Training Guide was a MISTAKE… (but overall it’s kind of good I guess)
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Seems like everyone has a very polarized view in the comments. I really think it’s a mixed bag, but overall good for new players. It's a crime that it basically never recommends Fav lol Also apparently I was wrong about crimson being worse than guilded dreams. I’ll have to look into that more~
bro where do I find the training guide?
@@zenn_5251 it’s a new tab in the Paimon menu.
@@zenn_5251 paimons menu, when u press escape
@@zenn_5251 On the Paimon menu.
@@zenn_5251in the paimon menu
This thing just keeps roasting my build. 😀
Where can we see the training guide ?
In game or hoyolab app?
@@mdadil9683 in game, open the paimon menu and its one of the options there
@@mdadil9683in game. It’s an icon in the Paimon menu
@@mdadil9683 It‘s a new tab in the menu in Genshin. (Where you also find the shop and achievements and stuff)
@@mdadil9683 its in ur esc tab
If hoyo did a community vote for this, I wonder how many people would vote for implementation
I'm sure a lot. There are so many more casual (people that don't use reddit or youtube to help them build their account) players of this game than people seem to fathom.
That would be a pretty radical move for Hoyo. I mean, actually using player feedback to improve Genshin instead of one of their other games would be something new.
any of the players that needed it, would probably be too new into the game to care. the players who don't need it would probably be the ones that know enough about genshin to contribute to the vote. So it probably wouldn't give mhyo the answer they need even if they asked
Depends, in theory I like the idea of the system, BUT as it currently exists I don't think it would get more than 10% approval. Just spend 30 seconds on google and you can better suggestions with the necessary context. tldr: It's a good idea executed badly.
@@laurenblankenship128 respectfully they must be blind because this information was already in the game. If they can't find the character menu, they won't find the guide menu.
The people this is meant for just need a guiding hand to not feel overwhelmed and that's exactly what it is. More information would just add to the overwhelmed feeling and prevent them from putting their toes into the water.
Soooo, sooo many people just click through every tooltip, description and tutorial and just want someobody to tell them what to do. Whether it's perfect or trash doesn't matter - it's there to give them peace of mind.
This new menu is way more cluttered than the regular character menu is, where btw all this info already existed. They only had to add weapon recommendation.
This new menu is ment for people who could not find the character menu? How are they supposed to find the new one if they couldn't find the first one.
It actually does tell you to craft a weapon even if you don't have it, given that you don't already own any other weapons the system thinks are better. You just have to be F2P enough to actually see craftables get recommended to you.
I see Whiteblind as a recommendation for Itto even though I have more than 3 5-star claymores. So it does depend on the character and what has high usage.
It recommends his signature and serpent spine which I both have. and then to craft whiteblind as the third option.
For my Kazuha it suggests Freedom-Sworn, Iron Sting (which I don't have), and Toukabou Shigure. It's nice that the icon next to Iron Sting brings up map travel to the blacksmith.
About Raiden's weapon recommendations, I think it would be a nice feature if the guide took into account the artifact set that you currently have equipped on your character. For example, if you had a 4pc pale flame set on razor you would get recommended weapons like SoBP or WGS, but if you had gilded dreams equipped, you would get recommended weapons like rain slasher or mailed flower.
I can sense someone already coming up with a meme video for “Can you beat Genshin Impact by only following the Training Guide” lmao
Sounds funny, be a very easy challenge tho.
I just realized that this new Training Guide recommend different weapons for every account (only recommend weapons you currently have and sometimes the ones that are not equipped)
which is appreciated very nice I say
Another problem is that since it's based off usage, weapons that are less common will be disproportionately not shown, even if they're better. Rare weapons will likely never be shown just because they're rarer.
I don't think so... they seem to use % of players that have it, not just volume.
So if 10 players have weapon A, and all 10 use it (100%), that will be "High Use", and if 1000 people have weapon B, but only 50 people use it (5%), then that will be "Low Use", despite 5x more players using it... at least that seems to be how their other rankings work.
congrats on completing the unit dex!
Whale dex
Gotta pull em all
I'm pretty sure the order of the weapons on the list is solely based on rarity and not a tier of which one is best which is going to not be clear for people that actually need this feature.
