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Komentáře • 199

  • @crazypomp927
    @crazypomp927 Před 2 lety +65

    I found this week very difficult.
    I think the point of f5 in the final position is to prevent Bh3 after Qh2+ in certain lines. It's like a preemptive pawn sac to win a tempo later.
    Edit: I've confirmed this is not correct because if you follow the engine line after playing d3 immediately you get f5 Bxf5 anyway so I'm not sure at all why f5 has to be played first followed by Rf4.
    2nd Edit: OK I think get it now. F5 first and sacking the rook is better because it allows white to force a queen trade. After f5 Qh4 Rf4 Qxf4, now d3 comes with tempo on the queen since it's attacked by the bishop on c1, and black can't just move the queen back to h4 because it gives white winning tactics (too many lines for me to cover so just go check that out yourselves), and some of those tactical lines include the move dxe4 which then protects the pawn on f5 and creates a monster pawn center for white. So what black then has to do after d3 is play e3 which leads to either Qa5+ b6 Qd5+ Bd7 (or Nd7) Qf3 Qxf3 Bxf3 or Qa5+ Ke8 Qe5+ Qxe5 dxe5. Funnily enough in that second line black actually loses all advantage.
    Needless to say, f5 is not a human move.

    • @theinacircleoftheancientpu492
      @theinacircleoftheancientpu492 Před 2 lety

      I have one idea to suggest, Nc6.
      Haven't seen any computer lines so I know nothing but its a nice prophylactic idea imo.

    • @LordSoviet
      @LordSoviet Před 2 lety +1

      The move I said was F5, but it wasn't to sack the rook lmao I probably wouldve got mated or at least not executed the follow up to the rook sack very well.

    • @Martin4Zigo
      @Martin4Zigo Před 2 lety

      Also just generaly speaking by f5 and rook sac you activate bishop and other rook. Move d3 looks fine, but it seems that black bishop could join the the party (Bh3) and help to get checkmate, somethig like d3 -> Qh4 -> Qa5+ -> Ke8 -> Rd1 -> Qh2+ -> Kf1 -> Bh3 and that is scary

    • @crazypomp927
      @crazypomp927 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Martin4Zigo In the line you mention, black has to play Ne7 before Qh2+ and Bh3 otherwise white gets more checks with the queen and black loses most advantage. I spent a bunch of time with an engine trying to figure it out after I initially thought the same as you.

    • @nickeastmusic9930
      @nickeastmusic9930 Před 2 lety +3

      yes, white forces the queen trade in the Rf4 line, but also if you look at the d3 line without the rook sac, you can see that it doesnt take long until white will lose either a knight or a bishop by force and the queens will stay on the board, and some moves later you will also lose 1 more pawn or maybe even a exchange, so because stockfish can see so many moves into the future and knows that if he doesnt sac the rook now he will just (against perfect play) have lost even more material than a rook 30 moves later, it is understandable why stockfish wants to sac the rook.

  • @aesaehttr
    @aesaehttr Před 2 lety +48

    Nelson this is the best chess series I've ever seen! (Sorry to Levi, Antonio, Alexandra, Hikaru, Aman, Nemsko, etc... Lol)

    • @crazypomp927
      @crazypomp927 Před 2 lety +14

      This and Levy's "Guess the ELO" are both super great, though Agadmator is still my favorite channel and personality.

    • @Zelda1990s
      @Zelda1990s Před 2 lety

      @@crazypomp927 eh, agadmator is okay. I just like that he covers the games, his analysis is okay.

    • @majzerofive
      @majzerofive Před 2 lety +2

      Check Naroditsky's channel then

    • @TofuofLight
      @TofuofLight Před rokem +1

      Idk, Jerry from chess network cured my insomnia

  • @pinpunch
    @pinpunch Před 2 lety +48

    Crazy how on position 2, the higher rated players blundered more than lower rated players with Qd1. I remember putting in Qd1 and then checking the engine and was very surprised that it lost on the spot.

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety +2

      It is interesting because I immediately saw Rg2, then wondered at the other choices.

    • @faznaz7455
      @faznaz7455 Před 2 lety +1

      I also considered Qd1 but i did see this Rc8 and struggled to find a good response so I rejected this Qd1 move. Rg2 is a good alternative though.

    • @jacobpatino1505
      @jacobpatino1505 Před 2 lety

      I’d imagine that other higher rated players saw Rg2 as I did but looked for other solutions. Lower rated players are more likely to chose the first line they see and play it.

