Oil change recommended mileage - cut that in half. Never drive thru cold river - that converter below works on 400+ Celsius and it's made out of platinum inside. Imagine steel burning hot sprinkled with water. After driving never shut engine,leave it to run at least minute or some more at idle, for cooling the bearing in turbo. Be cautious with timing belt. At least once per week go to highway,drop it in manual and drive in higher rpm ( above 3000 ) for few minutes. I can say a lot more but this is basic. We have this engine in Europe for decades and we know issues that comes with it. PS. That catalytic converter and dpf furnace is installed way off. It should be just behind turbo. But I see that there's no space in Wrangler. Man I wish you all the best
@@Casey250 , I'm just sharing my experience with it, don't want to sound like some smartass asshole 😂. One more thing,that engine hates low quality fuel,if there's high sulphur in fuel it causes high carbonization on injectors outlets,piston surface,outlet valves and on VGT impeller in turbo housing. We put ATF oil ( one liter per full tank of fuel, so...60-80 liters fuel-1 liter ATF ) ,it helps with cleaning of internals and gives more viscosity to "dry" diesel fuel. Not saying that you have to do that,because maybe they changed some parts on engine due to difference of market compared to Europe. And we have really clean fuel,but we also have issues. Example,if we do off-road drives we change oil after 2000-3000 kilometers. If it's mixed 50-50 road off road,we change before 7500 km. If it's only road use we change from 10-15 thousand km. All with high quality oil available,Mobil 1,Castrol,or in case of Fiat group Selenia is recommended,or Agip/Eni.
@William Cooper ,here to share ✌️. Btw,I forget to mention, ATF in fuel,every 3-4th time full fill up. Not every time. You guys in US/Canada market are running on gasoline engines for ages while we in Europe are more on diesels. It's rare to see Mercedes, BMW, Audi or VW here with gas engine. Mostly diesel up to 3.0l straight or V configuration. And we always run away from diesel made in Italy 😁😉
@@efibendor1 ,yes they would tell,like McDonald's would tell that burgers are junk food. Wasn't saying that Jeep is bad or this engine is bad,just pointing stuff to be aware of. Properly maintened every car can do million miles ✌️
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I am a 2022 Rubicon diesel. I have steel front and rear bumpers, front winches, WARN 10-S lower skid plates and 35 inch tires behind. I have run 8000 miles in 2 months.Everything's fine and it's a lot smoother than it used to be, 70 miles per hour, 25 miles per gallon on the highway
In the USA, goodluck getting any shop to do a delete, and if you do it yourself, goodluck getting tuning for the delete. The EPA came down hard on all tuners and shops circumventing emission systems on diesel vehicles. You can go through Canadian companies. It's a bit less convenient.
does anyone know if wrangler diesel engines are on timing belt or chain?? there 3 diesel engines: those are: 2.8 diesel on JK for European versions only. also 2.2 diesel for JL for European versions only. and finally 3.0 diesel JL for u.s. versions.
Here in Europe you can run an extra LPG-installation (sort of natural gas tank) to the 3.6 pentastar motor for extra range in kilometers. You can run the engine on petrol or (sort of) natural gas.
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback. Trying to do 1 video a week with stuff going on, mods or adventures that takes a lot of editing, and 1 video a week with low editing and sharing information or experiences ive had.
Thanks for the update Casey. It looks like you have your work cut out for you to adequately protect that undercarriage! Really looking forward to upcoming developments!! Stay safe bro!
I think Casey250 was referring to the EGR pipe coming from the back of the DPF which is housed just downstream of the OXICAT . Further downstream of the urea injector is the selective catalytic reduction catalyst .
I’m diesel enthusiast and was excited when Jeep came out with one in a wrangler but yes us is cracking down on emissions and I feel like that’s a lot of emissions hardware potentially getting damaged and in my experiences how long until the system gets clogged, go bad etc and need to replace sensors at 300$ a pop. All in all the emissions are ruining diesels or at least taking the reliability out and causing unnecessary money and repairs. Thanks for video glad to get more info before buying
With that in mind, we diesel owners need to press the aftermarket companies. Email, FB posts asking when will components be available. Early on, this is to be expected, but eventually they’ll make the engineering/design mods and will want to take our hard earned money away. Let’s let them know!
Idk about the states but in my country rarely a 4wd in petrol. Most are happy with the diesel because diesel is cheaper despite not as fuel efficient as petrol so the scale balances out. The only petrol 4wd I know are landcruisers.
From front to back on exhaust. DPF filter tube coming off back of it low pressure EGR. Aka the clean egr. Pre dpf egr is where the soot clogs the intake. So DPF after that is SCR injector aka diesel exhaust fluid. Then SCR filter. Selective catalyst reduction. Then tail pipe.
FYI: The DEF tank skid plate was designed to support >50% the vehicle's weight. Feel free to drop the ass of your Jeep onto a log or something and it should be fine. Also, the underbody portion: the portion forward in car that you pointed to was the diesel particulate filter (DPF) and the one to the rear was the selective catalytic reduction (SCR) catalyst. (The little thing with the reflective hood that plugs into the exhaust is the DEF injector)
Glad to see that they put a old fuel cap on, my 16 ecodiesel ram has this strange fillup that dosent need a cap. I bought a set for 20 bucks on Amazon which is a cap for both.
So I have a Excursion so I have to super mindful on everything I buy. I have to have the towing aspect but also want offroading. A f350 blocks and springs give me a higher weights And a 3 and half inch lift. With billstein 5100s. Just did the steering with Moog. My gvwr is 8900 lbs. But limited by springs only. Trying to do a lot of offroading this winter. Well snow wheeling. Been preparing all summer for winter lmao
Loving the videos, but the DPF on the Diesel is a nightmare, they are unreliable, can faill, and if they get clogged up you will go into limp mode and need jeep to clear it. As others have said, be V E R Y careful on any river crossings as the change in temperature as you hit the water can destroy the DPF, and there VERY expensive to replace. This is why I stuck with the 3.6
Truly hope all goes well. Chrysler has a bad history with the diesel. Had a beautiful Grand Cherokee with diesel ran beautifully till I hit the 80K . Then all went to hell. Was in the shop so many times couldn't fix all the things that were going wrong. The Ram 1500 Diesel had the same issue. Wish you luck!
