Club One-Foot behind ball? Idiosyncratic or Perfect?
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- Moe Norman placed the club up to one foot behind the golf ball at address. Is this a key to his consistency?
Many consider Moe's club placement idiosyncratic yet according to Moe, this club placement behind the ball helped him eliminate many of the unnecessary movements of the backswing. He would often say "They say you should take it back low and slow, what is lower and slower than that?"
Moe's club placement created an ideal club-to-body relationship where his trail shoulder was already turned into his backswing and because of the club placement, the hands were naturally ideally placed in front of the club head.
In this video I discuss Moe's club head position and why his placement behind, sometimes up to one foot behind the ball, was actually an easier way.
This has been the first tip that has straitened up my driving in 40 years! All so simple!
Great explanation. I am trying to get this swing into my head and replace my previous swing thoughts. You are a credit to the memory of Moe Norman. I am very proud of what you have accomplished.
He was a genius! Thanks for sharing, this is awesome!
Another very important aspect that I immediately noticed was that it forces you to move into the ball rather than staying static over the ball or worse yet falling back on the back leg. It also forces the rotation of the upper body. That gives you the power and stops those horrible duck hooks.
I was doing that for a long time but I took a lesson and was told to put the club right up near the ball at address. After watching this, I'm going back to my old way
Want you to know, I showed one of your videos of Moe Norman's swing to a 75 year old friend, and it made his day. A lifetime golfer, semipro, he suffered an injury that prevented him from making his full backswing. He made adjustments, but was resigned to not playing like he used to.
Watching Moe Norman's swing made him realize he could get his game back. So now you've helped us both!!!!!
I cant thank you enough for that!!😍😁
This is actually the best advice I've ever heard from Moe Norman.
Blows my mind, 30 years of playing golf and i have never heard of putting the club so far behind the ball before, i can't wait to try it
Just make sure you do it with the tilt of the body not just sticking the club back behind. Ok?
The apprentice of the master has become a master teacher!👍👍
I’m loving this swing more every day. It all makes sense!
Yes. Common sense.
Todd,
Finally a pro like Bryson is bringing the spotlight to Moe’s “single plane” brilliance! Thank you for championing Moe and his swing, which not only simplifies the madness of swing instruction but creates an opportunity for everyone to enjoy golf in a way they have never before! Keep up the great work.👍👍👍
Thanks Steven. I appreciate the support.
All is said in your comment, nothing to add!
Moe Norman was an amazing man. Too think how long it took him to piece this perfect swing together. Thank you so much Todd for posting these videos on CZcams. There are some, such as myself, who are so grateful for your breaking down his swing for us. I have been practicing all videos you have been posting. I have come to realize that I should have started this much earlier in life. Thanks again Todd.
I tried this swing years ago and then went back to the conventional swing due to my instructor. Anyway 2 x years off golf and now playing again following this method. WOW pure sweet spot impact hits with more distance than ever, and they feel so sweet off the face. Thanks so much Todd i have started to enjoy golf instead of getting frustrated. Great game now !!!!
I’m not anti conventional golf swing but it means hard work cause it isn’t natural and logical with biomechanics. Moe found the proper way to use a golf club and I can’t understand why 99% of teachers don’t include this in their lessons. Sure, not easy to copy but I guess it’s something when you get it. I’m working on it secretly still using a conventional swing but I feel it better & better especially by using ground forces effortlessly !
I think this is one of your MOST helpful videos. I wasn't getting why you had to put the club behind the ball. It didn't seem necessary. But I couldn't get the swing to work. This revelation has made it come together.
This I think, is the last piece of the jigsaw for me ( I hope ). I have purposely been using the single plane swing for a few months now and I think and hope it is beginning to pay off . The one thing in the swing that I was struggling with was starting with the clubhead so far behind the ball. I usually try to play the ball with my club about 3 inches behind the ball, I have discovered although single plane my club is moving back to the ball from an out to in direction which sets the ball flying to the left. I'm a 28 handicapper, after watching this video last night a couple of times, I played the front 9 at my local course and everything fell into place. Forcing myself to play every shot about a foot behind the ball the natural swing path becomes in to out without thinking about trying to do it and the ball flies dead straight. My score on that front 9 today was single bogies on 6 holes, 2 pars and one double bogey. I am delighted. Many thanks Todd, looking forward to my local clubs midweek stableford competition tomorrow.