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      I saw it, the pawn move was good but I preferred moving the queen forward instead thus preventing the check, he did not mention the pawn can still move forward with an interposed rook and thus loose the rook but with a queen at G2 that can not be done since the rook can take it at H3 since it is protected by the Queen at G2 and you can still force a trade as well thus removing the pawn advantage and the queen threat. You can also force a rook trade. All this frees up the knight to move and it is a knight and 3 pawns vs 4 pawns. You are still 1 move ahead if black tried to double rooks or attack the pawn. Only your queen can shut the attack down unlike the rook.

    • @tukula7758
      @tukula7758 Před 2 lety +1

      because the puzzle was just bad it was -0.3 there was nothing to find as videos progress the weirder this "puzzles" get Rg2 was an easy move but it's very clearly just not winning which is why higher rated people didn't play it

  • @josephfurches7411
    @josephfurches7411 Před 2 lety +4

    The extra pause was great! Thanks so much for doing this series, it is incredibly instructive!

  • @PanicbyExample
    @PanicbyExample Před 2 lety +8

    A thought on the scoring system is that maybe to beat stockfish you could include moves that are within a point of the top move... I mean stockfish giving a half point advantage seems attributable to computational arbitrariness that leads to weird "non-human" chess positions, like the computer version of "just developing"

  • @michaellashov3285
    @michaellashov3285 Před 2 lety +13

    As a 900 rated player im happy with myself considering how hard the positions were I got the 1st one; the second best on the second one and did a small miscalculation with Bxe4 followed by Kg1

  • @OrlOnEarth
    @OrlOnEarth Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks a lot Nelson. Really appreciate the effort you put in these quizzes. Cheers

  • @tob564
    @tob564 Před 2 lety +11

    This was my favorite episode so far! The positions were more strategical and less tactical in nature which made thinking about the positions a lot more interesting compared to pure tactics. With tactics you pretty much always know the best move for absolute certain once you find the solution.
    I did find the best move for the first two puzzles. I think the second one was by far the hardest to find but it was also the best puzzle of three. I must admit that I don't quite understand f5 in the final puzzle.
    Please keep on going with the series, this is amazing!

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety +1

      Ironically, it was the FIRST move I looked at but not deeply enough. People always underestimate a pushed pawn move.

    • @tob564
      @tob564 Před 2 lety

      @@toriless Sure but giving up a rook when there's an obvious way to not have to do it looks super strange. I suppose it must somehow be better with perfect though, otherwise engine wouldn't prefer it.

    • @tomassklenar8277
      @tomassklenar8277 Před 2 lety

      I looked at it too, but d3 Just seemed better. The point May be that after d3 Nc6 (stopping Qa5+) you still have to play f5 to go Rf4 next and maybe stockfish sees some greater power in This weird slow attack? I mean, considering the a8 knight dead, we're only up the exchange, so once Black wins a piece only the endgame might be good for him and stockfish loves This way of playing. If not This, no idea XD

  • @michaw7408
    @michaw7408 Před 2 lety +1

    I really like how you gave tips that are applicable to other games as well, instead of just those puzzles

  • @aClownBaby-
    @aClownBaby- Před 2 lety +11

    Nice positions, it’s not “puzzle like” if that makes sense, I like this more than the obvious puzzle rush positions

  • @alexanderxyz6146
    @alexanderxyz6146 Před 2 lety +2

    I like the "extended" pause. I don't know how you did it before, but I think it's very appropriate. For one, everyone needs to look at the position anyways, so no one is in a hurry. More importantly - and it varies from person to person - you might not immediatelly click pause. And some might watch the video with hands off and not be ready any second, but certainly the next few seconds. No one wants a sudden spoiler. Another reason is sometimes you tend to listen a little into the pause, maybe there is another tip coming. (you do it) (while looking at the pos). All in all it's a very good suggestion and I love your way of doing it now. *(I have also watched quite some of your newer puzzle videos and enjoy your way of doing it!)* It has something magical when you sit there idle for a few seconds just looking into the camera, hard to put in words, a fitting vibe of "take your time to study the position". So a good design of how to make the video IMHO, and I watched many yt videos tutorials, etc.

  • @joepiazza3756
    @joepiazza3756 Před 2 lety +5

    f5 is an illusion. I thought that at first but after submitting I ran the analyzer and the odds drop right after you progress some moves with the best moves. It's just analyzing it as a better move than it really is. e3 just wins back all advantage for black and thus proves d3 s the best move even in Stockfish's eyes.

