The Pedersoli Traditional Hawken rifle test
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This is one of the cheapest Pedersoli guns in the productline. I find it a good solution for hunters, fun shooters, primitive shooters and beginners as well. Here is my accuracy test with target and hunting load as well.
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I have a lot of respect for Pedersoli and other Italian retro gun makers. I applaud their interest in American Firearm history. Looking at some of the comments below concerning problems, keep in mind ANYTHING mass produced as these are, you can get a POS from time to time. All manufacturers can have issues. IMHO
They also make some really nice European replicas.
Hii
I love that you made your passion of history not only into a carrier but a successful CZcams channel.
I was 7 years old the first time I saw Jeremiah Johnson, I've wanted a Hawken rifle ever since.
U rock sir👍
Me too
same but I was 14. Picked one up about 2 years ago but haven't had a chance to shoot it.
@@DirtyFrigginHarry ok maybe it’s just ME but HOW IN THE HELL do you have a rifle for TWO YEARS and not “have the chance to shoot it yet”?!?!?!
@@jordannewsom4578 well at first it was feeding it. BP and substitutes are pretty hard to get ahold of here. Got the rifle in the early spring and none showed up on the shelves till deer season. The big reason is I've been rather preoccupied and getting out to shoot has been difficult. One day i'll be able to use my yard as a rifle range, but not while it's a 1/4th acre in the burbs.
I must only say I admire you for your great work....I'm an italian guy and have millions of tons of words to share with you....your english is near perfection and your work is mind blowing. my wish is share our passion for firearms. they flow through our veins....
keep delighting us!
Appreciate your cap and ball videos and your old world quality firearms.Thank you!!!
The Hawken was my first muzzleloader when I started out. Learned quite a bit with that.
Me too, first BP and a good learning experience as well as long term shorte range hunter. Got me hooked on 50cal.
I've always wanted a .50 cal Hawken. Thanks for the review.
excellent video. I learned a few things here too. Thank you from bunkysdad in Texas. :)
A wonderfully adaptable firearm. I am glad that Pedersoli keeps to the tradition.
Thanks for sharing. That is what I was searching for
I really enjoy your videos. I live in the US and I'm just getting interested in Black Powder rifles. These reviews are a big help. Thanks.
You’ve just convinced me to buy this rifle for deer hunting. Thank you sir.
I want one of these so badly. Especially that flintlock, it looks gorgeous.
You sir are the master of classic firearms!
:) Thanks, still need to improve a lot to be the master. :))
just ordered mine an hour ago. hope I'm not disappointed lol this will be my first muzzle loader and I'm using it to hunt my first muzzleloading deer season in the fall.
I'm new to your channel and really enjoying the videos ive seen so far
I've been looking for a cheaper flintlock so this video really helps
I'm new to his Channel 2 and for what I like about him is he really shoots the old stuff
I have a TC HAWKEN flint lock rifle in.50. I bought it about 35 years ago and it is everything I hoped for. At 50 meters it will shoot hole in hole groups. I use 110 grains of 2F black powder. I know that this is a very strong load, but when hunting I want a load that has the maximum amount of penetration. I use TC MINI BALLS of 350 grains.
Nice shot Mijo!
Thank you for showing !!! Thumbs up and greetz from Germany ;-)
Excellent video (I'm glad I found your videos)! I am curious though, would you recommend this rifle as someone's first black powder percussion rifle? I have recently gotten into collection antique and old fashioned guns but have no idea really where to start. I've found your videos incredibly helpful but could you also recommend a book on everything from loads to cleaning?
Couple of beautiful rifles.
I have a cheap Hawken replica. Twist is 1 in 48 inches. For deer, I use a Thompson Center maxi ball (semi conical, 370 grain) 93 grains of ff goex gives me 2 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. For small game, I use a patched ball of. 490 inches with 55 grains of ff goex. This produces one ragged hole at 50 yards to the same point of impact. I had to experiment for several dozen range sessions to develop these loads,but they have served me well for about 25 years in the field. Longest kill was at 140 yards on a deer. There was a complete pass through in the vital area, and it only moved 20 yards from where it was hit.
Well done review.
Good grief! With our .58 Parker-Hale rifles with conicals we strive for a group like that at 50 YARDS, that's awesome! With some of our rifles though, we found that 1-2 fouling rounds actually helped our groups tighten up.
Very nice, thankyou again capandball! I have used my 50cal Hawken with 2 different ball sizes and 2 different pre-lubed parches, and a load above 80 grains, over a number of years for hunting on a farm in NSW in Australia. Hawkens are worthwhile!
