Great vid. However most of this is coming from a fanboy perspective. And fails to understand #sarcasm. The intro specifically embodies that, using the word Zed for example, the choice of clothes shoes, leaf spring discussion, and of course the Balsa wood floor all underlying sarcasm. But GM is also the same company who creatively and cleaverly makes excuses for cost cutting all the time in marketing like most companies. (C8 has coil springs now and other companies figured out how to lower hood line without having to use leaf springs) So to clarify in our area (midwest) the C5 and the owners are a big stereotype and mostly true. The car has almost no cool factor at all, from a budget Grand Prix/Grand Am style interior chosen to save cost not weight, you see them everywhere usually in base spec with an automatic. The C5 does not feel special objectively. However as said, in terms of performance it blows away cars like the S2000, the Euro cars of the era. So if you are looking for that reliable fast car with simple 90s appeal this is it. But there are other cars from this era that had a bit more passion behind their design. The C5 has very little emotion unless you are that die hard fan of GM and vettes.
A C5 Z06 has no "passion"? It's arguably one of the best driver's cars of the era. Please stop reviewing cars; you're completely delusional and biased. You know nothing about cars except for the ones you own and prefer. Please research why C8 has coil springs now; it's because they couldn't package leaf springs in the mid engine design, you sheep. And what say you about the Ferrari F40, original Acura NSX, Supra, Porsche 996 911 etc. underwhelming interiors? Such a hypocrite.
@@savagegeese I don't watch videos from lower class rural bumblef**ks in the Midwest. How's that for a stereotype, since you like to play the stereotype game?
@@IndependenceCityMotoring You are the epitome of triggered internet fan boy troll. Im glad this video exists and he made it because he is passionate about cars the way I am. Lets see your video, where is it?
@@savagegeese When I have more free time maybe I will someday. Until then, there are fairer, unbiased, unexxagerated reviews out there, like this one: czcams.com/video/HzgG8gg6OEk/video.html As has been pointed out by others, you have a clear bias for Euro and Japanese cars.
Great video. I just watched the Savage Geese video a few days ago and you pretty much addressed everything that bothered me about their video. I own a Black 2001 Z06 and love it. I agree the interior could be better but like you said, look at 911's, or Ferrari's, etc from the late 90's. Their interiors aren't great. Keep up the good work on your vid's.
I left out a couple small things, but I wanted to get some of my own info in and didnt want the vid to get too long. I have some other stuff coming though, thanks for watchin!
I love my C5 Z!!! I didn't buy it for luxury or for impressing the ladies. I bought it because of what's under the hood all the way to the exhaust. Corvettes C1-C6 have never had great interiors. That wasn't GM's focus. It was built to go fast and that's what it does. People who knock these gorgeous machines don't understand true Vette owners and never will.
@@tonywestbrook6436 done and done ! I haven't uploaded to CZcams for a while but am going to try add some more content of the C5Z on the track again. Last uploads of Vette video date back about 10 years LOL 112,000 miles and 17 years with the C5Z06 and still fall in love every time I take her out.... similar story with the wifey after 25 years marriage :)
Your points make absolutely no sense, GM has been listening to owners complaints for years and kept improving the interiors with each generation? The Tru Vette owners, unlike you understood the interiors were shit and made it known.. . I had to buy the Australian made GTO just so i could have a nice interior with a Vette engine, That wasn't their FOCUS? it was mo0re like how can we build a cheap ass car with a go fast engine and ripoff consumers along the way...you have no idea wtf you are talking about..
I too own a black C5Z and I couldn’t agree more with everything you said in this video. It’s amazing how many people underestimate this car, but the truth is GM put an insane amount of though and engineering into the Z, and when you tell people who own GTRs C7s, or M cars about the thin glass, titanium exhausts, carbon hoods, HUD, etc...they can’t believe this was all in a car that’s now almost 20 years old. It truly was a feat of engineering back then and still to this day, offers unrivaled rawness and a “true drivers car” experience that very few modern cars could ever dream of doing. Great video. You’ve earned a big thumbs up and new sub from me!
Awesome, thank you. Got a lot of c5 vids comin out here shortly also. Doing a lot of unique projects this yr on the car, as long as I can navigate this pandemic bs financially. Took some blows but, regainin!
I owned a 2004 Corvette Z06 and I do appreciate you filling in gaps which SG left out. For example, that they removed all the sound deadening to save weight as well as thinner windshield glass and a titanium exhaust. On the 2004 Z06 Commemorative Edition they even went with a carbon fiber hood, a first for Corvettes at the time. I believe this has been said by others but the C5 Corvette is arguably one of the most underappreciated cars of its era. Especially when you take in how much BETTER it was than the C4. The biggest issue with both the C5 and C4 is they made a CRAP TON of them so I don't ever see them as gaining momentum as a collector, excluding the C5Z and ZR1 and Grand Sport from the C4 gen.
If you could get a collectible version and just NOT drive or modify it. You could have gold in your hands. These cars take such abuse from either driving or wrenching on them.
Love this review. The demand for high end interiors and gadgets has driven the cost of most new vehicles through the roof. The average truck is $55k now. This car was a purpose built car with a very decent price tag. I can appreciate a more raw, bare bones performance vehicle. Looking at possibly purchasing a C5Z in the next couple years.
Thanks for that! Looking ti make some changes ahead. This car has been in many forms; supercharged, widebody and even white at one point. Going to do a vid on the path and various mods. What I like about each and what I didnt. Thanks for the comment!
@Shawn gotta basically launch it off idle. I missed your comment here, my bad. Lowest 60fts are off idle, drop clutch and punch at same time...gotta just get the rhythm down...any rev and it just smokes them off.
Great video! Having watched both videos, and as a C5 owner, your description of this car is more accurate. That it can be compared to cars costing many times as much, is a testament to the brilliance of its engineering!!!
Understand we C5 Z06 folks have been defending the performance and intent of the car since day 1. When I drove my C5 Z off the dealer lot in 2002 the easiest way to shut the critics up was to simply say “bring it”. Since day 1 the C5Z has been dancing toe to toe with peer sports card of the day - be it Viper ACR, Mustang Cobra R, 911 Turbo, Ferrari 360CS, NSX or Gallardo. Street, strip, auto cross or road course we could hold our own. The only place the euro snobs beat us was purchase price and cost of repairs. And let’s not forget the C5R dominated in completion from day 1.
@@KnightDriveTV I recently hauled my 2001 C5 Z06 back out of storage and am enjoying it again. I posted a quick summary history thread on DigitalVettes and Z06Vette as I was banned from Corvette forum a long time ago for speaking truth to fact at the posers LOL www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294100 www.z06vette.com/threads/c5z06-z07-17-years-3-engines-112000-miles-5-set-of-wheels-later.152966/ I think I might make a couple videos of it just to share with folks that may not fully understand the potential and practical reality of the C5 Z06. It in my mind was the very car the term "bang for the buck" was coined for - an affordable all rounder that excels and only gets better over time. I think GM lost the plot a little as they had to chase sales and the car lost its purity of purpose and we see the C6/7/8 representing the business model dictating the type of product they need to sell. Long live the C5 Z06 :)
I'm totally a fan of this car, and i aim to own one in the not too distant future, i'm from Scotland,so to see something like this over here would be the epitome of rare, that's definitely a plus point.I have spent hours looking at them online and im already sold, unfortunately when i searched on youtube it was the savagegeese video that popped up first, they do have some plus points and the sound is sublime, i get that some people wont like the interior, can't say i'm too crazy about it either, but as you say, this is not what the car is about, i am sure it will have that wow factor that im looking for and i'm glad i saw this review to further cement my yearn for this car :)
I definitely felt Savagegeese did an honest overall view of thebm car, but I just felt the review targeted false negatives. A video with the reach his has, can have a toxic consequence, so it was important to me, to balance out and show the facts. In his comment to me, he states I am a fanboi of the car. If we take his opinion as true, that Im a fanboi, then i think I'd be equally fair to trust me in saying he is a hater...that puts us in balance. With both our videos out there, people should be able to see the the facts for themselves now, in balance; which was my goal.
Wish I could make a business buying these and sending overseas. A NICE C5 Z06 here in Southern California are for sale any day of the week for $15-20k. I have seen clean high mileage examples for as low as $11,000.
I just saw the geese uploaded a C6ZR1 video today actually...that guy loves talkin sh*t on Corvettes but his eyes roll back in his head when he drives a Z3
Great vid man, thanks for taking the time to respond to their video with the real reasons for the criticisms. I think its fantastic car and I can't wait to buy another in the new year.
I did my best. Struggled to get this vid done for some reason. I like my vids to have a lot of creative variety, versus just talking...so this one became kinda tough for me...lol.
The C5 interior looks cool..for it's time.. and even today..its analogue and that's what you want and expect..same as any other car from 1995. It looks gorgeous..even today. The performance is awesome..so I'm glad unlike some others..you have got it into perspective. Good job. Factual and precise. Wow I'm so glad you mentioned ferrari..I've seen 1960's and early 1970's ferraris that have rubbish interiors..Corvettes are much better. Your black C5 Z06 looks fantastic. I'm British and have been in Japanese cars as well as European from the 90's and their interiors are rubbish.
Thanks so much. For some reason this one just didnt come easy for me. I actually had to shoot this video four separate days. I think I have a ridiculous amount of time in this one...lol. Doing an autocross vid next for the z06 I think.
Glad to see you defend the C5 Corvette form trolls that cannot understand its purpose: TO CREAT AN AMERICAN SPORTS CAR THAT COMPETES WITH CARS VIEWED AS BETTER, BUT CAN GIVE THEM A SERIOUS RUN FOR THEIR MONEY & PRESTIGE. WHILE COSTING A FRACTION OF THE PRICE! Thank You, Sir. "IT'S GOOD TO SE THAT AMERICA STILL BUILDS ROCKETSHIPS"!
Great video dude been having my C5 for years now and it's a beast , GM put a lot into this Corvette many new cars now and not the cheap ones don't have near the tech that these have . for example the Dic a lot of information transmission temp , each wheel pressure to name a couple, ya I love my old 1997 vet it looks just like yours by the way totally blacked out . sweet car you have keep it don't get rid of it you'll thank me later.
I want to thank you for being the kind of rational well educated car guy who understands that a 20 year old platform should not be judged by current standards but by what it was in it's day, and how well it compares to those standards now. The C5 is a Milestone of engineering that only recently has been eclipsed by the C8. The C7 and C6 were just improvements on the C5 standard, and while they have a niche in the lexicon of Corvette lore , are just filler between the C5 and C8.
