Hawken Rifles
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2018
- Hawken Rifles - as requested by some. The one my dad is using (opening shot) he has had since before I was born. It is a very well made, authentic in design percussion fired Ithaca/Navy Hawken Rifle in .54 caliber. See Below:
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"GRRW’s success prompted others to enter the market. Green River Forge was the first with a replica of a Northwest trade gun in 1974. Sharon Rifle Barrel Co. soon followed, first with muzzleloader barrels in 1974, then a Hawken kit in 1976. Ithaca Gun Co. decided to enter the black powder gun market, purchased Cherry Corners Mfg. Co. in 1976, and began producing the Ithaca Hawken at the beginning of 1977. Mountain Arms, later to become Ozark Mountain Arms, was next to enter the market in 1977 with a copy of a copy of one of the Hawken rifles in Art Ressel’s collection. Art Ressel had opened The Hawken Shop a few years earlier as a muzzleloader store, but it wasn’t until 1977 that he began offering parts for a Hawken rifle that were cast from originals in his collection. The Italian company, A. Uberti & Co., and Leonard Allen’s Western Arms Corp worked together to bring to market the Santa Fe Hawken rifle in 1979. Uberti’s Hawken was clearly the most successful, selling as many as 10,000 finished rifles and kits, and lasting into the early 2000’s.
The Ithaca Hawken was the first mass produced rifle called a “Hawken” that actually looked like a Hawken rifle. Ithaca used all the component parts that Cherry Corners had developed including the lock, breech & tang, triggers, guard, and butt plate. Ithaca designed their own stock that was shaped and inlet by Reinhart Fajen while the 1″ x 32″ barrels were supplied by Douglas[1].
A lot of custom Hawken rifles in the 1970’s were being built with German silver barrel key escutcheons and nose cap or poured pewter nose cap. Ithaca chose to duplicate this look with German silver for the barrel key escutcheons, but interestingly chose to use an aluminum alloy for the nose cap.
The Ithaca/Navy Arms Hawken was built entirely in the U.S. using the same tooling, dies, parts and specifications that Ithaca had used. The only difference between these early Ithaca/Navy Arms Hawken rifles and the Ithaca Hawken rifles was the barrel markings.
Sometime in the 1980’s, Navy Arms stop building the rifle in the U.S. and started importing Uberti’s Hawken rifle from Italy, but continued to market it and stamp the barrels as the Ithaca/Navy Arms Hawken rifle. They eventually dropped it from their catalog in the late 1990’s.
Navy Arms put serial numbers on their kit rifles, and I suspect Ithaca did, too. The Navy Arms/Ithaca kit barrel with SN 2564 is shown below along with the the barrels from the two Ithaca Hawken rifles, SN’s H-225 and H-254. Note that Ithaca used an “H” prefix and also stamped a “G” on the bottom flat of the barrel. Not sure what the significance of the “G” is unless it might be an inspection mark.
The truth is that the Ithaca Hawken is not an exact copy of any particular Hawken rifle. Bud Brown developed the component parts over a number of years from different Hawken rifles he had seen or photos he studied. The Ithaca Hawken is best described as a typical or generic Sam Hawken rifle of the 1850’s." - Zábava
Lots of shooting , little talking , hot coffee on a campfire …..PERFECT !
I bought a Dixie Tennessee Mountain Rifle in 1979 and a Lyman great Plains Rifle in 1981, both in .50. Thousands of RB's since then and they still shoot great. More accurate than I can see these days. Nice video. Buncha guys having a day at it.
A very good video I fell in love with the Hawken rifles when I was 10 years old, watching the movie "Jeremiah Johnson". In 1988 I bought my first Hawken from Ardesa (Traditions) in caliber 50. Now I have the Hawken Rocky Mountain of Pedersoli in caliber 54 and a Hawken Woodsman of Ardesa, also of 54. I have bought all the books in the United States about the Hawken rifles ("Thanks Amazon") and I want to write a book in Spanish about these rifles. Greetings from Spain.
Jeremiah Johnson would be proud!
Terrific movie......especially the bear in the cabin scene!!!!
Very nice! No stupid bla-bla-bla, just folks having fun. Thanks!
Hawkens was a rifle with a history on the frontier.
And it would have been good to see and hear some history about the Hawkens , we all know what the sound of a gunshot is . 👎
I picked up a well worn CVA Mountain Rifle, which is more like a Hawken then the actual marketed CVA Hawken rifle. The lock was worn out so I replaced the lock with one from L & R. It now shoots great and I redid the barrel/stock to go with it and have been very surprised for a CVA how good it really is.