I agree. I ran the eco diesel on a truck. Didn’t save any money. Actually ended up spending more on the ridiculous def fluid and price of diesel. This looks like a mess for off roading.
That front exhaust piece is the DPF and back one after the DEF dosed injector is the SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction). The piece where the injector is mounted on to is the Decomp tube or Decomposition tube.
Not a problem Casey. I am a “wish” Jeep gladiator diesel fanatic. I’ve following every video and update on both the wrangler and gladiator diesels. I am a CUMMINS tech and know a thing or two about them after treatment systems. I’ve been waiting for the JT to come out but lack funds to purchase one since I’m already deep in debt lol. You keep rocking have a good day!
I looked up the weight of the penta star v6 and the 3.0 diesel........ it is only a 135 difference. ...... the weight everyone is comparing is the base 4cyl.......... so it really isn't much. But I do notice one passenger has made exactly 1.5 mpg worse than when I was alone.... great videos thx
Casey .. Great video .. keep going into depth with the diesel jeep. I am going to buy one but not just yet.. still waiting to get more info on any issues...The diesel motor is a must for a jeep .. love that torque .. it makes the driving a blast. Please can you look further into the under body and tell us all what else is an issue in your opinion. Cheers Andy
Metalcloak is in pre-production, some final changes then they will be going to full production. This was posted in jlwranglerforums.com on Wednesday by Cloaked Willy's who is sales and tech support for MetalCloak.
The GVWR is the vehicles weight+ the payload. So if TFL weighed their Diesel Wrangler in at 5080 pounds and the GVWR is 6100, then the payload capacity is 1,020 lbs.
One thing not mentioned and not a HUGE deal is the oil filter is located under that air box. If you do your own changes it requires you to move it to access OR pay about $250 for the dealer to do it for you.
underneath there is the DPF (heatshielded) and the the muffler (protected by the skid plate) . Being in europe we are pretty used to those things, deleting them is a major hurdle and needs tuning and turbo back pressure checks. Keeping them is fine but remember to run your JL on longer runs at higher revs to burn off the soot in the DPF from time to time. the EGR , as stated, is near the intake and not down the exhaust even though a pipe does run from exhaust manifolds to the EGR. Basically the EGR will become sooty and dirty on the long run and is a PITA to maintain...emissions emissions!!! You will also have to check oil level frequently as the EGR plus DPF system does have a tendency to blow unused diesel back down into the crankcase..The joys of modern de-polluted diesels running cold and not long enough...
One of the biggest selling points for the jeep to begin with is the huge aftermarket support and how well jeeps are set up from the factory for offroad-but apparently this doesn't apply to the .ost practical diesel model. -What a massive disappointment! Surely aftermarket will come around, but it will be more expensive and there are so many built-in disadvantages and vulnerabilities to this model, that it makes it a serious no-go for me! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Casey. I've had my diesel for a couple months now and the def tank hanging so low has been my 1st big issue other than the crazy tall gears I love it and hope you do to.
There is a high likelihood everything gets deleted after a while on mine but I realize that isn't an option for everyone. Looking for skid plates in the mean time.
Hindsight, I wish I could RIP out all of my diesel related garbage in my Jl. The rig would truley be awesome without all the extra emission garbage as I love the engine. That said, I dont risk removing it as it's a Felony in the USA. Big bummer for me.
Hey Casey: very insightful video, thanks. Everybody needs to know we are in uncharted territory with this motor in a Jeep. What most of us like to do is modify, now we have some new challenges. My eco diesel gets here on the 4th of May. I can't wait to get started. Please keep us up to date on any thing you find out about suspension lifts for this model.
Thx! Yep, i love the learning and experimenting. I have a Teraflex lift that has not gone in yet, the Falcon shocks have to be redesigned for the diesel, but Teraflex is swapping them. I have regular 3.5in springs that will go in and I can measure ride height. I'll report on the results. I don't mind playing around with configurations and tweaking and helping others. I have no expectations of getting things perfect the first time. 👊👊
@@Casey250 GREAT ATTITUDE!! I'm going with (I think) Metalcloak 3.5 Gamechanger. I spoke with them and they THINK with the dual rate shocks it should be about right and will probably ride a little softer on the road.
Nice video, nice info DID not know about like the fuel tank side swap. And lack of protection on exhaust. It also could be for airflow too to prevent def to get too hot ??
There gvw and payload capacity is flawed on the video you seen. Gvw is the max your Jeep can weigh fully loaded. The "payload" sticker they where referencing is the payload of the tires stock. So the tires on the jeep stock are crap. To get the full gvw out of the jeep you will need to replace those tires with ones that have a higher payload. Hope that clears things up on the GVW and payload that they where talking about.
The wildpeaks are rated for 3197lbs per tire. Full size Ram 2500 drivers use these tires due to their load ratings so I’m confused how they’re crap. I was actually really impressed with their ride quality and only switched to Nittos because I went up to 37s
Very important video, thanks for making it. Makes you wonder if that 9000 $CAN extra for the diesel is worth it. Quite frankly, if you’re not doing a 25 000 km commute each year, I don’t really see the point. Especially since you can’t tow much more. But hey, if you’re going to drive the hell out of it, that diesel is awesome to drive.
does anyone know if wrangler diesel engines are on timing belt or chain?? there 3 diesel engines: those are: 2.8 diesel on JK for European versions only. also 2.2 diesel for JL for European versions only. and finally 3.0 diesel JL for u.s. versions.
As an Ecodiesel owner. There great engine's. But according to manual DON'T EXCEED 8,000 miles on oil changes. Change fuel and air filters every 15,000 miles. And as long as the emissions equipment stays in tact. Clean out EGR diffuser tube about 30,000 miles. And clean the DEF nozzle around 50,000. They will scale up. Its an easy thing to do. Also how the emissions system works is it's a 3 step system. You have EGR first. Then DPF or diesel particulate filter. Then DEF injection then the catalyst. Thay are both in one pice. So the big one right off turbo down tube is DPF. then the next pice back is the DEF injection and SCR or selective catalyst reduction. And the last pice under the skid plate should be a resonator.
I've worked with diesel trucks for 23 years. And love the idea of the economy and power of the light duty diesel engine. I was extremely excited when Ram announced the 3.0 in 2012. And purchased my 2014 Ecodiesel in 2017 with 74k. I've now put 61k on it with very good results. It hasn't let me down, fuel economy has been very good. Especially for a 4x4 crew cab. And towing a 7k camper it gets dubble didgit fuel mileage. Just keep up on maintenance and filters. I also use both fuel and oil additives. On regular basis. And as you can tell by the mileage. This truck gets driven a lot. So to make sure it can do regular regeneration drive it on the highway at least 30 miles once a week if you go lots of short trips. If DPF ever does start to get full or too many regenerations are interupted. There will be a message on EVIC screen. And use Hot Shots secret. It will help to clean it out.
Do not remove the egr diffuser tube to clean, it is absolutely pointless as you are knocking spot into your intake and it provides no added benefit. Oil can go way past 8k miles, 10-12 easily.
I really like the diesel, especially because the 4dr weighs more than 2dr. But i don't like all the EPA required emissions and the exhaust fluid requirement etc. I'm still waiting to order my jl but waiting for 2022 orders begin. Really thinking about the dieselt or to go with xtreme recon package.
Nice video Casey. I’m very excited for this build! Your gvwr is the maximum your vehicle weighs (should weigh) with cargo and passengers. So if you subtract the 850lb cargo capacity you should get the jeeps weight.
Casey 250 I just checked out their video. I see what you mean. That wrangler even had the hard top too. Maybe you get to carry a little extra weight? That would definitely be a good thing for a trail rig with all that extra gear! I guess you’ll have to do a weigh in video😂. Thanks Casey love the channel 👍
ok. thanks for the quick walk around! there's *quite* a bit of difference there, huh? unfortunately, it'll take a hot sec for companies to catch up to what's currently available for the JLs & especially the JK's! i don't know if i'm sold on the diesel as of yet...
Also with diesel option they actually give you a 18.3 gallons fuel tank vs the original 21.5 which is small by it self.Such a dowgrade 😞 This alone stops me from buying one( gladiator)
My 2013 Passat TDI used DEF. And yes, it got about 5 gal's per 10k miles. to be honest, you never really paid much attention to it but I did always carry a small 2ltr bottle of the stuff just in case. VW's would still run if it was empty, but if you shut if off, it wouldn't start. These are not your "dads" diesels. And after VW's dieselgate, I was worried about future costs so, we sold it back though it was all paid for and only 3 years old. Got most of my money back including the 10 year/120k mile bumper/bumper warranty but wanted to car to be one of the kids cars. Just lost my confidence. I miss it. 60mpg hwy, mid 40's city on a good day. AND, I've not heard anything good about putting K&N filters in a diesel. At least not VW's.
This is the reason I got rid of my eco diesel truck. Didn’t think it’d be a big deal but gets real annoying real fast. And no it does not last 10,000 miles.
Yap think the Gas looks like the better deal when I seen how the underneath of your chassis 😉👍. Looks like Gas overall is easier to modify and work on.
the DEF tank sure is a disappointment. hopefully someone comes out with a smaller one that is stuffed up inside. Having to add DEF more often would be a better trade off to better clearance. My 3.6L Jl stock exhaust got beat up pretty bad and it's almost flush. I full delete seems like it's a must do for where we live so many things to potentially get damaged.
In an upcoming video, can you touch a bit about the fuel filter/maintenance? Getting delivery of my Sahara JL today, and reading the manual online gets me a bit perplex.
Hey Casey also have a closer look at the driveshaft and give us your opinion... it seems very minimal. I also saw a video where the owner of a ecodiesel jeep installed a TRIBE made rear skid plate which covers def tank and muffler. Thanks Andy
The egr/dpf emissions system in the engine is really bad. EGR cooler is known to leak and when it does it becomes a fire hazard and turns that jeep into a ticking time bomb. That engine is best with an egr/DPF delete and tune. But if one chooses to leave those in, watch the coolant levels and if you notice any coolant leaking then get the emissions system checked out right away. And any engine light related to the emissions system is not to be ignored.
Anybody have a real world DEF use number? FCA says 10k miles per refill but, I think that's an overestimate. What I've heard typically is 1gal of DEF per 1,000 miles.
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First mod id do is delete that DEF system so i can get the power, mpg, and an actual healthy engine without it killing its self every time you press the gas
@@buffalobmf I never said anything about tuning. You made a correlation between def and reducing power and mpg which are not one in the same. You’re not going to get more power/mpgs from simply not having the vehicle not use def. Now deleting the egr and tuning the ecu will increase power/ mpg but simply tuning the vehicle to not use def will not.
On the GVWR vs Payload discrepancy you noted, I wonder if they had a full tank of diesel or not. At 7lbs per gallon, there is a decent different between having a full tank of gas and an empty tanks. I’d assume the payload is calculated assuming full tanks of DEF and Diesel, so if they weren’t topped off that could count for some of the difference.
They said it was. My guess is the payload is the same across ecodiesel jlu's but they use the heaviest specd trim which is probably the power hard top. I want to weigh mine with the soft top.
@@Casey250 I didn't think about the different roof configurations, I bet you're right. It always surprising how mush weigh configurations differences can contribute to. I calculate payload for custom utility trucks as part of my job and we always take into account Diesel, DEF and Hydraulic fluids so that was my first thought.
Casey 250 nice rig and just started watching some of your videos. Grew up in Victoria ( colwood) bought a brand new 1981Toyota pickup 4wd and was wrecking it in the woods and hills immediately. There was lots of places close , highlands, harbour view , Sooke hills etc
YOUR THOUGHTS ON MY 2019 JL 3.6 RUBICON MOPAR LIFT ON MY 2020 ECO DIESEL RUBICON ADDING A .05 OR .75 COIL SPACER UP FRONT SO IT SITS LEVEL MY MECHANIC SAID SOULD BE FINE HE INSTALLED THE 2019 LIFT I TRADED IN THAT RUBICON AND KEPT THE LIFT CHIME IN PLEASE
Casey 250--I just acquired a 2020 Wrangler JL Willys with the diesel. Any plans to do a series of maintenance videos? Oil change, fuel filter change, etc?
Question for you Casey. I am ordering one in a month or so for a Overland build. Are you finding any changes in body specs for the basic aftermarket things like Rock Rails Ect. in my searching no one is yet classifying these types of parts & accessories in or for the JL EcoDiesel. I know the lift kit/shock issue, thanks to your vids....But I am wondering about Frame Mounted or Body Mounted parts...Thanks Man, Keep the vids coming.
your GVWR is the gross vehicle weight rating. So take the weight of your jeep, add all fuel and DEF and your payload covers how much you can carry including passenger weight. That sum should not exceed the GVWR.
Excellent video!! Thanks for the info! Still debating whether or not to get the gas or diesel gladiator...🤔 How do you like the new ride overall? Still glad you got the diesel?
I love the diesel but it isn't for everyone and will have some challenges I am sure by being the first model year but I like figuring things out, wrenching, and it isn't my daily driver so i can afford to be down.
Wow it has a 6000+ lbs gvwr, meaning it can be a tax deduction for self employed or business owners. I could be wrong, but that makes the net cost after taxes, cheaper than the gas options...in the USA of course
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Oil change recommended mileage - cut that in half.
Never drive thru cold river - that converter below works on 400+ Celsius and it's made out of platinum inside. Imagine steel burning hot sprinkled with water.
After driving never shut engine,leave it to run at least minute or some more at idle, for cooling the bearing in turbo.
Be cautious with timing belt.
At least once per week go to highway,drop it in manual and drive in higher rpm ( above 3000 ) for few minutes.
I can say a lot more but this is basic. We have this engine in Europe for decades and we know issues that comes with it.
PS. That catalytic converter and dpf furnace is installed way off. It should be just behind turbo. But I see that there's no space in Wrangler.
Man I wish you all the best
Thx for the info!
@@Casey250 , I'm just sharing my experience with it, don't want to sound like some smartass asshole 😂.
One more thing,that engine hates low quality fuel,if there's high sulphur in fuel it causes high carbonization on injectors outlets,piston surface,outlet valves and on VGT impeller in turbo housing.
We put ATF oil ( one liter per full tank of fuel, so...60-80 liters fuel-1 liter ATF ) ,it helps with cleaning of internals and gives more viscosity to "dry" diesel fuel.
Not saying that you have to do that,because maybe they changed some parts on engine due to difference of market compared to Europe. And we have really clean fuel,but we also have issues.
Example,if we do off-road drives we change oil after 2000-3000 kilometers. If it's mixed 50-50 road off road,we change before 7500 km. If it's only road use we change from 10-15 thousand km. All with high quality oil available,Mobil 1,Castrol,or in case of Fiat group Selenia is recommended,or Agip/Eni.
@William Cooper ,here to share ✌️.
Btw,I forget to mention, ATF in fuel,every 3-4th time full fill up. Not every time.
You guys in US/Canada market are running on gasoline engines for ages while we in Europe are more on diesels. It's rare to see Mercedes, BMW, Audi or VW here with gas engine. Mostly diesel up to 3.0l straight or V configuration.
And we always run away from diesel made in Italy 😁😉
Is everything you say here specified by Jeep? I am sure they would tell the buyers all this..
@@efibendor1 ,yes they would tell,like McDonald's would tell that burgers are junk food.
Wasn't saying that Jeep is bad or this engine is bad,just pointing stuff to be aware of. Properly maintened every car can do million miles ✌️
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I am a 2022 Rubicon diesel. I have steel front and rear bumpers, front winches, WARN 10-S lower skid plates and 35 inch tires behind. I have run 8000 miles in 2 months.Everything's fine and it's a lot smoother than it used to be, 70 miles per hour, 25 miles per gallon on the highway
I ordered my 2022 Jeep Wrangler Ecodiesel in October 2021 and still being built! Cant wait to receive it! Ur videos helped me alot with this purchase
I’m sure the eco diesel is a complete beast deleted and tuned. Gotta wait for the warranty to expire...
Unpopular Patriot Why wait? I think emission systems are warranted for a loooong time. Gotta pay to play.
In the USA, goodluck getting any shop to do a delete, and if you do it yourself, goodluck getting tuning for the delete. The EPA came down hard on all tuners and shops circumventing emission systems on diesel vehicles. You can go through Canadian companies. It's a bit less convenient.
does anyone know if wrangler diesel engines are on timing belt or chain?? there 3 diesel engines: those are: 2.8 diesel on JK for European versions only. also 2.2 diesel for JL for European versions only. and finally 3.0 diesel JL for u.s. versions.
@@johnreno8909 Chain-driven, dual overhead camshafts drive four valves per cylinder.
@@johnreno8909 actually I have a 2.8 CRD Liberty and I live in America. It's the VM Motori italian tractor motor
Here in Europe you can run an extra LPG-installation (sort of natural gas tank) to the 3.6 pentastar motor for extra range in kilometers. You can run the engine on petrol or (sort of) natural gas.
I’m liking these informative videos on the diesel. Keep it up!
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback. Trying to do 1 video a week with stuff going on, mods or adventures that takes a lot of editing, and 1 video a week with low editing and sharing information or experiences ive had.
Just bought a 2021 JKL unlimited Willys with the diesel. New to diesel and this video is great and informative.
How ya liking it? I'm thinking of buying one.
Thanks for the update Casey. It looks like you have your work cut out for you to adequately protect that undercarriage! Really looking forward to upcoming developments!! Stay safe bro!
Def needs some skids.
That “EGR” is your catalyst.
I think Casey250 was referring to the EGR pipe coming from the back of the DPF which is housed just downstream of the OXICAT . Further downstream of the urea injector is the selective catalytic reduction catalyst .
*shrug* could of been. Lol
I bought a Gladiator Mojave 3.6 before JLUR diesel and sold it in 5 days. The gas mileage is amazing. It's close to my Raptor gas mileage.
I’m diesel enthusiast and was excited when Jeep came out with one in a wrangler but yes us is cracking down on emissions and I feel like that’s a lot of emissions hardware potentially getting damaged and in my experiences how long until the system gets clogged, go bad etc and need to replace sensors at 300$ a pop. All in all the emissions are ruining diesels or at least taking the reliability out and causing unnecessary money and repairs. Thanks for video glad to get more info before buying
I hear ya. Happy to be reporting my experiences. I will absolutely be putting out videos whether good or bad with my experiences on this power plant.
Teraflex lift kit for the diesel may be come out in July
Obviously there needs to be lots of eco diesel specific aftermarket parts.
A lot of parts vendors haven't defined a motor option in their parts up till now, but their parts won't fit a Ecodiesel.
With that in mind, we diesel owners need to press the aftermarket companies. Email, FB posts asking when will components be available. Early on, this is to be expected, but eventually they’ll make the engineering/design mods and will want to take our hard earned money away. Let’s let them know!
Idk about the states but in my country rarely a 4wd in petrol. Most are happy with the diesel because diesel is cheaper despite not as fuel efficient as petrol so the scale balances out. The only petrol 4wd I know are landcruisers.
Oh man. This vid just talked me out of the diesel.
To late for me just bought a 2021 turbo diesel lol, but I have lifetime bumper to bumper, GOD is good..
@@earlthomas9683 Amen!!
I just bought a 2021 Wrangler Sport Unlimited Altitude diesel, I love it! Lifetime warranty as well!
Who sells the lifetime warranty?
@@earlthomas9683 a warranty is only as good as the fine print
From front to back on exhaust. DPF filter tube coming off back of it low pressure EGR. Aka the clean egr. Pre dpf egr is where the soot clogs the intake. So DPF after that is SCR injector aka diesel exhaust fluid. Then SCR filter. Selective catalyst reduction. Then tail pipe.
Thanks - i've been reading lots about diesels to try to figure them out a bit better.
FYI: The DEF tank skid plate was designed to support >50% the vehicle's weight. Feel free to drop the ass of your Jeep onto a log or something and it should be fine.
Also, the underbody portion: the portion forward in car that you pointed to was the diesel particulate filter (DPF) and the one to the rear was the selective catalytic reduction (SCR) catalyst. (The little thing with the reflective hood that plugs into the exhaust is the DEF injector)
Glad to see that they put a old fuel cap on, my 16 ecodiesel ram has this strange fillup that dosent need a cap. I bought a set for 20 bucks on Amazon which is a cap for both.
So I have a Excursion so I have to super mindful on everything I buy. I have to have the towing aspect but also want offroading. A f350 blocks and springs give me a higher weights And a 3 and half inch lift. With billstein 5100s. Just did the steering with Moog. My gvwr is 8900 lbs. But limited by springs only. Trying to do a lot of offroading this winter. Well snow wheeling. Been preparing all summer for winter lmao
Loving the videos, but the DPF on the Diesel is a nightmare, they are unreliable, can faill, and if they get clogged up you will go into limp mode and need jeep to clear it. As others have said, be V E R Y careful on any river crossings as the change in temperature as you hit the water can destroy the DPF, and there VERY expensive to replace. This is why I stuck with the 3.6
Just need to make sure it gets a chance to do a burnoff.. they used this setup in France for years now due to the strict emissions regulations.
Truly hope all goes well. Chrysler has a bad history with the diesel. Had a beautiful Grand Cherokee with diesel ran beautifully till I hit the 80K . Then all went to hell. Was in the shop so many times couldn't fix all the things that were going wrong. The Ram 1500 Diesel had the same issue. Wish you luck!
After seeing this video, it made me realize that getting the gas engine might be an overall better choice. Not a whole lot of room for improvements.
Jake even the eTorque version?
I agree. I ran the eco diesel on a truck. Didn’t save any money. Actually ended up spending more on the ridiculous def fluid and price of diesel. This looks like a mess for off roading.
That front exhaust piece is the DPF and back one after the DEF dosed injector is the SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction). The piece where the injector is mounted on to is the Decomp tube or Decomposition tube.
Thanks for the info! So much to learn.
Not a problem Casey. I am a “wish” Jeep gladiator diesel fanatic. I’ve following every video and update on both the wrangler and gladiator diesels. I am a CUMMINS tech and know a thing or two about them after treatment systems. I’ve been waiting for the JT to come out but lack funds to purchase one since I’m already deep in debt lol. You keep rocking have a good day!
I looked up the weight of the penta star v6 and the 3.0 diesel........ it is only a 135 difference. ...... the weight everyone is comparing is the base 4cyl.......... so it really isn't much. But I do notice one passenger has made exactly 1.5 mpg worse than when I was alone.... great videos thx
Always thankful for your channel and information.
Appreciate the comment! 👊
your EGR is on the intake on top of the motor and what you see is the DPF before the catalytic converter.
Just a beautiful Jeep. Can't wait to see how you modify it.
Thank you! Be lots of modding videos coming since I can't travel far for offroad vlogs.
Good coverage, one comment about "payload weight" and mods. Heavier wheels and tires are UN-suspended weight and have no effect on load carrying.
They do impact your total weight against your gvwr which impacts your payload capacity.
Casey .. Great video .. keep going into depth with the diesel jeep. I am going to buy one but not just yet.. still waiting to get more info on any issues...The diesel motor is a must for a jeep .. love that torque .. it makes the driving a blast. Please can you look further into the under body and tell us all what else is an issue in your opinion.
Cheers Andy
Great info! Currently looking for aftermarket skid plates as well, for my Eco Diesel.
Hit me up if you find something.
Metalcloak is in pre-production, some final changes then they will be going to full production. This was posted in jlwranglerforums.com on Wednesday by Cloaked Willy's who is sales and tech support for MetalCloak.
The range is so tempting... but the complexity is making me wonder if my JT should just be an old fashioned gasser.
Fair points. A huge part of me wanting the diesel is trying something different and reporting to you guys my experience.
I'm really excited to see all the mods that you wind up doing on this ecodiesel
Thx! Slow and steady, and I'll get there.
The GVWR is the vehicles weight+ the payload. So if TFL weighed their Diesel Wrangler in at 5080 pounds and the GVWR is 6100, then the payload capacity is 1,020 lbs.
One thing not mentioned and not a HUGE deal is the oil filter is located under that air box. If you do your own changes it requires you to move it to access OR pay about $250 for the dealer to do it for you.
I need to change the oil when I get home. i hear the filter is $90 alone from dealer.
Thanks for sharing such an honest review. Hope it all works for you, but I think I will stick with gas.
No problem. Diesel isn't for everyone.
underneath there is the DPF (heatshielded) and the the muffler (protected by the skid plate) . Being in europe we are pretty used to those things, deleting them is a major hurdle and needs tuning and turbo back pressure checks. Keeping them is fine but remember to run your JL on longer runs at higher revs to burn off the soot in the DPF from time to time. the EGR , as stated, is near the intake and not down the exhaust even though a pipe does run from exhaust manifolds to the EGR. Basically the EGR will become sooty and dirty on the long run and is a PITA to maintain...emissions emissions!!! You will also have to check oil level frequently as the EGR plus DPF system does have a tendency to blow unused diesel back down into the crankcase..The joys of modern de-polluted diesels running cold and not long enough...
Thx i really appreciate the info. Trying to learn as much as i can, never owned a diesel before.
in the gas version of the JL the battery and fuse bank are reversed that's why there in no problems with the falcon shocks
Ah!!
One of the biggest selling points for the jeep to begin with is the huge aftermarket support and how well jeeps are set up from the factory for offroad-but apparently this doesn't apply to the .ost practical diesel model. -What a massive disappointment! Surely aftermarket will come around, but it will be more expensive and there are so many built-in disadvantages and vulnerabilities to this model, that it makes it a serious no-go for me! Thank you for sharing.
loving the channel keep up the great work.
Thank you!!
Thanks Casey. I've had my diesel for a couple months now and the def tank hanging so low has been my 1st big issue other than the crazy tall gears I love it and hope you do to.
There is a high likelihood everything gets deleted after a while on mine but I realize that isn't an option for everyone. Looking for skid plates in the mean time.
Hindsight, I wish I could RIP out all of my diesel related garbage in my Jl. The rig would truley be awesome without all the extra emission garbage as I love the engine. That said, I dont risk removing it as it's a Felony in the USA. Big bummer for me.
Another great video! Keep em coming!
Thanks Rock Mclean!
Amazing video. Lots of good info that a lot of people forget to talk about. Thanks 👍🏽
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Casey: very insightful video, thanks. Everybody needs to know we are in uncharted territory with this motor in a Jeep. What most of us like to do is modify, now we have some new challenges. My eco diesel gets here on the 4th of May. I can't wait to get started. Please keep us up to date on any thing you find out about suspension lifts for this model.
Thx! Yep, i love the learning and experimenting. I have a Teraflex lift that has not gone in yet, the Falcon shocks have to be redesigned for the diesel, but Teraflex is swapping them. I have regular 3.5in springs that will go in and I can measure ride height. I'll report on the results. I don't mind playing around with configurations and tweaking and helping others. I have no expectations of getting things perfect the first time. 👊👊
@@Casey250 GREAT ATTITUDE!! I'm going with (I think) Metalcloak 3.5 Gamechanger. I spoke with them and they THINK with the dual rate shocks it should be about right and will probably ride a little softer on the road.
Nice video, nice info DID not know about like the fuel tank side swap.
And lack of protection on exhaust. It also could be for airflow too to prevent def to get too hot ??
Interesting thought
EGR system is mounted to the engine. The ATS is mounted horizontally under the vehicle...
There gvw and payload capacity is flawed on the video you seen. Gvw is the max your Jeep can weigh fully loaded. The "payload" sticker they where referencing is the payload of the tires stock.
So the tires on the jeep stock are crap. To get the full gvw out of the jeep you will need to replace those tires with ones that have a higher payload.
Hope that clears things up on the GVW and payload that they where talking about.
The wildpeaks are rated for 3197lbs per tire. Full size Ram 2500 drivers use these tires due to their load ratings so I’m confused how they’re crap. I was actually really impressed with their ride quality and only switched to Nittos because I went up to 37s
I have the new 2021 unlimited Rubicon eco Diesel I got to around 3000 miles before I needed to add DEF so that 10,000 miles is bs
Ya its more like 10,000 km.
oil changes are expensive due to the special cartridge oil filter about $200 in just filter and oil
Watch my next video next week... Oil change time
Compare gas vs desiel mpg then whine. :(
Pretty cool all the things different with the diesel. And heck ya dana 44.
Very important video, thanks for making it. Makes you wonder if that 9000 $CAN extra for the diesel is worth it. Quite frankly, if you’re not doing a 25 000 km commute each year, I don’t really see the point. Especially since you can’t tow much more. But hey, if you’re going to drive the hell out of it, that diesel is awesome to drive.
does anyone know if wrangler diesel engines are on timing belt or chain?? there 3 diesel engines: those are: 2.8 diesel on JK for European versions only. also 2.2 diesel for JL for European versions only. and finally 3.0 diesel JL for u.s. versions.
As an Ecodiesel owner. There great engine's. But according to manual DON'T EXCEED 8,000 miles on oil changes. Change fuel and air filters every 15,000 miles. And as long as the emissions equipment stays in tact. Clean out EGR diffuser tube about 30,000 miles. And clean the DEF nozzle around 50,000. They will scale up. Its an easy thing to do. Also how the emissions system works is it's a 3 step system. You have EGR first. Then DPF or diesel particulate filter. Then DEF injection then the catalyst. Thay are both in one pice. So the big one right off turbo down tube is DPF. then the next pice back is the DEF injection and SCR or selective catalyst reduction. And the last pice under the skid plate should be a resonator.
Thank you for taking the time to give all the tips.
I've worked with diesel trucks for 23 years. And love the idea of the economy and power of the light duty diesel engine. I was extremely excited when Ram announced the 3.0 in 2012. And purchased my 2014 Ecodiesel in 2017 with 74k. I've now put 61k on it with very good results. It hasn't let me down, fuel economy has been very good. Especially for a 4x4 crew cab. And towing a 7k camper it gets dubble didgit fuel mileage. Just keep up on maintenance and filters. I also use both fuel and oil additives. On regular basis. And as you can tell by the mileage. This truck gets driven a lot. So to make sure it can do regular regeneration drive it on the highway at least 30 miles once a week if you go lots of short trips. If DPF ever does start to get full or too many regenerations are interupted. There will be a message on EVIC screen. And use Hot Shots secret. It will help to clean it out.
Do not remove the egr diffuser tube to clean, it is absolutely pointless as you are knocking spot into your intake and it provides no added benefit. Oil can go way past 8k miles, 10-12 easily.
I really like the diesel, especially because the 4dr weighs more than 2dr. But i don't like all the EPA required emissions and the exhaust fluid requirement etc. I'm still waiting to order my jl but waiting for 2022 orders begin. Really thinking about the dieselt or to go with xtreme recon package.
Nice video Casey. I’m very excited for this build! Your gvwr is the maximum your vehicle weighs (should weigh) with cargo and passengers. So if you subtract the 850lb cargo capacity you should get the jeeps weight.
Ya that was what TFLNow was noticing, that the two didn't add up.
Casey 250 I just checked out their video. I see what you mean. That wrangler even had the hard top too. Maybe you get to carry a little extra weight? That would definitely be a good thing for a trail rig with all that extra gear! I guess you’ll have to do a weigh in video😂. Thanks Casey love the channel 👍
ok. thanks for the quick walk around! there's *quite* a bit of difference there, huh? unfortunately, it'll take a hot sec for companies to catch up to what's currently available for the JLs & especially the JK's! i don't know if i'm sold on the diesel as of yet...
You bet! It is definitely in the 'early adopter' phase. I like figuring things out and working with vendors on their new products.
Also with diesel option they actually give you a 18.3 gallons fuel tank vs the original 21.5 which is small by it self.Such a dowgrade 😞 This alone stops me from buying one( gladiator)
I still get a lot more range on and off road then a gas model.
My 2013 Passat TDI used DEF. And yes, it got about 5 gal's per 10k miles. to be honest, you never really paid much attention to it but I did always carry a small 2ltr bottle of the stuff just in case. VW's would still run if it was empty, but if you shut if off, it wouldn't start. These are not your "dads" diesels. And after VW's dieselgate, I was worried about future costs so, we sold it back though it was all paid for and only 3 years old. Got most of my money back including the 10 year/120k mile bumper/bumper warranty but wanted to car to be one of the kids cars. Just lost my confidence. I miss it. 60mpg hwy, mid 40's city on a good day. AND, I've not heard anything good about putting K&N filters in a diesel. At least not VW's.
This is the reason I got rid of my eco diesel truck. Didn’t think it’d be a big deal but gets real annoying real fast. And no it does not last 10,000 miles.
Is there room for an aux fuel tank?
Yap think the Gas looks like the better deal when I seen how the underneath of your chassis 😉👍. Looks like Gas overall is easier to modify and work on.
It has its ups and downs. The etorque system that is available on the gas has a lot of stuff underneath too.
sucks that diesels aren’t allowed where i live :(
Sorry to hear.
Where would that be. Just curious
the DEF tank sure is a disappointment. hopefully someone comes out with a smaller one that is stuffed up inside. Having to add DEF more often would be a better trade off to better clearance. My 3.6L Jl stock exhaust got beat up pretty bad and it's almost flush. I full delete seems like it's a must do for where we live so many things to potentially get damaged.
Ya I agree. Lots of skids or relocations.
In an upcoming video, can you touch a bit about the fuel filter/maintenance? Getting delivery of my Sahara JL today, and reading the manual online gets me a bit perplex.
Expect to spend a lot of time in the shop.
EGR is near the crankcase exhaust
Hey Casey also have a closer look at the driveshaft and give us your opinion... it seems very minimal. I also saw a video where the owner of a ecodiesel jeep installed a TRIBE made rear skid plate which covers def tank and muffler. Thanks Andy
I will. I have an adams front drive shaft on the way. I'll get it up on a hoist soon and have a look around and droop the axles.
The egr/dpf emissions system in the engine is really bad. EGR cooler is known to leak and when it does it becomes a fire hazard and turns that jeep into a ticking time bomb. That engine is best with an egr/DPF delete and tune. But if one chooses to leave those in, watch the coolant levels and if you notice any coolant leaking then get the emissions system checked out right away. And any engine light related to the emissions system is not to be ignored.
Anybody have a real world DEF use number? FCA says 10k miles per refill but, I think that's an overestimate. What I've heard typically is 1gal of DEF per 1,000 miles.
I get 8k to 10k km a tank (2 jugs). Maybe a bit less if its a lot of offroading.
I go out my way to watch your new posted videso because I like them. And just like you said I was never subscribed. I fixed my mistake today. I apologize 🤗
Thanks for subscribing. Appreciate it a lot.
Guess I'll wait awhile pick up a used one and do a delete and tune.
i just want the eco diesel to stay in the GC. but no two years now no eco diesel
First mod id do is delete that DEF system so i can get the power, mpg, and an actual healthy engine without it killing its self every time you press the gas
Def has literally nothing to do with the engine mpg or power
The tuning for that system does have a direct effect
@@Ecozzy0123 what you talking about? You have to tune the truck after you delete it. Deleting and tuning are all related and needed
@@buffalobmf I never said anything about tuning. You made a correlation between def and reducing power and mpg which are not one in the same. You’re not going to get more power/mpgs from simply not having the vehicle not use def.
Now deleting the egr and tuning the ecu will increase power/ mpg but simply tuning the vehicle to not use def will not.
@@Ecozzy0123 dude deleting def and tuning go hand to hand. deleting your truck gives you better everything cause tuning it goes hand and hand
Dude that 800# capacity for you keep is going way up with all the mods your getting ie shocks
Well, technically it doesn't as the gvrw never changes. But I agree, mods do support more weight.
On the GVWR vs Payload discrepancy you noted, I wonder if they had a full tank of diesel or not.
At 7lbs per gallon, there is a decent different between having a full tank of gas and an empty tanks. I’d assume the payload is calculated assuming full tanks of DEF and Diesel, so if they weren’t topped off that could count for some of the difference.
They said it was. My guess is the payload is the same across ecodiesel jlu's but they use the heaviest specd trim which is probably the power hard top. I want to weigh mine with the soft top.
@@Casey250 I didn't think about the different roof configurations, I bet you're right. It always surprising how mush weigh configurations differences can contribute to.
I calculate payload for custom utility trucks as part of my job and we always take into account Diesel, DEF and Hydraulic fluids so that was my first thought.
Did they work out all the bugs from the earlier eco diesels , nice jeep and nice seeing your actually taking it off road
I guess we will have to see. It was mostly redesigned for the gen 3 ecodiesel for 2020 wranglers and rams.
Casey 250 nice rig and just started watching some of your videos. Grew up in Victoria ( colwood) bought a brand new 1981Toyota pickup 4wd and was wrecking it in the woods and hills immediately. There was lots of places close , highlands, harbour view , Sooke hills etc
Fun fact those eco diesels are made in Italy and imported to the US.
Yep and then my Jeep was imported to Canada! 😀
The same as the ldv t60 and holden Colorado and both the jeep and ldv have overheating problems here in Australia
Hazardbone Everything has overheating problems In Australia ... including people ...
YOUR THOUGHTS ON MY 2019 JL 3.6 RUBICON MOPAR LIFT ON MY 2020 ECO DIESEL RUBICON ADDING A .05 OR .75 COIL SPACER UP FRONT SO IT SITS LEVEL MY MECHANIC SAID SOULD BE FINE HE INSTALLED THE 2019 LIFT I TRADED IN THAT RUBICON AND KEPT THE LIFT CHIME IN PLEASE
Casey 250--I just acquired a 2020 Wrangler JL Willys with the diesel. Any plans to do a series of maintenance videos? Oil change, fuel filter change, etc?
p.s. I love your videos!
I need to do an oil change thx for reminding me. Of course it will be on video :)
Question for you Casey. I am ordering one in a month or so for a Overland build. Are you finding any changes in body specs for the basic aftermarket things like Rock Rails Ect. in my searching no one is yet classifying these types of parts & accessories in or for the JL EcoDiesel. I know the lift kit/shock issue, thanks to your vids....But I am wondering about Frame Mounted or Body Mounted parts...Thanks Man, Keep the vids coming.
Great video. Just wondering why your LHF sway bar mounting bolts are all the way out?
They aren't.
your GVWR is the gross vehicle weight rating. So take the weight of your jeep, add all fuel and DEF and your payload covers how much you can carry including passenger weight. That sum should not exceed the GVWR.
Question... what oil do you run in the Diesel? Enjoy your channel.
Whatever I find on sale that is eurospec diesel and rated properly.
So as long as it say Chrysler MS-
12991 and API SN Certification/Standard/Approval
Ya know whats funny , my 2006 Jeep Liberty has a payload of 1150 lbs, and new jeep rubicons is so low.
Dang there's almost no room to work in that engine compartment. Is there any room for replacing the spark plugs?
Uhhhhhhh
Compression ignition bud...
It takes a specially made diesel spark plug wrench. They are normally $100 but send me $75 and I'll send you one. 😜
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Modern Diesel engines are famous for DEF problems / issues…which are not cheap!
Enjoy! 👍
So it weighs loaded 6100lbs and it can hold 850lbs. So it weighs about 5250lbs....I believe. I may be mistaken though.
Good vid!
Thx.
Awesome video
Thanks!
should rename video to things i still don't know about my jeep
How when he pointed out things to be aware of ?
thanks for the video
You're welcome
Excellent video!! Thanks for the info! Still debating whether or not to get the gas or diesel gladiator...🤔 How do you like the new ride overall? Still glad you got the diesel?
I love the diesel but it isn't for everyone and will have some challenges I am sure by being the first model year but I like figuring things out, wrenching, and it isn't my daily driver so i can afford to be down.
Casey 250 that extra torque and mpg is outweighing the potential negatives, thanks for the quick response
Wow it has a 6000+ lbs gvwr, meaning it can be a tax deduction for self employed or business owners. I could be wrong, but that makes the net cost after taxes, cheaper than the gas options...in the USA of course
Ya not here in Canada haha.
What's the km range, on the tank of diesel.
If you check out my prior videos when I picked it up I did some fuel range testing on my way home from Alberta.
@@Casey250 ok cool, I'll make sure watch it.
Does anyone know if the ECM on these Diesel Jeeps will be locked I know GMC and Ford are locking them I heard the RAM 2019 is not locked
From my tuners initial inspection the ecu seems to be the same as the new ram Ecodiesel
What's your thoughts on the 4xe wrangler that's coming
I like it! I might make a video on it shortly if I have time.
Can you make it sound like a diesel