Yeah, the C5-C7 Is going to be quite an era for the car. The capability was proven, the value factor, etc. C8 has a lot to live up to for enthusiats. I dont think simple speed and performance gives it a win...its going to need to match all the factors that Dave Hills architecture accomplished...generally high performance and reliability, good value proposition that just packed the used market with options. C8 presents new challenges for shadetree guys and people building cars on jack stands. The DCT will have to be reliable at higher power levels and on track or building these cars is going to become a deeper pockets venture than it currently is, even as they trickle down in price, in the used maret. Time will tell but...C5-C7 locked in a human generation of used performance and track cars for decades to come, regardless. Thanks for watching
This guy hits the nail on the head! I'm so sick and tired of guys like Doug Demauro spending 9 minutes on cupholders and plastic and 2 minutes driving and talking about the car itself. I have owned MANY cars of this nature. 996/911, 335is jb4 tuned, 09 Viper, Kenne Bell blown Mustang etc... Doesn't have a shitty IMS bearing like my 911 that blew and cost 12k to fix, Doesn't have constant check engine lights/ vacuum leaks, wastegate problems, turbo failures, high pressure fuel pump failures like the BMW. Catastrophic engine failure on the Viper that I redlined maybe 1/2 dozen times or so . Don't get me started on the Por(sha) which was a constant ass ache. Left me stranded, the interior melted on a hot day, coils constantly blew, more check engine lights than the BMW not nearly as fast and looked decent at best. I love cars and always try new things. The c5 z06 all around is the best PERFORMANCE bang for your buck out there period. Mine has txsp cam, ported and polished heads, long tubes and a great tune. It is 440 whp, weighs 3,000 pounds, out handles all of them, faster than most of them, more comfortable than all of them....never breaks and takes more abuse than all of them put together. It's decent looking, gets alot of thumbs up and sounds absolutely terrifying at redline. That's what these cars are all about...power, handling and FUN! If you give a shit about interior materials and cupholder size, go buy a fucking Lexus. These stupid comments about Audi's having " jewel like" gauges sound like my wife when she's picking out home decor. Half of these betas sound like they should be interior decorators not car guys...
Roll with it they are hilarious. They hammer all products. I drive a zed 06 and like you said I could care less about the interior except side side bolstering for track use. My 427 long tube header cam x pipe smog delete etc I can’t hear anything squeak. I like their station because they are not on the take or a complete fan boy the do solid home work of each car. I enjoyed yours as well and see you on the corvette forum. Nice work plenty of room for opinions
I like SavageGeese a lot actually...just thought the C5Z review was off the mark, and frankly if you watch their recent E39 review, the truths I spoke of are all revealed. Guy was saying he dreamed of that car, and despite the mile long list of E39 issues, the praise never ended...lol.
Great talk-through on the C5 Z06. I'm one of those people trying to find a C5 Z06 presently. I did see the savagegeese video, and was a little discouraged by it, but I'm in your category; don't really care about the interior amenities or impressing friends. I especially appreciate the film clips of the Corvette engineers and your historical perspective on its development, and the constraints they were under at that time. I still think the C5 Z06 is one of the sexiest sports cars on the road. Technologically, it has held up very well in my opinion.
The car has definitely held up well over time. Performance wise, its without question. The interior, shy of some very basic seats, doesnt bother me an ounce. Seats and a steering wheel...whole different car and a whole different experience. You wont regret a C5Z. Good luck on your search. Many more vids ahead. I was unable to comtinue through this covid business, but vid production comin back on.
I’m a big fan of the C5 Z06. I’m a banker by profession but I’m a gearhead I am. I’ll probably owned 35+ Corvettes ranging from 1961 to 2007. I currently on an 03 with 40,000 miles. I really appreciate your honesty and what you have done to represent this car. For those critical snobs go spend a ton of money on a car that we may blow your doors off for a fraction of the price. Ha ha!
Great vid on a great car. The new C8 steps away from what I personally want out of my sports car. I think this is why I loved my 1973 more than all the others . It was raw, honest and a blast to drive at half the speeds of the more modern vettes.
Absolutely. The newer machines are nice, but they are becoming so good, that they just took away from that connection. We are now using bose speakers to pipe in engine sounds and we have electric steering, electric brakes and throttle...all the real connections...vibrations that made your foot feel the motor through the throttle cable...its all those little things lost, in the name of refinement. New vid uploading tonight though! Its a juicy one...heavy editing pain my pc went through.
Great video! It's amazing how quickly people have forgotten what the car industry was producing at the time the C8 Corvette Z06 was created. It was a fabulous advancement in the performance of the American car and was the beginning of the capabilities of the current Corvettes.
@@stevefoisy4834 I knew what you meant, and absolutely agree. The C5Z was praised, all around by the media, when it debuted. There's no question, that if you spend your time riding around in a 3LT C7, and an Audi A7, that if you get into a C5Z...yes, it'll feel old and dated and cheap...of course. On the flip side though, I used to share drive time between this C5Z and an 86 Testarossa, and I can tell you...the C5Z felt like a modern marvel in every way, compared to that car, but again...I didn't care because the Testarossa was such a car in sound, presence and I just loved being in it...I could've been sitting on an egg crate and loved it.
As a Corvette owner (C2 327, C4ZR1, C6 LS3, C7 Z51, and now C5Z in order) I gotta say the interior is what put me off the C5 and its what I still hate about it. I ended up swapping the seats, the steering wheel, the shifter, the seatbelts, completely re-did the carpet and insulation, and flocked my dashboard. Then swapped out the head unit for a double din one. I can't stand the look of the climate control and I'm working on a faceplate for it now. I really wish I could put a C6 dashboard and C7 center console in the car but honestly just a nice center console with a usable or no cupholder would be nice. Then the door panels...I would like to move the buttons from the panels to the center but honestly some Porsche style ones with storage and a pull strap with SWITCHES instead of buttons would have me extremely happy. I think swapping the vent styles would also be nice. I use the Corvette as a track/car meet car. I daily drive and autocross my S2000 and also have a Lexus 400h for a daily too. I really considered replacing my Corvette with a 987.2 Cayman S for the money. I have had the E92 335i and it's horrifying to own. I can DIY and mine with a solid tune, upgraded turbos etc... It was gaskets, water pumps and such that drove me crazy. I think the C5Z is still over valued by many owners who think it will be collectable. A lot of owners believe it's worth more because it wasn't driven or so on. It's $15k for most and $20k for BringAtrailer like new pristine all documentation cars. I'll take a 5.3L swapped Miata with a Getrag diff over a C5Z but at my age (26) I can't insure it as a personal car. I could use it for my business but I want to drive my cars more often. I think these are going to briefly go up in value then go down. It's mass produced and the Z06 isn't much better than a C5 on the road when it comes to modifications. It's a cam and heads away from a C5. There are other differences but not enough to set it THAT far ahead.
5.3 S2k maybe, Miata a little small for me. I built a Miata back in the day...1.8 swapped it, lots of suspension and tire...fun car, but too small. Hard to beat a C5Z for the cost and the starting point you get out of it, as a platform to mod on. BMW's, especially the 3 series...the interiors definitely fall apart...mostly the headliner and pillars, a lot of delam on door panels. Geese wants to impress the friends though...so...best car I could think of that has that "oh how impressive" if you're friends are all rust belt or midwest jobs who think owning a euro car means you've made it in life. Love the S2k...owned one for years, along side this C5Z back when I was supercharged. Still could step out of the C5Z at 580whp and jump in the S2k and have a great drive...totally different car.
Savage geese does a lot of sarcasm. Him not liking certified things does not make people hate it. It's all just opinion, I still love the car. You might have let your anger blind you to the humor. I didn't see it as them just shitting on it. I still want one.
lol...believe me...these videos often involve a lot of running around, setup, move this here and there...then I try to hurry and shoot what I need. I try to look calm and relaxed but often am running all over to shoot and setup and pull down. CZcams a lot of fn work...lol. Altitude where I was is a bit up there too...3200k ft or so...
KnightDriveTV Definitely have my attention. I’m still on the lookout for another C5Z. Do you have a website setup for your business oriented toward the C5Z?
Its in the background. I am adding product and things...another month or so. I have custom designed shirts, 3d printed parts and the carbon stuff. Just dealing with a lot of bs in 2020...lol
Found your channel by looking up savageese response vids during the livestream, chatted with you in the livestream, and now I connected the two, hah. Good video and interesting back and forth in the comments. Appreciate your level headed attitude! Keep up the good work.
Thanks man. I did the same...took a look at what youre doing over there. I saw some dsm action. I just started givin this youtube bit a run. 2020, I am gonna give it a full show, see what I can make of it. I left the stream but I am gonna check out some of your vids...see what you have goin on. I am a former import guy 100%, built lots of forced induction systems for dsm, honda and nissan. I do Corvettes now and some general car stuff. Lots comin on my end ahead.
Hahaha wow that's awesome! Wouldn't have expected lots of import action given your current channel content. Yeah TBH I basically own a bunch of rusty old cars in various states if disrepair, but I'm reviving them and having fun. 2020 will hopefully be big for me as well! Always happy to support other small CZcamsrs so I'm subscribed. :)
Admittedly, the SavageGeese video got my nose slightly out of joint. It seemed like they took the easy way out with all the pot-shots at the C5Z... and its owners... the same tired old clichés. You'll be old one day too! (if you're lucky!) After I sold my Backdraft Racing Cobra replica back in 2016 (all-aluminum 427 Windsor stroker... 612 hp/615 tq), I lasted a year before I went shopping for another toy. I bought an '04 C5Z from the original owner with 8600 miles on it. Relative to the Cobra, I found it supremely comfortable & much more livable, not to mention efficient. And what a blast to drive... docile around town, but when you lay into the pedal, it just takes off like a rocket. I guess they couldn't do another praising video... Doug DeMuro already did that.
I thank you C5Z06 owner here. Also bmw 3 series interiors falls to shit and the radio display goes away randomly and comes back... speaking from experience. Oh yea the steering wheel also peels and if you have a sunroof the liner sags lol
Isiah Gomez Yeah, I have had several BMW’s myself and I had much the same issues; interior failures, electronic issues. Inevitably, I discovered after shooting this video, low and behold, SavageGeese bought an E92 as his preferred daily a couple yrs back. I admire the E92 M3, and I think it has its place, but you wont see them at a track day very often, for good reason.
Great video. This car was not made to be luxurious. It was made to perform. Real car guys like you know this. Maybe those guys should stick to geese. That being said I love mine more than my single turbo n54 6466 135i with 658whp.
Also the reliability is amazing I’m about 500whp in my Z fbo e85. I cant get a week out of my bmw without throwing a code and I baby it. It’s never ending maintenance even if your anal and stay on top of things like me. It will be going up for sale soon. The Z is replacing it.
Yeah, the reliability factor of the LS platform and the c5/c6 is what makes it an easy decision over even mid 2000 bmw's. E46 began the era of the weekly problem plague. If you're somewhat savvy and have the bavarian tool most of it is manageable but never-the-less, a pain. Even when my Z06 was supercharged...it was basically gas and oil and pound the hell out of it...never skipped a beat.
@KnightDrive - I agree a lot with your comments here...but, I love the fact that Savagegeese downed the C5 Z06 and I am glad it went viral... saved *me* about 5G's when I picked up my '04 C5 Z06 about 2 weeks ago.. lol. Does that video show sarcasm? Yeah, it reeks of it, it's funny and the sock down the pants thing and sailors hat was hilarious. Sadly, that was probably the best part of the video. The rest... not so much. Are they biased? Definitely. They sound like a pair of guys that aimed to find fault in it and blow it all up out of proportion. I can find fault in anything too, but why? Am I a fan boy? Up until 2 weeks ago I asn't, but now I sure am... and the interior did not deter me from forking over my hard earned cash... and I saw that video way before. Now? I can see how off their entire assessment was after living with the real thing for a couple of weeks and 2000 miles. You can call me a fan boy *now* and I'd agree with you. The car is what it is, and I am loving it every moment!
+KnightDriveTV first, amazing video. Much, much better! Good tone. Good pacing. Loved the simple yet effective cinematography and editing. Great information. Relative to +Savagegeese ... he knows what he is doing. He does know his cars. He chooses to sometimes present in a cynical matter. For myself, I was quite upset at this specific video, not for how he did it, but because I know he can do better. He knows it has F/R dual A-arms. He knows it is a good autoX car (hell, it destroyed SS for the longest time). I am just upset there was nothing positive or redeeming about his skit. Thanks for taking the time to do a well made, quality, informative video on the car. I really appreciate it, and can't wait to hear about the autoX experience in the car soon! P.S. Just wondering if your shoes in the video were and Easter Egg :)
RedHerring Nah, they are all white but not new balances...theyre a trendier nike...lol. If I would’ve done a closeup youd see they were a much more modern/trendy design...lol. The cliche joke is specifically white new balance dad shoes.
I think I summed it up in the final thoughts as best as you can, including the title. Its a great performance car that feels hampered by the lack of passion and commitment from GM corporate to make it what it should have been. They had too make to many compromises because of budget and the car feels far less special because of it.
There is nothing wrong with critiquing and debating each other's points and arguments and actually should encourage, in life, on CZcams and the internet and work and at home. Never be satisfied with the status quo and never stay stagnant, push on ahead and grow
Love the video and channel my dude. You mentioned the 335i which I agree is a great option. I currently have a 335is which I love but I’m considering moving on for a C5 Z06 because I wanting a more focused performance car. My 335is is heavy and it’s also lacking a LSD which has always bothered me. Love your work man. It’s obvious you are doing this out of passion for cars and it shows. ✊🏻
335i is definitely a good foundation. End of day though C5Z just has a reliability/simplicity and focused edge. Interior stuff can be dealt with...seats, creature comforts, etc. Core chassis, drivetrain and potential is pretty endless though. Thanks for watchin!
@@KnightDriveTV I totally agree and I think that's what is really drawing me to the Z. I have wanted one ever since I read a old Car & Driver back when it first came out. I'm thinking a 03/04 in millennium yellow is the one for me.
Spot on- savagegeese put out a terrible video on this one. And I say this as a non-loyalist to any car brand, but as a car enthusiast that appreciates good cars.
Independence City Motoring The vid was bad man...I was just like...are these guys serious? This is what youtube gives us though...great content creators dont necessarily equal the best car insights and knowledge. The fact that some of these reviewers have massive influence and pass on some ridiculous opinions...just makes me have to jump in the game and give it a shot!
The C5 ZO6 debuted in 2001 and ran through 2004 the interior was fine for that error I mean Christ what do people want a sports car or a Cadillac. I think over all this model is the classiest corvette ever made the hard top convertible look is awesome it's super clean looking I remember when they first came out they were 55,000 plus a 5,000 dollar dealer fee a lot of car for the money at the time let's see the goons that made fun of the ZO6 make fun of the C8 ZR1 900 bhp twin turbo dohc 32V mid engine all wheel drive that's being est. To run the quarter mile in the low 9 second range off the show room floor. Nice video buitiful corvette take it easy buddy
Finally, someone says the C5 interior isn't the worst thing ever. I have no problem with the C5 interior. Like you said , part of it being minimalist is its weight saving which is one of the reasons it is so damm fast (3100#). Also if you're gonna be the fastest sports car under $20000 you're not going to have the interior of a 1/2 a million dollar Ferrari. Anyway great video, C5 Z06 is 1 of the baddest cars ever built. The original American super car
Exactly...its a simple concept really but...some people just get wound up in it. Porsche can make a nylon strap into a door handle and theyll praise it for lightweight racing ideology...but they will tear up the z06 for recycled plastic bottle interior. I didnt buy the car to have leather stitching and infotainment.
Awesome looking car!!! I have a 07 convertible. Love it. It'll run with ferrari 355 and 360 for much much less. Mine has no squeaks or rattles. It is my daily driver
Yeah, I had a 355 for a few months (I brokered it). Car sounded awesome with a Tubi exhaust and the drivetrain was fantastic but...the rest of the car was just trash. My Z06 will run circles around a 355 and I actually owned my Z just before I sold the 355. I drove the Z more...360 is a much better car. So, I definitely agree with ya!
@@KnightDriveTV then of course we dip into the 427 and the supercharged vettes. The vette is definitely no joke, which I know you agree. Dollar for dollar i truly believe the vette is the smartest bargain for the price.
Before anyone belittles the C5 Corvette, they need to read the book "All Corvettes are red" Excellent in depth, behind the scene look at what it took to make the C5.
Totally with you man..... I looked at a new Camaro today and there's not even a handbrake. I could give a shit less about a touch screen or any of that nonsess. The sound of the engine is the entertainment.
rnm1 Appreciate it man. Just wanted to offer some input and a different view so that viewers can see a different perspective is all. Lots more coming. Wish all I could do is make vids but life is a B.
2nd time I have watched this vid...very good and honest approach to what makes the C5 series so amazing...all things considered! I own two of them, an FRC and a Convert, one heavily modified (FRC) and other mostly stock! I also own a Porsche turbo and have hand many other Porsches and M series BMW's etc. Hands down for realistic everyday needs and cost of ownership, the C5 ranks at the very top. Sure my 86 Porsche turbo has better build quality, however out of warranty, all of the others lose out, or should I say cost tremendously more to own!
Awesome comment man. I agree, as you can tell! I have a lot comin vid wise. I am gonna push the market to recognize the C5Z vid by vid! I am workin on something ahead; should push that objective quite a bit.
I wanted a 997 911 really bad, but ended up getting a C7 because of I wanted a Porsche for $40k, I was looking at a Cayman. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes it's embarrassing, but ultimately, after three years, I love it now and I think people love it too. It's a real blue collar brute and I actually like the rough edges. Don't be a snob like was and just try one. All corvettes are cool.
I am about to release the 991.2 gt3 vs 992 gt3 video and I'll be honest man...I drove both on track...the cars are enjoyable, but my Z06, modded as it is, is a tremendously competitive and fun car and hangs with those in my book, in many ways.
I agree with both arguments. A) interior is lame! Period! It’s cheap Chevy plastics. Mine with 36k miles does squeak. B) it’s a sports car, and a worthy one. Eyes forward. Who cares about the interior. The car is fast out the box and low. You need to pay attention. Performance for price is why this car is a winner. Can’t wait to start mods on mine
I agree and I'm definitely interested in purchasing this car as a project car! There was a time when I was looking for a 1999 the only year made without out a hatch! But the ZO6 fixed that!
99 and 00 for frc actually, then 2001-04 for Z06. Love FRC's even...affordable and great cars. The fixed roof coupes make the c5 stand apart and I like it because of that
@@KnightDriveTV I see i thought it was only 99 I didn't realize also 00 they made them! I was seriously trying to find one but it was difficult! I owned an FD3S RX7 and loved it but ofcourse went through plenty of apex seals over the years! The C5 FRC in my opinion closely reminded me of the 3rd gen RX7 except it had the reliability of a LS V8! I'm currently looking at a 04 ZO6 for sale with 40k on clock for 16K in pretty good shape! as a project car!
Its so damn tough to compare but, there are definitely some key differences. Our C6 is down (as of 3 days ago), so I have to do some quick repairs but, its a vid that definitely needs done. I have seen a few comparison vids and they miss a lot of key points I feel like. I have an auotcross vid coming and that one on the schedule, so keep an eye out shortly.
NOLA NATION 9 Performance, the C6 will win. For me though, I love the look of the C5Z06 and it still has amazing performance. Also last Vette with pop up headlights. That’s got to count for something😬👍🏼
C6 guy here, loved the video and also love c5s too, whether it’s a z car or not c5s are a wonderful deal in the performance world and are beautiful cars. Luckily most the parts for these Vettes aren’t too pricey and neither are motors really if worst came to worst. The ls3 cars are getting to be a good deal but honestly in a way the ls2 c6 cars are a stupid good deal right now.
Yeah, the C6 LS2's are falling under the radar because the 2008+ cars are so close in reach. Beauty of the LS2 is the 4" bore...so lots of head options for that motor over the LS1/6. Going to be uploading much more often; all good Corvette stuff ahead, as well as some Corvette product exclusive to this channel only. Keep an eye out! Thanks for watchin!
I shot all this in west Las Vegas in Red Rock...Red Rock is a protected land but has a few homes that were owned prior to the establishment of the area as protected. Its a pretty hidden spot thats really sweet. Crazy mountains and rock behind there
Wow that is ironic... I just left a review on sg video bringing up basically the same ideas. You just earned a sub, looking forward to seeing some of your other videos.
True the interior is not that bad, especially for that time. Porsche 911 for that era had similar plastics and actually more prone to break, sticky and discoloring. Aftermarket is huge for any corvette, my interior with hydrocarbon, chrome, leather etc looks pretty amazing now for not a lot of $. C5 is pretty timeless design:)
True, the 996 interior is pretty bad also and the steering wheel has no telescope. The Z06 is a whole level above the Carrera of that time and more on par with the Viper or 360 Modena.
@@AnonAnon-qi4ts it’s sad too many people think all porsche products are superior, far from the truth. It goes for many other brand names as well, if some people have too much money they buy the most expensive toys to show off. I buy other beauties that are also affordable;)
I still don't understand how my C5 Z06 gets such good mpg while destroying nearly everything. I bought mine with an LS3 swap and a salvage title for 13k! I can trap it at 124 mph and get 30 mpg on the freeway! I'm about to set it up for better handling now. So many options and the parts are cheap! Thinking about the square set up and taking on some high dollar cars! Great channel!
Couldnt agree more man. C5z woth an LS3 or LS7 is helluva combo. Check out my square setup video for details on mine. Cant go wrong though...great mpg, fast as hell, light, handles like a bitch if you set it up right...for sure.
235i's are at 3400+lbs, and are pulling 22k+ on avg at this point. So, it exceeds the 20k mark of the video. Even if you did procure a high mile 235i, the power/weight vs a C5Z is a no comparison...C5Z will destroy a 235i in track performance. The 335i example I gave targeted a 10k'ish purchase price then 10k for mods to get the car in a power/weight/handling range that would give a somewhat similar experience to the C5Z stock, but with a better interior. I think you'd have to put 5-10k in mods to the 235i to even come close to a C5Z on track (but still would lose), and at that point, you're in C6Z money, which again will destroy the modded 235i AND has a mildly better interior. thanks for watching and commenting man...good points and questions, thanks!
@@KnightDriveTV Oh yes, taking all the track work into the equation there is no comparison!! The interior issues with the C5 and C6 are so overblown it has gotten annoying. OK yes the C5 steering wheel and gauges are not my favorite (neither is the C6 steering wheel), but like you said, light weight materials make for a light weight car. You have to give up something somewhere, at least their stuff works and is supported by GM decades later for replacement parts.
i had a 2002 Z06 and loved the performance but hated the interior. I have a 2008 Z06 now and still love the performance and tolerate the interior, it is still pretty bad. I won't however buy a C7 because I value having a light NA car more than the other stuff.
Thank you for this response video. The “tongue & cheek” (intro only) savage geese video was about as cliché as a review can get. The potential for an intriguing and thought provoking review was there. However spewing the very well know idiosyncrasies of the almost two decade old C5 Z06 in a 2019 video appeared to be such a lazy approach. SG has really set forth some excellent automotive content, perhaps that’s why I was let down.
