2023 Ford F-150 Lightning | Family Review
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- The 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning is a fully electric full-size pickup truck that competes with the Rivian R1T and...eventually...the Tesla Cybertruck. In this video, we drive an F-150 Lightning XLT trim to review its positives and negatives from a family perspective.
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00:00 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning Review
0:18 Information Explosion
0:56 Interior & Safety Features
5:15 Arm Rest Test
5:41 Exterior Review
6:53 Driving Impressions
9:38 Evie Drives
11:27 Emotion Factor
13:45 Infotainment Review
15:20 Batteries, Range, Charging, & Tow Capacity
16:12 Which Lightning trim is best?
17:44 Ford Lightning Competitors
18:17 Synopsis - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Love these family reviews. Nothing says real-world reviews like actual real-world reviews
The review involved his family, but I wouldn't say it's real-world. What about a school drop-off? If a child the same height as his daughter walked in front of it, they wouldn't be seen. 😰
@@faaantastic That would be literally any full size SUV or truck. Plus, if you watched the video, the suggested XLT version of this truck has 360 cameras, so yes, in your very specific "family friendly" scenario, you would be covered.
@@ocman11 agreed this is not a unique case, the camera is also a $2000 optional extra but would people really make use of it each time they pull away?
I have owned 3 Powerstroke Fords, more F150's than I can remember, and currently own a Mustang GT. I bought a "used" Lightning Lariat extended range ( it had 52 miles on it) 6 weeks ago, and it beats all of them. The only thing that I wouldn't do with it is tow my 14000 lb tri-axle enclosed trailer (which I no longer own anyway). It has done "truck stuff" every day since I've owned it. I haul material and/ or pull trailers almost everyday. I charge it at night on a standard 120 outlet. It uses less power than a window air conditioner. When I need a faster charge I go to one of the local charging stations, a couple of which are free. The free stations are at car dealer lots and are open to the public, so no, I'm not "stealing" electricity. It's interesting that everyone who dislikes the lightning has never driven or used one.
Thanks for taking time to comment and providing your experience. I’m currently in a 2018 Platinum 3.5 EB and I’m seriously considering a Lightning for my next truck. They are having trouble selling them (especially here in Florida) so I’m hoping to possibly get SOME deal on one. My local dealer has had the same 5 on their lot for a few weeks. My only hesitation…like almost everyone…is range anxiety. And it’s not really the range per se, gas trucks lose a ton of range when towing, too (nobody acknowledges that when dissing on EVs) but I’m more worried about FINDING a charging station when I really need one. Anyway, sorry for the long reply. Thanks again!
Tesla haters haven’t driven one either. I’d HIGHLY recommend installing a NEMA 14-50 in your garage for faster charging.
Everyone I know who owns a Ford Lightning truck (contractors and even doctors) confessed they are SOLD and will never go back to gas. Loved the video!
The Lightning is the 4th truck I've owned and by far my favorite, it is just so practical (I don't tow far when I do). Excellent review.
I own a 2023 Lightning XLT SR 311a (I paid 59k before delivery/taxes) and this review is spot on. It's the best F150 I've owned, I lose about 80 miles of range when towing my boat so it's not the best but it can get it done if needed in town
And it's also good to be informed that "Current Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for base vehicle. Excludes destination/delivery fee plus government fees and taxes, any finance charges, any dealer processing charge, any electronic filing charge, and any emission testing charge. Optional equipment not included. Starting A, Z and X Plan price is for qualified, eligible customers and excludes document fee, destination/delivery charge, taxes, title and registration. Not all vehicles qualify for A, Z or X Plan. All Mustang Shelby GT350® and Shelby® GT350R prices exclude gas guzzler tax.". This is evolution period and it's not gonna be easy...and it will not last forever! GO FORD!
Always a pleasure to watch Micah & family on the tube. Love review.
When this first got announced it(IMO) was affordable starting at $40k for the based model I put my name on the list. Then the price keep going up and dealers put markups on the vehicles, and its now around 60k for the same based model if you can find one. It's just not really worth it anymore.