Yeah I believe you're right. For my Xingqiu, they have freedom sworn at the top of the list but on the side says "medium usage" with sacrficial right below at "high usage"
My Hu Tao still uses Crimson Witch, and it's gonna stay that way after all the farming I had to do to get a usable set for her. I've had her since release, and I have no other options without taking artifacts away from my other built characters.
It's very simple: it does not substitute knowledge. It recommended a piece for my Yelan wich would rise my crit. dmg by about 20% but would also plummet my er by about 40%. So you have to be able to say, "yeah that's more damage but it's way worse nevertheless". On the other hand it brought up some items I hadn't considered yet that actually improved some of my builds, when you have so many artifacts it's normal that you overlook some better choice. So I'd say it's useful but knowledge dependent.
Now, for people who have no clue nor care, it could be great.
You should try it with a new player account to check how useful it is.
May be They should add character role type. Like for Raiden, there should be two roles, Burst DPS and Hyperbloom trigger, and each roles should have separate recommendations. May be They should use the CC that have access to betas to make recommendations and implement it in the in-game guides.
Also, for weapon recommendations, there should be an option that shows the placing of weapons that You don't have yet and how to obtain Them.
That’d have sense, but remember also that this feature is for peaple who are not willing to inow how the game works, they just want pre-chewed build without even searching for a video about it
Too complicated for casuals to even choose things lol
At least I can see what I can farm on the day with it so it's not so useless
jello, I have an account with every single character and weapon in the game if you ever want to use it for things like this. long time follower of your content keep up the great work.
Report will result in a lot more misinformation if we have a lot of trolls or idiots.
Will not matter. You will needs millions and millions of trolls. But guess what there are not that many people who have that much time to waste trolling a literal nobody in a game
Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity/ignorance
😅
I think it's a good starting point for new characters, and having all the info for character and weapon upgrade mats in an easier to digest place, showing what you need for who, is a nice qol upgrade
They should've hired Theorycrafters for the Training Guide instead of completely relying on the "data".
For older players it doesn't even matter.
Definitely good for new players and players who never ever watch CZcams guides, I think at least 50% of the players(just think, no facts) fall under this and quit very early cuz not being able to kill enemies is not fun. This is definitely better for them.
Actually showing even weapons you don't have would be better but again it's also baiting people so it will never be perfect.
I think this has a really solid foundation. The UI for it was fine and easy to navigate. But not having a report button kind of defeats the purpose of crowd sourcing their in game guide. If they also added an option for say “top 3 builds” thst would solve s lot of the problems. Such as raiden being either hyper carry or EM. Or doing gany hyper carry/ ult spammer. Good video as always Jello. Keep it up
Congrats on finally getting your Mona
My condolences for the journey it took for it to finally happen
It's okay as a first pass. I'd like to see them use more of the data they have available about what teams and stats people are actually using to clear abyss. They could even use AI.
The only thing I have with it is, it keeps recommending upgrades even though they're not needed.
The most useful thing the guide did for me, it pointed out that one of my characters doesn't have fully upgraded artifacts which is a thing I completely forgot about. On the other hand it recommended me to swap artifacts on my Gorou just because I have him on Exile and it thinks all characters need to be on 5* sets.
Also it keeps recommending to upgrade talents all the way up to 10 everywhere.
Overall I think for new and casual players it's great thing. Not that useful for hardcore and minmaxers but it was never intended for them.
About craftable weapons: they actually recommend to craft them. At least, for me, this thing recommended to craft some weapons which I don’t have
Still, I don’t really like this feature. For new players it’s probably ok. At least it tells them that they need to upgrade talents of characters (I didn’t know about it for long time).
I only have three five-star weapons, so for Hu Tao, it lists, from my inventory, Dragon's Bane -> Ballad of the Fjords -> Deathmatch.
Funny thing is, Deathmatch is the top of the list for Zhongli, followed by Fav. Lance and Black Tassel.
I wonder if it favors personal dmg but doesn't take into account less personal dmg for supports in favor of what will give more dmg to dps/reactions - although that might not actually be soooo bad for new players because before AR45 you don't have enough ER to properly do reactions/burst dmg rotations anyway. At least it's something they can improve on
Training Guide doesn't care about the multiple "build types" for every character.
They did no cluster analysis on their data, neither they did weighting on it too, meaning suggestions are based on "all players"
Weapon: 3 sections, best Free weapons you can get, best weapons overall, and best weapons you have
Artifacts: put the main/substats next to the set, and add what teams it goes with if they don’t add a teams tab
Saving this so I can ctrl v into next survey
One problem that I have with this is that it keeps recommending you level your characters to 90, no matter what. For example, I keep my Jean at level 80 because I'm not using her in sunfire, and shes basically only a healbot for my Furina teams, but it keeps recommending I bring her to 90. If a new player were to see this, they might think 90 is something that's super important and end up leveling suboptimal characters there and end up wasting a bunch of resources on it.
I literally forgot this existed as soon as I got into the update. And hey I am a Jade Cutter Shinobu truther.
Interesting to note about the builds and weapons; that was one of the things I disliked when they introduced the artifact recommendation feature a while ago, since team and investment impact main stats (like some dps want an atk, EM, or hp circlet with high crit value). And then not recommending which weapon is best for each build (like electro vs atk goblet for Raiden builds).
Rather than allow for user "correction" submissions, which can vary between users, I think they should really just think about updating their own database of builds based mathematically on what players use that are both viable and better (like I'm still not over my girl Layla having 4pc blizzard in every single trial). They arguably need to also implement something about constellations, since sometimes that also changes builds (maybe no longer needing ER sands, or maybe you need/want a different weapon now). I guess it looks good overall but yeah, there's a lot of nuance and context for each character's different builds and investment level for such a basic version of this.
I can't trust a training guide from devs who can't give proper artifacts to their trial characters.
it does recommend craftables. you just have a lot of 5* weapons so the algorythm prioritizes them but that dosent matter because new players wont have those weapons and if a player has that many 5* weapons they dont need this guide
YES
Also, the weapon recommendation is based on your inventory first and then players data
early!! happy your collection is ✨complete✨
The main issue I see aside from the weapons is it recommends leveling every character to level 90 at world level 8 before switching the red mark off, when in actuality that’s such a resource drain it’s usually not a great idea with a handful of exceptions. It also recommends leveling every artifact to a 5 star level 20 and most talents to like 8 or 9, which is less egregious but can still encourage inefficient resource expenditure on the characters who don’t necessarily need high stats to function. Like a vv anemo character appreciates stats but as long as they have a set they don’t need super high stats to function in their role. It’s not too bad since these are the settings for world level 8, but it could still be a problem in some cases
They said in the livestream that Training Guide is for new travelers who just started their journey in Teyvat, and they encouraged people in the livestream to experiment themselves, so I think if that was the mind set then this Training Guide is good enough for sure until people started to realize that this is not the perfect way to build their characters
i personally like the new reference systems. For the artefacts for example i looked at my xinqiu after a year and without that system i wouldn' have realized, there is a better set than the hydro set.
It's good for casual players and players who are confused on what to do next or where to find mats from. As for artifacts or weapon choices CZcams is better
It reminded me to level up my builds (poor Xingqiu keeps getting put aside and had a level 50 sword). I'm happy that it liked my Baizhu though (Approximately 43,000 health and 180% ER with talents 6/9/7. He's built like this because he drives my hyperbloom team).
4pc glad on itto is just a mistake
It's a cheap way to build him if you can't be assed. I know like 3 people who have their Itto on Gladiator because they don't have a full Husk set yet or that they couldn't make it any better substat wise.
It seems that the weapon suggestions are sorted by rarity first. With one of my characters, a medium usage weapon was in the middle of the list. (High usage ones on top and bottom of the list.) I do think it would be neat if they added a customized filter to personalize the suggestions. Craftable weapons, 3-5 star, current weapon banner, weapons not collected yet, and other filters like that. Wishful thinking but you know... xD
Congratulations for Mona i myself got really lucky and pulled wolf gravestone TWICE on my third multi 👌🏻
Not gonna lie, it's funny seeing them call my Hyperinvested Mika "Formidable" like why thank you maybe his 22k Heals on burst really are
I just watch you and use Game8 instead of anything in-game
What is game8?
