The Rings of Power: Ep. 7 - I HATE THIS! - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex review the 7th episode the WORST Penultimate Episode I've seen in a long time. Where is this all going? We review and speculate how this disaster of bad writing happened.
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Time Galadriel spends looking for Sauron: 1000 years
Time Galadriel spends looking for her missing husband: 0 years
Galadriel is the worst. She makes this whole war just about her.
She also has daughter CelebrĂan who should be married to Elrond
Galadriel is completely out of character. She was have supposed to have learnt great wisdom from Melian the Maia in the first ageâŠ.. these writers thought they could improve the work of the greatest fantasy writer of all time, what hubris. I just donât understand what planet these guys come fromâŠ.
Independent woman
@@TonyStark-wr7ob please don't insult independent women. Galadriel character is just badly written. You cant relate to her and her arc
The scene of the queen talking about the Numenoreans returning was quite poetic. She was essentially breaking the fourth wall to tell the audience a second season will happen and then they zoom over to a guy crying which represents the audience.
Need this in meme form
Ballâs in your court Paul - memes have been requested. I call you to fulfill your oath! đ
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@@TheReaIHoneybadger Save your memes for the season finale. Weâll need all the ammunition we can muster.
Beautiful comment. 10/10. Preesh.
For anyone who doesn't get how insane this episode is, just look what a pyroclastic flow does to the areas around a volcano, let alone people. When Mt. Vesuvius went off, it was so hot and so fast, it turned people to ash statues in whatever pose they were in at the time. Literally flash frying them in an instant.
But Targaryens don't get burned by fire silly... This is Galadriel Targaryen
@@squaeman_2644 That would explain her behaviour, she's insane like so many of her family tree.
Your clue to this show being insane is in episode 7when they all survived a volcano!? My first clue that this show was insane was in episode 1 when Guyladriel dove into an OCEAN WITH INTENTIONS TO SWIM BACK ACROSS IT!!! We get that this is fantasy but a world has It's own rules. My question now is what are the capabilities of a thousand year old elf? Are they demi gods?
@@Sacrilege83 Yeah, that was pretty insane, but it's not unheard of for elves to have ridiculous amounts of stamina.
However, even if an elf could survive a pyroclastic flow because of their abilities or some power, the humans definitely wouldn't have.
don't forget the silliness of the volcano erupting in the first place.
This little bit of water would just have evaporated.
HOLY SHIT. I knew that she was going to survive that SCALDING HOT PYROCLASTIC FLOW but not EVERYONE!! HOW?!?!?!
That font change had me and my GF laughing our asses off.
I laughed at the âwe stick together better than anyoneâ speech. The Harfoots? The folks that moved you to the back, with some demanding you be left to die? THEYâRE the ones youâre claiming stick together better than anyone?
Crap, the orcs have been the only honest and loyal group this whole show.
Adar is really cute
They are subverting pur expectations, right? No harfoot is entirely good. They have a dark side. As the orcs now have feelings... This show is an abortion.
i root for the Orks and their leader. Its ridiculous how theyre the most likeable people on the show. Theyre desperate for a home, caring for each other and just fight for their survival.
Maybe its the secret plan to mess everything up, but the orks and make us realise that just because theyre ugly and crude, we should not have prejudice... :D :D
Stop right there Oldspice, how dare you criticise inconsistent writing!
Death to the harfoots death to the numinorians death to the southlands long live the orcs
The kid that talks to Aragorn in the Two Towers has more emotional weight than this entire show
Dude I'm invested in that kids survival every time I watch the Two Towers.
"Haleth son of Hama my lord"
Considering his father was eaten by a Warg scout on the journey to Helm's Deep, he even has a more impactful backstory.
That's a very good point, and true!
Well said...
*I love those ANGRY JOE RANTS they are spot on but itâs hilarious the way he explains it as well though.* đ
28:20-29:54 moobs!
47:39-48:55 facts JOE!
*Keep up the great work AJ/Crew*
Funny part
38:45-39:16 *AJ spot on Galadriel impressions.*
45:32-45:54 *AJ and OJ bro moment.* đȘđœ
Alexs review is spot on as well
What's crazy is that the battle scene at the very beginning of PJ's LOTR, with very little context or setup, is bigger and more exciting than anything in this new series
I get chills every time watching the prologue to fellowship of the ring. It is so epic, grand, inspiring and leaves you wanting to know more about the Second Age. When Elves, Men (and Dwarves - not depicted) fought and died together to defeat the Great Evil. An Age where courage and honour and inherent goodness were paramount. It sucks you right into the world. Rings of Power was supposed to be that story (or lead up to it), but it's just a soulless product, devoid of creativity and thought. One that is more interested in forcing allegory of the writers political ideology, than it is in staying true to Tolkien, or even telling a compelling narrative.
The Total War: Warhammer 3 prologue has more substance and better writing than this show.
But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of men and elves marched against the armies of Mordor. And on the slopes of Mt. Doom, they fought for the freedom of Middle Earth...
*Mordor theme plays*
@@monkfishy6348 the problem is not politics. There is politics in Tolkien's writing too, especially environmentalism. The problem is bad writing, plain and simple.
You gotta give it to the writers, they made us root for Sauron and the orcs. That takes talent.
Lol, never even thought about this but you're right. I want Sauron to give the rings out and fuck shit up.
I always root for the villains. I was team Sauron from the beginning.
pretty sure that was another political move and its on purpose......''theyre not dangerous theyre just from another country'' is what we're meant to learn here......
true grey morals.
Lol good one!
Alex: "But Twitter isn't real life."
If only the writers of this show understood that!
If only the rest of mass media entertainment and so on understood that...
They do undrstand that but they also understand how to make up excuses for their terrible writing
If only corporate media and all the people who are on the political left understood this
THIS. Twitter pushes the opinions that get more interactions so these would be either the opinion of some celebrity, politician etc or a highly controvesial opinion that causes a lot of stir. Most of the tweets that appear on your screen belong to extremist people, normal takes get buried.
Alex has taken the red pill
"You can't satisfy your thirst by drinking saltwater". Epic. Can't wait to see all the t shirts for sale with that slogan.
In 1966, Galadriel scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against her old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon
Long live al Bundy
"You're willing to accept elves and dragons, but you won't accept American football?"
Elendil crying scene is genuine. He had a sudden realization on the spot "Why the fuck am I doing this? đ"
And the director thought: "Hmm good stuff, we'll keep this in."
That was a cry of desperation
He realized that this show will forever be stuck on his resume đ.
That wasn't even Elendil crying, that was the actor wondering why he ever took the role
My career is so screwed, FU******K?
AJ evolution of RoP:
Episode 1: It's kind of cool, I'll give it a chance.
Episode 2: It's not that bad, it could get better.
Episode 3: They're doing some things really weird, I don't really like it.
Episode 4: OK, I'm starting to get a little annoying, but they could still fix it.
Episode 5: This is getting upsetting. Why are they doing this?
Episode 6: Now it's really starting to piss me off! They're ruining everyone!
Episode 7: I fucking hate this!
Episode 8: Super Saiyan Angry Joe!
I usually watch the first 10 mins of every video to see Alex's face and general vibe, and its so interesting to slowly see how joe changes his opinion lol
This comment is more interesting than the show itself đ€Ł
Excellent summary.
Yep those are the 8 stages of grief and loss. Perfect example. đ
@@justinl8791 More thought and planning was put into this one comment than the entire script for Rings of Powerđ
Thank you AJ for being optimistic, level-headed and not falling into the rabbits hole of negativity and cynicism. Taking your time, giving it a chance. And to be honest the slow decent into madness is quite entertaining to watch
He's like a liberal with how niave he is. He truly believes the gov/Hollywood and powers that be are trying their best... Or something... When in reality they're chaotic and destructive
The negativity and cynicism is justified. Some people can see through the BS before others.
Toxic positivity is the real issue these days. Where people can't say a negative word about anything without being labelled an ist or phobe.
Amazon have proven this in their fan attacks.
HAHAHAHAHAHA They were right, deal with it.
@@SeanScytheXtreme fr
No one believed me when I said ROP would be awful. I knew it would be when I saw what Amazon did to wheel of time, which should have been a paint by numbers fantasy hit. If they couldn't do a good job with wheel if time, there's no way they could do well with Tolkien.
Glad I'm not the only one who burst out laughing at the Elendil scene. When she called out to him the second time I thought he must have run off, but then it just cut to him crying ahaha
Harfoots: no one gets left behind!
Also harfoots: here's a book of the people we left the behind.
Bees for comedic effect.
Honestly itâs just terrible writing. They were trying to convey like a change of heart from the beginning of leaving people, to sticking together. But thereâs just not enough substance or directing to make the audience feel that way.
@@jacobasnodgrass5853 It feels like a kid trying to write a story for the first time. And it shows.
Let's break their wheels so they get left behind!
@@RabbitShirak or it could be several kids writing different episodes, and none of them checking with each other to ensure continuity in the arcs. I've never seen anything like this show. Characters literally contradict themselves from 1 episode to the next, and in other instances they contradict themselves from 1 minute to the next. Its so bad that this show has become a comedy rather than an epic fantasy.
And I love how Twitter is like "Just turn your brain off and enjoy it" as if their target demographic was catatonic vegetables.
That is their target demographic.
That's Twitters target Demographic so makes perfect sense!
Cowed and Compliant take the shot eat the bugs and don't complain peasant
Ahh, the argument of the corporate shill. "The Transformers movies aren't Shakespeare! Just turn off your brain and then the lazy writing will appear to be "fun" all of a sudden."
I guess no girlfriend eitherâŠ
I laughed so hard at the half foot speech. When they said we watch out for one another above all. Haha, after trying to abandoned them on the road like 3 episodes prior.
Especially as he was the one they were going to abandon.
A story about friendship and hope, now making viewers root for the evil characters.
@Aminu Olawale. The last time the Good people of Valinor gave Melkor, a.k.a Morgoth, a second chance; he murdered the two divine trees of the world, stole the three Silmarils for himself, and brought near ruin to Middle Earth; so I get why Gladriel would never, in her right mind, trust Sauron. With that said, these 'good' characters from the show do not FEEL anything like what they were like in the Middle Earth saga. The way the filming crew has been depicting the Second Age is not only inaccurate, due to poor character portrayals, but it's also BBBBBBOOOOOOORRRRRRRIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!! If I was Bezos, I would have looked for a way to hire on some of the people currently working on "Game of Thrones: The House of The Dragon"; at least it would be interesting, but probably still not 100% lore friendly.
Things I learned from Ep 7:
1. Mithril heals black rot.
2. A leaf can awaken a Balrogs.
3. Pyroclastic flow kills selectively.
4. Galadriel is colder than we thought, (she walked away from all Volcano victims) .
5. Either Celeborn is dead OR he's been kept prisoner for the past 1,000 years OR he faked his death AND left his wife. Right.
6. The writers are still idiots.
(Edited. Thanks MnM)
They just happen to mention Celeborn this episode so, when Guyladriel arrives with Saurbrand and is about to kiss him, he appears like "hey honey, I'm home".... Tun tun tuuuuuun.... đ€Šđ»ââïž
Can you blame him though? She is so bad he probably ran away xD
I'm at minute7 of the ep7 and the worst thing is Galadriel tells Theo 'stay with me' and camera pans 10feet away and we see an old man burning alive moaning and crawling away, villagers stuck in a burning house crying for help, the rest of the cast- Numenor gang show up seconds later.
We see it on screen, might happen in real life, shock, disoriented etc but on film is Galadriel dumb, I was thinking is she going to kill Theo???
@@mnm8818 Galadriel: "Theo, I think you might be Sauron. You were the last person to have the hilt."
Theo: "What? no!"
Galadriel: *Stabs Theo and laughs manically.* "You know what? fuck it! everyone is Sauron! I must kill them all!"
After the premiere, I was bored but decided to commit to season 1. My journey is almost over. Now I know how Frodo felt carrying the ring
I love this đ€Ł
lmao
Great comparison!
Please stop giving your time to them. Thatâs all Amazon wantsâŠa view is a view. And a view is all the praise they need.
Why would you do that to yourself?
Perfectly said Joe. This has made every Tolkien fan pissed. Then the development team and actors double down and attack the fans of Tolkiens work.
I have not seen a single episode of this show but I've watched all the angry joe review episodes. Don't feel like I'm missing a thing
Watch HeelVsBabyfaceâs reviews too.
You have not seen what I have seen.
When Galadriel sprayed her mouth with mithril and screamed "witness me!" and then charged into the pyroclastic cloud, I screamed!
Please don't compare this to that movie. That's the greatest action film ever made and one of the best films in general ever made. (I know you're joking)
Immortan! Immortan Joe!
@@funasylumstudio on par with Road Warrior but agree!
This is the only one of these comments I've ever laughed at and holy s*** I laughed loud as hell
The mental image of Guyladriel using the new, innovative Insta-Lightâą brand mithril spray in majestic slow motion.... simply priceless! đ
Remember folks: IGN gave episode 6 a 10/10 masterpiece đđđ
Dude...Amelia Emberwing at IGN was giving She Hulk episodes 9's. They had to replace her and take her off reviewing the series because her scores were too ridiculous...even for IGN.
@@jagatheeldest5786 IGN is shit for a long time now
You need to remember HotD has been getting 8s and 9s even for Ep1 to 4. Joe gave ep7 "The Jerry Springer" show a 9, a flipping 9.
Joe basically reads the fandom narrative and then goes with the flow. He doesn't review as a neutral.
I wonder who owns IMDB! ?
By no stretch of any fevered imagination was that Ep above an 8
You know everything's off with the writing when you've created so little sympathy for your 'good' characters that Feminem burning their homes, which is presented as an evil act, is actually the thing that got Angry Joe & co. excited and cheering.
Alex's reaction at 51:30 after realizing what he just said is so priceless haha
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"and what the fuck did you just say?" LMAOOOOOO
The fact that this review is longer than the actual show is legendary.
Bravo sir
Fr daddy
Mauler time
On the surface, what you say is intelligent.
And costs roughly a billion dollars less to make đ
I am a hundred time more excited for the review than the actual show.
Yeah đ I stopped watching this show after episode 4 I just watch the reviews now
@@Elatenl I mean I formed my own opinion when my Prime sub expired and I stopped watching this garbage. Now I enjoy watching the train wreck. This shows a fucking joke and I don't need Joe and the crew to prove that to me.
@@Elatenl I lasted 3 episodes. After those you didnt need to be smartest guy in the room to know the rest of the show was gonna be super bad.
@@Elatenl I watched an episode, vomited internally, and now I lurk the internet shitting on anyone who accepts media of this debauched quality.
@@Elatenl Dough-mass
Through out the LOTR saga I have seen elves killed by arrows, swords, spears, etc. I have a hard time believing that an elf, no matter how powerful they may be survive a volcanic explosion. A typical pyroclastic flow can travel up to 400 mph and reach temperatures of 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit. Everyone in that village would have been evaporated.
Exactly. I've read that brains vaporize in that heat, that people are instantly incinerated on touch. I presume the oxygen is burned off as napalm does that. Nobody is going to survive the flow without some very specialised equipment or being a LONG way underground. EVERYBODY should be dead.
But it's Galadriel SHE IS A HIGH ELF AND HAS ASTRONOMICAL POWER AND LONGEVITY OF HEALING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BELIEVE SHE CAN SURVIVE ANYTHING !!! IT IS HINTED AT IN THE BOOKS AND FILMS! THE SHOW JUST SHOWS THIS! IT IS NOT BAD AT ALL!!!
I liked the horse in Ep7. Did its own fire stunts _and_ gave a pretty good emotional performance later on. Just saying. Credit where credit is due...
Rings of Power writers respond to criticism: "Our daddies say we're the bestest writers ever."
Nope, it's that anyone who says their show is bad are patently evil, according to the latest media article
Thank you JJ Abrams first star trek, then star wars and now lotr. Thank you for your part in butchering some of our best works of fiction.
@@scarman7866 ohhhh JJ Abrams was involved? That explains a lot
@@ryuk5673 it's all in the family of Bad Robot/Reboot.
what they actually said is worse...."it might catch on in 60 years"
I remember all the people saying âevil cannot create, they can only corruptâwhen all the trailers were coming out. How right they all were. It seems evil is doing all it can to ruin what we love these days, now more than ever.
The SJW liberal way.
Im not in love with the show, but how does it's failings at all affect the other content that is so beloved? Is your love of that content so fragile?
@@Tony-hn8qy "The SJW liberal way" is not the issue with this show and rarely ever relevant.
@@drummerguy438 Because it tarnishes the name. Now when The Lord of the Rings is spoken of, Rings of Power will be what comes to mind in the future
@@drummerguy438 Ask that question to Star Wars fans. Itâs nothing to do with being fragile, itâs just milking a franchise until it becomes a joke. Greed consumes all.
The volcano aftermath was ridiculous. Anyone who knows about Pompeii knows how that should have gone, and Pompeii is so famous it's common knowledge, at least it is in any circle I've ever been in. Pompeii and it's volcanic eruption was in an ep of Doc Who for crying out loud. The writers have absolutely no excuse.