Fresh take...as usual in this great vehicle review:)! I really look forward to you and your Family's conversations and great personalities concerning cars! Thank you...
I really REALLY enjoy this thing. I can't stress enough to people how nice it is having a full-sized truck that can do the things the Lightning can do. Sure, it's not perfect, but there's so much to like about it and its daily usefulness. Great review as always. Hope we run into each other at one of the events this summer!
No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
I love this family review dynamic
I've been waiting for this one!
Great review as always!😸
Cool review thanks for sharing.
Great review! Any thoughts on the sound system for music?
Thank you so much for your review. So many times, I see poor review on the F150 EV mostly complaining about the recharge time. But your review was incredibly well detailed and researched. You finally convinced me to get one. Thank you again for your hard work.
$85,000 for an XLT 😯
Ford: "Don't be pour, it's gross!"
@@rkalla "poor"
@@trumpisastump9382 it's a reference to the memes from /r/pfjerk - very entertaining if you have the time :)
@@rkalla XLT is the poor person's trim level. As he mentioned 85k for an XLT... Not going to happen. Trust me you will be able to find these trucks at dealer lots very quickly and not the years later as mentioned in the video.
I’m very confused by the Lariat wheels with the XLT interior. Great review! Love the video’s pace.
Never having had (or needed) a pickup, I kinda want a Lightning! From the frunk to the performance, lots of good stuff! Knob competency should be po problem. If you cannot tell a big knob from a smaller knob simply by feel, you have a serious problem! It is super to have the option to NOT take your eyes off the road to navigate a screen. You handled the range and towing realities with aplomb, demonstrating that EV pickups may not be the best choice for heavy or long haul towing. Hopefully you will test some of the others as they debut.
I have to admit, I do like it, the frunk and other options, but man, they are expensive!
You two did a great job on the practical side of this truck. I was considering buying one but y'all make me want to buy one! 😃Kudos
Glad we could help!
I loved that the unicorn has a safe place in the frunk.
Been waiting for this one
This thing looks amazing.
Wow, is there still that much snow up in Big Bear?!
I'm curiuos to see how these trucks handle off road or camping. If they lose charge just sitting and how you would charge them.
I was on the pre-order list for one of these and after 2 years, removed my name. They've become insanely expensive. I'm not seeing a huge ROI. Until someone can come out with a pickup in the 40-50k range that is nicely appointed with more than "ok" range, I'll stick with the gently used Tesla I opted for instead. I do miss my F150, but I don't miss filling up the 5.0 V8's tank. So far, my Model Y is ticking off all the boxes I need to have ticked for HALF of what I would've paid for the Lightening.
I love how Ford and Ram are making their EV pickups like their gas equivalents, with only just small styling queues. The idea is to not fix what isn't broken, if you make it too different, it requires more expensive parts, because they're bespoke to the vehicle. My only issue is cost, up here in Canada, the lightning is almost as expensive as the Rivian starting in the early $80K range, which makes it not eligible for the federal tax credit. Some provincial will likely still have it, but the main Federal one, has a cap that states the vehicle must start below $55K, and caps out at $65K CAD.
No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
@@zoobrizz I think you missed a few comments while copy pasting this response
Just had a power outage & now $10 grand for a built-in, full auto home genset sounds pretty good....
As a Tesla fan I must say this is a really great review! I'm very surprised you don't have more views on this. Do most F150 owners know about all these benefits of the EV version? I highly doubt it. But it's great and the future looks very bright at Ford IF they can properly start letting people know about how great this car is and keep producing them at high levels..
It really looks like Tesla is in trouble because the crazy looking truck isn't to most folks tastes thats for sure..
Micah I truly look forward to each week and this week was one I was waiting for. My wife works for Ford and even with her discount I would have to sell a kidney and possibly a testicle to be able to afford this. I will oneday own an EV and it will be a Ford, before she retires and we lose her discount but this was one on my list. Also the the hybrid Escape. I have a 2021 Escape SE AWD and love it but wish the infotainment screen and dash cluster were digital for the dash and bigger for the infotainment. Keep up the great videos. Say hi to the wife and kiddo and I would love to meet you all if I ever make it to California and if you ever make it To St Louis I will show you around town. Be Safe.
Does this vehicle's 1-Pedal drive mode activate the brake lights on the automatic regen braking? There was a complaint that Hyundai/Kias don't activate the brake light when they decelerate.
Yes it does.
How much is insurance per year?
May still be hard to buy a new one but there are Lightnings available on the used market now.
Anyone had a regular range and content ? I am debating weather buy the extended range. ( living in cold climate)
So I ordered this year and it will go in production by august. Ford is stepping up production. Also you can get the extended range XLT for 79k, qualifying for government rebate.
No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
@@zoobrizz They have Valium for anxiety.
Do the break lights come on during one pedal driving?
They do.
My neighbor has a lightning, he tows a RV about the size of a Sprinter van . He cant go over 50 miles without a charge. Its been about 50-60 degrees here. He isnt happy with it.
This is something he should've already known or asked the 'stealership' about. This truck is great for around town deliveries and use and now--since the government enticed Tesla to make their superchargers available for all EVs (i.e. monetary incentives)--even long distance traveling.
I wonder what is wrong with his? This makes no sense. Does he have the small batter and only charges it to 60%
@@gregkramer5588no, it’s cold and he’s towing lol
Both are very problematic for an EV.
That reminds me of when my neighbor ttried to tow his Airstream with his new Ford Courier. That also seermed like a poor choice...
@@gregkramer5588 You can't do simple math? Or did you really believe the consumption figures of the government, the manufacturers and all the other pro-EV fraudulent scammers like the bloggers? Did you really think they told you the full truth when they omitted many factors which affect an EVs range drastically?
-Temperature affects the battery, it has to be at optimum temperature to work properly
-The battery can overheat in use
-The battery can get too cold even when driving
-Even after just sitting for long enough the EV has to use the battery's energy to heat up the battery simply for a normal drive
-Temperature also affects charging, both speed it's able to charge at and also the losses of energy during charging. They can be absolutely horrendous effects! Especially when fast charging
-The car uses huge amounts of energy preparing for fast charging. For example Teslas can use constant 7kW for over 30 minutes (most of it before charging and some of it during charging)
-The heating up or cooling of the vehicle's cabin uses significant amounts of energy. An EVs heater and air-con are very inefficient
-EVs consume massively more than is promised in the published figures when speeds go up. Easily double when you get up to highway speeds.
-EVs consume massively more when towing of course too.
Most if not all of the above is OMITTED from the official figures. And in the corrupt government&activist misinformation. They pretend all of that doesn't exist.
This is some EV basics for you. I hope you understand how little you know about the subject before you return to arguing with people who are experts.
Do they even make the pro model anymore
Fisker's bringing out electric truck. I'm interested 😁
Does the “power your house” concept actually work in the lightning? Because in the powerboost F150s with the 7.2kw pro power onboard, they’ve got a dummy-proof grounding setup that makes it impossible to use with a traditional generator hookup. Common complaint online, but of course I learned that after I bought it.
The secret is to get a neutral switching transfer switch like the Generac HomeKit, then it works like a champ!
@@bowefamilyEV yep. won't work with a standard hookup. Annoying, going to have to re-do my setup.
@@cnkirch1215 There is a little trick you can do by pulling the ground wire from the back of the inlet plug It removes the conflict. That's not something that is up to code but it does work.
Fix Or Recharge Daily
Hilarious after watching this video prices have dropped like a rock and inventory is every with incentives to purchase. Amazing what a bad winter will do. I'm excited as I'm now looking to get one. Used 22 lariat for $45k. Talk about taking a bath
It is amazing how much has changed since our video.
A cool truck, I really love the review. But, alas, I'm never going to pay the dealer gouging that Ford dealers have become (in)famous for. I don't need a truck that bad, and efficient ICE sedans and hybrid SUVs are all I see in my future. Keep up the videos, I love to see what I'm missing out on!
2:30 I'm dying ahahaha
That is a very sweet truck....it gets up to speed swiftly!
Automakers have gotten creative with available features...well done☝
Thanks for your review.
Knobs so that you don't have to take your eyes off the road to control things-it is about time someone did that!
Should note now that prices have dropped again, and you can get up to a Lariat trim with extended range battery and still squeak under the tax credit limit.
I love my 12 year old F150, but my wife hates driving it and I don’t need that much towing/payload capability anymore. If this was ranger size it would have been in my driveway by now. Still capable, easily parked, my wife wouldn’t mind using it when I need to use her gas car.
I Love lighting in every way I wish they go a lot more distant. Other than that I lot it
Yes. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
@@zoobrizz Such an anxious person. You need to relax.
The emotion factor appears to be sheer panic. :)
I used to really love watching car reviews but it just doesn’t hit the same when you know good and damn well that everything you’re watching is extremely unaffordable and overpriced😢
Same here bro
Love my Lightning .All you need now is a lightning helicopter
Junk. No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
Ford announcement that their electric vehicles are shipping with CCS to Tesla charge plug adapter and then in 2025 their vehicles will have a Tesla charge connector instead of CCS. That shakes up the CCS charging station rollouts. Big news.
Sure wish I’d gotten one for $40k when they first came out.
Interesting presentation, but I really don't need an electric pickup truck.
Btw, contractors have to deal with huge amounts of paperwork...all government issued!
Yes I like it but it's 30,000 dollars to expensive 😢!
That’s a very nice oversized Prius. Can it do pickup truck things as well as a basic gas engined pickup truck? Nope, not close.
R.I.P to that 🐿️
What's the recall count on this thing up to now?
One. Hope that answers your somewhat snarky question.
@@lego4virgo Hey, relax. It was a fair question. Ford has been dealing out recall notices like a deck of cards lately. The FIX OR REPAIR DAILY brand is up to their old tricks again with nearly every model they sell.
@@differencemaker242 True, and as a FORD owner, I've received my few--but it just seemed like a snark comment to me, when a quick Google search would've already given you the answer. To be fair, it is a pretty horrendous recall--battery pack catching fire.
@lego4virgo It was, I admit but for good reason. Now people know that there is a potentially SUPER DANGEROUS situation with this truck. Thank you.
@@differencemaker242 I had a chevy 5.3 that blew its headgasket. I scraped it and kept my 302.
Is this the most expensive vehicle with cloth seats you've ever tested? It's really a shame how expensive these got. It's an amazing car that no one without a business write-off can afford.
There actually failing to sell there are lots of F-150 Lightning sat on car dealership that nobody's buying, because it's so expensive and it's not just F-150 Lightning ice Vehicles as well one guy on CZcams Just sold his F-150 Lightning pretty much the same model that you were driving it cost $88,000 CarMax would only offer him 64,000 Ford would only offer him 74,000 in the end he was able to sell it for $80,000 and the reason he sold it was charging if he was going on long trips charging was a problem and the software integration issues they're a great truck and Ford should have made more Pro Models which would have made it more affordable for people to buy and not the higher end models and the problem with dealer markups did not help
83k for an xlt ffs ford make electric vehicles affordable 😂😂
Yeah. We were thinking of one but too expensive for a extended range.
@@didiermejia780 ...and imagine the ecological disaster of those vehicles with their huge batteries!! Incredible CO2-emissions!
Haha, my other response isn't visible here? CZcams is an evil paid-off misinformation vehicle.
@@pistonburner6448 nope... Its chemical cocktails inside battery 🔋🔋 🔋 are poisonous and corrosive for earth...
Lest we talk about fire break out... No amount of water ,sand & co² could put down those flames in minutes because of high energy density...
Yeah, good luck with that! Heck, even a standard F-150 is way overpriced. Then again, that's pretty much a lot of vehicles in this segment.
@@lego4virgo that is true, ultimately we are going to wait until the ram EV and Chevy EV are released. Ford will probably lower the price or offer more truck.
I still think folding shifter is dumb, the F250/F350 etc all have column shifters and can have fold flat center consoles too. Plus the lightning you can't brodozer shift it anyways.
I think F-150 owners may be used to a certain style shifter vs F-250/F-350 owners, so they won't mess with that formula.
Enjoyable review. Spoke to 2 Lightning owners who loved it, and will never go back to gas.
That's before the tax bill hits them for all the costs from EVs and skyrocketing electricity prices too. They haven't even paid for the recycling of the battery. (We do that even for tires, but suddenly not EV batteries? That's how we know with 100% certainty that the EV thing is a scam.)
@Pistonburner You said skyrocketing gas and oil prices? I feel ya. Electricity is cheap. Oil is a finite resource, and once this sinks in the real scam is right in front of your face, and gets the best of you if you still keep promoting oil.
@@BurrQ19 Excuse me what? Did you actually have a point you wanted to make within that childish snark-filled sarcasm-bomb? I certainly didn't see any point or any true statements in your reply.
Just to be clear you are lying about me having said anything about skyrocketing "gas and oil" prices. That doesn't exist, that is a false statement you made because you apparently are unable to hold up your side of the debate with facts and honesty.
Oil is not a finite resource in the marketplace, there is massive amounts of it to be brought into the marketplace. If you are arguing that current "oil and gas" prices have risen due to their scarcity then that is false information and you lose. Current oil and gas prices are higher because governments, mainly the US government have decided that is what they want. It is all on record, all of us honest people who know about the subject matter have known their intentions and have seen them systematically execute their plans for a long time.
Oil is also far from the only fuel ICE cars can use. VERY far from it. But you A) won't acknowledge that because as stated and PROVEN earlier you are dishonest and need to lie, and B) because you have absolutely no real knowledge of understanding about this subject matter and you simply don't even know the alternatives.
@@BurrQ19 Electricity is NOT cheap. Its price has risen lately due to the above mentioned purposeful sabotage of the petrochemical industry, due to rising demand, due to the inability of government to get more electric production going...even REDUCTION of electricity production!
And as I already stated (but you ignored due to your repeated dishonesty): electricity prices skyrocketing from the dictatorial, non-democratic forcing of everyone into EVs hasn't even really begun yet. The MASSIVE price hikes have yet to even begin. ALL of the energy now used by ICE vehicles will have to be shouldered by new power plants, and it's certain that governments will not be able to handle that...nor do they even want to necessarily since they have literally said that they feel higher electricity prices are good and necessary. Many, many politicians make money with higher electricity prices.
And again: you are unable to even mention the existence of alternatives. For example filling up cars with biomethane is currently much cheaper than fossil fuels and electricity in many countries. Not to mention lower in CO2 than EVs...
@@BurrQ19 Oil will not run out during our lifetime. It’s very easy for your friends to say they will never go back to gas if they can afford $100k trucks to start with. And yes electing is cheap now, but it won’t be as EV adoption goes up. Some states are already taxing EVs to register them as governments rely on gasoline taxes to fund budgets. What do you think happens when less and less gas cars are on the road? In 20 years running an EV won’t be any cheaper than a gas car today. Benefit will be (hopefully) a cleaner environment for all.
Is demand really that high for this? I live in Michigan the home of Ford and we tow a lot here and I don't know anyone really that wants this truck. Also it's rarer than an Lamborghini here, heck I have been in the C8 E-Ray and I still haven't been in this truck. On the other hand there are tons of Rivians in my town, trucks and SUVs, those things are selling and people want them. My business partner has a Mach E and it is very nice and I have driven it a lot and it is nice but honestly I would not buy one and he's going to sell his too after owning it less than 6 months because range issues are very real when you have to drive to different properties in different towns that are not close to each other. For me an electric vehicle is a good second vehicle but I would never not have a gas vehicle also.
They're common out in the PNW, but the Rivian is on every corner. It's deceptive in that the Rivian has a very iconic and attention grabbing lighting design, while all the Ford owners out here have blacked out that cheesey plastic light bar up front.... blending it in with every other F150 on the road.