  • @stevesidare2493
    @stevesidare2493 Před 2 lety +1

    I seem to too often think in terms of tactics and material gain. When playing actual games I do think of freeing up pieces, whereas in puzzles I look for "clever tactics." And sometimes obvious moves totally escape me. (Though I can't say these moves were obvious) Very intriguing!

  • @stungun565
    @stungun565 Před 2 lety +1

    Perfect format and as always nicely implementing the feedback!!

  • @Erik_001
    @Erik_001 Před 2 lety +2

    Omg thank you for the longer pause haha. It was stressful before.

  • @sohio4576
    @sohio4576 Před 2 lety

    Now I feel pretty good about finding f5 rf4 d3 in the last one! Didn't calculate quite as far as shown in the vid but pretty pleased since at first that line wasn't even mentioned.

  • @gregfamilton865
    @gregfamilton865 Před 2 lety +1

    Best quiz so far, great choice of puzzles....

  • @Dragonten312
    @Dragonten312 Před 2 lety +1

    really instructive series!

  • @vijadon
    @vijadon Před 2 lety +1

    Oooo these are hard. I like these. Very instructive.

  • @19Johnny88
    @19Johnny88 Před 2 lety

    I considered d3 but also thought about Nc6 guarding a5 and pressure d4 pawn. But I guess I still have just enough time to run the Q and R and have a space for a King. Those positions are more enjoyable. They force me to think about couple of moves in advance and I find it stimulating.

  • @andreib4226
    @andreib4226 Před 2 lety +1

    Last position was insane. Stockfish just says "take my rook, it's getting in my way" and it stops any mate on h2. But from a practical point of view, it's really hard to get away with it. White's king still has no moves, the knight is stuck on a8, the rook still need some moves to get in the game and beside that, we gave away the material advantage. I'd just keep the rook and try to defend a worse position knowing that if I survive for a few more moves and hopefully trade queens, it's an easy win up a piece, instead of trying to find the best move until the end of the game with the f5 idea.

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety

      f5 is nothing of carbon brain. Moves like this kill chess. There's a limit beyond which the mortal mind cannot crunch the variables, therefore as Emanuel Lasker says, the next 'best move' is what the mind goes with.

  • @arya6085
    @arya6085 Před 2 lety +1

    Got the first and second perfectly. On the last one I forgot the bishop defends h1 and thought you were trolling us with forced mate

  • @haelww1
    @haelww1 Před rokem +2

    I have an explanation on the random rook move :
    "Chess friends. Today My opponent had mate in two against me. I could have escaped without a sweat, but I choose to sacrifice a Rook. Because I am Stockfish. I can do whatever I want."

  • @benjaminmajors2183
    @benjaminmajors2183 Před 2 lety +1

    For Position 3, I initially thought of d3 but I was worried about Nf6, which totally stops our queen check ideas. I was wondering about the continuation after Nf6

  • @quelqunx7470
    @quelqunx7470 Před 2 lety

    3rd position I guessed f5! I had no clue about d3 Qa5, but I did see that f5 blocks the bishop and there's d3 with tempo. I was pretty shocked that my move was stockfish's recommendation, especially after hearing the logic behind d3 Qa5.

  • @unknown6000
    @unknown6000 Před 2 lety +1

    I missed this week but very cool puzzles indeed. Intuitively I went with Qxa7 on the first one, Ra1 on the second one and d3 on the third one.
    The third one was very interesting because of a weird engine line no sane human would ever play. It's fun to see how people find different lines and why engine thinks something is better even if it looks nonsensical to humans.

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      it was my instinctual move, I should have followed it out since it had no immediate gain.

  • @ggaming8999
    @ggaming8999 Před 2 lety

    I think the pawn push is because it blocks the queen from defending your attack theres likely a forced mate with such an open king even without the rook

  • @GG-sc2pj
    @GG-sc2pj Před 2 lety

    Quite moves require strong confidence, feels like giving a bonus move to the opponent

  • @qazzaqstan
    @qazzaqstan Před 2 lety +4

    Ouch those were hard. I only got the first one. Interesting positions though.

  • @jedrzejkraszpulski442
    @jedrzejkraszpulski442 Před 2 lety +1

    These new positions are TOUGH, but I'm a fan. 1/3 this week (somehow managing to get position #2 right of all of them)

  • @Linvael
    @Linvael Před 2 lety

    I don't fully get first position Rb8 as being the best due to pin. Cause sure, you pin knight and rook - but that pin only works as long as you keep queen and rook on the back rank, soft-pinning them there, making black actually in play with better pieces (queen and bishop vs rook and bishop)

  • @rasulrahimov744
    @rasulrahimov744 Před rokem

    I found first 2 moves, but in the 3rd position's d3 gives us perpetual check, but the follow-up with rook move is bad because black can slide bishop to h3

  • @andrewmichael9976
    @andrewmichael9976 Před 2 lety

    There is another detail about the position occurring at 8:48 of this video. After Ra1 Qb4 Na5 Ra8, I noticed that White can save the knight with Nb3 as the move attacks the rook on a8 and defends a1. Initially, this looks as if White will escape unscathed. However, Black has a tactical detail that works in its favor. Black can reply with ... Rxa1 Nxa1 Rb2! and now the threat of ...Rb1 is too much to handle.

  • @theinacircleoftheancientpu492

    On position 3. (@Nelson)
    I planned to play d3, but noticed black has the quiet prophylactic move Nc6.
    One thing I saw when white sacs the rook in the stockfish line is that d3 comes with tempo on the queen and Nc6 is no longer as plausible.
    Also, after Rf4 black can simply play on the exchange down by playing Qh1 and picking up white's queen at the end.
    A few observations anyway.

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      I never use Stockfish, it seems like cheating.

    • @theinacircleoftheancientpu492
      @theinacircleoftheancientpu492 Před 2 lety

      @@toriless
      Two things,
      I was talking about the line Nelson showed that stockfish recommended.
      Secondly, indiscriminate use of engines is not beneficial, yes, but they can be used in training to good effect.

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 Před 2 lety

    At 9:55, Nc5 forces a queen move and allows Nd7 to fork the rook and f6. Rb8 is another follow-up idea (maybe with check if black moved Rf7). It is hard to know how it will work out though.
    At 14:27, black has Bh3; Ke1, Qxg2; Be3, Bg4; Kd2, Qxe2!; Kc3, Rh2; white is down another bishop and pawn and not entirely safe.
    At 16:22, I think Kf2, xf1; Qxf1, ?; I'm missing the forced mate there.
    f5 was my choice actually; I saw the main line, but I couldn't see far enough to make sure it would work out.

  • @TheWolffriendly
    @TheWolffriendly Před 2 lety

    The first one i thought it would be rook b8, because you can sack the bishop on e6 with check.
    If rook takes then you can take the knight, with check, if his king moves away then his rook is stuck and you can also trade rooks forcing it.
    It also depends if his queen captures c1 first, then i would move the lower rank rook first obviously so i don't hang it.

  • @dimensionalblade2778
    @dimensionalblade2778 Před 2 lety

    I got the 2nd position correct with Ra1 followed by d3. I think you lack the sight to see the outpost for the knight which most GMS prioritize.
    My thought process was "I am bit open but I have queen rook and another rook defending. Black has an attack but not a significant advantage. If I manage to hold on to everything I shall win coz of the knight. So my only concern was to get the knight to an outpost and if possible trade some of the attacking pieces." Ra1 followed by d3 is the principled approach I took coz it creates a rook trade offer while my knight can safely get to an outpost. Bit complicated but I will try and figure it out on how to defend the d3 pawn which holds my whole position. Principles involved: Trade opponent's attacking pieces and put knights on outpost. And I think Rg2 is the crazier engine line.
    Also a suggestion: The quizzes are random. If I were to play that game I'd know my materials and what I need to do. And the moves are guessing and random kinda stuff. The higher rated can guess the bad move which runs into trouble after 5 moves but the lower rated can guess the first move correct and then on second move completely blunder the game and lose. It's just so random.

  • @smrtfasizmu6161
    @smrtfasizmu6161 Před 2 lety

    In the first position I considered Rb8, but I thought black would just play Kh7 and entangle. That's why I chose Qxa7.

  • @fritzvandooren4765
    @fritzvandooren4765 Před 2 lety

    At the end of the d3 variation black seems winning with Bishop h3 !!!

  • @jonathanwork7070
    @jonathanwork7070 Před 2 lety

    When I ran stockfish on position 3, for a while it was saying that d3 was better then f5. At the highest depth, it says that f5 is better then d3.

  • @logandihel
    @logandihel Před 2 lety

    Got position 1 and 3 correct! ~800 rating on blitz

  • @Puschit1
    @Puschit1 Před 2 lety +1

    On puzzle 3, d3 was actually the first move I wanted to play. However, I dismissed it because all black has to do is moving his queen to h5 instead of h4. Now he is still threatening checkmate but also guards a5 so I can't give check without losing my queen. So, why is d3 the winning move here?

    • @kogmawmain8872
      @kogmawmain8872 Před 2 lety

      You just capture the pawn at g3 with your Queen.

  • @GunNut37086
    @GunNut37086 Před 2 měsíci

    I didn't choose Rb8 in Postion 1 because it take my queen and rook to pin his knight and rook. I didn't want that many major pieces tied up with a pin while his queen was still in play.

  • @tomassklenar8277
    @tomassklenar8277 Před 2 lety

    About the last position, I think you missed a few nice lines after d3 Nc6 Just slowly stopping the check and only then executing the mate, for example:
    1. d3 Nc6
    2. f5! Qh4
    3. Rf4 Qh2+
    4. Kf1 Qh1+!
    5. Bxh1 Rxh1+
    6. Kg2 Rxe1 unclear
    I didn't find this all on my own of course, my engine helped with Qh1 but it was only on low depth so it might have missed something clever in the other lines, but you had to see this to play 1. d3. That might also be the reason to play 1. f5, you consider 1... Nc6 stronger and play f5 in that variation anyway, so there it just transposes but without the inclusion of d3 Nc6, which definetly helped Black more, because we will anyway need b3 and Bb2 to get the rook out if it dets pinned on the back rank like in the line above, and if he takes the rook I guess we claim we have the 2 bishops and with our active pieces can save the knight on a8, which was otherwise doomed? I don't know, i don't like that position but maybe it's Just all bad and we Just don't reálie how strong the attack are in the other lines? I mean if the d3 line is -2,3 we're definitly missing something :)

  • @adityapanchal534
    @adityapanchal534 Před rokem

    8:56 If black rook takes white rook, we can just play Knight takes queen and then if the rook takes our queen we can just play King to G2 or F2 and continue the game...

  • @Ujjayanroy
    @Ujjayanroy Před rokem

    you dont wanna let the black's bishop to come into the party
    btw just keep continuing this series and we'll keep watching

  • @mattdickerson9642
    @mattdickerson9642 Před 2 lety

    Took me ages to come up with Qd1. I think my calculation skills need to be made of more durable concrete.
    I prefer this quiz over the rare chess questions in the local pub quiz.

  • @steinanderson9849
    @steinanderson9849 Před 2 lety +1

    good positions this week!

  • @notchmath9642
    @notchmath9642 Před 2 lety +2

    In the first position, I don’t understand quite why Rb8 is so good. Yes, it locks in Black’s knight and rook- but it also locks in your own Queen and Rook for the duration of the pin, so as long as you keep it, Black’s playing with a queen and bishop vs your rook and bishop. How is that an advantage?

    • @ChessVibesOfficial
      @ChessVibesOfficial  Před 2 lety

      You can move your rook or queen whenever you like with no negative consequences. Black can't move either of those without losing a piece.

    • @iflash05
      @iflash05 Před 2 lety

      I have no idea, I thought the same

    • @crazypomp927
      @crazypomp927 Před 2 lety +2

      White's queen and rook don't have to stay on a8 and b8. They can be moved laterally along the back rank to pressure different parts of Black's position and maintain the pin at the same time. And white can get their own king off the back rank and potentially bring the other rook up to the 7th or 8th rank bringing even more pressure. Imagine a position with the white king on g2, the one rook has moved over a square from b8 to c8, and then white plays R1b8 to triple up on Black's back rank. Crushing.

    • @le_gus001
      @le_gus001 Před 2 lety

      @@ChessVibesOfficial can you tell us after the three positions some rough puzzle ratings of these positions?

  • @scoutbane1651
    @scoutbane1651 Před 2 lety +1

    Dont you lose rook with d3 too at the end with a skewer? So you lose the rook either way but the other position is better than the one reached with just d3

  • @diantecastine7235
    @diantecastine7235 Před 2 lety

    The reason f3 is best in position 3 is because Qh2 followed by Bxh3, is a great threat that would at least win the bishop.
    On the other hand, there are no strong attacks that white has with just his Queen and knight.
    Maybe, it would be enough against a human, especially with time issues, but with beat defense, black would be okay, and white would probably have to give up a rook to stop the pawn from Queening

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      Yeah, knight is out of the game, force trades so it can move.

  • @MarcelElfers
    @MarcelElfers Před rokem

    Puzzle 10-1. Sure, Rb8 pins two pieces but the white Q and R are pinned by themselves while Qc4 controls the center. What is better?

  • @tomassklenar8277
    @tomassklenar8277 Před 2 lety

    Most of these positions, if not all of them, are solved by a tactic or a line with few moves. Could you consider also putting in a position from like a breyer Ruy Lopez or QGD, Just to test Pure strategické thinking? People often asociate skill with tactical skill and can easily get outplayed in such positions, which is why it would be a nice thing to add to maybe motivate moře learning strategy :)

  • @antonioparra3186
    @antonioparra3186 Před 2 lety

    In position 2, when queen takes on d3, does knight c5, with check on the queen, allow a fork on d7 to win the back pawn?

  • @alexeymalafeev6167
    @alexeymalafeev6167 Před rokem

    I ran problem 3 on stockfish 15 for a while (to depth 43), and it oscillated between d3 and f5 till 38, then proceeded to suggest f5 at -4.75~.
    1. f5 Qh4 2. Rf4 Qxf4 3. d3 e3 4. Qa5+ b6 5. Qd5+ Bd7 6. Qf3 Qh4 7. Qb7 cxd3 8. exd3 Qf4 9. Qc7+ Qxc7 10. Nxc7 Kxc7 11. Bxe3 Kd8 12. d5 Nf6 13. a4 Bxf5 14. a5 bxa5 15. Bxa7 Nbd7 16. d6 Re8 17. Bd4 Re6 18. Bc3 Ke8 19. Rxa5 Bxd3 20. Bb4 Kf7 21. Bh3 Re3 22. Ra7 Bb5 23. Rb7 Bc6 24. Rc7 g2 25. Rxc6 Rxh3 26. Kxg2 Rb3 27. Bc3 Ke6 28. Ra6 g6 29. Kf3 Nd5 30. Ra1 Rb5 31. Kg4 N5f6+ 32. Kh4 g5+ 33. Kh3 Kxd6 34. Bxf6 Nxf6 .
    Yeah, that's not very human.

  • @shambhav9534
    @shambhav9534 Před 2 lety

    I saw both f5 and d3. I'm a genius! Only if I could stop hanging pieces in winning positions...

  • @zombieplayz8969
    @zombieplayz8969 Před 2 lety +2

    1000 elo chesscom
    3:55 I wanted to play R5b4 to trade of my bishops and I did consider Qxa7 but I forgot what I didn't like about Qxa7 also Rb8 I didn't like coz I thought I was tying down my pieces
    6:20 the weird thing is when I saw this position the first move that came to my mind was Rg2 but I dismissed it coz I thought Kh8 and we've accomplished nothing and later thought of Qd1 to get my queen to b3 but Rfc8 didn't even cross my mind
    13:55 this was weird coz my first idea i really wanted was Bxe4 but I was too tired the day I submitted my position that I just said d3 since it opened my dark squared bishop 🤣 I didn't even know my king was in danger
    These positions were hard for my 1000 elo brain

    • @crazypomp927
      @crazypomp927 Před 2 lety

      Don't feel bad. These positions were hard for much higher rated brains as well. The highest rated group actually did the worst on position 2!

  • @flpsnk4848
    @flpsnk4848 Před 2 lety

    Yea, these positions were hard, but I like it, not gonna learn anything from easy positions :) so thanks and keep it up!

  • @alihaydar728
    @alihaydar728 Před 2 lety

    Position 3, d3 cannot be played because black queen to f5 next stops white's defence/attack

  • @SteveNugget
    @SteveNugget Před 2 lety

    For the first position my brain was like, give king check via bishop sac. Upon further inspection I still want to do it even if I lose just to scare the crap out of my opponent

  • @Zelda1990s
    @Zelda1990s Před 2 lety

    @4:08 with Rb8, I was having a hard time figuring out what to play if Kh7. I liked Rb8, because it seemed to tie down 3 of blacks pieces, but doesn't Kh7 get ready to say I'm going to play moves like e6 and Ne7, though I guess could try e6 and Ne7 without playing Kh7.

    • @faznaz7455
      @faznaz7455 Před 2 lety

      Rc8 to threaten queen then double rooks on back rank looks very dangerous.

    • @Zelda1990s
      @Zelda1990s Před 2 lety

      @@faznaz7455 Rc8 is an idea... maybe d5, which I'm not a huge fan of the suggestion, because white has some interesting idea after d5... like Rbb8 anyways.

