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- The Atheist Experience 21.22 for June 4, 2017 with Russell Glasser and Phil Session.
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Billy’s coked-up anger always gives me so much joy.
You know back when I was a teenager I had done coke for a couple years pretty often at parties. And I had the exact same thought xD I was like why does he sound like he just did a line, he is so fucking amped up xD
@@colt2720 Um ughh umm you know umm hrr um likr i mean ummm hh
Cocaine. That explains it. I was trying to come up with an explanation for this fool.
Billy is a blatant example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect on every single call.
Exactly! I just binged 6 of his calls and was thinking the exact same thing!
But I still don't know what the support for the claim that 'people thought that god threw lightning bolts due to his wrath'. It seems similar to saying 'Americans think the Earth is flat' which is highly inaccurate.
@@ericmishima It isn't flat?,.....weeeeeell doggy.
@Eric Mishima
Many stories about Thor in Norse mythology. But to differentiate it from Jesus-stories, if we had a similarly strong world-wide religion, a major movement to worship Thor, we would be right to expect a lot more evidence. If the principal attribute of Thor is the ability to cast thunderbolts, the modern study of meteorology is sufficient to laugh him off the stage of world deities.
Yes, there are still a few adherents to Thor, but for the most part it seems to be simply a rallying cry for white nationalists rather than a serious all-encompassing religion.
And he sounds like a Ferengi.
“If lightning is the anger of the gods, the gods are concerned mostly with trees .” Lao Tse
TREES!!!!!
Man. Phil's explanation was so cool and smooth and this Billy guy still failed to comprehend it. Beating a dead horse...
Probably didn't help that he was constantly mumbling while they were talking. Makes comprehension harder.
@@tmikeb28Yeah, maybe it's just me, but he reminds me of Milton from Office Space when he does that.
Billy's logic.
Some snakes are green
Some apples are also green
Therefore- some apples are snakes
😒 no Billy.
😂😂😂
He said " I can't be sure all apples are green.. Therefore apples don't exist"
Of course not! Snakes trick people into eating apples!
That's a bad Billy.
"I know vastly more than you do" says the guy who spent 15 minutes asserting we can't know anything that happened before our lifetime essentially because we can't corroborate with 100% certainty that those things happened...
I'm not sure that he would agree that we can even know things that happened in our lifetime as he seems to think that if you don't experience it yourself, you can't trust the experience or words of other people.
Billy and callers like him are the type that drive me up a wall, the living imbodiment of dunning-krugger.
Same dude who didn't understand the argument from popularity. Now it's the argument from stupidity.
He obviously thinks he has a good point and nobody can shift his position.
He's right that we can't trust anything, but we have to trust things in order to live.
Does he eat food ? He can't rely on food because some food is contaminated.
I wanna punch this fool in the face. And he is talking over the hosts.
Up until 200 years people believed Gods did everthing.
@@johnmorris2170 Some GULLIBLES still do .....................
He really is a walking talking reducto ad absurdum. All of his calls are like this.
His call with Matt about intelligent design got even more hilarious than this. Matt brought up universe farting unintelligent pixies as a counterpoint to Billy's frontloaded intelligent design, and in that call Billy got completely hung up on how Matt knew the pixies were farting. As if that was the bridge too far, not non intelligent universe creating pixies as an idea itself. Just the farting.
It was magnificently absurd.
I'm a huge fan of Billy's calls because of this.
"if some are unreliable, the all are unreliable". that's fallacy of composition. that's like saying "if some number are even numbers, then all numbers are even numbers"
"People used to believe" does not mean all people, nor does it mean no one does anymore.
There is a difference in disbelieving the supernatural claims in a book, and disbelieving the supernatural claims in a book, but accepting that the people who wrote the book believed in the supernatural things they were writing.
This 100% Very well put
Spot on. That is the core difference and Billy doesn't get it.
Absolutely! There’s a difference between the claim that Thor exists and makes lightning. And the claim that some people believe that Thor exists and makes lightning.
To summarize Billy's point: Meth! Methmeth! Meth! Meth! METH!!!
The real tragedy here is that Billy got off this phone call thinking he won and that he's right
Come up from the basement, Billy. Your pizza bagels are ready.
He's more of an attic child. That's where people in the past would hide their mentally handicapped children. Then again, Billy would assert it's impossible to know this.
THIS is a primary example of a pointless argument.
Is this the same Billy that called into Talk Heathen saying, "I have a flawless syllogism", but when he was debunked said "I'm twice as old as you, kiddos"
It is! Isn’t he a joy? Also, I don’t think he’s actually in his 50s. He sounds like an overzealous 19-year-old.
@@Mmmmilo Yeah I was gonna say, I HOPE he's an 18 year old because YIKES. XD Also, he dropped the R bomb and nearly got banned on AXP too.
He must have never heard of Greek or Norse mythology. He he has never even heard of Thor.