That's quite a dramatic improvement!
The alignment (club a few feet behind the ball, the ball and the spot out in front of the ball) discussed related to the swing path is genius. It works so well and allows such a freedom to the swing. Game changer for me. Wow.
Definitely improved my driving, I have managed to max out my power and got height and carry. The long iron stuff is working beautifully, I just pick up a 5 iron and cover the yardage. You have also made me put a 3 hybrid back in to play, a club I had dropped because it just wasn’t delivering. Cheers ! Enjoying my golf again.
Thanks for the explantion, now i am very clear how the club face should aim at setup!!!!! I was confused, thought the club face was aligned to the club path, it has to be aligned to the target line!!!
3 spot line up. How simple and fantastic. I will be trying that. Thank you.
Thanks.
@@ToddGravesGolf Fantastic explanation and follow through. Next question, I understand in the SPS the head stays down and behind the ball, but where do the eyes focus? If one was to pick a spot to "stare" at through the swing/in the line up, where should that be? And does that apply the same to all clubs? That is probably the final missing piece I need to be consistent. Thank you for your dedication to Moe!
Todd I have been playing golf now for over forty years and I have watched many a golf instruction swing video/s yet struggled all of those years with their tuition! Then I click onto your web page and find your story and your friendship with Moe which was very touching and so powerful and then YOU keeping Moe's legacy going throughout every video you put on your web page even to this day, you give Moe the credit and not making this swing your own! Your explanation of the one plain golf swing (Moe's swing) is so precise and am sure all golfers who click onto your site get your message! I am 70 years young next May and am playing better golf now in when I was 21 years of age! Many thanks Todd for helping me turn the corner to better golf! Moe would be so proud of you for your loyalty!
Glad it was helpful!
@@ToddGravesGolf , no doubt you’re helpful !! Millions people play golf and millions of them are frustrated. They just haven’t been told… I can’t understand why this way isn’t an option for most of teachers with weekenders who struggle with their golf game…losing time, money and fun!
Best Shot of My Life today, had a huge break through at the range with a single plane swing. Hit my 5h (same loft as 5 iron) 170 yards, used to be 150. I used single plane upper body with classic lower body action and was hitting it longer than I ever have. Hit my 8 iron 130, used to be 120.
Nice!
He was a genius! Thanks for sharing, this is awesome!
I agree.
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These break downs if Moe's swing are great. I have been watching vids of Moe swing before I would hit balls at the driving range, but could not quite understand certain things you have been clearing up
Todd.
You are a great teacher and a kind responder to questions.
You really don’t tout your book and training foot position board enough.
It’s all in there with drills.
All the best.
Thanks.
I think I remember Fred Couples saying one of his teachers told him to start the club about a foot behind the ball too. This tip is gold! It really does help to straighten out a weak slice. Keeps you from taking the club too outside at the beginning
This is the hardest part for me to wrap my head around. The explanation about path really helps.
I think one reason is that it is a forward ball position which helps engancing followthrough body rotation and restricting too much backswing. The result is shorter backswing and longer foreswing followthrough.
Thanks for this one Mr. Graves. I have struggled with a forward trail shoulder, which produces lots of problems.
I do this for a different reason. I had gotten very "ball bound" over the years. So, instead of looking at the ball, I look at the patch of grass behind the ball during the swing, ignoring the ball. My irons and chipping improved dramatically. Ive always done this with driver. I watch the low point of grass behind the ball. Now interested in going single plane.
I do the same thing but I look at a blade of grass slightly in front of the ball where the hossle will strike the ground on a perfect impact. I started doing that at 25 and if I don't lose concentration I never miss the ball in the sweet spot........ever.
Bought and read the book.. fabulous. This concept in this video is incredible, it works.. makes you really get into that front leg but once you get it it simply works. That's what I have discovered about this system.. it takes the swing thoughts out.. there are so few things to remember and coordinate, I am only a week into implementing it and no more shanks.. no nerves on the box anymore, I know even an average swing produces a working shot. I am an instant fan of the swing and you and I am pushing this on my friends.
I’ve been struggling with a slice lately, went to a golf instructor who is trying to teach me to shallow the club.. I have a bad right hip and a bad right shoulder. I started playing the ball further up in my stance on my single length irons and hybrids tonight just to see what happens and... voila! Slice turned into a fade. Now I’m going to use this tip. I accidentally stumbled onto a single plane swing tonight and I think this strategy will put the icing on the cake. Thank you!
Glad it helped.
Thanks for explaining that.
Enjoying these insights with into the SPS. Thanks Todd
You’re welcome
I starting to switch to this swing your videos are great thank you for taking the time
Very well explained and understandable-THANK YOU!! As I continue to TRY and teach myself the CORRECT WAY to swing -I WANT TO GIVE YOU ACCOLADES FOR PRESENTING A GOLF SWING THAT IS LEARNABLE TO EVERYONE-Pure genius. I know and respect that Moe made this possible BUT you Mr. Graves with YOUR GENIUS and the advent of technology have taken this to a level of understanding for all of us-THANK YOU!!
Thanks James.
Ditto 🙏🏻
Im glad you have this channel - trying to make the game easier for all golfers - great stuff thanks
Thanks Tom. On that note, let me know of anything you would like me to cover. Thanks again.
Todd Graves Driver longest club swing it fastest least lofted - keys to remember for driver would be great
Todd Graves also course management- keys
@@TomSmith-yt8ce Got it. Thanks.
Every time I have ever experimented with setting up the club well behind the ball, I have always struck the ball better conventional swing or not, .. in the past I have been very steep and for whatever reason this always helps catch the ball far more clean.
I suggest you Stop experimenting and commit to the correct fundamentals.
@@ToddGravesGolf I hear you, it’s tough mid season, I have a tournament tomorrow but this fall I will change over. In the meantime I am implementing the feel if not the “Real”
@@ToddGravesGolf I find I thin the ball when I move the ball forward in my stance. The ball seems to hit higher and I'm just not sure it is a good swing for me. Any suggestions
@@kyle6525 you must get the correct ball position. Not just move it forward. DO you have the correct ball position?
@@ToddGravesGolf not really sure. I recently had a lesson. The PGA instructor was teaching Moe Norman but I felt incredibly stretched out and I do not understand how to hit the ball without wanting to fall forward and my miss is a consistent bladed shot.
I've been trying to learn single-plane swinging and when I setup properly, it seems that my body just wants to put the club 6"-1' at setup. It does seem weird, and you think you're going to hit the ground behind the club but I'm doing the best ball-striking ever! Great hits that just pick the ball clean. Using my old, conventional swing, way too many of my swings resulted in a duff. Loving your training!
Hi Tod. Best video to date!
Personally I do not think of the extras tilt because when I bend my body my club head is automatically placed inches away from my ball not one foot;but as many inches as it needs to be
Please allow me to explain further .
As you know Moe Norman in his unique lateral swing said he always places his ball in relationship to his front foot at the exact same place every single time and regardless of which club he uses. We then see him taking aim as he is moving his club head several inches away from his ball; and then at the point we see both his elbows pointing at his hips just before he swings his club. The elbows pointing at the hips was exactly what Ben Hogan shows in his 5 lessons; but did not do this himself. On Moe’s downstairs we can see Moe’s club returning to its exact same low point directly to his ball every single time. Sending his ball straight to his target. Why? Because his lateral swing is controlled solely by his knees and lower body with his upper body and hips simply following. Amazing!
At age 76 my three point aim as you have shown in this fine video is now much easier by doing the simplicity of above. I call it my Moe Norman/Ben Hogan hybrid swing and now have the feeling of greatness for myself. Cheers
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nice tip Todd....I like the right shoulder open at address rather than in a traditional somewhat closed position promoting a slice and over the top
Thank you Todd, in downswing I see slight bend and kick towards lead knee, I believe that is covering up the gap between the club and ball in address position
Works for me. Thank you.
Hey Todd, Moe’s swing is essentially “right sided”. So setting up with the right side directly above the club head allows for a proper on plane take away. The same goes for left sided “swingers”... setting up with the left side above the ball for on plane take away. Moe then slides into the ball on the downswing to get his right side above the ball for impact.. classic hitting technique! 👍
Thanks for the comment. I would suggest that the swing is "both" sided and, as far as slide, I don't agree with slide either. If you look at my video on this channel, you will see that I analyze his swing from behind and there really is very little lateral spine movement. There is no lateral movement without rotation so I try to avoid describing Moe's swing in one dimensional references because all movements are three-dimensional.
Played a club match yesterday against a +2 hcp and noticed he setup his irons about a inch behind the ball and his driver 6 inches . Tried it on course today and never hit a ball better and it never felt so easy to hit a ball.
I place about 3 inches or so to me it makes harder to pick up the club to early so I always have a wide swing arch never shallow or steep.
if you put the club behind the ball, the ball easily becomes your target even if you picked a spot in front of the ball before. then you start releasing at the ball instead of at your true target. by putting the club further behind the ball this (visual) risk is eliminated and you naturally follow the path through the ball to the picked spot in front of the ball.
Setting up with the club further behind the ball, eliminating start of the backswing, certainly helps me to keep the path straighter through impact, hello fairway.
I have started to place the putter 2-4 inches away from the ball too, helps me to visualize and keep the straight path through the ball towards the hole. Not sure if I saw that as a tip or if it just came naturally after starting to place the other clubs far behind the ball.
I know the typical putting recommendation is to keep as still as possible when putting, but for me it works better "feeling the ball to the hole" when putting as well, similar to a short Moe chip, but with the claw grip..
In my many years of using this swing, I've not been able to set the club back with irons. It's a mental block, or maybe better to say I have never been willing to endure the temporary issues that would come with making a change. I do it with the driver and to a lesser extent with other woods. And, I do fight with backswing issues, especially on irons. The set back makes so much sense. I need to accept the teething pains and try to do it.
It really isn't that far back. Do it with tilt and make sure you look at the ball, not the club head.
Absolutely Fabuloso! Thanks Todd!!
I tried it and you're right!
This works for me ,I even get a slight draw on the ball ..I would say the hardest part of this is keeping your eye on the ball and trusting your swing . It does work and will give you a simple but great golf swing .
Great tip!
I always keep ball position basically same but what changes is that I get wider as the clubs get longer ie hybrids and Drivers. I changed to single length irons about 3 years ago and for ne that was the best move I made as my PW through 4 iron are exact same stance width and same w act Setup
I started doing this because it helped me to stop hitting behind the ball
I'm struggling with topping the ball a lot with this swing. When it goes well though it's soo good!
Match the model, stick to fundamentals and you will start getting more consistent.
Your probably straightening your lead leg. Keep it bent
I was topping well, I think I was over swinging... I switched to a shorter back swing and relaxed a lot, starting making better contact right away.
This might be the best video yet. That target line I definitely can understand and see. I mean thats huge. Club Ball Target. DOT DOT DOT... Thats why the guy was so straight. " You follow the path". I'm calling in sick 2mro so I can play golf. And also Todd Graves are your 3 day Orlando session include logging with the $1599 price tag?
Do this with all the sticks. Works perfect!
Validation! My 3 wood is 5in behind ball. 4 iron, half that much. Really love your videos before I practice!
Great perspective, Todd.
By the way… Just so you know…
I’ve been NORMANIZED!!
Have fun!
Awesome!
It wasn't until I realized he didnt put the club 1 ft behind the ball but he actually started his swing plane that I really started stroking it.
moe was an artist on golf.
savant no doubt- way way before I ever knew or heard about Mo or Todd Graves - I just would “see” in my minds eye swing path/plane and just swing back and thru on same plane. Im 6’5” 210 53 yrs old 7.1 ghin and took major crap from pro at course because thought I was too tall for this swing pro was an asshole. My point is ANYONE CAN SWING ON SINGLE PLANE - WHY MAKE GAME HARDER ? Ive always tried to eliminate variables to make game as easy and simple as possible. ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO TODD THANK YOU
Great video
Thanks!
Question- does the amount behind the ball you address depend on length of club or always about a foot behind? Or are you looking for shaft angle and lead an to align?
on the course the grass actually impedes the start of the back swing and I pick up the club high, this completely eliminates the problem.
you got it.
do you still swing down at the ball?
Great stuff, Todd!
Your videos face on and DTL wrt Moe/your swing show the set up position nicely, but it would be super helpful to see some more videos w driver and irons from ABOVE looking DOWN at address and even (if possible) some slo-mo's for the swings from above!!
This view would show an extra perspective w your commentary on head, shoulder, club and clubface position before, during and at the end of your swing!!
Is this doable??
Thanks!!
Chip
Agree 100%. One of the flaws of online intructions is that you never see instruction from the players view, the one that realy matters.
I produced a piece called "Inside the Single Plane Swing" - which does exactly that - shows the golf swing from the "players" view. I will try to post more from this perspective.
THANK YOU!!
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Hi Todd!
Have been thinking more about the overhead view of the Moe Norman technique and how beneficial this would be for your students. THAT view is also exactly what the golfer sees when he looks down at his arms, legs, the ball and the correct position of the club and clubface angle etc. I DID look at the video clip you recommended ("Inside...) but it is a very, very brief clip which includes the overhead view. Anyway, I sure hope that you could use your considerable teaching resources to produce a lesson that incorporates the overhead view! Thanks!
hi todd i am still learning the one plane swing i just bought a set of tour edge hybrid irons hl4 but my putter still not arrived must be the slowest mob ever as i have bought many drivers and irons from usa get it in 2 weeks cheers carl van milder
Best Striker of the golf ball in history
Really? I think tiger and Jack may have been a little better...lol
Brilliant
Would be nice to see a video with detalied information of the right arm during the back and down swing. How that right arm goes back and fold.
This might help.: czcams.com/video/jzllHhHsMWI/video.html
@@ToddGravesGolf will placing the club that far behind the ball, make it look a little open at address when looking down at it?
Thanks
The club-face is moving in an arc, it cannot be square to the target at the bottom of the arc, and square past it. Unless you're saying your club-face is not travelling in an arc. But it cannot be both, by definition.
even when I wasn't swing SP back then I have the club a foot behind the ball with driver.
When we put the club so far behind the ball on a single plane with the left arm, the club head should be open (to the target) and the center of the club should be lower than the center of the ball/alignment. So, how do we get three points alignment?
You can call it the Moe Triangle Swing .Triangles are the ultimate stable structure and he used triangles in his motion .It is no secret .Just logic and scientific ,also not conforming to others .Bryson proved that this year .I can swing this way and not hurt my lower back 💪🏻
I realise that you have to master the basics of the single plane swing first but can you fade or draw the ball with the single plane swing thanks
I hit fades and draws here: czcams.com/video/2q_ylNATMq0/video.html, keep in mind I rarely curve the ball when I play.
One of the characteristics of Moe’s grip and swing appears to have been having both wrists maxed out in “thumbs down” ulnar deviation at impact. The significance of that orientation is that it locks up the wrists and locking up the wrists at the exact moment a compressed on the face of the club is ready to release and the face has swung square to the target will release the ball straight to the target automatically regardless of where the club is put prior to swing it if one sets up and aims the shot with hands club and body exactly as they will be at impact which is what Moe appears to do.
One if the totally illogical things about how the golf swing is taught is setting up at address with hips parallel to target and spine straight because they are ideally locked 45° open at impact and shifted laterally towards target with the spine curved sideways ) with side bend. Regardless of swing style, conventional or single plane, if you put your body and club exactly as they will be at impact (i.e., set-up = impact) with face square to target not behind the ball but slightly in front where it needs to be square to target as ball releases then the subconscious brain now knowing that is where everything - body, club and face angle - need to be will be able to return there reflexively from any other point in the swing.
If you do line up like that with hips 45° open and spine in side bend, then rise up and ground the club behind the ball with hips moved back to parallel and no side bend in the spine you will see that the club went grounded winds up well inside and behind the ball with face open exactly where Moe rested his club head before starting his backswing. From that position with club head inside and behind the ball if you open your hips 45° and side bend exactly like you do at impact you will observe the club head swing out and square the face to target at the spot on the ground slightly in front of the back of the ball where it will actually release off the face.
Moe simply intuitively realized if you line up the shot with body in club where it actually will be at impact it will automatically come back to that position. Australian teaching pro and coach Steve Bann suggested the same “Set-up = Impact” approach in his book “Simply Golf: Back to Basics which I read in the early 2000s so I started using that approach with my conventional dual plane Hogan inspired swing. Now what I do is to actually start my swing with hips 45° open but with shoulders turned parallel 45° ahead of hips in the backswing with front foot flat and back foot angled forward \ on instep. Also similar to Moe I have my wrists locked down in unlar deviation with face squared to target even with middle of ball lining up but then moved behind the ball inside with face open.
Starting with hips 45° open instead of parallel per convention acts like a forward press “on steroids” My backswing starts by just rocking laterally slightly to the point where back foot is flat on ground and front foot angles up on instep \ with no conscious attempt to turn my hips. Like Moe would say, “Why do you want to spin your body in a circle? The target is straight ahead. But momentum acting on mass extended on the lever arm of the club forces the right arm to bend and left arm to swing back which pulls club head mass inside and forces hips to start to turn closed, keeping the shoulders also turning 45° ahead of them. By the time the club momentum acting on the club head mass pulls the shaft of the club horizontal with the ground my hips are turned 45° closed and stopped by the resistance of the squared back foot and the shoulders are still 45° ahead and now 90° to target line. It is a true “one piece” takeaway because from address to top of backswing the relationship of the shoulders to hips remains exactly the same. There is no need to coordinate the timing of independently moving hips and shoulders. One simply needs to be consciously aware of where the hands are and butt end of club is pointing relative to the body as the hips swing back to the 45° closed position and lock, which is the action which triggers the change in club head mass direction up and forward to pull the arms up effortlessly. Moe’s swing was single plane but his wrists changed from ulnar deviation to radial deviation when swinging around the hands coming up just like a dual plane backswing. On the way back down the wrists changing back to ulnar deviation whipped the club around the hands ALL THE WAY BACK TO ULNAR DEVIATION before impact where as in the Byron Nelson invented dual plane action the golfer drops the hands at the top to bend and load the shaft then must sustain the radial deviation lag of the wrist as long as possible to keep the bend in the shaft backwards ) and until releasing it to whip forward ( into the ball to create additional striking force.
In terms of the physics the Nelson dual plane swing sacrifices the potential for accelerating the by allowing it to freely whip around the hands to keep the shaft of the club bent and deliver the energy that stores into the ball. But that requires a downswing technique which keeps the hands outracing the shoulders during the entire backswing to main that bend, a skill most recreational golfers never master and why they can’t deliver the same F=1/2(Mass x Velocity^2) striking force into the ball as a pro who can keep the bend in the shaft all the way down to impact.
Moe’s swing didn’t need to maintain the bend in the shaft by sustaining the radial deviation wrist lag because he instead let the club freely whip around the hands all the way to maxed out ulnar deviation just as the face came square, causing the ball to release with as much more more striking force with the precision and consistency of a Swiss Watch. The other golfer who used the same overall technique, also with a self-taught idiosyncratic unconventional full ulnar deviation at impact was Harry Frankenberg, who like Moe was a PGA outcast forced to make a living as “Count Yogi” performing a golf swing magic act on the fringes of PGA events from the 1940s through the 1980s.
Todd, I have one more question re addressing the ball.
Moe lined the ball up with the heel of the club, you seem to place it more in the middle.
Why to both?
Hi Todd. I am new to all this so it this question has already been answered I apologize. Where should I be looking in relation to hitting the ball. Where the club head is, at the ball or in front of the ball. Thanks
Wonderful stuff!!
Is there much of a difference when swing the shorter irons -7-8-9- and would the ball position change much??
Thanks
Ive been doing this before I ran into your teachings. Great stuff!! For me, this is the equivalent of looking a few inches in front of the ball. You're no longer ball bound and forces you to hit through the ball opposed to hit at it!! Moe is a true genius and gentle man. The smartest people make the complex.. simple! Thanks Todd ☺️
Share videos of your swing guys. #swinglikemoe
Posting my single plane swing from today's range session right now. Should be finished uploading in about an hour. Had a huge breakthrough in distance!
6:47 Might be the purest impact ever witnessed. Wow. I AM curious though as to the mechanics of why the swing looks so abbreviated or “sawed off” at the finish? Ie not rotated to a more hands high position? I have a single plane swing with no wrist hinge or weight shift, but I still fully finish with my hands more rotated closer to the ear. Curious. I see you are way beyond “steering” the club, but that’s what it looks like. You’d say “club toward the target”, but why?
Planted rear foot through impact limits your hip rotation. That means less rotation after impact as well as long as your rear foot stays planted.
I might be wrong but to me it seems the club is a bit open att adress - because it will square up at impact?
So set up square and then the tilt puts the club behind the ball? That’s the pet I get lost with. I often see you set up with the club behind the ball. How do you ensure you are square. That small part is lost to me, especially with driver.
Thanks for another great explanation.
Wondering if you have ever looked at Hendrick Avercamp's landscape paintings from 400 years ago... they look like they are using a single plane set up.
Just looked at them. Looks like Single Plane. Nice.
It works !!
Help! After backing the club up behind that ball is the club face supposed to be open? If so, how much?
Not open
What about hitting out of the rough, or on an undulating fairway? Ball can't be placed that far forward of the club.
when you place the club further back of the ball is the club face a little open or square to the ball?
hi, was his clubface square or open to the target when he placed it so far behind the ball?
What is iron or driver header's angle once you put them back to the ball?
Are you watching the ball at address or the club ?
Is this the same as addressing the driver. Thanks
Hi mrTodd, what will be the possibility of you, sir, making a top 10 placing within 1 year playing tournaments?
I don’t have the time or interest in traveling more than I do now.
Makes a lot of sense to me. Question. Everyone tells us to hit ball first and then take a divot. It doesn't appear to be so easy to do this with this set up. P. S. I don't personally believe the taking a divot theory but that's another issue
No good player TRYS to take a divot. A divot occurs because the hands lead into impact - creating a forward lean in the shaft. Forward lean in the shaft occurs because of ball position as well as the lead shoulder position.
@@ToddGravesGolf so this set up would also really help to encourage getting your weight on the front foot to achieve that forward shaft lean. Cool
Does this apply for all irons including wedges or just long ones ?
Hi Todd, is a bigger grip size, bigger than the size usually recommended or measured by club-fitters, needed for one plane swing, as Moe Norman did mention that he holds the club in his palm, not in his fingers?
I do recommend bigger grips but I dont recommend a total PALM grip as you mentioned. Grip is relative to hand rotation not just holding club in palms.
@@ToddGravesGolf understand. Just saw your video minutes ago on grip, standard grip, natural golf grip, Moe's grip and water bottle grip to exaggerate the oversize, etc. The axis and leverage explanation is easy to understand. Thank you so much!
I thought I was the only weird one doing this
Should a wedge be placed behind the ball the same distance as you would for say 6 iron?
Less because the stance is more narrow but the club to body is the same.
@@ToddGravesGolf good, as I suspected - makes sense. Thanks for replying.
So if I set up next to the ball, go into my side tilt and that will roughly give me the correct distance where I need to be behind the ball... Correct?
Yes. Make sure your clubs are well fitted too. I rely on having clubs I really like to make sure I set up the correctly.
What's funny is I started doing this instinctively with my 3 wood and 5 wood. It seemed to keep me from getting too steep.
Sounds right.
I've been doing this with my driver and been hitting 300+ with a slight draw.
I'll try the irons today.
Here's the thing though... I don't look at the ball when hitting driver.
What did Moe/ @Todd look at when you hit the ball
Nice