nothing to do with self concept.
I once woke up in the pitch black in the night but I'd been lying on my front on my arms and they were totally numb. I couldn't feel them at all or move them at all. I flipped over onto my back using my torso and somebody lightly punched me in the face! Of course it was my own arms and hands falling onto my face but I couldn't see them as it was dark or feel them (from the "inside") so the first I knew about it was when something hit me in the face. Spooky.
Having 2 pairs of scissors to gently prod both hands before stabbing the fake would surely help sell the illusion
I am not using the code cosmic sceptic. Cosmic is dead. Alex killed him😂
Alex, must you place non-adsense a ways into video rather than at/near very front/back/both? It breaks the flow of learning, and insures I click past it, if even finishing what I am confident is a quality production.
This was interesting. You could try and get Derren Brown on to talk about topics of religion and hypnosis.
I like Anil.
Looks are deceiving.
Feelings are deceiving.
Humans clearly are easily deceived . Hmmmmmm...
I love illusions to show us how our much experiences can be powered by imagination.
So you need to try and get Derran Brown on the show, given that he's a hypnotist and an atheist who spends time debunking things like mediums and is very erudite explaining how things work practically.
Maybe I’m just not looking hard enough, but there are a lot of things I’d like to try and experiment with hypnosis that I can’t find any decent sources on. I’ve considered learning self hypnosis but I naturally have trouble committing to something. Ironically, hypnosis could solve that problem for me.
Definitely and from a group he seems to know who is the most hypnotisable
Yes, this made me think of the Derren Brown hypnosis trick, where he makes a persons hand feel completely numb and pushes a needle through the skin. As a fellow public atheist he'd be a good guest.
Very interesting
Phenomenology experienced
I’m impossible to hypnotise. I went to loads of hypnotists to help give up smoking and no one was able to put me under.
"Put your hand in the box."
"Whats in the box?"
@@warrior_of_liberation "pain"
Could this work even better if ketchup spurted out from the rubber hand from the impact?
I’ve seen this before but not with the same ending. The one I’d seen had a more dramatic ending and a more dramatic reaction to it.
First he spoke about religion. Then he went through a vegan phase. Between this and that video which was on a variation of the McGurk Effect and the discussion around Terror Management Theory in which he non-critically cited priming studies which typically have low effect sizes and don't replicate, it looks like he's going through his first year psychology undergrad phase. Can't wait for next week's video on blindsight and attentional blindness.
But in all seriousness, the rubber hand illusion is pretty weird. I was a psych undergrad at Sussex Uni and took part in one of those studies. The effect continues even when they stop stroking your real hand, but you keep on watching the fake hand be stroked.
All you mentioned can have a relation to religion.
Could be honed down to
morality , illusion-deception, fear, and more illusion-deceprion.
On the idea of someone thinking they are dead, I thought of ghosts stories where the ghost doesn't know they are dead.
I could imagine someone who is alive thinking they are a ghost.
(And for all the ways one could argue to show they are not, I think I could find ways the person could argue against)
It would have been really interesting to see Anil lift the brush up over Alex's hand slightly but continue doing the overall movements and to see if Alex could still feel it.
That was my understanding of the end "goal" of this experiment. To try and get someone to accept the hand is theirs so much so that they can sort of feel it even when the brush isn't touching the real hand. But im probably wrong 🤷♂️
Also, having another pair of scissors to gently prod both hands before stabbing the fake would be great for selling the illusion
@@trybunt you could be wrong, but if so, at least you wouldn't be lonely! 🙋♂️
hey youtube subtitles, its ANIL seth..
I won’t hand in any of these puns.
Suggestions for a handbook on this experiment ? :-)
I thought he would stop brushing the real hand. Then, see if the sight of the brush on the rubber hand would still be felt.
Exactly. I was expecting that to be the next step, and it never happened.
@cufflink44 He opted for the scissors instead. 😒
I remember seeing this in House M.D. and later, I read about this phenomenon in Sam Harris' book. It is related to proprioception.
Alex, read the book 'The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat' by Oliver Sacks
"What is in the box?" "Pain"
I got to experience the rubber hand illusion. It’s very weird.
When I saw the wrong finger being done I thought once done, he was going to ask you to put you index finger in the air and you would flip him off. The confusion you would have on your face would be glorious.
Ketamine brings on a feeling where personally familiar things are no longer understood. I had it with a pug, my hand, foot and my best mate. I could see them as if for the first time and they definitely weren’t mine.
It's a good video I gotta hand it to him.
I was getting uncomfortable with how long the hand stroking went on for.
I was waiting for him to smash the hand with a hammer
Very interesting. This is an example of the usefulness of experiment, and the uselessness of introspection.
Love your content! Could you please debunk this so-called “snake in the yard analogy” that christians use to explain their duty to witness to us lost souls?😅🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Maybe I missed something obvious, but what is the sensation that the experiment triggers? That he can feel both hands being stroked as if the hand in the box is an imaginary other hand, or that the sensation from being stroked isn't being felt in his real hand but rather transfered to the spot where the rubber hand is?
transferred to the rubber hand as if that’s his hand now
I experience disassociating from my hand whenever i sleep on it. That is, everynight. Not a native English speaker, is there a word for that phenomenon?
Your hands go numb. Not a native speaker either..
@@PurplePolaroid22 ah thanks!
First hand experience indeed 😅😅
It seems a mirror (and a flipped hand) would make the illusion even more believable
Flesh is stronger than steal Conan.
You can see the scientific in terms of the personal or you can see it terms of the communal.
The communal is correct fyi as not everybody can withstand the same things or reacts the same way.
But if you have a community, well, there's always someone who can step up.
Are any hands real?
Thats either an extremely stupid question or profound on a level that I'm not smart enough to understand.
@@garythefishable ehh don’t take it too seriously unless you’re into weird philosophical arguments, honestly. Mostly joking; doesn’t matter much. There is an actual philosophical question about definitions of ordinary objects and such but it’s not very consequential or relevant to most aspects of life generally.
On a clock
that is the same question as "is anything real" claiming that this is a false reality (e.g., simulation theory)
@@davidevans3223 how many times a day are broken digital clocks right?
Something to add from an autistic perspective, I was taught by psychotherapists and occupational therapists about proprioceptors we have which are our touch receptors people with autism typically range from having half to less than half of the proprioceptors found in neurotypical brains, this amplifies dissociative sensory shut downs in people with autism a sensation that occurs from under stimulation, thought it could apply to those with the newfound disorder?
I would love to see you try to get hypnotized
10:00 that’s why what the irrational ape says is wrong.
No, Alex! That's not a paintbrush. It's the Gom Jabbar! The only thing in that box is PAIN.
I can't get over the fact that the fake hand in the box is just another right hand lol
You gotta hand it to the guy
Seems Voldemort stumped the prodigal son with his latest trick.
I was waiting for the hammer. It never comes?!
Ice can burn 🔥
The best scientists know that the mysteries of existence and the universe lie way beyond their capabilities and comprehension.
The subconscious is interesting to say the least. Our "animal brain" is how we communicate with ourselves. It no doubt is a "handy" think... 😅
I don’t have a rubber hand but I do have a rubber duck . I’m going to try this experiment on the duck
Phantom limb is other story related to the accurate plan of the body (infinitesimal details of human body)
the brain generates that too.
what this irrational ape says is wrong, they look similar phenomena but they are different (different mechanisms).
How jolly. The Phantom Hand experience can be wrought within the Absence of Mr Glass puzzle; i.e. humanity's ready - indeed eager - willingness to be deluded by an illusion. Indeed a whole mystery story - and a non-existent man, provided with a backstory, an identifiable appearance, and recognised actuality (physically) etc - can be conjured into 'existence' .. if only in man's mind .. from coincidental happenstance, e.g. whose hat is on the floor in front of a body.
Imagination is not a fraud nor is it magic, let alone science or reason .. it is a capacity in the animated mind to perceive .. shadows, and an ability to give them a name and the appearance of substance unrelated to any correspondent entity or datum. A sense of - imagination - is really quite old a reality for animals (living souls, active psyches); for most, it rarely rises above a sensory awareness of possible danger or passing prey - in man it is (at times) quite happily elevated to entertaining empathy or antipathy as in story-spinning, but in disease, it can become a hostile or addictive private world (psychosis, OCD, phantasmagoria, BDD, phobia or abuse .. a kind of personal haunting).
What of the hat, the body, and the absent Mr Glass .. the hat belonged to the conjurer on the floor, practising an escape-artist trick, and Mr Glass was .. well, I'll leave that to GK Chesterton's Fr Brown to explain (for that too is part of the human imagination at work).
Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek.
God bless. ;o)
“The dead hand gang”
A book reduced to a 15 min read… I wonder why authors put in the time and write hundreds of pages…
Can irrational apes challenge human mind !
"psychology and biology are two faces of the same coin" take that non worldly religions
He keeps doing the wrong finger.
12:45 what this irrational ape says here is wrong, they look similar phenomena but they are not the same phenomena.
Wait a second, those are fake hands
Who the hell is Alex O'Connor?
Alex posted this at 3 in the morning. Insomniac?
The video postings can be scheduled, can't they?
I’m far too introverted to allow someone to brush my hand for that long 😐 I even felt uncomfortable watching lmao
looked relaxing tbh
@@Forestgravy90 introverts and intimacy don’t tend to mix very well haha
I mean, it helps explain some of the reasons gaslighting works, why we like porn, and the proclivity of genital mutilating cultures viewing the practice as acceptable
Honestly I don't feel like this demonstration is really as profound as it's presented. It's a trick of the brain using the eyes and the sense of touch, I don't see how it says anything about the sense of self or consciousness.
But the trick is always happening?
@@tennicksalvarez9079 As I saw this iteration of the experiment, he was brushing both Alex's hand and the fake hand at the same time, without stopping. Wouldn't it be more wild if he stopped brushing the real hand and Alex still felt the brush strokes as the fake hand was brushed?
then scissors were brought to the fake hand and Alex kinda just laughed, clearly not feeling much attachment at all to the fake hand. That seemed to me like the purpose of the experiment failed.
All that is kind of beside the point, though, because I still just don't think the experiment, even if done properly, is very profound. It's no different than walking down a funhouse hallway where the walls are spiraling and you can't walk straight, despite the floor not actually moving.
It leads to the same conclusion as how direct electrical stimuli to the brain can make body parts move involuntarily: that consciousness fully derives from biochemistry, and the theist concept of "soul", like the rest of their beliefs, is false