Now that I’ve noticed Billy on a few shows I’m starting to think he’s on some Andy Kaufman level of performance art
He literally puts on a voice that makes him sound like the Cowardly Lion from The wlWizard of Oz. I am pretty confident in saying I think he is just a troll.
This jagoff is stuck on lightning for 8 minutes. NEXT!
I thought "jagoff" was a Pittsburgh word.
@@Arkloyd In from Minnesota, jagoff is in my lexicon too.
@@arthousefilms But Wikipedia is just an electronic version of old books. He won't believe that.
Someone please give Billy a Xanax!
I'm amazed that anyone thinks that the fact that we are being hurled at mind numbing speeds into oblivion is a sign of order and intelligent design.
Your comment is severely under-liked and very profound, my guy
Now I know what the side effects of lightning does when Zeus uses it to strike people..
So if an old comic book is fantasy, that means an old math book is fantasy? Doubtful.
If one old books about King Steve, ALL old books are about King Steve.
IF all books written had been true...then someone invented fiction... Or made a mistake... Did that guys false book turn the prior true books false?
"How do you know!"
*starts to explain how they know*
"No not like that!"
Why is this guy so nervous? He seems unable to talk like a human being.
Drugs.
Because he thinks he has one profound point, that in actuality is pretty weak, so he gets tripped up when he can’t find the words or arguments to try and defend
He knows he's full of shit.
Billy is the perfect theist. Basic logic is persistently and consistently an extreme difficulty for their kind.
Short answer: Because we have more than one source for people believing in Zeus throwing lightening bolts
I don't think Billy was listening to a damn word.
Per your example, there is certainly good reason to believe the Magna Carta existed - we have four originals in museums!
Billy: How do you know they are originals?
Ummm... my grandma used to make us sit down during a thunderstorm. Lights off, TV off, and quiet while THE LORD DOES HIS BUSINESS! That was cute and even now I’m reminded of her during a thunderstorm. There are many other things that were not so cute that was passed on religiously. With some of these myths, you don’t have to go too far back in history to find a trace of these beliefs. Funny guy... he just wanted to have an argument with someone.
🤣🤣 did she mean that like
..going to the bathroom? Because that might be the funniest and most innocent thing ive ever heard if so.
I’m not sure what his business was! Lol I was a kid.! I couldn’t even imagine what business the Almighty could have but bathroom is hilarious! Maybe that
There are not only old books that support the view of "gods" throwing lightnings. There are pictures of Zeus throwing them. Pictures in stone, on ceramic, etc..... it's not some made up stuff.
How much coffee did Billy drink before he called? He sounds so wound up and jittery.
I think he's taking a lot of drugs... Just not the ones he was prescribed...
The final line with the caller "no you don't. get lost" LOFL
This guy is the king of not understanding arguments and then creating a strawman and getting angry about it.
King shit
I can only imagine the people billy hangs out with where he’s some how got it in his head that he’s the smart one
Scary thought from the future, looking at some of the people around me in the deep south and some running for office: Maybe he is!
In the end, the argument was: I know more than you!!!😂
This is another example of why there should be required courses of Logical Thinking and/or Critical Thinking in grade schools.
Try repeating the same premise for the 10th straight time without any additional argument or logic. That should work.
Being skeptical about ancient sources - and modern ones - is the starting point. Then you look for corroboration. And one book turning out to be unreliable doesn’t mean all are any more than seeing one dog bite means all do.
a....i...i...o...e...a...a...s...t...a..e...o (Billy's way of interrupting)
Billy “Scorates came up with intelligent design and 95% of people believe it”
Billy “I don’t trust ancient literature at. You have to assume you can’t trust any of it”
I can't imagine this guy has any friends... and if he does, im scared of them. He had to be trolling, I hope so hard that he was trolling.
Every time he says "compromised" take a shot.
Ever hear of Greek Mythology? Zeus was the king of the Greek gods who lived on Mount Olympus. He was the god of the sky and thunder. His symbols include the lightning bolt, the eagle, the bull, and the oak tree.
Billy “I never said that” yes, Billy, not verbatim, but that was the concept you were struggling to convey
Omg, really? Difference between that is that no one actually believes Thor or Zeus anymore (or most people don't). And yes, written texts do show that people believed whole panteons connected to nature. There are a lot of primary and secondary sources (written texts, temples, archeological data). No one disputes that people believed in God. The difference is that they believe in it now as well. >_>
We have temples built to Thor and other gods.
Old gods - 4 of the days of the week are remembered thanks to Norse gods. Tuesday, Wesnesday, Thursday and Friday : Tīwesdæg or Tiw's day, Woden, Þūnresdæg (Thunder or Thor) and Frīgedæg or Frige. Quite entertaining really :0)
Billy's first name has to be Hill...
I disagree completely with Russell that this was a waste of time. Billy is a prime example of one of those theists who tries to justify ridiculous beliefs by declaring that you can't know anything, and that he is therefore justified in believing his theistic bullshit. I think it is very good to expose the ridiculous thought processes that go on in theism.