@@razortercermundista2165 An unreliable page for Genshin. I wouldn't use it either unless we talk about maps that show where to find resources or something.
@@razortercermundista2165 a website, they make all kinds of genshin guides. I like them because the website layout is simple and easy to use, also they have interactive maps for farming routes and stuff that are super useful. Usually if you look up a farming route or build guide, game8 will be one of the first results.
@@razortercermundista2165a website with games guides
@@razortercermundista2165 A website led by community members for various games that shows most popular builds for characters, mission/quest guides, etc.
I feel like it would be good if there were two recommended weapon lists -- one from the entire pool of weapons, the other from weapons the player already owns. That way, the player can either choose a weapon from what they have, or find something new to work towards. But I think it being based on usage rates as a whole is a problem, regardless.
I definately wouldn't know it would only show the weapons that I own.
I wish we could sort/filter for characters that can be talent farmed . I know it says whether the domain is available today, and if not then on what days, when you go into the talent tab on every single separate character, but I think it would at least speed things up, even if you don't need guide's help - to just sort and see for whom you could farm today. I've been wanting this for foreeverr man. But oh well, to project amber we go, once again.
"let me go quickly fish for the pipe" real
This is catered to people who don't care about being optimal, because the people who actually care will look at guides and yt. This is just something to help the hyper casual players who only want to have fun and don't care about doing 2mil dmg with raiden ult.
I think it was not needed and no one asked for this, but overall is a good addition for new and casual players which is what Hoyoverse cares the most about.
the best way to do it is making it similar to PGR team guides it shows you multiple teams and you can like them and the most liked ones will show first they can do it with builds show you the whole build Artifact+Weapon in a pannel And you will choose the most liked one because people will try multiple builds and if they don't like them they will switch to a different build and like that one so it will be recommended to other people
or they could just start building their characters the right way and give us the builds themselves like pgr does
i think its a great addition. Its not really meant for ppl who are already very knowledgeable about the nuances.
I occassionally play league of legends with my friends. Theres an option to see what recommended items to buy in game are. its awesome. I just follow that. I just wanna play the game, and not have to think too hard about which items to get (especially during the match!)
Some people dont wanna min max perfectly and just wanna build up and use their characters.
And for ppl who are more interested in the nuances, then they can start looking up guides and stuff.
This is like training wheels on a bike 😊
As much as people complain. Overall this and the artifacts set up it's good enough. I learned genshin without Yt videos or anyone in game but I still remember my early days how clueless I was . 😂
I forgot this thing got added this patch.
“Amber doesn’t really matter…” 😂
Yeah the crowd sourcing is a problem. My guess as to what's happening with the EM characters is that, if you have older characters like Thoma, "built but benched," the game is still pulling that data. So a lot of people who are using Thoma today are building him EM I would imagine but his meta isn't people fairly represented. Then that is compounded, as you've said, by not having the full set of weapons listed. If they don't fix this system, they probably need to add an advanced tutorial that describes character builds so new players can develop that critical thinking skill.
I don't really mind the Guide. It's a good resource for new players who don't know much about the game. But if a player builds EM Raiden and decides to give their Ei Homa instead of Dragon's Bane, that's their own lack of critical thinking. If you don't read what your characters do, don't look up guides, and so on then that's more of a player problem than anything else.
Most of it is tabbed by Statistics, like Talent Priority and whatnot. If you're playing a character like Hu Tao, it should be a given that you'd level NAs along with Skill.
So since those are sourced from recently active players, maybe they can add a filter wherein we can see the players who used those characters, that was able to 36 star the abyss, something like that.
Weird, mine recommends craftables I don't have yet.
Jello is always perfect ❤
idk about Fleuve Cendre Ferryman but I don't have Prototype Archaic crafted and this feature advices me to craft it for Dehya so maybe it's just the fishing weapons that are left out
The main thing I learned in this video is that Jello is too lazy to fish for the Pipe.
I forgot about this
The Training guide will actually recommend craftable weapons that you didnt make yet. For my Gaming, it recommended me to use tidal shadow, even though ive never crafted one. However, I dont know if it would recommended it to me if i hadn't unlocked its crafting recipe.
If you don't have enough 4 star claymore it will, most likely
Why for Wanderer this book choses Neuvi signature over Wrio's or even Skyward Atlas in your case? Wild to me, loool.
Just so you know you are wrong about it not recommending craftable weapons if you dont have them. It shows me whiteblind for noelle which i dont have, it shows me the fontaine spear for chevrolet which i also dont have and so on (And specifically says "can be forged at the blacksmith").
So your biggest problem with the mechanic isn't even real.
I just checked my Training Guide for Kuki and it is recommending me to craft the Iron Sting for her
It would be a good idea if they split it into sections like one that's general player used and one that's only used by people who beat the abyss or something like that
It should have an "out of all available/out of what I have" toggle for both weapons and artifacts.
For me, they recommend the catch for Xiao instead of Fav 💀💀💀
Yea, I’ll keep watching build guides in YT and checking written ones elsewhere. It would nice if they recommend weapons you don’t own as well.
this feature should have a complementary feature, ei training hall, could be placed in the world or in owns tea pot.
it doesnt ignore craftable weapons that you dont have, it recommended the fontaine hp polearm (forgot the name) on chevreuse for me even though i dont have it
Weird, why it's different from my own experience? The weap suggestion options are much better for certain characters. As for example, Furina, beside her signature weap, it has suggestion options for favonius and pipe sword for Furina. Maybe because I played on different server? I played on Asia.
just look at the training guide my wriothesley 3rd option was the flowing purity that i don't have
i supposed it only suggest 3 weapons since the stack player have a bunch of options it recommend the better one
btw just look at the recommendations for furina 1 skyward blade 2 pipe 3 fav
It would be nice if it took in team comps. You might build a char a special way because of the team comp it's in. Like a full EM Raiden in a Nahida hyperbloom. It's going to tell you to just stack damage which is a no no.
I think the point of marechausee and furina would be horrible for newer players because unless they know that it only works only with furina then if they dont figure it out they would have no set basically
I think sticking to characters solo build makes more sense for newer players so that when they do start getting deep into teams and builds they would figure out furina would make marechausee work on most carries
Also another thing is i think it would be great to add diffrent build sections to this so players can know they can build some unites diffrently
It really should take character constellation into account. Haran Furina is obviously a c6 only thing, for example, so dismissing it for a c0 Furina would be great
haran is so drippy on furina ngl its worth the er problems
I checked what artifact build it recommended for my Beidou and it seems to be focused on getting characters on appropriate sets and ignores rational stats - it suggested replacing my ER sands with an HP sands as well as swapping all the pieces I had with ER sub stats with others even though I was on the same 2p/2p build. In the “after” stats it presented it showed a an increase in attack while reducing ER to nothing so it seems like it doesn’t consider ER to be a relevant stat at all (I’m not sure if there are settings I can tweak to change that but neither would a brand new, confused player).
I actually was also thinking of a team builder guide. I was thinking there could be a sort of guided team builder mode that shows a dropdown list of common “roles” in a team that let the player designate what role they’re slotting a character into. So a player can identify who they think they are using as their main damage dealer (or multiple damage dealers). They can indicate characters that are being used as buffers and maybe there could be linked reference materials that show sources of buffs (artifact sets like VV, Noblesse, etc, weapons like TTDS, characters with buffs in their kit, etc). There can be some way of indicating which characters have off-field roles available to get the wheels churning in new players’ heads that they should be combining on and off-field roles. They can make elemental resonance more prominent as well as indicate which possible elemental reactions are available in a particular team build (with buffed raw damage an option as well, such as with a mono team with VV or a buffing character). And it can provide a reference guide with various team archetypes that further explain different roles that are key to each one and provide examples of key artifact sets/weapons/characters for each one. The player can select which archetype they’re going for to provide more niche guidance for things like artifact recommendations.
Then maybe in that same mode the player could save the team as a preset AS WELL AS all the applied weapons and artifact loadouts. Then let players pull from those presets and loadouts for the Abyss. Helps more casual players with guidance and more hardcore players by giving them their precious, precious loadouts all at once.
Speaking of reference guides…there should be more/better in-game reference guides! With links and navigations! There can be a whole section devoted to artifacts in general that classify available artifact sets into categories (teamwide buffing sets, healing sets, various categories of damage-boosting sets, etc). And link to related information! Like in the adventure guide where it lists all the enemies if a player looks up the drops it should say right there which characters use those drops. In-game reference guides should be designed so players don’t have to Google for basic information like that.
Still it helps new players but I agree in my opinion they should show all recommended weapons and add a filter of weapons you own only also they should pay attention to different builds needs different weapons recommendation like in Raiden case for exemple like you already said. It's not a bad change anyway
😅 I was literally forgot about this new training update due to insane Alercchino gameplay hype
Damn, all those new player Ws... haha can't wait for the vetran Ws soon! (please genshin roblox be somehow good)
so, the rankings of any particular set doesn't carry with it a specific proportion of the builds out there: for instance the third ranked set or weapon could be represented in 25% of builds or it could be in 5% of builds and as long as it's third in rank out of the options available we see the same thing. because of that, when we look at raiden, there are a couple key facts to keep in mind. first, far more players have extensively farmed gilded dreams than have paradise lost. those are pretty much the two choices for a hyperbloom raiden build, and more importantly, being an alternate build, hyperbloom raiden is more the type of thing you build when you find you have the pieces than that you go out and farm for specifically (also let's keep in mind how widespread in range of use both sets in a domain are as a whole). on the other hand, when it comes to EM spears, we might not be spoiled for choice but we certainly have options. would more players have and use this past year's new battle pass spear or some the other options besides dragon's bane than would have farmed a full set of paradise lost EM pieces? i think it's fair to say that's likely.
none of this is in opposition to your overall criticism, i just wanted to go into how we got the results we see for raiden. like, when they do these by aggregates this is what we're going to get, and it's hard (but not impossible) to build something that functions more intricately
It's a decent for entry-level advice. I did not look at guides or anything when I first started playing, so an in-game recommendation probably would have helped a little bit. Though back in 1.0, even guides were suspect. Again though, more new player optimizations and nothing for old players as usual.
There should be a feature to share a loadout when you 36 star the abyss 12 and a section for the comunity to look it and leave comments
I went through all my characters when I saw this new feature yesterday expecting to chuckle a lot. And sure, there were some funny moments in the artifact recommendation tab, sometimes it wanted to absolutely nuke my ER, or have 26 CR with 250 CD instead of a 1:2 ratio. But I have to say there were also times where I looked at their recommended build and was actually impressed, at least 3 or 4 characters got a buff yesterday due to that. I even had to double check on Keqing Mains a couple of timesl lol. So it's definitely worth going over it to check I'd say! 😂
all im using the training guide for really is just making everyone 'formidable'. its just kinda funny what counts towards it really. out of my 59 character roster, i only have 3 characters left to do this to.
Why?..
@@ferend4038 just enjoying being able to pick anyone i want to do things with. frem, chev, and charllote are next on my list.
@@omegazeroINFI yeah, but like.. formidable is pretty easy to get I feel, like mine dori was formidable just with lvl80/80 and lvl70 weap. I mean u should just build units and not for some title "formidable" which isn't even that good.
@@ferend4038 i was basically already doing that before the training guide. everyones max ascended ranging from 81 to 90 depending on how useful 90 is, 90 weapon, 5 20 4pc sets, and talents ranging. with all this in place, a good 12 or so characters were not formidable because of talents and when i ran out of books, needed to stack a level or 2 to push past it. im definitely more interested in the thresholds of it. i wonder which one has the most weight for that formidable marker.
@@omegazeroINFI yeah, that's cool. Btw only ur current weapon and set have weight in training guide system, so if someone of ur characters is lacking a bit u can try changing things around.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I agree they were telling me level up raidens normal attack
"- let me go fish for the pipe.. okay, I don't wanna RIGHT NOW."
Says every non-f2p player with multiple choices of weapons 😂😂😂 since it's not broken like The Catch of course 😉
We still need saveable artifact preset loadouts.
A bit of a problem I see with team recommendations is that ppl that actually 36* star abyss might have different builds then those that are in training guide and etc recomended. Like if you choose raiden do you think more ppl 36* with dmg build then em? - maybe cs hyperbloom kukie is so popular(somehow, why?) among casuals. But I hope that gets my point
Idk on Navia I've seen quite a few ppl use Unforged on her and yet the game doesn't say it has a high usage rate. I'm sorry but Unforged is probably one of the best substitutes for her weapons if you can achieve high crit on her without a weapon, since she uses the crystallized reaction and well crystallized makes a shield so it helps with survivability a bit if needed (idk Navia deletes stuff even with lvl 6 talents) but also Unforged increases the atk buff by 100% when protected by a shield.
Nope according to hoyo Redhorn Stonethresher is higher usage and I'm guessing it's because the high crit damage it gives but I don't believe it. Besides I finally just got Itto so I'll be darned if I'm gonna take redhorn off him as I also finally got that as well. Also just thought it could be because most ppl don't have Unforged, tbh I wouldn't be surprised I haven't seen it rerun in a good while. For those who don't know The Unforged is the black and white looking Claymore, basically it strengthens shields by 20% and when scoring a hit you increase atk by 4% per stack max 5 stacks and with a shield the atk increased is increased by 100%. It's pretty solid for most characters who need atk and can use a shield whicb ig is anyone. Most use it for Noelle but on Navia it's really good.
Idk the guide is great for new players but it'll be better if they showed highest weapon regardless if you own it or not like Honkai Impact that way new players also know what weapon to chase for that character, granted with most limited characters it's obvious. Anyways so sorry for this comment being pretty long.
The problem with it is that it is based on usage rates. Thats why it doesn't suggest mistsplitter on bennet and cashflow on wanderer. Alot of people that have these weapons and units will not put them on these units. Like you don't pull mistsplitter to put it on bennet. You pull it for your dps and then you put it on your dps. It is bennets best weapon but very few people who have it will put it on bennet because they are too lazy to switch around all the time. And then again its all based on usage not actual meta so the characters very few people have/equip will be more accurate while strong supports like furina will be rather tainted with bad weapon choices simply because people will slap their 5 star stat sticks on her instead of getting pipe, people putting suboptimal 5 stars on her because they only have a few and need them on other characters aso. This is fine for their acc but regarding the overall meta its wrong. A system like that based on usage rate can never work in genshin because how account dependent alot of these weapon choices are and how casual the general player base of genshin is.
Of course i put my mistsplitter on bennet when I can but someone who got it for ayaka and plays casually might not even know that it is a good thing to do even if they barely use ayaka anymore. People don't think about it or do research after their initial building.
Do you have festering desire? It should have also been recommended to furina
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding - it seems that it's simply showing you what people are commonly using, not actively telling you to go for that, even if it is in a, well, *training guide*. But that aside, the much bigger thing is - if it's based off of player usage, what kind of usage does it take? Any? Or just if you have them in your party? Or actually put them on the field and use their attacks/skills? So many people swap weapons around or use characters as placeholders for a set or whatever, which can really mess with the data, if not taken into account somehow. And the 5-star thing, is that external bias, purposefully set by mhy? Or is it based entirely off of people preferring to use 5-stars, likely unaware that they aren't always the best?
Lol's this is why doing anything on usage rates will give you mixed results. Just because something is used a lot mean it's better.
i tried the feature on my new account and it does recommend weapons i dont have but are craftable! unfortunately it only shows it because i literally do not have any weapons to put on said character
I get your point but is not that also kinda missing the concept? I believe the goal of the "guide" is to show you what you can use on your unit without investing abs searching for stuff. Which is either good or bad but more good than bad because...for example in the Furinas case I probably .
I mean, any system that relies on the mob and rarity to give recommendations will inevitably be heavily flawed.
I also think that anyone who cares enough to use the Training Guide will also care enough to spend 30 seconds on Google to get better answers anyway. So yeah, kind of like the so-called artifact 'quick swap' which is actually a major pain to use, it's just another redundant and almost entirely pointless system...
It does not exclude weapons that you haven’t crafted. I looked at it once, and it told me one of the best weapons was a craftable weapon. I had not crafted weapon