I agree entirely. Most of his work is fantastic...I just felt the C5Z review was a let down. Especially as I watched more of his videos...I was like man, a lot of these are really great videos, which I think affected me.much the same way. I was thoroughly disappointed that the C5Z video took the shape it did. More ahead and I am testing something new, for specific subscribers. I will discuss in my next c5z mod video. Thanks for watching
Thank you for the reply. I have seen a few of your Corvette videos in the past however after watching this video you just earned a new subscriber. Any type of performance related automotive content gets a big thumbs up from me.
My complaint was they uttered the phrase "Miata" in that review. No need to explain how offensive that was. You keep emphasizing weight, "mass", as being important. Something tells me you don't do a lot of racing of your car, especially roll racing. It's really power on the streets. You need to see a C7 Z06 take off from a roll, or maybe a late model Mustang Gt, or just race a bunch of people from the seat of a stock C5, and I can tell you, power and torque are 1000x more important than weight. It is not until you get down to motorcycle weight that weight will win. Just my own experience, owning 3 Corvettes now. My only other opinion is just the "pandemic pricing" car economy we are in today. I can't get parts for my C6, even from GM. And people are asking way too much for even super high mileage sports cars of every year. I wish I had kept my C5 Z16, at the $27k I paid for it with 1000 miles on the odometer. When I sold that car at about 30k miles, the interior was perfect. The exterior the same, every inch of it like new after being stored outdoors in Virginia for 7 years. My C6, I can't say the same for at all. Great video! Thanks.
Sir, I recently purchased a mint 96 Corvette CE edition with the LT-1 auto. I love the car but am thinking about a C5 Z06. The only reason I did not initially buy the latter one is that I am a below the knee amputee (as of a few years ago) and wondered about my ability to drive one comfortably. I know how to drive a manual (many sports cars) and have since drove lesser manuals successfully. I believe this option is now a go. Is there another site where I can reach you through email or quieter communication? I am worried about the cost investing in the C4 not paying off nearly as much as the C5 LS engine/chassis base. I love both cars and enjoyed your other video on the white C4 lowered. Take Care!!
This is probably the best info car video of its kind, I’m subscribing! Fuck those pretentious Savage Geese, Porsche pronouncing know it all’s. Give me an American made , Vette: fun, fast, road car and I’m happy! I have a C2, C3, C7 and looking at C8 & C5! Semper Fi!
Nah...just a way to piggyback a vid is all. I think the two combined give a pretty good picture. The "zed" thing though...yeah...was definitely triggerin me out. I can't stand regurgitation. Thanks for watching man...appreciate it.
As someone who grew up driving this car on need for speed the C5 z06 is one of those special cars. Some cars I will never understand why people go crazy for namely the old Type Rs, I understand the NSX and the RX7 ECT but those old fwd Honda's SMH .
When I had my first corvette...C4 LT1 6spd. Car is definitely quick enough...13's in the 1/4. I tuned engine management on a bunch of hondas...massive numbers of them. One guy I tuned had a 194whp Integra...that car ran hard with my Corvette. If you ever get the chance to drive a civic or integra with a B18c or a properly done swap like a K or H...youll be surprised. They are a lot of fun to drive.
@@KnightDriveTV I have I grew up with guys that loved them, too much wheel hop and tq steer. I mean they are cool for what they are but they just are no Supra and RX7 to me not even on the s2000 level. Now the new type R that is a totally different story.
There is joy to a 2400 lbs. high revving Honda. I have a C7 and a Fiesta ST. I grew up with Civics and Integras. They all have a different feeling, but a really well setup fwd flickable little hatch is just as or more fun on a real tight road than a Vette or Mustang. In traffic with good visibilty and size it's better too. Around little 90 degree corners in town is a hoot in little cars.
Sup boss. I enjoy your videos.... Question... How’s the fit in the car? I am in the market for a C5 and I am a bigger guy (6 ft 250lb).... Seems you’re a big guy too. You got a fair amount of room or will I feel like i’m in a miata
I actually had a Miata yrs back that I built...way way tighter in a Miata. I had an s2000 next, definitely better. We have this C5Z and the 09 C6...C5Z fit is great, even with a helmet on. I am 6'2, 250 and have absolutely no issues. C7's start to feel tight like am s2k did, but C5 us good to go, C6 gets slightly tighter and lose headroom. C5, in its design was actually made to accommodate this engineer that was 6'6 on the Corvette team. From there, Corvettes got smaller inside.
I have, and all those details are in my z06 mod vid...its got the Z06 in satin white pearl in the thumbnail. Its a long vid but its broken up and details everything.
Kind of commenting about the savage geese retorts and yours....if you have had the luxury to drive over 100,000$ dollars car(s) and then hop in a c5 your basis of comparison would be far jaded then lets say someone that has owned a 350z/370z a 5.0 mustang, turboed 4 banger, etc when jumping in a corvette c5. Its all perspective of what you have driven in which returns the level of authenticity in how you evaluate a cars "ranking." For instance matt farah from the smoking tire has driven 100s if not 1000's of stock and modified vehicles and Im sure he can appreciate a c5 being that he does own one. The more cars you have driven then the more specificity in how they resonate with you but In my opinion in some degree muddies the water on appreciating vehicles that are obtainable buy the average salary like a c5. Of all vehicles corvettes c5/c6/c7 seems to hold their value a hell of a lot better then most other vehicles.
Saw absolutely nothing wrong with Savagegeese's video....it's an opinion video with sarcasm intertwined through the whole thing. As a Terminator owner, their Terminator review was the same way and most of it was pretty accurate. Never seen so many people take review videos so seriously, as if it was going to have some kind of ill-effect on the future of C5-Z06 values or something.
All the videos bolster the value, if anything. I suppose you weren't privy to the rap controversy/battles of the 90's....it sold more music for all involved. This was the same approach.
@@KnightDriveTV so you’re saying it was all intentional? Because the rap battles of the 90’s, the glam rock battles of the 80’s, etc were all staged. Regardless, my comment was more toward all of the other comments that take both videos way too serious. It’s all entertainment
I watch savage geese and very much respect his channel. I thought his c5 video was a good opportunity to disagree with some aspects of their analysis. In the long run, I think videos like mine push channels like his to really do better and constantly improve. His corvette videos that followed were solid...and you cant tell by his comments watching them that they did take backlash into account with his they represent certain factors. I get his channels jokes and sarcasm and its all in good fun, I just felt that as a channel with C5 and C6 content, I wanted to clarify where his channel was in error. In the end, it helped both our channels and thats good.
@@KnightDriveTV yes, but you act like their video and comments were wrong. They weren’t: they’re their opinions, opinions that many people share and many disagree with. He hasn’t changed his stance on anything, simply different opinions for different generations and models of Vettes.
I was tempted to give a not so nice comment on "their" review but I realize they are just arrogant, young, pathetic fools who are not fanboys but simply just horse's asses who think they are smarter than they really are. Bottom line they couldn't find anything to complain about the performance so they pick on the interior. I own a low mileage 2002 Z06 and it brings a smile to my face every time I drive it.
Yep, all truth. That little dude Savagegeese likes all those simp cars too...miatas and z4's and cars like that. Great cars in their own right, now doubt, but it makes him a big boy car hater apparently.
@@KnightDriveTV funny how a lot of these younger guys always like to call someone butthurt if they are challenged or dont like a comment. I certainly do not ever get "butthurt" but enjoy calling out bias when I see it. Labeling someone that is simply a weak tactic to try and shut someone down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to speak their mind. They say their piece and I say mine. Me personally, I like a vast number of different cars out there and always have been a car guy.
Yeah, I appreciate a very broad spectrum. All cars are compromises of cost, manufacturing, regulation, etc. I owned an S2000 at the same time I hade my Z06 supercharged and could get out one and into the other and just loved life. I had Miatas, Hondas, to Ferrari 355 and Porsche. C5 Corvette Z06 is just such a hell of a middle ground and driving all those different platforms really showed me that.
And a Lambo Diablo had 300zx headlights. Nothing wrong with focusing the investment on the parts of the vehicle required to meet objectives. Porsche shares steering wheels, the S2000 had an insight steering wheel...this isnt new nor GM specific
Stefan Tank I have a vid givin all the details. Check my square setup vid for exact details. Forgestar F14’s, 18x11 all four corners...specs in the vid. Thanks for watchin!
I do love the vette but I was at the dealership and was looking at a c 6 and the clown laughed at me getting out of it I agree with age I don't bend like I use to that is my issue with the vette I like the hinden lights
Great vid. However most of this is coming from a fanboy perspective. And fails to understand #sarcasm. The intro specifically embodies that, using the word Zed for example, the choice of clothes shoes, leaf spring discussion, and of course the Balsa wood floor all underlying sarcasm. But GM is also the same company who creatively and cleaverly makes excuses for cost cutting all the time in marketing like most companies. (C8 has coil springs now and other companies figured out how to lower hood line without having to use leaf springs)
So to clarify in our area (midwest) the C5 and the owners are a big stereotype and mostly true. The car has almost no cool factor at all, from a budget Grand Prix/Grand Am style interior chosen to save cost not weight, you see them everywhere usually in base spec with an automatic. The C5 does not feel special objectively. However as said, in terms of performance it blows away cars like the S2000, the Euro cars of the era. So if you are looking for that reliable fast car with simple 90s appeal this is it. But there are other cars from this era that had a bit more passion behind their design. The C5 has very little emotion unless you are that die hard fan of GM and vettes.
A C5 Z06 has no "passion"? It's arguably one of the best driver's cars of the era. Please stop reviewing cars; you're completely delusional and biased. You know nothing about cars except for the ones you own and prefer. Please research why C8 has coil springs now; it's because they couldn't package leaf springs in the mid engine design, you sheep. And what say you about the Ferrari F40, original Acura NSX, Supra, Porsche 996 911 etc. underwhelming interiors? Such a hypocrite.
@@IndependenceCityMotoring Go back and watch my final thoughts on it before you get butthurt. Because you are basically quoting me.
@@savagegeese I don't watch videos from lower class rural bumblef**ks in the Midwest. How's that for a stereotype, since you like to play the stereotype game?
@@IndependenceCityMotoring You are the epitome of triggered internet fan boy troll. Im glad this video exists and he made it because he is passionate about cars the way I am. Lets see your video, where is it?
@@savagegeese When I have more free time maybe I will someday. Until then, there are fairer, unbiased, unexxagerated reviews out there, like this one: czcams.com/video/HzgG8gg6OEk/video.html
As has been pointed out by others, you have a clear bias for Euro and Japanese cars.
Great video. I just watched the Savage Geese video a few days ago and you pretty much addressed everything that bothered me about their video. I own a Black 2001 Z06 and love it. I agree the interior could be better but like you said, look at 911's, or Ferrari's, etc from the late 90's. Their interiors aren't great. Keep up the good work on your vid's.
I left out a couple small things, but I wanted to get some of my own info in and didnt want the vid to get too long. I have some other stuff coming though, thanks for watchin!
There are also ways to help out with some of the squeaks of the interior if you take your time removing panels and know where the squeak comes from.
I love my C5 Z!!! I didn't buy it for luxury or for impressing the ladies. I bought it because of what's under the hood all the way to the exhaust. Corvettes C1-C6 have never had great interiors. That wasn't GM's focus. It was built to go fast and that's what it does. People who knock these gorgeous machines don't understand true Vette owners and never will.
My C5 Z06 was bought back in the day with the enthusiastic approval of my lady :)
Hang on to her!!! and the Vette.
@@tonywestbrook6436 done and done !
I haven't uploaded to CZcams for a while but am going to try add some more content of the C5Z on the track again. Last uploads of Vette video date back about 10 years LOL
112,000 miles and 17 years with the C5Z06 and still fall in love every time I take her out.... similar story with the wifey after 25 years marriage :)
Your points make absolutely no sense, GM has been listening to owners complaints for years and kept improving the interiors with each generation? The Tru Vette owners, unlike you understood the interiors were shit and made it known.. . I had to buy the Australian made GTO just so i could have a nice interior with a Vette engine, That wasn't their FOCUS? it was mo0re like how can we build a cheap ass car with a go fast engine and ripoff consumers along the way...you have no idea wtf you are talking about..
I too own a black C5Z and I couldn’t agree more with everything you said in this video. It’s amazing how many people underestimate this car, but the truth is GM put an insane amount of though and engineering into the Z, and when you tell people who own GTRs C7s, or M cars about the thin glass, titanium exhausts, carbon hoods, HUD, etc...they can’t believe this was all in a car that’s now almost 20 years old. It truly was a feat of engineering back then and still to this day, offers unrivaled rawness and a “true drivers car” experience that very few modern cars could ever dream of doing. Great video. You’ve earned a big thumbs up and new sub from me!
Awesome, thank you. Got a lot of c5 vids comin out here shortly also. Doing a lot of unique projects this yr on the car, as long as I can navigate this pandemic bs financially. Took some blows but, regainin!
I owned a 2004 Corvette Z06 and I do appreciate you filling in gaps which SG left out. For example, that they removed all the sound deadening to save weight as well as thinner windshield glass and a titanium exhaust. On the 2004 Z06 Commemorative Edition they even went with a carbon fiber hood, a first for Corvettes at the time. I believe this has been said by others but the C5 Corvette is arguably one of the most underappreciated cars of its era. Especially when you take in how much BETTER it was than the C4. The biggest issue with both the C5 and C4 is they made a CRAP TON of them so I don't ever see them as gaining momentum as a collector, excluding the C5Z and ZR1 and Grand Sport from the C4 gen.
If you could get a collectible version and just NOT drive or modify it. You could have gold in your hands. These cars take such abuse from either driving or wrenching on them.
EXCELLENT and honest overall review of the car. 👍🏾💯
Love this review. The demand for high end interiors and gadgets has driven the cost of most new vehicles through the roof. The average truck is $55k now. This car was a purpose built car with a very decent price tag. I can appreciate a more raw, bare bones performance vehicle. Looking at possibly purchasing a C5Z in the next couple years.
100%...the desire for these lux interiors added cost and weight, and allowed the automakers to balloon pricing for it.
Your corvette looks amazing man.
Thanks for that! Looking ti make some changes ahead. This car has been in many forms; supercharged, widebody and even white at one point. Going to do a vid on the path and various mods. What I like about each and what I didnt. Thanks for the comment!
KnightDriveTV Awesome looking forward!
@Shawn gotta basically launch it off idle. I missed your comment here, my bad. Lowest 60fts are off idle, drop clutch and punch at same time...gotta just get the rhythm down...any rev and it just smokes them off.
Great video! Having watched both videos, and as a C5 owner, your description of this car is more accurate. That it can be compared to cars costing many times as much, is a testament to the brilliance of its engineering!!!
sorry, I did not catch much of what you were saying, I was drooling over that C5 Z06. it is mad gorgeous man !
lol...well, I suppose thats good. Thanks man...
Understand we C5 Z06 folks have been defending the performance and intent of the car since day 1. When I drove my C5 Z off the dealer lot in 2002 the easiest way to shut the critics up was to simply say “bring it”.
Since day 1 the C5Z has been dancing toe to toe with peer sports card of the day - be it Viper ACR, Mustang Cobra R, 911 Turbo, Ferrari 360CS, NSX or Gallardo.
Street, strip, auto cross or road course we could hold our own.
The only place the euro snobs beat us was purchase price and cost of repairs.
And let’s not forget the C5R dominated in completion from day 1.
RCFourFive Pure facts. I remember the time well,
@@KnightDriveTV I recently hauled my 2001 C5 Z06 back out of storage and am enjoying it again.
I posted a quick summary history thread on DigitalVettes and Z06Vette as I was banned from Corvette forum a long time ago for speaking truth to fact at the posers LOL
www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294100
www.z06vette.com/threads/c5z06-z07-17-years-3-engines-112000-miles-5-set-of-wheels-later.152966/
I think I might make a couple videos of it just to share with folks that may not fully understand the potential and practical reality of the C5 Z06.
It in my mind was the very car the term "bang for the buck" was coined for - an affordable all rounder that excels and only gets better over time.
I think GM lost the plot a little as they had to chase sales and the car lost its purity of purpose and we see the C6/7/8 representing the business model dictating the type of product they need to sell.
Long live the C5 Z06 :)
I'm totally a fan of this car, and i aim to own one in the not too distant future, i'm from Scotland,so to see something like this over here would be the epitome of rare, that's definitely a plus point.I have spent hours looking at them online and im already sold, unfortunately when i searched on youtube it was the savagegeese video that popped up first, they do have some plus points and the sound is sublime, i get that some people wont like the interior, can't say i'm too crazy about it either, but as you say, this is not what the car is about, i am sure it will have that wow factor that im looking for and i'm glad i saw this review to further cement my yearn for this car :)
I definitely felt Savagegeese did an honest overall view of thebm car, but I just felt the review targeted false negatives. A video with the reach his has, can have a toxic consequence, so it was important to me, to balance out and show the facts. In his comment to me, he states I am a fanboi of the car. If we take his opinion as true, that Im a fanboi, then i think I'd be equally fair to trust me in saying he is a hater...that puts us in balance. With both our videos out there, people should be able to see the the facts for themselves now, in balance; which was my goal.
Wish I could make a business buying these and sending overseas. A NICE C5 Z06 here in Southern California are for sale any day of the week for $15-20k. I have seen clean high mileage examples for as low as $11,000.
You did great job for standing up for the C5 community. We all thought the same thoughts when watching the geese video.
I just saw the geese uploaded a C6ZR1 video today actually...that guy loves talkin sh*t on Corvettes but his eyes roll back in his head when he drives a Z3
Great vid man, thanks for taking the time to respond to their video with the real reasons for the criticisms. I think its fantastic car and I can't wait to buy another in the new year.
I did my best. Struggled to get this vid done for some reason. I like my vids to have a lot of creative variety, versus just talking...so this one became kinda tough for me...lol.
I sold my 2003 ZO6 around 10 or 11 years ago. I love that car, it was one of my favorites and regret selling it now.
The C5 interior looks cool..for it's time.. and even today..its analogue and that's what you want and expect..same as any other car from 1995. It looks gorgeous..even today. The performance is awesome..so I'm glad unlike some others..you have got it into perspective. Good job. Factual and precise. Wow I'm so glad you mentioned ferrari..I've seen 1960's and early 1970's ferraris that have rubbish interiors..Corvettes are much better. Your black C5 Z06 looks fantastic. I'm British and have been in Japanese cars as well as European from the 90's and their interiors are rubbish.
Excellent video Damian! Well spoken and very well explained. Thank you! Your Z06 looks fantastic!
Thanks so much. For some reason this one just didnt come easy for me. I actually had to shoot this video four separate days. I think I have a ridiculous amount of time in this one...lol. Doing an autocross vid next for the z06 I think.
Glad to see you defend the C5 Corvette form trolls that cannot understand its purpose: TO CREAT AN AMERICAN SPORTS CAR THAT COMPETES WITH CARS VIEWED AS BETTER, BUT CAN GIVE THEM A SERIOUS RUN FOR THEIR MONEY & PRESTIGE. WHILE COSTING A FRACTION OF THE PRICE! Thank You, Sir. "IT'S GOOD TO SE THAT AMERICA STILL BUILDS ROCKETSHIPS"!
Great video, very informative, i cant afford z06 so i boight next best thing c5 coupe, which in my eyes is best car under 12k
Definitely a great car for that price, no question. Especially with mods...cant beat it as a starting point.
nowotarzan C5 is a beautiful car and in my opinion, the second best looking corvette next to the C2👍🏼
Great video dude been having my C5 for years now and it's a beast , GM put a lot into this Corvette many new cars now and not the cheap ones don't have near the tech that these have . for example the Dic a lot of information transmission temp , each wheel pressure to name a couple, ya I love my old 1997 vet it looks just like yours by the way totally blacked out . sweet car you have keep it don't get rid of it you'll thank me later.
I want to thank you for being the kind of rational well educated car guy who understands that a 20 year old platform should not be judged by current standards but by what it was in it's day, and how well it compares to those standards now. The C5 is a Milestone of engineering that only recently has been eclipsed by the C8. The C7 and C6 were just improvements on the C5 standard, and while they have a niche in the lexicon of Corvette lore , are just filler between the C5 and C8.
Yeah, the C5-C7 Is going to be quite an era for the car. The capability was proven, the value factor, etc. C8 has a lot to live up to for enthusiats. I dont think simple speed and performance gives it a win...its going to need to match all the factors that Dave Hills architecture accomplished...generally high performance and reliability, good value proposition that just packed the used market with options. C8 presents new challenges for shadetree guys and people building cars on jack stands. The DCT will have to be reliable at higher power levels and on track or building these cars is going to become a deeper pockets venture than it currently is, even as they trickle down in price, in the used maret. Time will tell but...C5-C7 locked in a human generation of used performance and track cars for decades to come, regardless. Thanks for watching
This guy hits the nail on the head! I'm so sick and tired of guys like Doug Demauro spending 9 minutes on cupholders and plastic and 2 minutes driving and talking about the car itself. I have owned MANY cars of this nature. 996/911, 335is jb4 tuned, 09 Viper, Kenne Bell blown Mustang etc... Doesn't have a shitty IMS bearing like my 911 that blew and cost 12k to fix, Doesn't have constant check engine lights/ vacuum leaks, wastegate problems, turbo failures, high pressure fuel pump failures like the BMW. Catastrophic engine failure on the Viper that I redlined maybe 1/2 dozen times or so . Don't get me started on the Por(sha) which was a constant ass ache. Left me stranded, the interior melted on a hot day, coils constantly blew, more check engine lights than the BMW not nearly as fast and looked decent at best. I love cars and always try new things. The c5 z06 all around is the best PERFORMANCE bang for your buck out there period. Mine has txsp cam, ported and polished heads, long tubes and a great tune. It is 440 whp, weighs 3,000 pounds, out handles all of them, faster than most of them, more comfortable than all of them....never breaks and takes more abuse than all of them put together. It's decent looking, gets alot of thumbs up and sounds absolutely terrifying at redline. That's what these cars are all about...power, handling and FUN! If you give a shit about interior materials and cupholder size, go buy a fucking Lexus. These stupid comments about Audi's having " jewel like" gauges sound like my wife when she's picking out home decor. Half of these betas sound like they should be interior decorators not car guys...
Roll with it they are hilarious. They hammer all products. I drive a zed 06 and like you said I could care less about the interior except side side bolstering for track use. My 427 long tube header cam x pipe smog delete etc I can’t hear anything squeak. I like their station because they are not on the take or a complete fan boy the do solid home work of each car. I enjoyed yours as well and see you on the corvette forum. Nice work plenty of room for opinions
I like SavageGeese a lot actually...just thought the C5Z review was off the mark, and frankly if you watch their recent E39 review, the truths I spoke of are all revealed. Guy was saying he dreamed of that car, and despite the mile long list of E39 issues, the praise never ended...lol.
Great talk-through on the C5 Z06. I'm one of those people trying to find a C5 Z06 presently. I did see the savagegeese video, and was a little discouraged by it, but I'm in your category; don't really care about the interior amenities or impressing friends.
I especially appreciate the film clips of the Corvette engineers and your historical perspective on its development, and the constraints they were under at that time. I still think the C5 Z06 is one of the sexiest sports cars on the road. Technologically, it has held up very well in my opinion.
The car has definitely held up well over time. Performance wise, its without question. The interior, shy of some very basic seats, doesnt bother me an ounce. Seats and a steering wheel...whole different car and a whole different experience. You wont regret a C5Z. Good luck on your search. Many more vids ahead. I was unable to comtinue through this covid business, but vid production comin back on.
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Amazing perspective. Keep up the great work boss 🙌
Appreciate it. More vids comin.
I’m a big fan of the C5 Z06. I’m a banker by profession but I’m a gearhead I am. I’ll probably owned 35+ Corvettes ranging from 1961 to 2007. I currently on an 03 with 40,000 miles. I really appreciate your honesty and what you have done to represent this car. For those critical snobs go spend a ton of money on a car that we may blow your doors off for a fraction of the price.
Ha ha!
Great vid on a great car. The new C8 steps away from what I personally want out of my sports car. I think this is why I loved my 1973 more than all the others . It was raw, honest and a blast to drive at half the speeds of the more modern vettes.
Absolutely. The newer machines are nice, but they are becoming so good, that they just took away from that connection. We are now using bose speakers to pipe in engine sounds and we have electric steering, electric brakes and throttle...all the real connections...vibrations that made your foot feel the motor through the throttle cable...its all those little things lost, in the name of refinement. New vid uploading tonight though! Its a juicy one...heavy editing pain my pc went through.
Great video! It's amazing how quickly people have forgotten what the car industry was producing at the time the C8 Corvette Z06 was created. It was a fabulous advancement in the performance of the American car and was the beginning of the capabilities of the current Corvettes.
That was supposed to say C5 Corvette Z06. I hate auto correction on my tablet.
@@stevefoisy4834 I knew what you meant, and absolutely agree. The C5Z was praised, all around by the media, when it debuted. There's no question, that if you spend your time riding around in a 3LT C7, and an Audi A7, that if you get into a C5Z...yes, it'll feel old and dated and cheap...of course. On the flip side though, I used to share drive time between this C5Z and an 86 Testarossa, and I can tell you...the C5Z felt like a modern marvel in every way, compared to that car, but again...I didn't care because the Testarossa was such a car in sound, presence and I just loved being in it...I could've been sitting on an egg crate and loved it.
As a Corvette owner (C2 327, C4ZR1, C6 LS3, C7 Z51, and now C5Z in order) I gotta say the interior is what put me off the C5 and its what I still hate about it. I ended up swapping the seats, the steering wheel, the shifter, the seatbelts, completely re-did the carpet and insulation, and flocked my dashboard. Then swapped out the head unit for a double din one. I can't stand the look of the climate control and I'm working on a faceplate for it now.
I really wish I could put a C6 dashboard and C7 center console in the car but honestly just a nice center console with a usable or no cupholder would be nice. Then the door panels...I would like to move the buttons from the panels to the center but honestly some Porsche style ones with storage and a pull strap with SWITCHES instead of buttons would have me extremely happy. I think swapping the vent styles would also be nice.
I use the Corvette as a track/car meet car. I daily drive and autocross my S2000 and also have a Lexus 400h for a daily too. I really considered replacing my Corvette with a 987.2 Cayman S for the money.
I have had the E92 335i and it's horrifying to own. I can DIY and mine with a solid tune, upgraded turbos etc... It was gaskets, water pumps and such that drove me crazy. I think the C5Z is still over valued by many owners who think it will be collectable. A lot of owners believe it's worth more because it wasn't driven or so on. It's $15k for most and $20k for BringAtrailer like new pristine all documentation cars.
I'll take a 5.3L swapped Miata with a Getrag diff over a C5Z but at my age (26) I can't insure it as a personal car. I could use it for my business but I want to drive my cars more often. I think these are going to briefly go up in value then go down. It's mass produced and the Z06 isn't much better than a C5 on the road when it comes to modifications. It's a cam and heads away from a C5. There are other differences but not enough to set it THAT far ahead.
5.3 S2k maybe, Miata a little small for me. I built a Miata back in the day...1.8 swapped it, lots of suspension and tire...fun car, but too small. Hard to beat a C5Z for the cost and the starting point you get out of it, as a platform to mod on. BMW's, especially the 3 series...the interiors definitely fall apart...mostly the headliner and pillars, a lot of delam on door panels.
Geese wants to impress the friends though...so...best car I could think of that has that "oh how impressive" if you're friends are all rust belt or midwest jobs who think owning a euro car means you've made it in life.
Love the S2k...owned one for years, along side this C5Z back when I was supercharged. Still could step out of the C5Z at 580whp and jump in the S2k and have a great drive...totally different car.
Great video man! I am about to pull the trigger on a c5 z06 and this definitely helped.
Make sure ya watch my recent headlight kit and corner sequential videos too...maybe itll push ya more! Haha
Savage geese does a lot of sarcasm. Him not liking certified things does not make people hate it. It's all just opinion, I still love the car. You might have let your anger blind you to the humor. I didn't see it as them just shitting on it. I still want one.
Great video! Couldn’t help but notice your breathing patterns though man. Hope you’re doing good! Love the car.
lol...believe me...these videos often involve a lot of running around, setup, move this here and there...then I try to hurry and shoot what I need. I try to look calm and relaxed but often am running all over to shoot and setup and pull down. CZcams a lot of fn work...lol. Altitude where I was is a bit up there too...3200k ft or so...
Solid video. Can’t wait to see additional content.
In edit as we speak...custom carbon widebody and parts for c5 and c6 coming also
KnightDriveTV Definitely have my attention. I’m still on the lookout for another C5Z. Do you have a website setup for your business oriented toward the C5Z?
Its in the background. I am adding product and things...another month or so. I have custom designed shirts, 3d printed parts and the carbon stuff. Just dealing with a lot of bs in 2020...lol
Found your channel by looking up savageese response vids during the livestream, chatted with you in the livestream, and now I connected the two, hah. Good video and interesting back and forth in the comments. Appreciate your level headed attitude! Keep up the good work.
Thanks man. I did the same...took a look at what youre doing over there. I saw some dsm action. I just started givin this youtube bit a run. 2020, I am gonna give it a full show, see what I can make of it. I left the stream but I am gonna check out some of your vids...see what you have goin on. I am a former import guy 100%, built lots of forced induction systems for dsm, honda and nissan. I do Corvettes now and some general car stuff. Lots comin on my end ahead.
Hahaha wow that's awesome! Wouldn't have expected lots of import action given your current channel content. Yeah TBH I basically own a bunch of rusty old cars in various states if disrepair, but I'm reviving them and having fun. 2020 will hopefully be big for me as well! Always happy to support other small CZcamsrs so I'm subscribed. :)
Great video feel the same way about my C5Z
Admittedly, the SavageGeese video got my nose slightly out of joint. It seemed like they took the easy way out with all the pot-shots at the C5Z... and its owners... the same tired old clichés. You'll be old one day too! (if you're lucky!) After I sold my Backdraft Racing Cobra replica back in 2016 (all-aluminum 427 Windsor stroker... 612 hp/615 tq), I lasted a year before I went shopping for another toy. I bought an '04 C5Z from the original owner with 8600 miles on it. Relative to the Cobra, I found it supremely comfortable & much more livable, not to mention efficient. And what a blast to drive... docile around town, but when you lay into the pedal, it just takes off like a rocket. I guess they couldn't do another praising video... Doug DeMuro already did that.
I've known some cool ass old dudes...I aint worried one bit...lol.
I thank you C5Z06 owner here. Also bmw 3 series interiors falls to shit and the radio display goes away randomly and comes back... speaking from experience. Oh yea the steering wheel also peels and if you have a sunroof the liner sags lol
Isiah Gomez Yeah, I have had several BMW’s myself and I had much the same issues; interior failures, electronic issues. Inevitably, I discovered after shooting this video, low and behold, SavageGeese bought an E92 as his preferred daily a couple yrs back. I admire the E92 M3, and I think it has its place, but you wont see them at a track day very often, for good reason.
Great video. This car was not made to be luxurious. It was made to perform. Real car guys like you know this. Maybe those guys should stick to geese. That being said I love mine more than my single turbo n54 6466 135i with 658whp.
Also the reliability is amazing I’m about 500whp in my Z fbo e85. I cant get a week out of my bmw without throwing a code and I baby it. It’s never ending maintenance even if your anal and stay on top of things like me. It will be going up for sale soon. The Z is replacing it.
Yeah, the reliability factor of the LS platform and the c5/c6 is what makes it an easy decision over even mid 2000 bmw's. E46 began the era of the weekly problem plague. If you're somewhat savvy and have the bavarian tool most of it is manageable but never-the-less, a pain. Even when my Z06 was supercharged...it was basically gas and oil and pound the hell out of it...never skipped a beat.
@KnightDrive - I agree a lot with your comments here...but, I love the fact that Savagegeese downed the C5 Z06 and I am glad it went viral... saved *me* about 5G's when I picked up my '04 C5 Z06 about 2 weeks ago.. lol. Does that video show sarcasm? Yeah, it reeks of it, it's funny and the sock down the pants thing and sailors hat was hilarious. Sadly, that was probably the best part of the video. The rest... not so much. Are they biased? Definitely. They sound like a pair of guys that aimed to find fault in it and blow it all up out of proportion. I can find fault in anything too, but why? Am I a fan boy? Up until 2 weeks ago I asn't, but now I sure am... and the interior did not deter me from forking over my hard earned cash... and I saw that video way before. Now? I can see how off their entire assessment was after living with the real thing for a couple of weeks and 2000 miles. You can call me a fan boy *now* and I'd agree with you. The car is what it is, and I am loving it every moment!
+KnightDriveTV first, amazing video. Much, much better! Good tone. Good pacing. Loved the simple yet effective cinematography and editing. Great information.
Relative to +Savagegeese ... he knows what he is doing. He does know his cars. He chooses to sometimes present in a cynical matter. For myself, I was quite upset at this specific video, not for how he did it, but because I know he can do better. He knows it has F/R dual A-arms. He knows it is a good autoX car (hell, it destroyed SS for the longest time). I am just upset there was nothing positive or redeeming about his skit.
Thanks for taking the time to do a well made, quality, informative video on the car. I really appreciate it, and can't wait to hear about the autoX experience in the car soon!
P.S. Just wondering if your shoes in the video were and Easter Egg :)
RedHerring Nah, they are all white but not new balances...theyre a trendier nike...lol. If I would’ve done a closeup youd see they were a much more modern/trendy design...lol. The cliche joke is specifically white new balance dad shoes.
I think I summed it up in the final thoughts as best as you can, including the title. Its a great performance car that feels hampered by the lack of passion and commitment from GM corporate to make it what it should have been. They had too make to many compromises because of budget and the car feels far less special because of it.
Beautiful C5. I watched the Savage Geese video today and then happened upon your excellent rebuttal. Thanks.
There is nothing wrong with critiquing and debating each other's points and arguments and actually should encourage, in life, on CZcams and the internet and work and at home. Never be satisfied with the status quo and never stay stagnant, push on ahead and grow
Excellent review! So much better than their review. Great content man, keep it up. Just subscribed
Awesome thank you for that! Lots of videos coming. Been focusing on headlight kit manufacturing for the channel, but videos on the comeback
Excellent rebuttal to the Geese video, two thumbs to this video 👍🏾👍🏾
atlking100 Appreciate it! Just wanted to counterbalance his video. More views and subs helps, new vids comin!
Love the video and channel my dude. You mentioned the 335i which I agree is a great option. I currently have a 335is which I love but I’m considering moving on for a C5 Z06 because I wanting a more focused performance car. My 335is is heavy and it’s also lacking a LSD which has always bothered me.
Love your work man. It’s obvious you are doing this out of passion for cars and it shows. ✊🏻
335i is definitely a good foundation. End of day though C5Z just has a reliability/simplicity and focused edge. Interior stuff can be dealt with...seats, creature comforts, etc. Core chassis, drivetrain and potential is pretty endless though. Thanks for watchin!
@@KnightDriveTV I totally agree and I think that's what is really drawing me to the Z. I have wanted one ever since I read a old Car & Driver back when it first came out. I'm thinking a 03/04 in millennium yellow is the one for me.
Spot on- savagegeese put out a terrible video on this one. And I say this as a non-loyalist to any car brand, but as a car enthusiast that appreciates good cars.
Independence City Motoring The vid was bad man...I was just like...are these guys serious? This is what youtube gives us though...great content creators dont necessarily equal the best car insights and knowledge. The fact that some of these reviewers have massive influence and pass on some ridiculous opinions...just makes me have to jump in the game and give it a shot!
The C5 ZO6 debuted in 2001 and ran through 2004 the interior was fine for that error I mean Christ what do people want a sports car or a Cadillac. I think over all this model is the classiest corvette ever made the hard top convertible look is awesome it's super clean looking I remember when they first came out they were 55,000 plus a 5,000 dollar dealer fee a lot of car for the money at the time let's see the goons that made fun of the ZO6 make fun of the C8 ZR1 900 bhp twin turbo dohc 32V mid engine all wheel drive that's being est. To run the quarter mile in the low 9 second range off the show room floor. Nice video buitiful corvette take it easy buddy
Finally, someone says the C5 interior isn't the worst thing ever. I have no problem with the C5 interior. Like you said , part of it being minimalist is its weight saving which is one of the reasons it is so damm fast (3100#). Also if you're gonna be the fastest sports car under $20000 you're not going to have the interior of a 1/2 a million dollar Ferrari. Anyway great video, C5 Z06 is 1 of the baddest cars ever built. The original American super car
Exactly...its a simple concept really but...some people just get wound up in it. Porsche can make a nylon strap into a door handle and theyll praise it for lightweight racing ideology...but they will tear up the z06 for recycled plastic bottle interior. I didnt buy the car to have leather stitching and infotainment.
Awesome looking car!!! I have a 07 convertible. Love it. It'll run with ferrari 355 and 360 for much much less. Mine has no squeaks or rattles. It is my daily driver
Yeah, I had a 355 for a few months (I brokered it). Car sounded awesome with a Tubi exhaust and the drivetrain was fantastic but...the rest of the car was just trash. My Z06 will run circles around a 355 and I actually owned my Z just before I sold the 355. I drove the Z more...360 is a much better car. So, I definitely agree with ya!
@@KnightDriveTV then of course we dip into the 427 and the supercharged vettes. The vette is definitely no joke, which I know you agree. Dollar for dollar i truly believe the vette is the smartest bargain for the price.
OMG! I just wanted to watch a video on C5s. I stepped into a WAR! This car evokes PASSION!
Haha...yeah, it does...
Before anyone belittles the C5 Corvette, they need to read the book "All Corvettes are red" Excellent in depth, behind the scene look at what it took to make the C5.
Indeed...great info in there for sure...owned it many years
@@KnightDriveTV I appreciate my C5 more now after reading that book.
Totally with you man..... I looked at a new Camaro today and there's not even a handbrake. I could give a shit less about a touch screen or any of that nonsess. The sound of the engine is the entertainment.
hey dude, I loved the savage geese video, and your take on an american classic. Keep doing what you're doing.
rnm1 Appreciate it man. Just wanted to offer some input and a different view so that viewers can see a different perspective is all. Lots more coming. Wish all I could do is make vids but life is a B.
I love my c5
I got it for 5 g
With 7 problem
I fixed everything with the option button. I only spent $200 on parts
Thx u Chevy for great car
gomas Mas Thats awesome man. Great deal for sure! Cant beat a C5 for that price.
2nd time I have watched this vid...very good and honest approach to what makes the C5 series so amazing...all things considered! I own two of them, an FRC and a Convert, one heavily modified (FRC) and other mostly stock! I also own a Porsche turbo and have hand many other Porsches and M series BMW's etc. Hands down for realistic everyday needs and cost of ownership, the C5 ranks at the very top. Sure my 86 Porsche turbo has better build quality, however out of warranty, all of the others lose out, or should I say cost tremendously more to own!
Thats awesome man, appreciate it. Glad I could lend some insight or any info. I have lots more coming on the c5z and mods ahead.
At last, a smart rundown of the C5 interior.
great lookin car, good styling and looks so damn good in black
Thanks for watching! Car is about to change dramatically though, stay tuned! Big stuff comin! Custom carbon body parts imminent!
Best C5 Z06 video I've ever seen !! I love my 2002 ZO6 ! I've owned close to 90 cars in my life and the C5 Z06 ranks up there as one of the best !!
Awesome comment man. I agree, as you can tell! I have a lot comin vid wise. I am gonna push the market to recognize the C5Z vid by vid! I am workin on something ahead; should push that objective quite a bit.
@@KnightDriveTV Can't wait to see the upcoming videos !! Thanks buddy
I wanted a 997 911 really bad, but ended up getting a C7 because of I wanted a Porsche for $40k, I was looking at a Cayman. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes it's embarrassing, but ultimately, after three years, I love it now and I think people love it too. It's a real blue collar brute and I actually like the rough edges. Don't be a snob like was and just try one. All corvettes are cool.
I am about to release the 991.2 gt3 vs 992 gt3 video and I'll be honest man...I drove both on track...the cars are enjoyable, but my Z06, modded as it is, is a tremendously competitive and fun car and hangs with those in my book, in many ways.
100% agree with you SavageGeese was not putting the context.
I agree with both arguments. A) interior is lame! Period! It’s cheap Chevy plastics. Mine with 36k miles does squeak. B) it’s a sports car, and a worthy one. Eyes forward. Who cares about the interior. The car is fast out the box and low. You need to pay attention. Performance for price is why this car is a winner. Can’t wait to start mods on mine
Lots ahead on this channel in the coming weeks and months you wont wanna miss! Thanks for watching, congrats on your new Z
I agree and I'm definitely interested in purchasing this car as a project car! There was a time when I was looking for a 1999 the only year made without out a hatch! But the ZO6 fixed that!
99 and 00 for frc actually, then 2001-04 for Z06. Love FRC's even...affordable and great cars. The fixed roof coupes make the c5 stand apart and I like it because of that
@@KnightDriveTV I see i thought it was only 99 I didn't realize also 00 they made them! I was seriously trying to find one but it was difficult! I owned an FD3S RX7 and loved it but ofcourse went through plenty of apex seals over the years! The C5 FRC in my opinion closely reminded me of the 3rd gen RX7 except it had the reliability of a LS V8! I'm currently looking at a 04 ZO6 for sale with 40k on clock for 16K in pretty good shape! as a project car!
Please do a C5 Z06 vs C6 review. Deciding on which way I want to go.
Its so damn tough to compare but, there are definitely some key differences. Our C6 is down (as of 3 days ago), so I have to do some quick repairs but, its a vid that definitely needs done. I have seen a few comparison vids and they miss a lot of key points I feel like. I have an auotcross vid coming and that one on the schedule, so keep an eye out shortly.
NOLA NATION 9 Performance, the C6 will win. For me though, I love the look of the C5Z06 and it still has amazing performance. Also last Vette with pop up headlights. That’s got to count for something😬👍🏼
C6 guy here, loved the video and also love c5s too, whether it’s a z car or not c5s are a wonderful deal in the performance world and are beautiful cars. Luckily most the parts for these Vettes aren’t too pricey and neither are motors really if worst came to worst. The ls3 cars are getting to be a good deal but honestly in a way the ls2 c6 cars are a stupid good deal right now.
Yeah, the C6 LS2's are falling under the radar because the 2008+ cars are so close in reach. Beauty of the LS2 is the 4" bore...so lots of head options for that motor over the LS1/6. Going to be uploading much more often; all good Corvette stuff ahead, as well as some Corvette product exclusive to this channel only. Keep an eye out! Thanks for watchin!
Just subbed! Cant wait for more videos on the c5!
Awesome video and information.....where did you film this?....beautiful scenery
I shot all this in west Las Vegas in Red Rock...Red Rock is a protected land but has a few homes that were owned prior to the establishment of the area as protected. Its a pretty hidden spot thats really sweet. Crazy mountains and rock behind there
Wow that is ironic... I just left a review on sg video bringing up basically the same ideas. You just earned a sub, looking forward to seeing some of your other videos.
Awesome, thanks...lots more vids ahead!
1000% agree!! Own both an 06 and 04 z.
Enjoyed the video and agree completely with your commentary.
Appreciate it. Workin on more great vids ahead. Thanks for watchin
True the interior is not that bad, especially for that time. Porsche 911 for that era had similar plastics and actually more prone to break, sticky and discoloring. Aftermarket is huge for any corvette, my interior with hydrocarbon, chrome, leather etc looks pretty amazing now for not a lot of $. C5 is pretty timeless design:)
True, the 996 interior is pretty bad also and the steering wheel has no telescope. The Z06 is a whole level above the Carrera of that time and more on par with the Viper or 360 Modena.
@@AnonAnon-qi4ts it’s sad too many people think all porsche products are superior, far from the truth. It goes for many other brand names as well, if some people have too much money they buy the most expensive toys to show off. I buy other beauties that are also affordable;)
I still don't understand how my C5 Z06 gets such good mpg while destroying nearly everything. I bought mine with an LS3 swap and a salvage title for 13k! I can trap it at 124 mph and get 30 mpg on the freeway! I'm about to set it up for better handling now. So many options and the parts are cheap! Thinking about the square set up and taking on some high dollar cars! Great channel!
Couldnt agree more man. C5z woth an LS3 or LS7 is helluva combo. Check out my square setup video for details on mine. Cant go wrong though...great mpg, fast as hell, light, handles like a bitch if you set it up right...for sure.
Those 235i's are great alternative too for under $20k. They are surprisingly cheap for the performance
235i's are at 3400+lbs, and are pulling 22k+ on avg at this point. So, it exceeds the 20k mark of the video. Even if you did procure a high mile 235i, the power/weight vs a C5Z is a no comparison...C5Z will destroy a 235i in track performance. The 335i example I gave targeted a 10k'ish purchase price then 10k for mods to get the car in a power/weight/handling range that would give a somewhat similar experience to the C5Z stock, but with a better interior. I think you'd have to put 5-10k in mods to the 235i to even come close to a C5Z on track (but still would lose), and at that point, you're in C6Z money, which again will destroy the modded 235i AND has a mildly better interior. thanks for watching and commenting man...good points and questions, thanks!
@@KnightDriveTV Oh yes, taking all the track work into the equation there is no comparison!! The interior issues with the C5 and C6 are so overblown it has gotten annoying. OK yes the C5 steering wheel and gauges are not my favorite (neither is the C6 steering wheel), but like you said, light weight materials make for a light weight car. You have to give up something somewhere, at least their stuff works and is supported by GM decades later for replacement parts.
The built in decoder is cool... pity they lost it in the C6
i had a 2002 Z06 and loved the performance but hated the interior. I have a 2008 Z06 now and still love the performance and tolerate the interior, it is still pretty bad. I won't however buy a C7 because I value having a light NA car more than the other stuff.
This video sealed the deal for me.
That's awesome man....glad to hear it!
Thank you for this response video. The “tongue & cheek” (intro only) savage geese video was about as cliché as a review can get. The potential for an intriguing and thought provoking review was there. However spewing the very well know idiosyncrasies of the almost two decade old C5 Z06 in a 2019 video appeared to be such a lazy approach. SG has really set forth some excellent automotive content, perhaps that’s why I was let down.
I agree entirely. Most of his work is fantastic...I just felt the C5Z review was a let down. Especially as I watched more of his videos...I was like man, a lot of these are really great videos, which I think affected me.much the same way. I was thoroughly disappointed that the C5Z video took the shape it did. More ahead and I am testing something new, for specific subscribers. I will discuss in my next c5z mod video. Thanks for watching
Thank you for the reply. I have seen a few of your Corvette videos in the past however after watching this video you just earned a new subscriber. Any type of performance related automotive content gets a big thumbs up from me.
Good job man
Appreciate it. More to come...I have some good ones planned.
Really solid advice here.
Thanks man, appreciate it
Beautiful car...great video...keep up the great work...Thank you 👍🏻
My complaint was they uttered the phrase "Miata" in that review. No need to explain how offensive that was. You keep emphasizing weight, "mass", as being important. Something tells me you don't do a lot of racing of your car, especially roll racing. It's really power on the streets. You need to see a C7 Z06 take off from a roll, or maybe a late model Mustang Gt, or just race a bunch of people from the seat of a stock C5, and I can tell you, power and torque are 1000x more important than weight. It is not until you get down to motorcycle weight that weight will win. Just my own experience, owning 3 Corvettes now. My only other opinion is just the "pandemic pricing" car economy we are in today. I can't get parts for my C6, even from GM. And people are asking way too much for even super high mileage sports cars of every year. I wish I had kept my C5 Z16, at the $27k I paid for it with 1000 miles on the odometer. When I sold that car at about 30k miles, the interior was perfect. The exterior the same, every inch of it like new after being stored outdoors in Virginia for 7 years. My C6, I can't say the same for at all. Great video! Thanks.
I own a C5 2003 50th Anniversary Limited Edition Special Red. ONLY 1,806 ORIGINAL MILES SHOWROOM CONDITION Z06 6SPD
Great video 👍 Z06 all day!
Sir, I recently purchased a mint 96 Corvette CE edition with the LT-1 auto. I love the car but am thinking about a C5 Z06. The only reason I did not initially buy the latter one is that I am a below the knee amputee (as of a few years ago) and wondered about my ability to drive one comfortably. I know how to drive a manual (many sports cars) and have since drove lesser manuals successfully. I believe this option is now a go. Is there another site where I can reach you through email or quieter communication? I am worried about the cost investing in the C4 not paying off nearly as much as the C5 LS engine/chassis base. I love both cars and enjoyed your other video on the white C4 lowered. Take Care!!
Email is in the description sir, and I am username: "K.I.T.T." on corvetteforum.
This is probably the best info car video of its kind, I’m subscribing! Fuck those pretentious Savage Geese, Porsche pronouncing know it all’s. Give me an American made , Vette: fun, fast, road car and I’m happy! I have a C2, C3, C7 and looking at C8 & C5! Semper Fi!
Apologize for a word that’s in my comments, I hit send before editing out that word, sorry! Never meant to send it with that language!
All good man...lol
Good info, but you can’t take SG very seriously haha
Nah...just a way to piggyback a vid is all. I think the two combined give a pretty good picture. The "zed" thing though...yeah...was definitely triggerin me out. I can't stand regurgitation. Thanks for watching man...appreciate it.
Facts FTW
What wheels are those?? Can you provide tire sizes too?? Thank you! Looks sick!
Its all in the square setup video!! Thanks for watchin!
Hey knightdrive! Love the look on the C5z, what is the wheel/tire setup on it currently? Looking to do it myself on mine. Cheers!
18x11 et53 Forgestar F14 Deep series on all four corners. There is a vid talking about the square setup. Thanks for watching!
As someone who grew up driving this car on need for speed the C5 z06 is one of those special cars. Some cars I will never understand why people go crazy for namely the old Type Rs, I understand the NSX and the RX7 ECT but those old fwd Honda's SMH .
When I had my first corvette...C4 LT1 6spd. Car is definitely quick enough...13's in the 1/4. I tuned engine management on a bunch of hondas...massive numbers of them. One guy I tuned had a 194whp Integra...that car ran hard with my Corvette. If you ever get the chance to drive a civic or integra with a B18c or a properly done swap like a K or H...youll be surprised. They are a lot of fun to drive.
@@KnightDriveTV
I have I grew up with guys that loved them, too much wheel hop and tq steer. I mean they are cool for what they are but they just are no Supra and RX7 to me not even on the s2000 level.
Now the new type R that is a totally different story.
There is joy to a 2400 lbs. high revving Honda. I have a C7 and a Fiesta ST. I grew up with Civics and Integras. They all have a different feeling, but a really well setup fwd flickable little hatch is just as or more fun on a real tight road than a Vette or Mustang. In traffic with good visibilty and size it's better too. Around little 90 degree corners in town is a hoot in little cars.
Sup boss. I enjoy your videos.... Question... How’s the fit in the car? I am in the market for a C5 and I am a bigger guy (6 ft 250lb).... Seems you’re a big guy too. You got a fair amount of room or will I feel like i’m in a miata
I actually had a Miata yrs back that I built...way way tighter in a Miata. I had an s2000 next, definitely better. We have this C5Z and the 09 C6...C5Z fit is great, even with a helmet on. I am 6'2, 250 and have absolutely no issues. C7's start to feel tight like am s2k did, but C5 us good to go, C6 gets slightly tighter and lose headroom. C5, in its design was actually made to accommodate this engineer that was 6'6 on the Corvette team. From there, Corvettes got smaller inside.
KnightDriveTV Appreicate the answer! I want to be semi comfortable in it.. The miata was just way too small for regular life
Miata is just incomparable...so small compared to c5z or reg c5...huge difference.
Have you tracked the car? Opinions on the brake setup. What suspension are you running? Etc
I have, and all those details are in my z06 mod vid...its got the Z06 in satin white pearl in the thumbnail. Its a long vid but its broken up and details everything.
Kind of commenting about the savage geese retorts and yours....if you have had the luxury to drive over 100,000$ dollars car(s) and then hop in a c5 your basis of comparison would be far jaded then lets say someone that has owned a 350z/370z a 5.0 mustang, turboed 4 banger, etc when jumping in a corvette c5. Its all perspective of what you have driven in which returns the level of authenticity in how you evaluate a cars "ranking." For instance matt farah from the smoking tire has driven 100s if not 1000's of stock and modified vehicles and Im sure he can appreciate a c5 being that he does own one. The more cars you have driven then the more specificity in how they resonate with you but In my opinion in some degree muddies the water on appreciating vehicles that are obtainable buy the average salary like a c5. Of all vehicles corvettes c5/c6/c7 seems to hold their value a hell of a lot better then most other vehicles.
Excellent video!
Saw absolutely nothing wrong with Savagegeese's video....it's an opinion video with sarcasm intertwined through the whole thing. As a Terminator owner, their Terminator review was the same way and most of it was pretty accurate. Never seen so many people take review videos so seriously, as if it was going to have some kind of ill-effect on the future of C5-Z06 values or something.
All the videos bolster the value, if anything. I suppose you weren't privy to the rap controversy/battles of the 90's....it sold more music for all involved. This was the same approach.
@@KnightDriveTV so you’re saying it was all intentional? Because the rap battles of the 90’s, the glam rock battles of the 80’s, etc were all staged.
Regardless, my comment was more toward all of the other comments that take both videos way too serious. It’s all entertainment
I watch savage geese and very much respect his channel. I thought his c5 video was a good opportunity to disagree with some aspects of their analysis. In the long run, I think videos like mine push channels like his to really do better and constantly improve. His corvette videos that followed were solid...and you cant tell by his comments watching them that they did take backlash into account with his they represent certain factors. I get his channels jokes and sarcasm and its all in good fun, I just felt that as a channel with C5 and C6 content, I wanted to clarify where his channel was in error. In the end, it helped both our channels and thats good.
@@KnightDriveTV yes, but you act like their video and comments were wrong. They weren’t: they’re their opinions, opinions that many people share and many disagree with. He hasn’t changed his stance on anything, simply different opinions for different generations and models of Vettes.
Nice work!
I was tempted to give a not so nice comment on "their" review but I realize they are just arrogant, young, pathetic fools who are not fanboys but simply just horse's asses who think they are smarter than they really are.
Bottom line they couldn't find anything to complain about the performance so they pick on the interior. I own a low mileage 2002 Z06 and it brings a smile to my face every time I drive it.
Yep, all truth. That little dude Savagegeese likes all those simp cars too...miatas and z4's and cars like that. Great cars in their own right, now doubt, but it makes him a big boy car hater apparently.
@@KnightDriveTV funny how a lot of these younger guys always like to call someone butthurt if they are challenged or dont like a comment. I certainly do not ever get "butthurt" but enjoy calling out bias when I see it. Labeling someone that is simply a weak tactic to try and shut someone down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to speak their mind. They say their piece and I say mine. Me personally, I like a vast number of different cars out there and always have been a car guy.
Yeah, I appreciate a very broad spectrum. All cars are compromises of cost, manufacturing, regulation, etc. I owned an S2000 at the same time I hade my Z06 supercharged and could get out one and into the other and just loved life. I had Miatas, Hondas, to Ferrari 355 and Porsche. C5 Corvette Z06 is just such a hell of a middle ground and driving all those different platforms really showed me that.
Savage Geese is an AWESOME reviewer! But if he thinks the C5s interior bad, wait till he sits in a C4! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or a Porsche 996 apparently.
Nothing wrong with any of these interiors. It’s what they were back when these cars were current. C4 is 1980’s flavor = awesome 👍🏼
I always am amused when the key board Parrot slugs say, but the C6 has a Cobalt steering wheel.
And a Lambo Diablo had 300zx headlights. Nothing wrong with focusing the investment on the parts of the vehicle required to meet objectives. Porsche shares steering wheels, the S2000 had an insight steering wheel...this isnt new nor GM specific
@@KnightDriveTV they could say, the Cobalt has a Corvette steering wheel. but that would be too easy.
Gorgeous car, what wheels/ rim combo? I'm looking at picking up a C5 very soon. Stoked!
Stefan Tank I have a vid givin all the details. Check my square setup vid for exact details. Forgestar F14’s, 18x11 all four corners...specs in the vid. Thanks for watchin!
I do love the vette but I was at the dealership and was looking at a c 6 and the clown laughed at me getting out of it I agree with age I don't bend like I use to that is my issue with the vette I like the hinden lights