Having Durin III and Durin IV alive at the same time is literally impossible, since Durin III and Durin IV are LITERALLY the exact same person. Not in the 'I died but then I was reborn' kind of way, but in the 'I died and I was put in a tomb, then a couple centuries later I resurrect when my soul returns to my corpse, and my body is restored to its prime' kind of way.
Wow.
If only Gollum had been wearing Galadriels' armour when he fell in the lava of Mount Doom, he could have just swam to the side and climbed out
I loved the way the Harfoot speech scene played out. The father replied to the guy in a normal tone... then EVERYONE suddenly stopped what they were doing and turned expectantly to face him. Even the people in the very far back. All at once. When they had just been elbow deep in work clearing out rubble or whatever and naturally wouldn't be paying any attention to random conversations happening around them. Or they're so far away they couldn't hear it anyway. They just ALL TURNED AROUND unprompted. Rolled my eyes and thought "Oh great, here comes the speech." Sure enough. It was SO HAM-FISTED.
Hahaha. Same thing happening when Adar starts giving his speech to 2 Orcs (that were paying attention), to slowly turn and walk away from them, sit down and mumbling stuff to himself. The 4th Orc in the back said "Master, please speak up, we cant hear you from back here"
Did he name Mordor? I dont thnik he said it out loud. The text insert did it for him.
@@saftpackerl yeah we had to have the FLAMIN TEXT do it (someone said it looked like the overlay from a college sports channel lol), but not like a map or something, just a shot of Mount Doom in the background.
I was able to predict everything in this episode, the writing got worse. let me guess the mom is just fine. speech coming yup. girl Frodo will piss off Eminem yup. and finally I said I don't think n k adar is going to say the name, lmao we got a text lol
Try to imagine a farmer, after a volcano flattens his environment, rising up from the wreckage, looking around and yelling, 'Ok, who the hell did that!'
Sounds like an unnatural response to a natural disaster, right? So what reason could Guylabriel have for thinking anyone was behind the volcano erupting? She doesn't know the sword was behind it, so why leave the town, and people who need her help, to go get revenge for an exploding volcano? This is the worst writing I have ever seen.
Durin and Elrond are the entire show for me. I am literally skipping through half of everything else but them.
Angry Joe has had one hell of a character arc with this show lol.
If only he opened his eyes with She-Skulk like he's done with this dumpsterfire
@@TonioTyme wait till he sees the daredevil episode.
I was dead when he started popping off and redoing the ratings
better than Galadriel
It's sad because he swallow the cool-aid then back tracks and adds a caveat to separate himself from the original detractors.
Every time Joe says "Selebrimbor" and "Gilglahad" I see Alex die a little inside.
Gigologalad.
Man I got confused when I heard Joe calling Selebrimbor like that. I know his name is Celebrimbor because of the shadow of Mordor games
Alex's reaction to Galahad and the whole Arwen talk - priceless. Thx for an awesome venting of anger after each episode. :)
Guys go back and look at Halbrands armour in the last ep...he is literally COVERED in rings. Then, they proclaim him a Lord over the Southlands. Therefore he is....wait for it....THE LORD OF THR RINGS đ€Ł
The only way season 2 can be any better is if Cate Blanchett wakes up as Galadrial in bed, rolls over next to Celeborn, and says "My goodness! I just had the most awful nightmare. I dreamt I was an angry, genocidal maniac. And you were dead, apparently? And something dumb was happening where we were apparently dying and mithrill was going to save us? And for some reason I thought I could swim 5,000 miles. And I eventually died in a volcanic eruption. It was such a terrible nightmare.
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Yes, that would be the only way to fix what they've done.
Celeborn says, "Honey, you have got to STOP snorting powdered Mallorn leaves like last night!!!"
@@mikem9001 HAHAHA
Honey you need to wake up the Fellowship of the ring arrives tonight
You steal this from the comment in Disparu`s channel? Because i saw this exact comment there a minute ago.
The idea of elves rubbing mithril all over themselves to bandage their light is hilarious.
Given the writing in this travesty, I assumed that it would be mithril enemas that save the elves. đ
â@@markmathisen3908 My thought as well!
While it's dumb and hillarious this single awfull plotpoint is done with 2 actors who carry the show with decent acting. Everyone and everything else is just dreadfull.
Wtf... I could poop a better script.
@@markmathisen3908 2 elves, one goblet of mithril?
I worked at a amazon warehouse back when Amazon acquired the rights to LotR, our shift lead gathered us and after our morning stretches and such he mentioned âoh hey guys by the way Amazon acquired the LotR license to make a TV showâ. I was thinking about all the cool lore they could explored at the time⊠like Morkath or other crazy stuff
No name show runners; no name actors; terrible writing...whats could go wrong??? - At least we still have the glorious LOTR movies whereas Cringe of Power will never be remembered....
Remember when Aragorn says to the Hobbits "My friends, you bow to no one" and then everyone kneels before them. I have no doubt this show will NEVER get close to that level of emotional impact.
helloo i did a critical review too, about the rings of power :)
Because that was made with heart and respect to it's source. ROP is inarguably not.
Buddy, Jackson managed to make A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIGHTING BONFIRES into one of the single most epic moments of cinema ever.
RoP can't even make an EXPLODING VOLCANO exciting.
@@GuukanKitsune That's a fair point. And that's what makes me think that this show was allowed to be bad on purpose. Maybe the showrunners were set up to fail. They are filming in similar or the same locations from the film trilogy and the show is awful. They have tons more money, 20 years of studying what parts of Jackson's work resonated with the fans, pre-chosen natural settings with proven track records of success with fans, and hundreds of pages of writing to take inspiration from for dialogue. There's just no way that they watched any one of the films and compared it and decided, "Our show should fit in nicely with the fans".
@@matthewmosier8439 There is an old saying: "Never put down to malice what can be attributed to stupidity."
They, in fact, DIDN'T study why the Jackson films were successful, they just studied what it was in them. Then they just tried to mindlessly ape them with The Hobbit because they thought that if they put in all the same stuff they would succeed too. And they didn't.
Because the Jackson Films succeeded because the fans were getting the closest to what they wanted ever, and with the Hobbit, they weren't... BECAUSE they were trying to make another LOTR instead of just making The Hobbit.
They still don't understand why these things are beloved. Why they succeeded.
They are, in fact, clueless idiots.
And they handed off this show to clueless idiots with EGOS who thought they knew how to make a better story than the original material when in reality they can't even write a half-decent narrative that even makes sense.
The end result is the monumentally expensive TURD that is Rings of Power... which resulted from diverging from the stories everyone loved to try and make LOTR be Game of Thrones.
Just like they tried to make Eragon into LOTR. They are so blinded by stupid focus groups they can't work out the simple truth that if you just do the damn story that everyone loves with minimal changes, it succeeds.
"Queen of numenor is blind... but to make it seem to her ppl that she is NOT blind, we'll put a blindfold on her."
That sentence is more than enough to really look at the writing and ask, what were the writers smoking when they thought of that.
I think you and they failed to understand the idea was not to hide she's blind forever, but to not let it show on the walk back as this is a massive moral loss. Now that they're back to camp and relative safety keeping the illusion doesn't make sense.
@@TheMajorStranger Still terrible writing. Im a huge fan of Tolkiens work and I know in my heart he'd be absolutely pissed off. This show only happened because of greed and the estate not being controlled by Christopher after his passing. Its a disaster and would have never happened if the father or son were alive.
@@vincetaliaferro2777 It's an adaptation, it take creative licensing to create something new. Tolkien Fan hated PJ trilogy too so fuck em. They'll never be happy so fuck em.
And yet they don't address this at all.
The scene with the blindfold is also in private away from the camp.
@@TheMajorStranger moral loss for what? They weren't going to war. They hadn't even lost one battle and they're returning home. They needed to keep their morals FOR WHAT?
wow, Joe finally woke up to reality at ep7.
took long enough :D
I honestly donât even give these shows a chance anymore. All they do is screw it up. Give one example of an old franchise they havenât run into the ground. Iâll waitâŠ
Never underestimate how badly corporations can destroy art. Their reality is entirely synthetic, so Amazon's take on Tolkien is the equivalent of an AI analyzing data points and statistics, not the underlying soul and creativity that makes art, art.
Its the same princip as the flood of AI art we see.
Sadly it works.
Because people think you just have to write or draw "correctly".
They not unterstand you need more to create art then just skill. I would even say skill is the less important thing you need to create art.
Thats why even the most perfectly made AI pictures still feel cheap and lifeless on my opinion. As Ai just copys but isn't able to truly unterstand art or also writing
@Silent Man Just saying BS? Please elaborate. The mountains of proof plus Amazon's own proud admission of being a purely data driven machine is insurmountable, but I'm sure you have some good points, right? đ
Additionally, a billion+ production doesn't flop this hard because of some bad writers. It takes a whole cascade of blunders and bad data to fail this hard and be completely caught off guard.
@Silent Man Yes, I agree the writing is horrendous. That is a major part of it, but there is a lot more going on than that to make it this bad. The directors, casting, camera work, editing, etc. The reason so many things suck are conscious choices made by Amazon, and backed by their echo chamber consensus of woke BS, subversive narrative structure, and filling quotas. Same as Disney / Marvel, another corporation that sucks the souls out of their own ips and loyal fanbase with live action remakes (mostly terrible).
The original point is that these companies are incapable of creating real art anymore, primarily because it is all mechanical to them and about the bottom line.
helloo i did a critical review too, about the rings of power :)
My favorite is when complaints about believability are met with "it's fantasy bro, you'll accept Balrogs and Elves but not this?" If we're taking that path then just give Galadriel a Barrett and call it a day, it'd be just as acceptable. Tolkien himself did an essay on the suspension of disbelief and its importance.
Exactly. It's not a complaint about fantasy. It's a complaint about terrible storrytelling. If I were to tell you the most outlandish story about a being of incomprehensible power singing a flat world into existence that was initially lit up by two giant lanterns and then a spider eats some trees and eventually rings make people turn into ghosts, you'd be bored and annoyed and also probably ask me what I am doing in your room.
If it instead was the Silmarillion and the wonderful tale of Beren and Luthien or the Lord of the Rings, you'd probably be much, much interested in the tale. I despise this idea of "don't think, just consume the fantasy story". No, I respect my time too much for that.
"Ah okay, so it's just fantasy. I agree. Then why don't we add nukes, guns, and starships to top it off?"
Dumb Shill: "WHAAAAAT, that doesn't make any sense!"
"Bro, it's just fantasy. You accept Amazon's writing but not my suggestion? The audacity"
Dumb Shill: "I- no- umm.......Oh shut the hell up and just accept what we were given!"
Which is funny because with respect to itâs own universe, pretty much everything in the legendarium is meticulously explained and completely makes sense. Itâs very difficult to find a blatant inconsistency in the books.
I donât know how people can say that ârealismâ was never important to middle-earth because itâs âjust fantasyâ when Tolkien took the time to painstakingly map out the geography and the journeyâs the characters take. Iâve literally done the math and double-checked to see if the travel times in the story make sense, and they do. This is pretty common in fantasy now, but back when Tolkien wrote it wasnât.
That empty warehouse HDRI map reflecting on the ring is pretty good at symbolising RoP show's theme: "There's nothing in it". Good job!
I couldn't wait for someone else to bring up the fact that galadriel doesn't blink, and I laughed when I saw the cheesy location title switch from southland to murder, really was just hoping adar would say "mordor"
Slim Shady is now my favorite character of the show, when she lit the Harfootsâ carts on fire I was so happy đ
I was hoping they would be all become Char-Foots, but its seems they just got burned the carts and apples,
You mean Slim Lady
Berek the horse is the best character in the show
@@Punished_Trump Or Feminem
@@Punished_Trump LMAO
I noticed that too about the Dwarve's downfall. It's been changed from greed to compassion. Imagine that, it's compassion that will bring downfall to Khazad-dum. What a nice lesson to teach people, "don't be compassionate guys or you'll awake an ancient evil and end up destroying everything ! "
It's not supposed to be greed either though, that's a change that the movies made. The dwarves don't just dig at random, they have a bond with the mountain (since they themselves were literally carved out of it by Aule). It's the influence of the rings given to them that obscure it and cloud their judgement, causing them to dig where they shouldn't and release the balrog.
â@@danielb7143 what? you based this on what book and what page exactly? Gandalf himself says that dwarves " delved too greedily and too deep" when walking through Khazad-dum in Fellowship of the Ring, A journey in the Dark chapter... "The Dwarves tell no tale; but even as mithril was the foundation of their wealth, so also it was their destruction: they delved too greedily and too deep, and disturbed that from which
they fled, Durinâs Bane. " It is a recurring theme in Tolkien (completely aside from the rings of power), from hobbit to LOTR to silmarillion to Morhoth's ring. Jackson did not make up the themes of the LOTR that he adapted in his films. He was loyal to them in almost every possible way, especially in the theatrical edition.
No good deed goes unpunished? đ
@@mevlanagemici3727 The Silmarillion page 345/346 - Of The Rings of Power:
"The Dwarves indeed proved tough and hard to tame; they ill endure the domination of others, and the thoughts of their hearts are hard to fathom, nor can they be turned to shadows. They used their rings only for the getting of wealth; but wrath and an overmastering greed of gold were kindled in their hearts, of which evil enough after came to the profit of Sauron."
That's pretty explicit I'd say.
I wonder, it feels like they want to "explain" why dwarves hate elves in the future so much (like "we tried to help you but doing it just bit us in ass"). Like they are trying to create an "aha!" moment...
Galadriel tanks a POMPEY-LEVEL PYROCLASTIC FLOW to the FACE and the worst that happens is she gets covered in Cheetos Brand Cheese-like Flavor Dust, but when I saw a burning extra crawl across the screen, WHILE WEARING SNEAKERS, that was what RUINED MY EMERSION.
The part where Galadriel screams "Black Lives Matter" and charges at Sauron was awe-inspiring
i like the fact that these angry joe reviews are 10x more entertaining than the actual LOTR rings of power that cost $1B to make đ
So true, i was forced to constantly skip forward 10s when watching episode 7, im sure i skipped atleast 30 times. skipped 0 times while watching this video... so yea.
True
As I watched the scenes happen the only thing I was excited about was to hear Joe rip it apart. The hypocrisy of the characters just saying the exact opposite of what they were doing the previous episode was just baffling.
@@navins11 only 30? damn you really liked it then ^^
It's literally all I watch, I stopped watched after the first episode lol
As a lore-fiend, I have a lot of respect for Joe learning the real lore, identifying the false lore and coming around to seeing the show for what it is, "Happy-Meal Tolkien".
good show, gatekeepers stay mad
No one who dislikes the show has ever told you that youâre not allowed to like it. Take a deep breath. If the show does one thing well, itâll be turning non-Tolkien readers into Tolkien readers. Isnât that what we all want, to share his ideas and live them out in our own lives?
â@@huey6248 thankyou, "real person" Huey for your "valuable" input.
dont insult happy meals like that
@@huey6248 This isn't how gatekeeping works. A gatekeeper has the literal power and authority to *control* what and how a populous is exposed to.
If the Tolkien fanbase were gatekeepers, they would be controlling what this audience could watch, which is impossible because they aren't a service that can provide programs and select and choose what can be viewed and on what platforms.
What's more Mary Sue than Rey being a perfect jedi with no training at all?
'Not my' Galadrial facing down a goddamn Pyroclastic Flow without blinking!
How as a writer could you write a scene where a pyroclastic cloud hits destroying houses and setting fire to everything but the people are ok? How do you not see the stupidity in this? I swear they intentionally made this bad.
Even with volcanic ashe in her face and in the air Galadriel still has her eyes fully opened and the same stoic face, wonderful acting.
That was a big problem. It was a pyroclastic cloud that can travel at 600mph and be over 3500 degrees. Have the writers never even heard of Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius?
@@TangoNevada I donât think theyâve ever seen a grill cook meat
@@tommysoliz3064 Clearly, since they give the meat, and give it raw
@@TangoNevada What do you excect from Flash Gordon writers lol
Her eyes have obviously been clanging and banging at the gym. Don't forget, she's seen things, dammit.
This is what happens when you have first time showrunners taking on a franchise of this size and caliber
It was given to them on purpose. Subversion 101.
@@ShallowDepression Yup, ... big companies are wasting money this way. The audience is walking away!
That's not true. The writters are just fuckin suck and they're stupid with no vision whatsoever. I knew couple of "fresh" writters that had a chance and they successed like Daredevil or The Punisher
...and with zero care for the sourcematerial...
The Companies have more control over newbie showrunners, who are just happy to get the opportunity. Imagine, they hire a guy with a vision and certain credibility. They wouldn't have the control.
In the books numenor never lost they were so strong that they try to get immortality and tried to invade the undaying lands of valinor
With like million ships ..even the elves and the valar were scared from them ⊠and they were punished by ilovetar the creator
I love how the harfoots have become so resented and despised, I'm sure the clueless show runners thought we would all think they were cute with their little Irish accents and feet
âI seeâ
âDo you?â
Excellent writing. 10/10 đ„
Less is more
That one cracked me up! :D You could practically hear the tapping on the shoulders from the writers room. Excellent!
You haveât seen what I have seen!
@@Cenot4ph Less good, more bad
I loved what Joe said here, that's how the first episode should have started:
Narrator:
*At the beginning of creation.. of this piece of shit*
My problem with RoP is that thereâs no through line.