  • @sumitvaz8717
    @sumitvaz8717 Před 2 lety

    Rb8 on puzzle 1 also keeps our queen and rook tied. If we move either, then the knight and rook aren’t trapped anymore. I dont see how Rb8 is better than Qxa7

  • @andreasraaberg7046
    @andreasraaberg7046 Před 2 lety

    at 14:18 the queen can checkmate you, blacks rook is ready to support the queen at h8

  • @ekiM2K
    @ekiM2K Před 2 lety +1

    Played the second best move each time. Very frustrating. Especially because f5 is total hogwash.

  • @bee5318
    @bee5318 Před 2 lety

    We don't keep rook. After check from Rh1 white rook is gone. So maybe stockfish want to give it earlier to avoid any counterplay

  • @serulu3490
    @serulu3490 Před 2 lety

    14:30
    Black does have a very good Bh3 move through, doesn't he? It's again eventual checkmate and ahead of material

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      Black is way ahead, which is why you have to try and force moves.

  • @nooey1487
    @nooey1487 Před 2 lety

    Great series. Have you considered further separating the different rating levels? Maybe only 900-1000, 1500-1600, and 2000 and up? That would really separate the different skill levels?

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      so F to the 1001-1499 and 1601 - 1999, we do not care what you think.

    • @nooey1487
      @nooey1487 Před 2 lety

      @@toriless no that's not what I'm trying to say.
      If, say you divide it by 1000-1500 and 1500-2000, there are a lot of players around 1300-1700 in there that might play very similar moves. So that will tend to make the 1000-1500 and 1500-2000 groups more similar with more overlap.
      By separating the groups more severely, we'll see a bigger difference and therefore, really show the differences in how beginners, intermediates, and advanced players think. And that's the whole goal of this series.

  • @harrygross77
    @harrygross77 Před 2 lety +1

    You stumped this 450 rated chump, for the 1st time in 5 weeks, but in puzzle 2 the difference between the top 2 moves was extremely minimal

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      Only in percentages, moving the pawn is better

  • @simonbrejcha62
    @simonbrejcha62 Před 2 lety

    Broooo, i was like, oh crap, I am so bad, but then, the hidden move number 4 that stockfish likes and I am so proud of myself 💪💪💪

  • @leapdavid
    @leapdavid Před 2 lety

    These felt hard. In Position 1 I was bothered that black's queen could easily take 2 pawns at c2 and a2. It wasn't intuitive to ignore that without a stronger move. BTW, I'm not against hard puzzles, but perhaps a little difficulty warning can help. Otherwise, I felt like giving up before thinking it through when I just don't see an obvious answer.

  • @leos.8374
    @leos.8374 Před 2 lety

    I wonder in position 3 after :
    d3 Qh4
    Qa5+ Ke8
    Isn't Re1 better than Rd1 ? Because it is protected by the queen.
    Because after :
    Rd1 Qh2
    Kf1 Qh1
    Bxh1 Rxh1
    White loses a rook. Maybe there is check with black square bishop that wins the rook back later but I am probably missing something Re1 can cause...

  • @NighthawkVI
    @NighthawkVI Před 2 lety

    I found in Position 3 f5 was my First Idea to move.... weired cause i didnt was thinking much about this move

  • @abortitwow
    @abortitwow Před 2 lety

    I love how at the end I was looking forward to the averages since this time I got all ideas right for all 3 positions..... Little did I know there wasnt one. (860 rated btw)

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      Oddly, the one game I played on LiChess guessed 1500. I doubt I am that good since I still struggle with 1200 level sometimes. I usually win against rated bots up to 1200 but it takes me a long time.

    • @deadlypendroppingby
      @deadlypendroppingby Před 2 lety

      Same, but 1000, although the last one took me way to long to be played in an actual game.

  • @BRNRDNCK
    @BRNRDNCK Před 2 lety

    Funny to see everyone complaining about the last position... f5 followed by Rf4 was my first instinct. I didn't have all the lines worked out and maybe it was luck but pretty interesting.

  • @C.J.Taylor
    @C.J.Taylor Před 2 lety

    9:12 After rook A8, what about d3? Either Queen trade, relaxing black’s attack or better for us… right? I’m 835 anyway…

  • @livebymyheartauthorsmr2569

    hello: Position 3 and the move d3 still seems to lose for white. Thus
    1. d3,, Rh5
    2. Q moves Rh1-CHK
    3. K x R Qh3 chk and wins
    3 B x R Qh3
    4, Rf2 p x r Chk
    5. Kxp Qxb - next move is bh3 and black should win

  • @Mati-zc2ym
    @Mati-zc2ym Před 2 lety

    d3? It's important that bishop guards h1. d3 Rh1+ Bxh1 Qh4 Qa5+ Ke8 and?

  • @yotamabady7457
    @yotamabady7457 Před 2 lety

    Position 2 was very frustrating... Every move looked bad. I almost played Qd1 but I noticed Rc8 and after about 20 minutes I just said Ra1 because I couldn't think of anything else.

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      it is lousy position but you have to use the queen to save yourself and eventually force a trade.

  • @mcbescheiden725
    @mcbescheiden725 Před 2 lety

    In position 3 I found the right move without seeing I'm getting mated lol.

  • @FatalPapercutz
    @FatalPapercutz Před 2 lety +3

    I'm confused on position 2? If the best move gives you an evaluation of -0.3, why are you avoiding eternal chess?

    • @iamalittleboat
      @iamalittleboat Před 2 lety

      because even though it is equal with perfect play, you are still playing for a win

    • @potatoboy549
      @potatoboy549 Před 2 lety

      No reason. With perfect play, the position is actually a draw.

  • @snowman3456
    @snowman3456 Před 2 lety

    14:58 knight takes b6 would have also worked right?

  • @emohammid
    @emohammid Před rokem

    because the black queen could move h5 and prevent the white queen from checking the king

  • @MrJcvk
    @MrJcvk Před 2 lety

    what about all the checks that white has on 8:59?

  • @Anarak46
    @Anarak46 Před 2 lety

    What about Qe2 instead of Qf1 in position 2? The goal is a draw because there is no way white can survive two connected passed pawns on the kingside.

    • @toriless
      @toriless Před 2 lety

      If black tries to check you can take out 1 which is all you need.

  • @RedGallardo
    @RedGallardo Před 2 lety +1

    Judging by the preview, only people with rating 2610+ can end the game when they have a chance XD

  • @Kokurorokuko
    @Kokurorokuko Před 2 lety +1

    8:56 Qa8+ saves both the queen and the knight, right?

    • @faznaz7455
      @faznaz7455 Před 2 lety

      If Queen leaves back rank, Rc1 followed by Qf1 is a mate in 2 threat. The black king can hide on h6 and white will run out of checks.

  • @toriless
    @toriless Před 2 lety

    But once you check from H6 you can take his rook and his king is still in check locked in at H7.

  • @evgenymukhin
    @evgenymukhin Před 2 lety

    3rd was tough.

  • @coreyeverett5500
    @coreyeverett5500 Před 2 lety +1

    I actually SCREAMED at my screen when the computer suggested f5. I've never straight-up refused to believe that a computer's best move is worse than my own but here we are. What are you ON, STOCKFISH?! THROWING AWAY A ROOK TO GET LIKE THE *EXACT* SAME POSITION AS D3?!

  • @RootBoyJim
    @RootBoyJim Před rokem

    Pos3: b7 in answer to d3 maybe?

  • @stanleylin7188
    @stanleylin7188 Před 2 lety

    I am confuse on the first puzzle. If you go queen to d5 can’t black just go queen takes c2 to gain a free pawn ?

    • @faznaz7455
      @faznaz7455 Před 2 lety

      They can but they will be in trouble from some complicated tactics.

  • @wideeyewanderer1785
    @wideeyewanderer1785 Před 2 lety

    These are fun

  • @JiLoa13
    @JiLoa13 Před 2 lety

    12:30 What about Rb6 to get your Knight out?

  • @markodragojevic5967
    @markodragojevic5967 Před 2 lety +1

    Do you coaching?

  • @vladimirmokeev2856
    @vladimirmokeev2856 Před rokem

    It's so strange to take positions that are completely lost or have almost any move keeping advantage saved.

  • @daleleisenring4275
    @daleleisenring4275 Před 2 lety

    -1.8 isn't "playable by white" its a technical win for black. My understanding of the centipawn count is based on Chessbase, LiChess, FICS, ICC, Chess24, evaluations. And experience. Almost 6 decades. That position may not be an immediate mate for black, but black is clearly winning in my opinion. I'm +2000 standard and rapid on LiChess and the king safety is compromised.

  • @oldsuitman7762
    @oldsuitman7762 Před 2 lety

    how many hours a day do you devote to chess?

  • @fiqrisharel3542
    @fiqrisharel3542 Před 2 lety

    9:04 why not save the queen and knight by going Qa8+?

  • @stephenforest3345
    @stephenforest3345 Před 11 měsíci

    Rg2 was my choice!

  • @kasperkappe9066
    @kasperkappe9066 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey man i think the link to quiz 10 is wrong, it goes to quiz 7