@@wzDH106 I know what to look for with the Lightning, they are not out there. I have a neighbor with one of the 50 two tone EQSs, a tenant with the new i7 with the fold down flat screen TV and down the road from me a lady has the Hummer EV but still the Lightning is harder to find than those. I even saw a Lordstown pickup truck charging the other day.
Next time start with price
I think it’s a truck that would look better in person
You didn't talk about problem finding chargers or longevity issues that come with EVs
Problems. Range. Time to charge, as level 3 DC charger can only be used occasionally. And high cost to purchase. Lastly, batteries will be mega bucks to replace one day.
almost 90K$. hmmmm.
0-60 is closer to 4.0 sec
demand is not 'very very high'. that is false.
It's expensive. Quality issues. Recalls. This truck started at $47,000.00. That didn't last either. Ford has a long road ahead to win my trust.
More like 60k. No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
I'm sticking with my diesel with deleted emissions. Black smoke rocks!
Hope you don't have any children that will be be left with the polluted and toxic planet you gifted to them.
@@trumpisastump9382 TRUMP 2024!!!
Extended range is Only 320?!
Just wait till the cybertruck comes out…
Just hold your breath till the cybertruck comes out.
RIP
OFFFFFFFF
Cloth seats for a truck over 50k .....aka scammers
must be nice to be super rich
No way. 100 mile range pulling a trailer. I have no desire for a AV Anxiety Vehicle 👎
You guys must be very rich
Imagine being this dumb.
The Lightning is a failure because Ford did say they were going to come out with $40,000 models, but you can't find any below $80,000 which is a problem in 2 ways. First, that's stupid expensive for a pickup truck. Second, that's above the EV tax incentive. The other issues have to do with this truck being bad at truck stuff despite costing top trim money.
That's the poster child for everything that's wrong with the new car market. EV mandates, compliance vehicles and manufacturers trying to hang onto their current lineup by turning out a 7,000 lb $80,000+ truck that's basically worse in almost every way for what a truck should do. Its stupid. They should be making a Maverick EV if they're going to do an EV truck. If governments (and by proxy manufacturers) are going to force us all into BEVs in another 10-15 years in some vain attempt to "save the planet" they should be the most economical iterations possible, not some behemoth like that.
There is no EV mandate! Other than range is it not better in every way from a drive train perspective?
Just go drive one, I'm sure your perspective will change
@@didiermejia780 I drive my business partner's Mach E all the time, driven my neighbor's EQS among other EVs and they are fine but I still don't find them a must have to own. Once I did a few pulls in them and went fast a couple times I was over it and went back to driving like I normally do. My number one takeaway from driving the Mach E is that the seats are super comfortable. LOL
I have read all the published papers, and a few non-scientific ones, at least up until about 6 months ago. I have also analysed them and in several cases even researched their background and funding sources.
None have been anything else than totally erroneous, and all except for one have been pretty much purely fraudulent. Many had incredibly dishonest premises, base values, comparisons. Things like taking an absolutely ancient naturally aspirated 2.0 ICE engine to compare against the best possible modern EV just to get the EV to seem better, when basically all modern ICE engines in that category would've been about 1.5 turbo engines.
None have taken into account (properly) the TRUE consumption of EVs. None have taken into account the plugged-in and non-driving consumption. Thrown aside charging losses, battery heating losses, even cabin heating needs! None have taken into account the higher consumption and higher charging losses even during fast charging compared to slow AC charging, let alone the massively higher consumption when the battery is not at optimum temperature!
None have taken into account the effect of the MASSIVE cost of EVs. Their cost to society with their horrendously high subsidies, tax breaks, need for MILLIONS of chargers, trillions in grid work and new power plants. Then there's the fact that even while already massively cheaper ICE users also pay MASSIVE amounts of taxes (in yearly taxes, tariffs, fees and especially massive amounts in fuel taxes) even then! All that tax revenue will have to be replaced, meaning the tax burden of EV drivers has to go up...a lot!
The UN climate panel has concluded that a nation's wealth is the most important, most reliable determinant in how well they are able to actually reduce their CO2 emissions. It's very clear that any nation that decimates their wealth with incredibly expensive, and then -> electricity price raising, then -> inflation causing EVs and policies to force them upon everyone, that the nation will in the end lose much of their ability to invest in actually effective CO2-reducing measures.