Built a Hawken from a Lyman kit many years ago, love it when I am at the range and out shoo the kids with their Ar's and all sorts of optics. Then again, a .50 make big hole, so it does not take many rounds to carve out a good group.
I just ordered one I'm a lefty though hopefully I can safely shoot a right-handed percussion with a good pair of sunglasses for eye protection
been to that river range. sure is fun there, and seeing the local club back at it again.
Thanks guys. Love my Hawken!
I built my own a few years ago. I wanted something different. It has a .54 Green Mt. barrel and a Siler Flintlock. Early on, some Mountain Men didn't trust percussion caps. I also made it full stock. I made the hardware (buttplate, sideplate, thimbles, trigger guard and nosecap), from steel. Good shooter.
those Green Mountain barrels are great I have a Long Range Hunter .50 Cal. Barrel on a old T/C Hawken and it is deadly ,I took a Big doe at 280 yards with it shooting open sights off hand ,double lung hit.I gave that rifle to my son
@@stevendeatley4878 wow, that's great. One thing I like is that they drill the bore before they cut the flats, so the bore is dead center. Hope your son has as good fortune as you.
@@OldJoe212 Thank you,he has taken a few deer with it ,when I went to our local rifle range with it just before hunting season.the range was packed with hunters useing inline rifles with scopes and I was the Butt end of all the jokes being the old weirdo with a side hammer,lol after shooting my 1st 50 yard shot dead center thru a quarter size hole ,I put the next shot thru the same hole then I started putting all my bullets in a walnut sized bullseye at the 100 yard line ,and I asked the one guy who had been talking the most trash why he was using a rest for his scoped inline.lol because i was shooting off handthe whole time one guy hollered and asked why diddn't I put a scope on that rifle and some body yelled back at him and asked does it look like he needs one.lol .I had to rib them guys a little ,and when they asked why I wasn't useing the shooting rests .I told them those tables was hard to find where I hunted and too heavy to carry with me. the first deer I got with that rifle was on the last day and I had hunted all day and walked out of the mountain to a friends house who fixed me a hot cup of coffee and when he walked out with me he peeked around the end of his house ,then he motioned for me to walk over and he whispered "shoot the little one'' there was a big Doe and her yearling out beside his barn .so I dropped the smaller deer in its tracks and he had a old T/c grey hawk in his hands ,but he never fired ,he just said if you can get that thing reloaded I will use it mine won't shoot that far just when I handed him the rifle the old Doe ran.
VERY enjoyable! ...could watch that for hours! Seems like a nice little rendezvous!
The opening slow motion shot is amazing! Great job!!!
Thanks for the recognition to cap and ball rifles, seems like these days flinters get all the recognition.
Both are cool. I do prefer the Flint however. The cap rifle existed for such a small time period between Flint and cartridge. Flintlocks dominated a large portion of firearm history. The Hawken is a great piece to have however.
Funny how the entire world dropped flintlocks as fast as they could for percussion guns though?
Best black powder video I have seen! Very good!
Love my Hawkins.54 cal Cabelas. My thunder stick. 90 grains triple 7 all day long . Great video .The hell with black tactical guns. Love living in the past these were the original assault rifles lol. Great video.
Love my Hawken Renegade. Always shoots straight. I've killed many deer with it. Always dependable.
Me too! Nothing beats black powder burning on the range or trail!
ive bought a few old used CVA mountain rifles and re-worked them a bit. I think other than the trigger guards and pewter nose caps their pretty close to a "Hawken" their great shooters too. CVA is what got me started in this addiction ..I mean hobby
Some really nice capotes in your vid also good Sir. Cap and ball are really nice but still a Rocklock fan at hart. You gents looked to be having a great time. Hard to find many traditional shooters here, they mostly go for those inline deals. 😕😕 Good day to you good Sir and safe shooting.
Great vids, accompanied by wonderful music.
Really enjoy my Lyman GPR, .54 caliber flintlock. Very accurate rifle. Wish I had more opportunity to shoot it.
Looks like great fun.
That is a splendid rifle fer sure!
I have a invsta arms Hawken in .50 cal love that rifle an the Hawken rifles in general.
My favorite rifles. I want a hand built one one day. No room to make one myself right now.
So cool. Sure want one. Dream rifle.
Just a feel good video to watch.
Nice video as usual. Enjoyed watching you shot your new gun the other day. keep up the great work
Thanks!
Love my Lyman 54 Cal Hawken.
Beautiful rifle!
Very interesting Thanks for the link for the information on the rifle.
Love my Hawkens!
Your videos are very well produced and a joy to watch. I just ordered a Rocky Mountain .54 from DGW and can’t wait to air it out here in the Colorado snow. Meantime I subscribed. Thank you, and please keep your videos coming.
Appreciate it. Thanks. Yes, explore the other muzzleloader videos.
Had i .58 and a .54 many years ago. Took mule deer and elk with both when i lived in Colorado, and used my .54 to take hogs,whitetail deer and a few black bears in georgia and north carolina.
Past years took 1st place in a primitive rifle match with a Thompson New Englander patch & ball. A few years later took a fine Six pt buck in the Hiawatha National Forest same out of the box rifle in Yooper land. 😃😃👍🏻👍🏻🍺🍺🇺🇸🇺🇸
Makes me want to break out mine again. May take it with me to the range on Wed.
Love it awesome video
when I get one it will be a flint lock like the original guns. But a good video even with the snow.6:45PM here and `105 out side
Very cool! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
i have a W.Selb full stock percussion hawken ... Brant makes a lovely Hawken
What were you shooting patched round ball or mini ball. I have a Cabelas 54 cal and love it. I shoot the deer slayer mini ball with 90 grains triple 7, my thunder stick.Also how many grains were you guys using. Great video.
How powerful are these types of rifle? Considering they were used to take out big game, I suppose there pretty tough?
I love my Great Plains! In .54
is the Great plans as good as I have herd ?thinning of getting one it might be a flint lock if I do .
She's a straight shooter for sure.....Check out my channel,You'll find it.still haven't made a vid of me shooting it but you'll see what I did with it.I think you'll like it.
Yes they are. I have bought one in flint and percussion, they are excellent for the money.
I have one in .50 I put a Lyman Hunter barrel on it and it is deadly accurate.I ordered the barrel from Midsouth Shooters Supply,a few years ago.it has the 1 in 32 twist and works great with sabots or the T/C Maxi Ball
I love this gun
I love the style these men have. I just acquired two Hawken rifles recently (May 4th, 2019) both in shooting condition, as well as most of what I need to get started. I've got the guns, now I've just got to look the part. This video, of course, makes more rather happy to have gathered such firearms and desire to carry on the tradition.
I love new guns but there is nothing like looks of these old black powder guns and firing them. They are beautiful and can be very accurate. It's just too bad they are a pain to clean.
I can clean a muzzleloader in ten minutes. Removing copper fouling from a centerfire, much longer.
My big mistake was selling my .54 calibre Thompson Center Hawken a few yrs back. One consolation is I now have a TC Renegade, at least it's made in this country. After watching this, I wish I could get out and shoot for an afternoon, or multiple days. By the way, can conbustable paper powder charges be used to save time?
1:55 - I found a little ironic humor in that the shooter was wearing a BCM cap, and shooting a Hawken Rifle. Two very different firearms, both of which I appreciate. I'm looking forward to Friendship, Indiana.
Is liking both not allowed? Strange train of thought.
@@floppinfish As I said, "which I appreciate." My point was, those are 2 very different types of firearms. So addressing "allowed", goodness gracious YES! *I encourage it.* Thanks for your post.
Looks like fun! What state and organization is this with?
I swear, every time I go to one of these there is at least one guy who shows up in jeans!
(It’s me.... I always show up in jeans, and no, not period correct denim, the stuff that goes on sale Black Friday at Bass Pro Shops).
I just located a .54 caliber half sock "plains rifle" with a single trigger and a flat butt plate made out of plastic, modern plastic sights. Its selling for $130 in my local gunshop. I used to know a guy who could take a junker like that and turn it into a decent plains rifle. Would something like that be worth it?
I love my Hawkin CVA 50 Cal…
Were there many or any flintlock hawken rifles used historically?
Yes. Early Hawkens had a flintlock, some full stock. These were all ground up in the Rocky Mountains.
In their day, the Hawken was as fine a rifle as any in existence and highly prized. As rifles progressed from the flintlock through the Kentucky rifle design, the Hawken emerged as the one that best delivered accuracy, range and larger calibers. Of course, modern technology has greatly improved the muzzle loading rifle through inline systems. The Hawken is now a relic that - as a shooter - is still lots of fun, but it provides only marginal reliability.
I wonder if there's any companies out there that makes a 36 caliber Hawken rifle I would sure love to have one?
YES check internet, only thing is they are no longer made here, unless you build one yourself with parts acquired. In light of present, don't count on Italy to supply reports soon.
Looks fun, but to go out out in the woods with all those guys I'd want to be confident they all were safe to be around guns--no accidents.
Whoooo Buddy can smell the powder! Have 2 Hawkins in 50 cal. One is a custom in Tiger Eye Maple the other is American Black Walnut......Aho!
We have a .58 but can't seem to find the right powder load for it. Now it's just a wall hanger
I'd try ffg in it. Might like it better than 3f. Unless you've already tried that lol.
the way that you wander, is the way that you choose
I own a Austin & Halleck mountain rifle that looks quite decent.
two patched round balls , with 90 grains behind it . shocked me, at 50 yards it picked up a large mature doe , and threw her about ten feet . a track of the wolf , bridger hawken with a one inch octagon barrel . don't know the twist .
I have the 54 caliber Hawkins Cabelas Invest arms rifles I love to shoot this icon
"Ach du lieber, mein schatz"! Wunnerful video! How my ol' (80!!) heart aches to shoot my custom .58 Hawken again before I pass on (like "croak"!)! Mine was made for me by Andy Fauthuree (of Muzzle blasts Magazine) in 1968 when I was a 28 year old bachelor. MASTER craftsmanship!!! Beautiful Curly Maple stock; 32" × 1&1/8" Bill Large barrel (round ball twist); hook breech; gorgeous case hardened set triggers; gorgeous case hardened AL Osterman coil spring caplock; 2 candy striped ramrods; brass trim. Yes, it's a "HEAVYWEIGHT" (great for very heavy powder charges if you want - from "mices" to "beek" Mooses!!) & really "hangs in there"! The barrel is a very very beautiful satin finish rust brown, perfectly EVEN in tone from breech to muzzle! Never have seen another even close to its beauty! My best OFFHAND 5 shot group at 100 yards was 6&1/2" overall, with 4 of the shots in a 2&3/8" or 2&1/2" group!!! I was never a great shooter either! Had to be God's predestination for my shooting career! Paid in total $300! Wish I would have ordered a Hawken "flinter" as its mate!!! "Gesundheit" und pass da "Lutefisk" poleaze!
Like to go on a shoot like this , I have tradition 54 with a peep sight ,I used it for over twenty years shot a lot of deer with her . I know the peep isn’t traditional but ,I don’t do well with iron sights,oh and in lines shouldn’t be allowed during the muzzle load season
Not one flintlock Hawken??
whodey59 That’s what I was looking for too
The actual hawken design came after flintlocks were obsolete.
@@a1rb0rne502 Wrong! The Hawken brothers original 1823 designed rifle we know as the "Hawken rifle", was a flintlock. From 1823-1835 all production were flintlocks. In 1835, the brothers then converted the design to percussion style. But originally Hawkens were flintlocks.
@@whodey59 The first deer I ever killed in Montana was with an original Hawken full stock, that had been converted from flint.
Why no rock locks?
I do love a Flinter Hawken. None were here.
@@FolkFirearmsCollective I want one. I have a long rifle and a Brown Bess sea service carbine. .75 cal, 34" barrel and easily the most versatile weapon I own!
Is this a music video
The famous mountain man named Jeremy Johansson used one of these. He ate the livers from his victims.
I've had percussion rifles, love my Flintlock better, but I hate fake blackpowder and inline muzzle loaders!, I will not hunt with anyone that uses inlines!
good afternoon please i helped i am fa of your channel and hunting conscious but i don't have a shotgun like this i have a very dangerous handmade shotgun i will leave my email if i can answer me a hug.
When you talk to these guys. Their only response is always "huh?". Cause their ear drums are blown to shit.
Eyes and ears kids
if you want a Hawken rifle (or a Gemmer) come to St.Louis. hook up with, www.gemmermuzzleloadingclub.com/
no guys these rifles you have are not authentic hawken rifles just because there double wedge. they were not used by mountain men. they were only single wedge types, look on rock island auction, too see one, its a real hawken rifle used by mountain men.
Your front site is installed the wrong war around.
what a waste of time to watch
What a pathetic life you have, if your highlight of the day is talking shit on CZcams.