In LotR, the through line was destroying the ring. It was simple enough to follow no matter what was going on and was the motivation for everyoneâs actions.
Even The Hobbit was about the journey of getting back the treasure.
But the RoP isâŠfighting evil like every other generic fantasy? It just feels muddled and nothing holding it together.
@@blitzme99 Where are the Rings of Power?
@@dancemeanumber6569 I think they are literally starting to make them next episode. The trailer suggests it.
@@blitzme99Please fucking tell me where the rings of power were, or was I blind and deaf?
@@blitzme99 Which is gloriously fucking ridiculous because THE GUY WHO CAUSES THEM TO BE MADE isn't even there yet.
@@blitzme99 No it's not. None of the current events revolve around the Rings in any meaningful way, and even if that were the case, unless making them was the entire goal of the main characters, it's not a Through line.
2 missing ingredients: Cleverness, Charm.
The main issue of the show is the lack of clever story telling here. There is no continuity, no depth or weight to actions or consequences, and the show is completely devoid of CHARM.
Joe imitating the scenes were 1000x better than the actual show lol had me dying out here đ€Ł
Now we know why the Tolkien expert quit. Totally appreciate your rewatched episode rating breakdown đ
He left (EDIT: fired) because he broke his NDA.
Left?
I thought amazon fired him because he talked against what amazon was doing to the lore.
@@fenrir_Lokison9 no he was fired for breaking his NDA. This is what happens when people repeatedly spew fake news. Itâs possible he didnât like the direction, but there is no proof of that.
The forest of Professor Tolkien is being burned before our eyes in the fires of corporations as our 6th installment defines: The power of the Rings is fading with each passing episode, as we all hear Treebeard's cry fused into the corporate machine theyocracy and their subordinates, "a wizard should know better." If you have lost heart or grown frustrated, join us for EXSURGE TOLKIEN as we continue to defend the counter perspective to this ROP heresy series. It is overwhelming that the showrunner's rather than desiring to respect Tolkien's Tales, yearned to be the 'lord and god' of their own "private sub-creation." Now is the hour for all phans to realize that this show does not glitter and is not gold, and return to the Valar, to the truth. "Auta i lóme!" and "Aurë entuluva."
â@@paulmartin6209 the corporate machine theyocracy was pretty liberal with that definition of their NDA.
I love how the Southlanders apparently consist of just one village and one destroyed village, and then they just accept some random dude with a little pouch as their king, and then half of them die immediately and the volcano killed everyone except the ones the audience wanted dead: Galadriel and the Harfoots and Man, at this point Sauron doesnt need to forge the rings, everyone is evil already!
I watch Ring of Power and wonder which scenes Joe's gonna hate most, that's like the most entertaining way to look at it
They didnt even really need Silmarilion rights, they just needed to not condense the timeline. First season should have been forging of the rings and sack of Eregion with Numnorians eventually arriving to save the day.
And then in second season they would do fall of Numenor.
You don't even need Silmarilion to tell that.
Imagine if this show was your only experience with Tolkien's work.
That's the truth for every idiot shilling for this garbage.
It will be for many people. It's always a case with stuff like this.
It's a well-known fact that Tolkien's son hated Peter Jackson's LOTR films but if he knew about this he would have been absolutely outraged.
to be fair, tolkien's son was a renown hardass.
Probably sued for defamation
Why did he dislike the Peter Jackson films?
@@lightblue8818 he was similar to his father. He didnât believe it should be a movie since they wanted the reader to interpret the dialogue to create the world in their mind. No 2 people would have the same exact middle earth.
@@lightblue8818 Iâll simplify that he thought it films are action films for young people for 15-25 yr olds and Tolkien is too mainstream
Can't wait for the Death Star to turn up, and the space elf Spock to beam down and become Sauron. Pretty sure that's in Tolkiens books somewhere near the back
It was a napkin he drunkenly scribbled on, it was easier to get the rights to that
Other Joe's interjections are so on point, comedic genius. xD 'They don't have that kind of money, Alex.' LMFAO!
This is what happens when you hire writers who probably only ever written anything dramatic, was on their Twitter. đ
Writers all picked for physical immutable characteristics, not unfortunately, for their ability to write.
WHO hires inexperienced directors and writers for such a BIG endeavor???
@@thomaslance5428 Amazon & Disney for sure. Probably some more studios as well.
Actually some of the writers for this show used to work on Breaking Bad
And thatâs mostly what there pronouns are and adding the Ukraine flag
Me watching everyone getting ate up by pyroclastic flow đ
Galadriel waking up without a single burn mark or scratch đ€š
Her plot armor is made of mithril
She walked on the particles like Legolas did in the Hobbit movie
She was on her period so therefore immune.
@@Gunn27 her flow was superior
Its oil of olay
The absolutely mind boggling sad thing is...
I enjoyed watching your review of this episode,
more than watching the episode itself đđđ
This is the hubris of thinking throwing a bunch of money at something will make it good. At least Disney secures the best talent and credits them as things like "assistant director" while they put some diverse face front and center as well as all the most competent production staff. What I think is happening to the money is highly predictable. Extras and friends of friends are getting nice paydays to work this gig.
You could probably knock 2/3 zeros off of this project and get something way better.
I also busted out loud laughing when she was asking for the captain and turning her head around then they pan over to him and heâs crying đđđ this show shouldâve been a comedy!
Lmfao i legit thought he walked away abandoning her since she's blind
haha my exact reaction, 21 century sensitive men Elendil
Yup just another useless man and 3 strong Women... Jeez đ€Š
@@gastheweebs How is crying over a presumedly dead son along with the potential deaths of an entire war considered "sensitive"?
@@Echidna23Gaming Exactly. He has lost his son and his queen is blinded. He wishes they never went to Middle Earth and he certainly doesn't want to come back. He's crying for his son and the future of his people. If anything, he hates what Galadriel has done and what his queen is doing. Men are allowed to cry, especially when women are ruining their lives!
I really like the Elendil actor and character - he's up there with Durin and Disa. Everyone else is rubbish.
Are we finally going to talk about how the writers change the map to fit the narrative?
They moved the river around didnât they? I heard another CZcamsr mention that.
@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming yes thats true, there is no river there
the river is an SCP
Part way through the second episode I just started looking at this show as some alternate reality with completely different lore. It made the headache go away, it's still a dumpster fire even if you don't know anything about tolkien especially the writing.
@@Graffels honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the whole show in and of itself is a memetic hazard SCP that breached containment
I normally do not comment on anything but upon rewatching this video (because I was forced to watch the absolute trainwreck of a show that Rings of Power is) I have to say that you guys are such a joy to watch. Your group dynamic is priceless, very therapeutic and makes the ordeal almost worth it :D Thank you!
It is a sad indictment of a TV series that a video game was truer to the lore, had better plotting, more consistency and deeper characterizations.
Galadriel might have the strongest plot armor known to Middle Earth. Homie face checked a pyroclasm and her makeup didn't even come off.
Mithril
@@zachalou3073 new mithril powder in the makeup perhaps?
It isn't even plot armor, it's retardation lol.
@Silent Man Strongest doesn't mean invulnerable.
@Silent Man elves are still made of flesh
Every week, I tune in just to see the look on poor Alex's face when he realises that what he watched was a real series done by real people and financed by a real company that has invested massive amounts of money into it. His face just says it all. "Why? Why me? How? How did this catastrophe happen?"
Seeing Joe's descent into madness is amazing too and lastly seeing poor OJ try to make sense of the battlefield of psychological destruction around him is the icing on the cake.
And yes, I'm going to try to watch all one and a half hours of this review just because I'd rather watch people be angry about this show than the actual show itself since I'm genuinely angry that Tolkien's Estate sold the rights to Amazon as soon as Christopher Tolkien passed in what I consider to be essentially an act of desecration.
âLook how they massacred my boyâ
Straight up, the Tolkien estate are sellouts.
Are you on adderall?
Simon Tolkien was also supposedly in contact with and helping them with this show... I think all he was looking at is the $$$
Amazon couldnât get the Silmarillion right from the Tolkien estate due to their how they thought Peter Jacksonâs Lord of the Rings was âan action movie for young people age 15-25 yr old.â
To be fair the horse Berek has more character development than most of the other characters on this show.
They certainly made a feat when they made Galadriel a Mary Sue, a Karen, a hypocritopotamus, and a Becky all combined.
I laughed a lot at the part where the Balrog awakens, as they exploded and used sledgehammers and pickaxes to create the passage and all the noise that was made to clear the way didn't bother him, but a falling elven leaf did. it reminded me of an episode of tom and jerry where tom's owner says that if a pin falls and it makes a noise to wake her up he was screwed jerry made a whole zoo pass inside the room and she kept sleeping but when he dropped a pin tom got screwed hehehehehe
I DO NOT like the show, I roll my eyes the whole time. But the physical falling of the leaf didnât wake it up. I believe it was the elf/magic leaf (canât remember the name of the tree) coming into its presence woke it up
@@RM-rh3mz yup, because it was the same leaf of the same type of tree they showed i nthe previous episodes.
No, the leaf did not awakened him. It was just a metaphoric scene.
My assumption was that the massive crevice was excavated by the dwarves. Meaning that if the balrog is just at the bottom of it, clearly the dwarves wouldve seen it.
@@hapablap2088 no, the crevice was a crevice. They only knocked a tiny head sized whole into it. There are naturally fissures and caverns in the rock. Usually made by water and heat.
The difference in quality between this and House of the Dragon is astonishing
white-wig soap opera looks so ridiculous i won't even bother
@@LLPTV It is actually written by competent scriptwriters. Sure is is a bit fast-paced but it seems really good. You don't know what you are missing.
@@LLPTV cope
Yeah, the excitement for each episode is incredible. The fact that itâs trending on twitter for a whole day everytime the new episode aired speaks volumn
@@LLPTV are you gonna cry?
51:28 "but she still has to have a baby that Elrond can have sex with." Takes a couple seconds for that to register to Joe đđ 51:37
The leaf didn't wake up the Balrog. The Balrog is imprisoned beneath the mithril and will be released as the mithril is mined. The leaf signifies that his release is imminent. This show is so stupid, I can see how everyone missed this.
This is the type of show you watch while you search Pinterest for hand pie recipes and wait for your nail polish to dry.
Oddly specific
22:04 there is CZcams channel called Tolkien Untangled. Dave, the owner of the channel does an impeccable job creating the storyline for what Rings of power could have looked liked with the rights the show runners currently have. The difference is truly astounding and I highly recommend these videos to everyone interested in how the lore could be adapted well on the screen.
watch the gandalf reviews rings of power episodes, gandalf is deepfaked, hilarious!!
@@mainsource8030 I love the guy
Man I need this to treat the PTSD the Rings of Power has left me with!
Men of the West also did a great outline of a 2nd age adaptation, pretty great stuff.
Amazing how youtubers can think of a better adaptation than a billionaire corporation but thats what happens when one loves the lore and the other only loves the money.
I feel your pain! Elendil was nearly 8 feet tall. Galadriel was 6 feet tall, Morfydd Clark is 5ft 3in.
Halbrand's wound was just under his stomach, he wouldn't have survived six days at fast travel and no stops. And Eregion is about 180 miles from Mordor.
Galadriel walks away from the horse that's on fire, never mind the rest of them.
They already did this "someone almost gets stabbed but saved in the last moment by a friend" moment two times in the battle while galadriel was hanging off her horse slaying orcs for 45 minutes, i guarantee you the next battle scene they will do a "someone almost gets stabbed but saved in the last moment by a friend" again