This was a useful conversation.
I disagree with you that this was in fact not a waste of time and even more so that it was a useful conversation. I can't see how it was either of those.
The fact is that Billy learned absolutely nothing from this call and like wise I would wager anyone who is of the same 'mind' as him will be of the same thought. indeed I would be willing to bet that Billy even believed that he came out of this the winner and didn't think that Russell was able to make a valid point or debunk his 'logic'!
Claiming that this exposes' his idiotic thought process and those like him is only useful if it either enlightens/educates the very same people with that thought process in the first place and/or is enlightening and thought provoking to any rational minded and free thinking individual and to be honest if you fall into the latter then you should already know this without the need to watch this video and witness a complete idiot spout out intellectual nonsense to learn that.
At the end of the day that fact is that I have wasted just over 16 minutes of my life listening to a compete oxygen thief attempt to make an absolutely absurd point and he even failed at doing that.
This wasn’t a conversation. It was Billy showing off his ignorance and the two guys explaining why he was wrong.😂
I agree with Billy. I can’t trust a thing he says.
I'm an electrician who openly admits there are some jobs I don't know how to do so according to this guy I don't know how to do any jobs period.
Billy is guy that said farting pixies and god are the same
"But how do you know they're farting?"
Zeus is due to unleash storms and lighting on us Wednesday here in Cyprus.
I love how the caller was making like 2 interruptions per second and they just didn’t care and kept going 😂 god people who just constantly interrupt are so rude and insanely annoying
Yay... Another brilliant theist. How rare 🙄
For Russell to go into Matt-mode at the end shows how annoyed he was...
Dunning -Krueger in full effect
I believe that Billy believes what he believes.
Never heard someone so offended on behalf of ancient Zeusians.
No more coffee for that man.
"Have you been on the show before?"... "Yes, and Matt Dillahunty ripped me a new arse hole because I'm a moron. So now I'm back for revenge using the first meaningless bullshit I could dream up in my drug-fuelled rage."
Oh NOW you understand source methodology!
Oh these are my favorite when Keanu calls in
guy never stopped talking throughout the whole call
People still believe that deities control thunder and lightning.
Every time when you think you've heard all absurd claims made by theists, another lunatic has to prove me wrong
Thesis are good at proving atheist wrong.
@@tombie8763 Yes the most common theist claim can be summarized to "I have no scientific education, so I don't understand the world, therefore god"
OMG Billy's anger is oozing out of my computer's screen😆😅😂🤣
There are still people that believe lightning is the wrath of God or gods.
Arguing with this guy is like clapping with 1 hand. He's just not smart enough to grasp these basic concepts. He makes ridiculous arguments about inconsequential things as if he just figured out the mysteries of the universe. 🤦🏽♂️
And yet he says that "I know vastly more than you do." Lol...Sometimes I hope all retards are retarded to the point that they're barely capable of speech so that we can distinguish and discard them at once. But no. The world has to spawn so many retards like Billy who can pass off as false intellectuals who believe themselves to be geniuses persecuted by the crowd.
Referred to simply as a “fuckstick”.
Spot on, he just doesn’t grasp what’s being discussed.
Someone needs to tell billy about the _Slippery Slope_ fallacy.
Summary of caller: I don't like old books therefore I believe in intelligent design. Also, religions that believe lightening is from god include: Shinto, Inca, Hindu, Islam, Christianity, Finnish, Norse, Baltic, Slavic, Judaism, and the one we all know... Greek. That is the short list because there is also a long list of 'thunder gods'.
They had way more patience with this troll than I could have had.
My historian heart immediately overruled my brain and I said out loud that Charlemagne lived circa 800 CE. The Magna Carta was, indeed, signed in 1215 though :D
lol 3 seconds of him talking and i knew it was the "c'mon dude, don't be like that" passive aggressive guy.
man I love repeat callers.
I know this is an old clip, but I got two quick points 1) there were literal temples built to the various gods so obviously at least one person believed it and 2) Billy has been an... interesting caller for quite a while lol.
SO frustrating how Billy kept talking over them
All old books are compromised. Thanks Billy. 😅
Billy? Ohh... billy....
When Ben Franklin invented the lightning conductor, the religious leaders complained.
They thought lightning conductors interfered with the work of the LORD !
It was soon realised that science is more reliable than wishful thinking.
So most religious buildings are fitted with that intelligently designed safety device.
14:07 Lmao! He actually admitted that was his position. Billy might be one of the dumbest callers on the show.
Billy O'Reilly sounds kind of young in this video.
I just watched a call featuring Billy from an episode aired in 2013. He's been at this for that long? LMAO
Slow this guy down, and he would sound like Hamish.
Brothers maybe?? Certainly they got the same intelligence (or lack of) gene!! 😂😂
I love when Billy is on. He is so entertaining. