@@nctsgrassHe was alright once he started losing options to stay strong he became undone • Arthur getting sick • Hosea death • sean Lenny and Duffy dying didn’t make any of it easier but it allowed a one man to take control micah bell
0:33 is brutal. Imagine your adopted father telling you that This version hits just as hard as if not harder than the other version where Dutch calls Arthur out too
@@felixslayer1583 I'm hoping you never spoke to him again after that? If someone has it in themselves to tell their own blood son that then damn... No father of mine.
@DeepCurve300 it was a long time ago when my father was very strict and very stressed. Mistakes annoyed him so much. Now that we are all older and much more mature. He became much better and is proud of what I have become.
@@residentfan1521 its only a part of the situation. Dutch was always like this, except he had Hosea to keep him in line (even that was slipping). Micah, he only enabled Dutch, all the things Dutch did were his own desires. If he truly wanted to get out and go to Tahiti he would have done so earlier, but the fact his he just wanted to keep fighting a fight that didn't make any sort of sense. He wanted to be "THE MAN."
@@karthikcv8104You can kind of piece together Dutch’s mind set with those cut scenes at camp. Ultimately it seems like Dutch is living in a fantasy. He wants to believe that he and his gang are righteous and the world of evil and MUST be fought. Thats why anyone expresses concern over any of the robbing and killing they’ve done, or refers to the gang as criminals, Dutch gets angry. Because in his mind they’re the oppressed ones and they have to stay and fight. He never wanted to run. He was never concerned about anyone’s safety. This is the only way he can maintain control, by keeping everyone in a state of needing him to be the leader because he has a “plan”. Dutch has a number of things going on overall, but the well being of his camp and truly escaping to a place they could live out their days in peace was never in his “plan”. That was just a promise to string people along.
@@residentfan1521 Nah Dutch was always like that, they were never going to tahiti no matter how much money they made, he loved that kind of life too much, that was fine when everything was going smoothly for them, but when it became clear that the old West was dying and there was no place for them in the new world that replaced it, he was in denial, and became more angry and more violent, constantly trying to justify his crimes against innocent people until his victims became those that he claimed he cared about.
Dutch was so convinced that John was the rat, he was like 99% sure. He also suspected that Arthur was also kind of a rat because he was so close to John.
If this was a mafia family he would need to 100% be sure of John being a rat. Otherwise he would lose respect from people under him like Arthur, Charles and Sadie. He should’ve broken him out even if he was 99% sure just to keep everyone loyal to him.
micah was slowly getting to him and putting thoughts into his mind and he some reason lost by listening to a guy who only been with them for few months while others been with him for years@@JohnnyAndersen.
@@BalkanGames Yeah. These are scenes that can only be appreciated by people who have common patience and appreciation. And I think this is how passionate developers rewards those players. Something gaming streamers would never get.
I always annoyed by those ones that pay more attention to chat then the game can tell they are see them looking off to side monitor that has the chat and they be staring at it for so long wait till a donation message pops up to thank them for donating then miss some key parts in the game for the story@@angeloalvarez5520
I reckon it was also fear, he could've thought they were rats but I'm pretty sure the thought of the two most capable and borderline godly gunslingers turning against him made him terrified of betrayal more
@@easyevil5943 I mean yeah, if Arthur didn't have TB he could probably wipe out the camp on his own. When his leash on his strongest dog was getting loose, he started to panic.
The F*CKED up transition from heated argument to "welp see you" is the biggest flaw of this entire game. If Dutch didn't trust me I wouldn't keep feeding his flock. John and Arthur can both fend for themselves without the camp.
It's not the only flaw, the Blackwater money is another one. By midway through chapter 4 it slowly becomes a flaw. They are desperate for money the Blackwater heist they hid the money but they also completed the heist. The pinkertons are on their trail, yet they send a huge smoke signal saying here we are by the time they decide to rob the Bank in Saint Dennis. If they went to Blackwater to collect the money from the ferry job they have the money they need but if they do that Red Dead Redemption won't happen. It's also used as a tool to get John money he needs for the epilogue. My opinion keep the ferry job but write the story where they didn't manage to be able to get the money from the ferry job.
Arthur doesn't usually say this in Chapter 6. Maybe the uploader used some mods but in vanilla game Arthur sounds way more depressed and says "guess i should get back to it." The happy "okay i'll catch you later then" is pretty much never said again as soon as you find out about the TB.
@josephkawak362 It gets better Blackwater is to dangerous but picking a fight with the army isn't. Originally they were going to get on the train in Saint Dennis. While sneaking into Blackwater only having to dig up a grave was to dangerous.
A lot of people debate over Dutch’s actions, so here’s my theory: Dutch used to be the man that the gang thinks he is. But one of the main themes of the game is “civilization” encroaching on the free Wild West that the gang used to run and roam. Over time, the law and the Pinkertons became more and more of a force against the gang, and Blackwater was the climax of this and the closest they had ever come to being caught. That’s when Dutch started to unravel; he started to feel like a cornered animal and started to truly fear a future noose around his neck. He grew attached to Micah because Micah’s a yes man; Micah would just tell Dutch what he wanted to hear and that’s what Dutch thought he needed during those stressful times. Dutch’s hubris is his pride, but I think the catalyst for his villain arc is being suffocated by the encroaching law.
Well yeah he’s a 1899 Jim Jones. He thrives off of the loyalty of the people who follow him, money and power. He likely never was what he claimed to be. His ego just became more prominent because after the Blackwater massacre his mask fell off. The game hides a lot of details to prove that he was running a shtick the whole time even before Blackwater happened.
@@ThatsThing1 a lot of people would dispute that though; like you’ll hear people talk about how Dutch hit his head and that’s why he turned. Or that he was a horrible person the whole time and just hiding it.
@@JITCompilation he was always a manipulative cult leader. It just took being chased for that long, and having every attempt of them making a go of it blowing up in their faces, to make him so ragged and hateful. He was manipulative all the way back in his speech at Colter in the prologue. He wanted to keep living the lie that they were still relevant as outlaws in a rapidly modernizing West. John and Arthur could see the writing on the walls that their time as a gang was up, and Dutch hated them for it. They "gave up" as far as he's concerned.
Apparently, it only happens this way if you are far away from the conversation but I think this person (based on the reply to a comment above) used a mod to have people ignore him. God bless you.
@@Zee_Kay_Jay Yeah, in my playthrough I missed a lot of the dialogue but truth be told I didn't spend that much time in camp for the most part. Thank you.
Sad part is that no one ratted about the bank job. Dutch underestimated the Pinkertons when they heard about the Braithwaite fire, Angelo being kidnapped and the trolley incident.
@@sladeslane1983Micah was ratting after guarma. Molly never ratted, she just wanted to make Dutch mad. The truth is what arthur said in the Cornwall mission. The Van Der Linden gang was too sloppy and too obvious.
"I reckon that's just Micah getting in his head." Oh, Arthur. Even I wish that was true. But we all must face reality. We must face the fact that, with or without Micah, Dutch was always unhinged ever since the Blackwater Massacre. Micah just helped Dutch awaken his true self after killing Heidi McCourt. We can deny it all we want. But Dutch was always about himself even before he and Micah went crazy in Blackwater. No matter what, Dutch would rather see his own family suffer and die than swallow his pride. And, with or without Micah, the Van der Linde Gang were slowly becoming the new Colm O'Driscoll Gang. Dutch's hubris is not that different from the ego of Walter White from Breaking Bad.
Nah it's just when hosea was dead there was nothing to make him face reality, micah just told dutch what he wanted to hear and eventually dutch become the new colm in the end.
In the end, Dutch is one of those people that we hate in the real world: killers, thieves, degenerates and narcissit people with no regrets. I quiestion myself if people show more about themselfs in the desperate situations, or when they are with the people they love the most?
"How did the Pinkertons know about the bank job in Saint Denis, John?" Ummm... because we killed Bronte, which in turn attracted the police, who then contacted the Pinkertons? And it's not like we traveled far after they found the first Lemoyne camp. Should've fled the state entirely.
Hold up, this is the variation of the conversation that plays only when Arthur is far away. How did you manage to get this recording? Normally if you are near them, Dutch will call you out too instead of saying that he planned to leave John. Maybe a glitch hahai
Could actually be using a cheat table. His game is clearly modded if you look at John. Big ang beefcake. But chances are he turned on a setting in that mod table that has everyone ignore him. That's an actual thing.
@@demonkingzeldris8835definetely using some sort of cheat or mod that alters camp encounters and dialogue because arthur talks like its still chapter 2-4. Like he says "Okay, I'll catch you later then!" with a happy tone but in chapter 6 he goes "ok... I guess I'll see you later, then..." with a sadder tone.
Could be because Arthur and John started questioning him the most, or doubting as Dutch saw it Micah however always sucked up to Dutch and was his yes man
Problem with that is Micah was the only one who did not disobey Dutch.the only reason Dutch didn't trust Arthur and John was because they were disobeying Dutch. 1.Dutch thought John was a traitor since he was the only one captured alive during Saint Denis bank while Hosea and Lenny died on spot.Dutch plan was to prove if John was a traitor or not by waiting to see if John was going to be hanged or not.Arthur went against Dutch and rescued John which only raised even more suspicion about John being a traitor. In the end,Dutch was not a good man but you can't say he was an egoistic leader since he wanted the whole gang to escape and if we are real,the tahiti plan would never work even if they got there because they are a gang of killers who can't do anything else than robbing people. It is childish just to blame Dutch or Micah when Arthur in chapter 6 is a clear traitor to the gang.
@@gamestriker4538 Dutch was an egotist from the very start. He didn't care who followed him, he only cared about who blindly obeyed him without questioning his leadership. It's fair to blame Dutch and Micah because even if they weren't "traitors" to the gang, they actively dug them deeper into the grave by making them fight for a cause that was already lost. That and the fact Micah has been ratting them to the Pinkertons since they left Guarma. It's childish to call Arthur a traitor because almost everything he did was out of loyalty for the gang and he wanted to make sure as much members made it out alive. He betrayed Dutch, but he was loyal to the gang till the end.
People don't change they just show who they truly are and I know beaver hollow was the gang's low point I think Dutch acted like a Messiah so people would die for him and the only person who saw through this was uncle
Micah Bell, the Machiavellian, most definitely had Dutch's ear and got into his head. Micah was an outlaw for life, while Dutch was pretending to be leading his gang out West in order to establish a settlement beyond the long arm of the law, Dutch ended up leading them around like he's the pied piper taking them places like a swamp, a cave on the wrong side of the hills with the step being off a cliff to their deaths just like how the Chelonian Master led his followers before his own suicide. Dutch charmed and exploited everybody like how he did Arthur. But Micah exploited Dutch and everything else under the sun. Micah was a truly toxic cutthroat- that's why the last mission is called American Venom, and you'll always see a random rat run out of the shed before the final face-off. Dutch was just as much as a rat as Micah, and just as much of a snake. Dutch was a charmer, but Micah was the snake charmer.
He says he was trying to get John killed and very clearly left them to die multiple times, but they still followed his plan for some reason. It really shows the amount of trust they had in him.
I love how Dutch is so sure that the Pinkertons would only know about the bank job because of a rat even though they were known to be camped out just a short way away from Saint Denis and there had been 2 massive shootouts in the city, like of course the Pinkertons would have eyes on the incredibly valuable bank right there.
The hopelessness of the last camp is PALPABLE. That everyone can hear the man they've been so devoted to just straight up losing it like this is so sad.
I swearrrr how was Micah able to swindle this man so much? He is either incredibly mentally unwell(my theory) or he’s freaking HEAD OVER HEELS FOR MICAH LOL(also my theory LOL)
See, I'm someone who played RDR2 and didn't know about the story of RDR1, so when I heard of Dutch's perspective I thought about it and actually did come to think that John and Abigail might've back stabbed him. I wasn't 100% sure, but it did make kinda sense to me in that moment. What really was convincing is how Abigail wasn't caught and how they opened fire on all and John, they chose to arrest.
Seeing dutch go from blackwater to RDR1 and everything inbetween broke me. Dutch absolutely eent off the rails, I dont even know if I fully believe it was 100% Micah. No normal man can go that insane no matter who tells him to.
I imagine Joe just uncomfortably standing in Johns face while he has a serious conversation with Dutch and Arthur is how most NPCs feel when we do the same as Arthur
ARTHUR: "It's MICAH! HE'S GONNA KILL US ALL, YOU IDIOT!".
Also Arthur: "Okay, I'll catch you later then!".
I wonder if there’s a mod that removes that line from the game lol
@@derpeth2101 Unusual, but why not? Hahaha!
@@derpeth2101 Why? A little jollyness in the darkness never hurts. 😆
Fr as amazing as this game is they def could’ve done better there
@@Nunya111you have no soul if you actually think that’s an issue with the game
Okay, i'll catch you later then
Never gets old! 😂
The most iconic line ever said
Alright well i should be getting on
He’s so chill about it
That was a jarringly deescalated end to the conversation, I must say 😂
Micah will be hanged
Dutch 😢😭😭
John will be hanged
Dutch: 😂😂🤪😃
Tbh, Dutch was a good leader then
@@QAHS2008yea was
@@QAHS2008 no he wasn't. He just was better at acting as a leader then
Hits right in thebfeels
@@nctsgrassHe was alright once he started losing options to stay strong he became undone
• Arthur getting sick
• Hosea death
• sean Lenny and Duffy dying didn’t make any of it easier but it allowed a one man to take control micah bell
Arthur dies in front of Dutch
" Ok I'll catch you later then"
“Alright, Arthur.”
0:33 is brutal. Imagine your adopted father telling you that
This version hits just as hard as if not harder than the other version where Dutch calls Arthur out too
Dutch is not John’s adoptive father
Adopted father?
My father literally said, "I wish i slept on the couch that night."
@@felixslayer1583 I'm hoping you never spoke to him again after that? If someone has it in themselves to tell their own blood son that then damn... No father of mine.
@DeepCurve300 it was a long time ago when my father was very strict and very stressed. Mistakes annoyed him so much. Now that we are all older and much more mature. He became much better and is proud of what I have become.
@@wayol4843he is
"We had a good thing, but no! You just had to blow it up. You, and your pride, and your ego. You just had to be the man!"
kid named finger:
truly accurate to the situation 😂
@@residentfan1521 its only a part of the situation. Dutch was always like this, except he had Hosea to keep him in line (even that was slipping). Micah, he only enabled Dutch, all the things Dutch did were his own desires. If he truly wanted to get out and go to Tahiti he would have done so earlier, but the fact his he just wanted to keep fighting a fight that didn't make any sort of sense. He wanted to be "THE MAN."
@@karthikcv8104You can kind of piece together Dutch’s mind set with those cut scenes at camp. Ultimately it seems like Dutch is living in a fantasy. He wants to believe that he and his gang are righteous and the world of evil and MUST be fought. Thats why anyone expresses concern over any of the robbing and killing they’ve done, or refers to the gang as criminals, Dutch gets angry. Because in his mind they’re the oppressed ones and they have to stay and fight. He never wanted to run. He was never concerned about anyone’s safety. This is the only way he can maintain control, by keeping everyone in a state of needing him to be the leader because he has a “plan”. Dutch has a number of things going on overall, but the well being of his camp and truly escaping to a place they could live out their days in peace was never in his “plan”. That was just a promise to string people along.
@@residentfan1521 Nah Dutch was always like that, they were never going to tahiti no matter how much money they made, he loved that kind of life too much, that was fine when everything was going smoothly for them, but when it became clear that the old West was dying and there was no place for them in the new world that replaced it, he was in denial, and became more angry and more violent, constantly trying to justify his crimes against innocent people until his victims became those that he claimed he cared about.
Dutch was so convinced that John was the rat, he was like 99% sure. He also suspected that Arthur was also kind of a rat because he was so close to John.
Dutch is crazy, he is so proud and blind that he didn't notice how Micah was to the people, I don't blame John disliking Dutch in the epilogue
If this was a mafia family he would need to 100% be sure of John being a rat. Otherwise he would lose respect from people under him like Arthur, Charles and Sadie. He should’ve broken him out even if he was 99% sure just to keep everyone loyal to him.
micah was slowly getting to him and putting thoughts into his mind and he some reason lost by listening to a guy who only been with them for few months while others been with him for years@@JohnnyAndersen.
@@Awesomewolfpic that's right, Micah achieved manipulating Dutch and make him believe that John and Arthur are traitors.
It was definitely Abigail
Man I forget how much narrative is packed in this game even when there’s no cutscenes playing, truly a masterpiece
True. It's almost a shame that a lot of it can be and is missed by most players.
@@BalkanGames Yeah. These are scenes that can only be appreciated by people who have common patience and appreciation. And I think this is how passionate developers rewards those players. Something gaming streamers would never get.
@@nz605yeah good point about streamers, they can be very rushes and pay more attention to the chat than the game
I always annoyed by those ones that pay more attention to chat then the game can tell they are see them looking off to side monitor that has the chat and they be staring at it for so long wait till a donation message pops up to thank them for donating then miss some key parts in the game for the story@@angeloalvarez5520
This is a mod look at his other video he has mine craft characters in rdr2 but still is a pretty good mod at that
00:46 *John looks up in horror as Arthur's tuberculosis treatment has made him 7 feet tall overnight*
It looks like he's standing on the table and this clearly modded😂 but still good
This isnt modded. Thats Joe. Michas guy. @@MrTruehoustonian
I'm dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@spoons250it is, look at John's hat
“He’s fully undone.” Arthur said while standing on a table
Probably wearing an alligator skin for a coat and shoes made out of wolf teeth
Love how joe is so chill next to them 💀
Joe Chill
@@Iakovos.Pouli2019oh we see what u did there 😂😂
@@Iakovos.Pouli2019the man responsible for the Bat…
Joe mama
even he is flabbergasted
They really should’ve recorded some different “farewell” lines for different moods lol, that really does impact that emotions quite a bit.
But they have. Fellas respond differently, depends on their mood.
@@Jizzymc true, ig they just didn’t quite put the right one in for every discussion lol
They did, something's totally off in this video.
they already have this, which is why Rockstar legends
They did, they're using a mod that alters some things. Just look at how beefy john is.
Trust the two you consider sons and have been loyal to you for years: ❌
Trust some guy you met a couple months ago in a bar: ✅
I reckon it was also fear, he could've thought they were rats but I'm pretty sure the thought of the two most capable and borderline godly gunslingers turning against him made him terrified of betrayal more
@@easyevil5943 I mean yeah, if Arthur didn't have TB he could probably wipe out the camp on his own. When his leash on his strongest dog was getting loose, he started to panic.
The fact that Dutch literally yelled this out in the center of camp, where everyone can hear him.
The F*CKED up transition from heated argument to "welp see you" is the biggest flaw of this entire game. If Dutch didn't trust me I wouldn't keep feeding his flock. John and Arthur can both fend for themselves without the camp.
Don't press greet then
It's not the only flaw, the Blackwater money is another one. By midway through chapter 4 it slowly becomes a flaw. They are desperate for money the Blackwater heist they hid the money but they also completed the heist. The pinkertons are on their trail, yet they send a huge smoke signal saying here we are by the time they decide to rob the Bank in Saint Dennis. If they went to Blackwater to collect the money from the ferry job they have the money they need but if they do that Red Dead Redemption won't happen. It's also used as a tool to get John money he needs for the epilogue. My opinion keep the ferry job but write the story where they didn't manage to be able to get the money from the ferry job.
Arthur doesn't usually say this in Chapter 6. Maybe the uploader used some mods but in vanilla game Arthur sounds way more depressed and says "guess i should get back to it."
The happy "okay i'll catch you later then" is pretty much never said again as soon as you find out about the TB.
@@maulressurected4405true i also noticed this plot hole and I thought it would get resolved in the game but nothing happened
@josephkawak362 It gets better Blackwater is to dangerous but picking a fight with the army isn't. Originally they were going to get on the train in Saint Dennis. While sneaking into Blackwater only having to dig up a grave was to dangerous.
“Okay I’ll catch you later then 😃”
A lot of people debate over Dutch’s actions, so here’s my theory: Dutch used to be the man that the gang thinks he is. But one of the main themes of the game is “civilization” encroaching on the free Wild West that the gang used to run and roam. Over time, the law and the Pinkertons became more and more of a force against the gang, and Blackwater was the climax of this and the closest they had ever come to being caught. That’s when Dutch started to unravel; he started to feel like a cornered animal and started to truly fear a future noose around his neck. He grew attached to Micah because Micah’s a yes man; Micah would just tell Dutch what he wanted to hear and that’s what Dutch thought he needed during those stressful times. Dutch’s hubris is his pride, but I think the catalyst for his villain arc is being suffocated by the encroaching law.
Well yeah he’s a 1899 Jim Jones. He thrives off of the loyalty of the people who follow him, money and power. He likely never was what he claimed to be. His ego just became more prominent because after the Blackwater massacre his mask fell off. The game hides a lot of details to prove that he was running a shtick the whole time even before Blackwater happened.
It's a good theory.
That's just the story of RDR2. that's not a theory, that's what happened.
@@ThatsThing1 a lot of people would dispute that though; like you’ll hear people talk about how Dutch hit his head and that’s why he turned. Or that he was a horrible person the whole time and just hiding it.
@@JITCompilation he was always a manipulative cult leader. It just took being chased for that long, and having every attempt of them making a go of it blowing up in their faces, to make him so ragged and hateful. He was manipulative all the way back in his speech at Colter in the prologue. He wanted to keep living the lie that they were still relevant as outlaws in a rapidly modernizing West. John and Arthur could see the writing on the walls that their time as a gang was up, and Dutch hated them for it. They "gave up" as far as he's concerned.
damn never heard that one before it always cuts to him scolding arthur too
Apparently, it only happens this way if you are far away from the conversation but I think this person (based on the reply to a comment above) used a mod to have people ignore him.
God bless you.
You need to be far away from the conversation
@FeedingFrenzy91 yeah i always tried to be far away to trigger other dialogue but it never happened lol God bless you too thanks
@@backlandjbreaker24yeah i always tried to be far away to trigger other dialogue but it never happened lol
@@Zee_Kay_Jay Yeah, in my playthrough I missed a lot of the dialogue but truth be told I didn't spend that much time in camp for the most part.
Thank you.
Sad part is that no one ratted about the bank job. Dutch underestimated the Pinkertons when they heard about the Braithwaite fire, Angelo being kidnapped and the trolley incident.
yea
They never should have done the job after the trolley response they had cops on them so fast and yet they thought they can do this one
Clearly you didn't play the game cause you will know it have to be rat who told the Pinkertons
@@sladeslane1983 lol you are a clown.
@@sladeslane1983Micah was ratting after guarma. Molly never ratted, she just wanted to make Dutch mad.
The truth is what arthur said in the Cornwall mission. The Van Der Linden gang was too sloppy and too obvious.
lol I love how John and Dutch don't even bother to respond to Arthur ending the conversation. They're both like, "Dude, seriously?"
"This is Micah's doing"
"Okay I'll catch you later then"
"I reckon that's just Micah getting in his head."
Oh, Arthur. Even I wish that was true. But we all must face reality. We must face the fact that, with or without Micah, Dutch was always unhinged ever since the Blackwater Massacre. Micah just helped Dutch awaken his true self after killing Heidi McCourt. We can deny it all we want. But Dutch was always about himself even before he and Micah went crazy in Blackwater. No matter what, Dutch would rather see his own family suffer and die than swallow his pride. And, with or without Micah, the Van der Linde Gang were slowly becoming the new Colm O'Driscoll Gang. Dutch's hubris is not that different from the ego of Walter White from Breaking Bad.
Micah was the one who pushed the blackwater massacre, though.
Nah it's just when hosea was dead there was nothing to make him face reality, micah just told dutch what he wanted to hear and eventually dutch become the new colm in the end.
In the end, Dutch is one of those people that we hate in the real world: killers, thieves, degenerates and narcissit people with no regrets. I quiestion myself if people show more about themselfs in the desperate situations, or when they are with the people they love the most?
WW is worse than Micah and Dutch combined
Dutch made a lot of horrendous decisions on his own, but it was definitely Micah which made him turn against his friends and family.
I think John might be the only member to raised his voice at Dutch
Arthur and maybe Uncle too
Hosea as well
@@dramallama5088definitely Hosea.
Hosea:👁👄👁 arthur:👁👄👁 molly:👁👄👁
You forgot Molly
Is it just me, or does John look buff asf 💀
Idk but it would make sense.
Yes he looks. Maybe thank to a mod ( as his hat, gunbelt... are modded, not the ones he had at this time)
Yes because that’s npc John’s head on John’s epilogue model (Arthur’s body)
@@nightmarepegasus4141it’s npc John’s head on epilogue John’s model which is basically Arthur’s model
@@BeatleHarrison ok, tks
The last few chapters I always stay away from camp, starts feeling less like a safe haven and more like a viper's nest
Joe is like: "Not my problem"
Joe: 👁👄👁
And meanwhile Joe watching the gossip.
0:41 jack: alright I guess
"How did the Pinkertons know about the bank job in Saint Denis, John?"
Ummm... because we killed Bronte, which in turn attracted the police, who then contacted the Pinkertons? And it's not like we traveled far after they found the first Lemoyne camp. Should've fled the state entirely.
Dutch: I told them to let you rot in jail!
Also Dutch: John how could you betray me?
Dutch’s voice actor is phenomenal in this scene
And the antagonize option is greyed out, because Arthur knows better than to add fuel to the fire
After an intense conversation with Dutch Arthur says a casual "Ok, I'll catch ya later then" and I love it lmao🤣
Hold up, this is the variation of the conversation that plays only when Arthur is far away. How did you manage to get this recording? Normally if you are near them, Dutch will call you out too instead of saying that he planned to leave John. Maybe a glitch hahai
Could actually be using a cheat table. His game is clearly modded if you look at John. Big ang beefcake. But chances are he turned on a setting in that mod table that has everyone ignore him. That's an actual thing.
Goddamn SNAKES!!!
@@demonkingzeldris8835 ah I see, thanks
@@demonkingzeldris8835definetely using some sort of cheat or mod that alters camp encounters and dialogue because arthur talks like its still chapter 2-4. Like he says "Okay, I'll catch you later then!" with a happy tone but in chapter 6 he goes "ok... I guess I'll see you later, then..." with a sadder tone.
Yes for sure on his other videos he got mine craft characters running around in rdr2
Crazy how Dutch just assumes two of the oldest gang members left are the possible rats, meanwhile he trusts Micah, who is the one who joined last.
Yes, Dutch was indeed a fool.
Could be because Arthur and John started questioning him the most, or doubting as Dutch saw it
Micah however always sucked up to Dutch and was his yes man
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301 basically. It certainly didn't help that Micah was taking advantage of the situation and manipulating Dutch.
Problem with that is Micah was the only one who did not disobey Dutch.the only reason Dutch didn't trust Arthur and John was because they were disobeying Dutch.
1.Dutch thought John was a traitor since he was the only one captured alive during Saint Denis bank while Hosea and Lenny died on spot.Dutch plan was to prove if John was a traitor or not by waiting to see if John was going to be hanged or not.Arthur went against Dutch and rescued John which only raised even more suspicion about John being a traitor.
In the end,Dutch was not a good man but you can't say he was an egoistic leader since he wanted the whole gang to escape and if we are real,the tahiti plan would never work even if they got there because they are a gang of killers who can't do anything else than robbing people.
It is childish just to blame Dutch or Micah when Arthur in chapter 6 is a clear traitor to the gang.
@@gamestriker4538 Dutch was an egotist from the very start. He didn't care who followed him, he only cared about who blindly obeyed him without questioning his leadership.
It's fair to blame Dutch and Micah because even if they weren't "traitors" to the gang, they actively dug them deeper into the grave by making them fight for a cause that was already lost. That and the fact Micah has been ratting them to the Pinkertons since they left Guarma. It's childish to call Arthur a traitor because almost everything he did was out of loyalty for the gang and he wanted to make sure as much members made it out alive. He betrayed Dutch, but he was loyal to the gang till the end.
man, his own son… it’s heart breaking to see what Dutch became.
Dutch going full King Lear.
Skip to 0:32 to see the newspaper prop change. The rifle ad vanishes and is replaced by an article.
Joe: I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still... That I have become invisible to the eye...
I love how Joe is just randomly standing there behind John.
Probably on stand by to keep any fight from breaking out.
I KNOW IT 😡
Okay ill catch you later then 🤠🤠
0:33 I'm surprised John didn't leave with his family immediately after Dutch said this to him.
And still there are people that are like "bu-but Dutch was good before 🥵 👉🏼👈🏼"
Dutch was always a jerk and a wanna be king
And you're like "bu bu but Im so intelligent and everyone else is a bi bi big idiot"😂😂😂
@@joedwyer3297 gonna cry lil blud?
@@eru.maewos7673 great comeback🤣
Yeah
People don't change they just show who they truly are and I know beaver hollow was the gang's low point I think Dutch acted like a Messiah so people would die for him and the only person who saw through this was uncle
I hope this video will get views it deserves, it explains a lot and this camp conversation is really important for game's story in general.
Crazy how John and Arthur are Dutch’s adopted sons yet he still sides with Micah simply because he tells him what he wants to hear
"DUTCH, YOU DON'T UNDERST- okaay, catch you latah then."
"Okay I'll catch you later then (tally-hoo!)"
“You are losing it Dutch” Arthur is so real for that
“It’s *Micah!* Okay, catch you later then.” Best non sequitur in gaming.
Dutch: How you two fooled me, all these years!
Arthur: This is Micah's doing, i know it!
Also Arthur: Okay, I'll catch you later then...🤠
There's so many conversations I missed. Awesome 👌🏾
Dutch : boy I wonder why John and Arthur aren’t blindly loyal to me and question some of my plans
Joe standing there like 🚬👁️👄👁️
Micah Bell, the Machiavellian, most definitely had Dutch's ear and got into his head. Micah was an outlaw for life, while Dutch was pretending to be leading his gang out West in order to establish a settlement beyond the long arm of the law, Dutch ended up leading them around like he's the pied piper taking them places like a swamp, a cave on the wrong side of the hills with the step being off a cliff to their deaths just like how the Chelonian Master led his followers before his own suicide. Dutch charmed and exploited everybody like how he did Arthur. But Micah exploited Dutch and everything else under the sun. Micah was a truly toxic cutthroat- that's why the last mission is called American Venom, and you'll always see a random rat run out of the shed before the final face-off. Dutch was just as much as a rat as Micah, and just as much of a snake. Dutch was a charmer, but Micah was the snake charmer.
I never heard this version i always heard that where dutch says "OH AND HERES THE OTHER ONE I RAISED YOU AS SONS? GODDAMN SNAKES!" instead
This....This is so sad
I love how Arthur follows Dutch just to tell him off.
I’ve never seen this. This actually breaks my heart.
Good ol TBI from that trolly messed Dutch up.
He says he was trying to get John killed and very clearly left them to die multiple times, but they still followed his plan for some reason. It really shows the amount of trust they had in him.
“OK I’ll catch you later then” 😂 every time 😅
Arthur always leaves even the most stark confrontations on a positive note.
"This is Micahs doing, I know it!!! 😠😠😠😠"
"Ok I'll catch you later then 😊😊😊😊"
“Welp, I’ll leave ya to it”
12 years later, it was actually Dutch who went totally insane
arguably benjamin byron davis’ best dialogue as dutch in the whole game is a missable interaction in camp, this game is unreal lol
Arthur favorite line Arthur: ok I’ll catch you later, then
1:08 hardcore projection
Never in my life I've heard dutch yell holy shit
GET DOWN HERE NOW
Hold on why is john so swole💀💀💀
I love how Dutch is so sure that the Pinkertons would only know about the bank job because of a rat even though they were known to be camped out just a short way away from Saint Denis and there had been 2 massive shootouts in the city, like of course the Pinkertons would have eyes on the incredibly valuable bank right there.
I've been playing this game over & over again since it launched, yet I've never seen this before.
How can someone so strong minded be so weak minded at the same time😂
The hopelessness of the last camp is PALPABLE. That everyone can hear the man they've been so devoted to just straight up losing it like this is so sad.
'you have a nice evening'
*raise honor sound*
I swearrrr how was Micah able to swindle this man so much? He is either incredibly mentally unwell(my theory) or he’s freaking HEAD OVER HEELS FOR MICAH LOL(also my theory LOL)
Micah was a yes man.
Arthur started doubting Dutch (rightly so) and Arthur got sick so Dutch probably looked at him as damaged goods.
See, I'm someone who played RDR2 and didn't know about the story of RDR1, so when I heard of Dutch's perspective I thought about it and actually did come to think that John and Abigail might've back stabbed him. I wasn't 100% sure, but it did make kinda sense to me in that moment. What really was convincing is how Abigail wasn't caught and how they opened fire on all and John, they chose to arrest.
Okay I’ll catch you later then
Totally ruined the realism🤣
I love arthurs like ''THIS IS MICAHS DOING I KNOW IT'' then ''ok ill catch you later then'' lol
Dutch emerging from darkness is perfect set design for Beaver Hollow
Just the casual "catch you later then" after such a serious talking to xD
He truly believed John was the rat when Micah who the gang doesnt even like is right there
Joe just casually standing there.
Arthur: {Intensity that you could cut with a knife} *This was Micah's doin,' I KNOW IT!*
Arthur: {2 seconds later} Okay, I'll catch you later then.
“Anyway, I’ll leave you to it”
the way john sits down is too funny
Amazing how at no point did they take Micah out in the middle of the night and claim a bear got him.
That hurts.
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Seeing dutch go from blackwater to RDR1 and everything inbetween broke me. Dutch absolutely eent off the rails, I dont even know if I fully believe it was 100% Micah. No normal man can go that insane no matter who tells him to.
"Ok he called me a traitor. Guess I'll sleep next to him"
Ok I’ll catch u later then gets me every time 😂
I imagine Joe just uncomfortably standing in Johns face while he has a serious conversation with Dutch and Arthur is how most NPCs feel when we do the same as Arthur
Joe just calmly stands there and watches
"We allowed ourselves to get a step behind in Blackwater. That won't happen again."
We have the feeling micha have a play on this
I really wish that John gradually got his iconic outfit. Like with each passing chapter he gets closer to completing it.
“YOU DON’T HAVE THE GRIT” had me bust out in a laugh attack for some reason
I read this as "banged" and got confused
We’re you standing on the table talking to John? 😂😂