Addit; i am attaching here a reply I made to a BP question earlier in these comments. It asked for a "first BP caliber reccomendation?" A: I hope you do not mind my providing my opinion from Australia. I would suggest you might look at the calibers of historic rifles you like and choose your first BP in one of those calibers. This is because you can use the balls, bullets, patches, ramrods, starters, brushes, etc, etc that you bought for it, potentially in the future if you eventually go for something that you already admire and aspire to. I say this from experience, I bought a second hand Hawken in 50cal from limited options on a gunshop rack, I really love it and spent time, treasure, and storage space on these accessories. One historic rifle I would like to own is in either .54 or .58 cal. If I got one, I would need to obtain all that stuff in the new calibre, again over time as available, and provide storage space for it.
That's a great looking rifle :)
I've had this flintlock version for 7 years. Great rifle, no issues and quite accurate. I would recommend this muzzleloader for anyone looking to get into blackpowder rifles.
How much would you say it recoils? If it’s similar to 12 ga is it buckshot or birdshot?
@@cfishing6235 Less than birdshot. Recoil is not an issue at all.
@@MountainMariner sweet! Got one from my grandpa and I can’t wait to use it!
I think your viedos. are awesome.
I have the 50 cal caplock made in Italy by Investarms...well made , accurate, and handles max loads as well as any.....gave a big old $150 for it years ago, and no, its not for sale......
Well done video!
I shoot a Lyman Great Plains flintlock .50 and I've had fantastic results, especially with my heavier hunting load since it has a 1:32 twist. They cost around $550 so they're not extremely expensive but not low-end either. My hunting load is 95 grs. Goex FFG and a Hornady 385 gr bullet. It's a great elk load but since it shoots great, I use it for everything including pronghorn and deer. It shoots 1-1.25" groups @ 50 yds constantly swabbing the bore between shots. One bad thing, watch out for the recoil. My plinking load is 65 grs Goex FFG, a .495" ball with a .015" patch. This shoots 1.5" @ 50 yds consistently. Good since its a 1:32 twist and the recoil is very minimal.
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Sou aqui do Brasil e essas armas são fenomenais
Me inscrevi a pouco e estou curtindo cada vídeo
What a beautiful rifle. I´m inh love
I bought my first black powder today, Learning all I can before using. Its this same one in the video!
Sehr Eindrucksvolles Schußbild, die Einschläge liegen alle sehr nah zusammen im inneren Kreis, und das cal.54 ist gewaltig, Vielen Dank
now that sir is a rifle i would be proud to own
Great vid. I just subscribed!!
Black powder shooting rules!! I love Pedersoli, I have two flintlock Frontiers, .32 & .50
Keep up the great vids, I'll stay tuned!
awesome rifle!
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Very good video.
Great video..
Me gusta mucho este video, porque yo suelo disparar y competir con el Hawken Rocky Mountain de Pedersoli en calibre 54. Y pude cazar dos jabalies con el Hawken "Santa Fe" de Uberti, también en 54. I really like this video, because I usually shoot and compete with Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken in 54 caliber. And I could catch two boars with Hawken "Santa Fe" from Uberti, also at 54. Regards.
Thank you I really like them I think they look nice I would love to get one
A great video thank you. I wondered if the 1:48 could shoot conicals too, I don;t sadly have a Hawken but picked up a Pedersoli Kentucky .50 cal and your load info is useful
Very nice and well done video. I have a vintage Thompson .50 cal and I love to shoot it in the desert of New Mexico. I have recently begun to make my own black powder and have exceptional results with balsa charcoal. With all respect, the use of the term precision, means the instrument does the same thing each time. Your gun is precision as is well documented in your video by your grouping. Accuracy means it is calibrated against a standard (i.e. hits the bulls-eye) A small nuance but nevertheless a detail to be aware of. Thank you for your posting.
+ElPaso TubeAmps He doesn't show his targets from after he calibrates his sights for that express reason, so we can know how precise it is with is first shots and loads.
I love the format of your videos. Informative, but without the dog and pony show so many others have.
Good shoot'n Tex. Peck that front sight over and you got it.
Or the rear your choice.
NICE VID THANKS!!!!!
Great video. I wonder what lube tool that was used for the 54 cal conical.
Excellent 👌
Excellent
I love hawken flintlock gun
I have two muzzleloaders one is .58 cal Enfield and the other is a .50 cal Thompson Center Hawken. Soon I'll be acquiring a .50 cal Kentucky flintlock.
Very nice
dixie hawken is a great rife
& comes in kit form by dixie gun works !!!
I own the .54 caliber version, using 60 grains of FFg powder, .535 roundball and 0.18 mm patch for 50 mtrs distance . After one or two fouling shots this gun starts shooting cloverleafs.
I am really enjoying your videos. I have not heard about using corn meal except as a filler in cartridge guns. What function does it perform? How much do you use?
Personally, I'd use the round balls for the flint lock, & the conicals for the cap lock, but that's just me.
When your on a Budget, you buy a used Rifle. I shoot a 130€ Hawken Rifle, with an average of maybe 9.2 or 9.3 rings.
I reworked the rifle and made it look pretty and constantly have people ask me what that good looking rifle is I shoot haha
THANKS :)
I use a Sile manucactured Hawkin in .50 cal with round ball. It looks exactly like the one you use. I use a much heavier charge, 70 grains FFFG black powder at 50 yards and 90 grains at 100 yards. At 100 yards it will shoot a 4" group. Might do better if I was a better shooter.
hi nemetz i have a question about your load with round ball. You used 36 grains of Swiss 2 with a round ball of .535 inch. What was the thick of your patch
thks
michael
I love your editing and I do have one question, why is it so important to not have any air between the ball and the gun power in the barrel?
Blackpowder is a quite safe propellant with moderate gas pressures. The only occassion when it can generate much higher pressures is when you leave airspace between ball and bullet. If you are lucky, your bore will only have a bubble, if you are unlucky it can explode as well.
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That would be unfortunate. Thank you for taking your time to answer!
Keep up the good work!
Salpeteroxid
:) Thanks!
***** Just to interject...no airspace between powder and projectile...
And again, very nice video!
Have you had the chance to try there Howdah hunter 20ga I thinking about getting it.
The one thing that bugs me that I was told & read never to do was push the bullet down on top of the powder charge, then stand there bangin on it. Not unless you want it to possibly blow back in your face. Years ago, Thompson Center arms stopped making the Hawken rifle. I found one at the gun show at the Lorain County fair grounds in Ohio. It also has the optional cherrywood stock. No brass, all blued or black. Better rear sight too. Very well balanced & accurate gun. But I like watching the videos anyway.
I was taught not to stand there bangin' on it.Too tight or something. U hunted with it, shot it, etc for many years, so don't jufge those you don't know like you're smarter than the rest of us. Do it right,, cause if it hangs up, it's blowing back in your face.
i never try to look down my black powder revolvers either, but ill be honest.. black powder doesnt ignite when you pound on it.. it needa spark.. and lead doesnt cause sparks man so itll never go off.. ever
@@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305 I meant hangin up or gettin stuck. Powder can blow back and blow the barrel. That's what they claimed anyway.
I’m planning on bidding on a hawkens rifle.
what do you think of the traditions woodsman hawken id really love to know your opinion because these are the ones we get here in canada
+Nick Ross TRaditions is made in Spain, Ardesa is the manufacturer. Max load is limited in all calibers, so if you plan to hunt, I would avoid it. For fun shooting it is a good, and affordable gun. The metal they use and rifling method is not the best, but with patched round ball it will work fine.
Nice
nice. I want a hawken now. what did you use to lube the bullet? is that a specific tool you used.
My moose hunting load is with 320 grain lee bulet 100 grains 2 f powder
I just bought that Lee REAL 320gr & Round Ball mould for my Pedersoli Traditional Hawken & Investarms Bridger Hawken.
I purchased my Pedersoli Hawken from Cabelas. It is a beautiful rifle to look at. If you purchase this rifle you will enjoy the look and feel. But, be ready to spend some very dedicated shooting time with it in order to shoot with any real accuracy. Do not use 2fg powder. Do use 3fg size powder. A tight fitting patch and ball will help.
Ray John care to elaborate why not using the 2fg? Im new to blackpoweder.
For this Pedersoli Hawken rifle use 3f because the inside of the nipple drum is to small for the standard pyrodex rs powder. 2f jams up in the tiny hole of this rifles drum and won't get in under the percussion cap nipple to fire. 3f goes down in there perfect. Now I'll say this since I'm at it. I had to take my Cabelas purchased pedersoli hawken to my gun smith and have it recrowned because whom ever did the original factory crown did a terrible job and so all the shots I've fired through this rifle up until last week where a complete waste of ammunition. If you are thinking of buying a Pedersoli muzzleloader then do not buy from Cabelas. Go to Cherry's or Taylor & Company to purchase your Pedersoli.
I reckon you can get that down to a 1" group. Also being able to fine tune the pull on the front trigger would be nice. Reason I say that is because I think your two flyers were caused by a too light trigger.
You can be right. I do not prefer too light trigger pull either.
Pedersoli & other mass-produced ML weapons can be custom modified to look like entirely handmade 19th-Century sporting guns.
I like them because there's no paperwork or background check on those here in the US
Originated of konyak naga hunting rifle good improvement.
FYI: 40 years ago Alabama like many other states opened an early black powder only season similar to the archery season but not as liberal. Many many shots with my hawken 50 cal later, I was disappointed with its accuracy with the round ball. I remember it weighing around 150 gn plus or minus. I used FFF (80 gn) and a 0.018 patch with a 0.490 round ball, Poor as you have shown here. The rifle was manufactured by Thompson Center. However, I was able to kill the small Alabama deer and won several matches. The set trigger was very good. The soft lead ball at times would not exit and fully expanded was the size of a quarter. Very devastating. The twist was 1 turn in 24". Too slow for one, too fast for the other. 10 yrs later, Browning produced a replica of the John Browning rifle that started his career. The rifle would group (still have it) 6" at 100 yds with a 490 RB. So now you know why. Thanks for your work from an old shooter.
I love this rifle I've taken down a lot of deer with it. I also read family history back 1861 my great great great grandfather owned saint Louis model back in civil war when he was called up for militia duty until 1862 he got 1861 Springfield my father has own he said he owned
Been looking at the flint version to get around Canada gun laws
I have a .45 cal. Pedersoli octagonal barrel with sights, tang and thimbles for the cleaning rod and ignition cap. I don't know which model it was but would like the chance to rebuild it. Any idea what rifles they might have used it on?
Looking to buy one for PA flintlock season how far were you shooting that?
I found 2f was better in 50 caliber. Inuse 3f in my 45 cal Missouri river maple hawken. My 50 cal is a thompson hawken 1:48 barrel. My pedersoli is a 1:47 twist. Both excellent shooters
Good
what would be better choice Hawken Mountain or Kentucky? Both in .45 caliber... I'm thinking about recreational shooting on range (distance max 100m).
What would you recommend and why?
" The patched round ball is excellent for target shooting, but for hunting you need something that can keep the energy better" Stated like a PRB is inadequate for hunting ------ For the entire history of the muzzle loading gun, the round ball was it- it was only for a few decades in the 19th century before metallic cartridges came about that conical bullets were used. Before that, and since then, patched round balls have and continue to kill all kinds of game very, very dead. The buck I hit with a .54 ball didn't laugh at me, he ran 20 yards and folded up gushing blood from both sides. Guess he thought it was adequate. Just in North America., from Plymouth rock to the end of the mountain man era- you had one projectile- a round ball the proper diameter for your weapon, and people hunted to live. Seems like it worked/works.
what muzzle Velocity and muzzle Energy are you getting using target loads ,?
A great video as always. What the device you used to lubricate the conical bullet? Are they commercially available? Thanks!
Hi, thanks! Yes, they are made and sold by Pedersoli. I use them both in 54 and 58 caliber. Love it for soft lubes.
Thanks!
@@capandball Which do you prefer for hunting .54 or .58?
What kind and what size of flint should be used for the Pedersoli Hawken flintlock? I often see that there are certain brands of pan and frizzle and some urge the use of certain flint. Great video by the way.
Orlando, for this lock size you need a 5/8" flint.
Haven't been able to match that shot consistancy with round balls from either my flintlock of percussion hawkin
Try pyrodex powder its mor consistant
Try starting on the low end of powder charge and work up. .50cal starting load is 50gr using patched round ball. Also try a tighter fitting patch, pillow ticking material from Wal Mart makes perfect patches. The pre made lubed patches never did work well for any of my calibers.
My .50cal's shoot really good with Pyrodex RS but not good with real BP or Triple7. My .45 does best with Goex and the .32 does best with Pyrodex P.
Can that front sight be drifted for windage? If so, you could bring those groups back to the center.
need this...
What you think would be good rifle to start with black powder weapons?.
I hope you do not mind my providing my opinion from Australia. I would suggest you might look at the calibers of historic rifles you like and choose your first BP in one of those calibers. This is because you can use the balls, bullets, patches, ramrods, starters, brushes, etc, etc that you bought for it, potentially in the future if you eventually go for something that you already admire and aspire to. I say this from experience, I bought a second hand Hawken in 50cal from limited options on a gunshop rack, I really love it and spent time, treasure, and storage space on these accessories. One historic rifle I would like to own is in either .54 or .58 cal. If I got one, I would need to obtain all that stuff in the new caliber, again over time as available, and provide storage space for it.
Hawkin or Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifles are the best to get started with you can buy them pretty cheap compared to others and they’re good fun
Hello capandball, this rifle is not it made that to shoot round bullets?
Nice gun with a good price! Can you make some tests of 1863 Sharps Civilian?
Sergey, I have it in mind. Now I have another 5 videos filmed, waiting to be edited. After that I plan to.
***** I've ordered one Civilian carbine. And i want to know what bullet is better original or modern
Sergey Leontev
The barrel is the same as on their higher priced Sharps rifles. I tried both Modern and Original bullets in .54 cal, but the Original worked better for me.
I want a Hershel House gun, they are beautiful.
Yes
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i just won a shoot with my tradsion hawken 50 cal. left handed also throw knives & HAWK WITH A 5 SHOT NOVELTY SHOOT : 9 / 3 2016
Hi, why did you say that it is not the best authentic repro? What is different than in original one?
What would you say is better? Hawken, or Scout?
I think barrels that try to do both ball and conical suck at both.
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