Those research papers previously mentioned, which are severely fraudulent, even with their fraudulent figures clearly prove without any doubt that at least about 30% if not 40% of cars are cleaner as ICE cars than EVs due to that amount of cars driven so little per year, so much below average. So why on earth should they be replaced with EVs? Cars not driven much per year are better overall for the environment as ICE cars even with purely fossil fuel!
And on top of all that there's the issue of alternatives: ICE cars already are run on average with more than 5% biofuel content. Many nations have lots of cars running on (very cheap compared to EVs) biofuels, and soon also on e-fuels.
The researchers of Ffe München (funded by major European electric grid companies, electric power plant companies, EV supplier companies and an EV manufacturer) published a study in which they showed (with EV-favouring false figures) that ICE cars fulled with fossil natural gas are cleaner overall than EVs.
Now consider the fuels that ICEs can be run on which are significantly cleaner than fossil natural gas: HVO biodiesel, biomethane, bioethanol and e-fuels!
So there isn't even any reason at all to force anyone onto EVs as they have higher CO2 emissions than ICE cars run on even a mix of bio- or e-fuels and fossil fuels! Let alone when driven on purely bio- and e-fuels! HVO biodiesel for example is proven to have 75-90% less emissions than fossil diesel, which makes it incredibly much lower in emissions than EVs!!
So the facts are not just against EVs, but massively against them.
So is not electricity generation and EV power trains over twice as efficient as an internal combustion engine? Over 90% vs. the low 30% range?
If you kill squirrels as you drive, this is not funny and nothing to be proud of.
The rest of the review is great
I'd only be interested in seeing EV reviews if you first add up ALL the costs EVs will cause to consumers and all taxpayers. That's including the multi-trillion bills for:
-The millions of chargers
-ALL the subsidies to consumers as well as manufacturers in every way, including all the "R&D" subsidies, re-tooling subsidies, tax breaks, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
-The replacement for lost tax revenues when people move to EVs and no longer pay taxes for their vehicles nor their fuel... Those TRILLIONS need to be replaced from somewhere, and we all know it's us who is paying every cent.
-The huge reworking of the electric grid
-All the new power plants needed
-The huge costs which come when millions of tons of EV batteries which aren't recycled properly (of course they're not, why would people want to pay for that out of pocket?) need to be taken up by taxpayers, plus the massive damages which WILL be caused by the massive amount of batteries not recycled.
-All the costs when the politicians and public sector make mistakes, fail to make things work smoothly, fail to have power plants built at the rate needed, take "their cut" = massive corruption. This includes the skyrocketing electricity prices which will just increase inflation as absolutely everything that needs electricity will become a lot more expensive. Then there's the costs when things can't get done due to outages.
Do not forget to balance it with the damage done by the emissions from the ICE vehicles and the damage done from the extraction of oil. BTW the electric grid rework is not big, nor is the number of new plants. The grid is sized for peak AC usage. The increase in capacity only has to be related to how much EV charging happens during that peak.
@@gregkramer5588 What damage? You don't know anything about this subject matter. Your reply was just a collection of made-up lies.
Modern ICE cars do not do any damage. First of all ICE cars can be run on carbon-neutral fuel. Second of all modern ICE cars run incredibly cleanly when looking at the emissions harmful to humans. It has been proven long ago that modern ICE passenger cars clean dirty city air. But many years ago it was proven by studies, I could link to a German study for example but it's not allowed here, that modern ICE passenger cars not only clean air classed as 'dirty', but now with the newest emissions regulations requiring particulate filters they even further clean air which is classed as 'clean' by scientists! I even carry that study's graphs in my phone ready to show anyone.
You don't know what you're talking about. EVs are run on electricity produced in power stations which are proven to pollute very much and have been scientifically proven to have a measurable effect on the health of people. Meanwhile the liars try to trick people by talking about "those emissions out there from traffic" as if they're caused by modern passenger cars. They're not. The overwhelming majority of air pollution comes from industry (like power plants) and HEAVY commercial vehicles...not to mention OLD vehicles. The share of pollution coming from the vehicles you're supposed to compare to EVs = MODERN ICE VEHICLES is totally irrelevant, it's so small.
Millions of chargers? Why millions?? We have approximately 150K working gas pumps across the US (and that's my focus). We currenty have about 135K electric chargers, and they can be densely packed in because there are no fuel tanks and lines to consider in their placement
- Replacement for lost tax revenue, what replacement? There is an average of $0.03 cents for each kilowatt hour, so...
- Subsidies will lessen and probably disappear over time, as EVs become more commonplace. You may be spooking yourself a wee bit early on that one
- The National Grid is already behind in its maintenance, so here's something to spur it on. Except for Texas. Don't know what Texas is going to do.
- when the politicians and public sector make mistakes, fail to make things work smoothly, fail to have power plants built at the rate, yadda, yadda, yadda... They do that know, with gas leases, drilling, etc. Again, mistakes will be made, corrected, and we're off to the races.
Look, I'm not an EV disciple, but I'm keen on the idea of EVs as part of an auto manufacturer's portfolio. It's going to take a long while to move to EVs, but I'd be more concerned that ICE cars are now being priced in such a way that eventually only those who can, will own one, and the rest will have to make do with carpooling or mass transit (which isn't always a recipient of good investment).
@@gregkramer5588 Where do you get the gall to just lie like that? Tell me: what makes you think you know anything about this subject? Please answer that question.
Clearly you either don't know anything at all, and you MUST KNOW that you have no expertise nor qualifications. I bet you don't read any scientific publications either, in addition to not being in any way qualified overall. You know you don't know what you're talking about yet you have the nerve to claim to me and everyone here that you know, and you make some fantastic claims.
"BTW the electric grid rework is not big"
Based on what?
"nor is the number of new plants"
Again: based on what?
Both of those are made-up lies. I have literally heard from high-ups in electric grid companies telling us how even with the massive amount of OUR money they're getting which costs us incredibly much money, taking away our ability to use that money on actually effective CO2-reducing investments, they don't see how have a chance at all to do all the work that's needed even if the money flow increases to fantastic levels and they hire everyone they can!
You are too uninformed (and indoctrinated into a religion, and possibly so corrupt and greedy for that money you make illicitly) to understand the magnitude of *_replacing ALL the energy now coming from fossil fuels with electric production_* !!
You're just another dishonest person who finds it perfectly ok to entertain yourself selfishly by spreading misinformation. (Or maybe you're doing it to make money through your fraud)
@@gregkramer5588 Go ahead and tell me the "true" magnitudes of expense of all the above mentioned categories and back it up with proper argumentation. That's the only way to disprove any of it. So far you haven't disproved anything and I've only proven you to be lying very blatantly.
Go ahead: present the sums for each category!!
tried to get through this review but this dudes energy was just too much...holy annoying af... got about a 3rd of the way in and had to stop, thumbs down, and abandon ship
It's a 90k$ dollar gimmick. 300 miles at best? My Raptor can get 750 on one tank. What a joke.
Your Raptor has a 50 gallon tank? Where'd you find that?
80k...yeah right what a joke! Go sale that trash somewhere else..
Don’t forget to wear a baseball hat 24/7 if you’re driving a pickup truck!
Just too expensive…
Back when I was a kid real men argued over which brand was better, & gas or diesel now us old timers are all united as to No Electric junk batteries!
Examples Colman made a gas powered lantern that you could refuel and rebuild when needed after like 20 years of use.
Batteries????? Just like today as back in the day batteries don’t last forever, some of the Tesla batteries can be rebuilt, but only about 75 to 90% of those can be rebuilt and the rest are just trash.
EM Pulse? Batteries dead ☠️ with no hope of recovery ❤️🩹.
Fuel powered vehicles, ? The new Aluminum body Fords might not even be effected, if so, maybe an Alternator and some fuses and back up and running.
Thanks again guys for another nice informative cool video in the mountains North of San Bernardino.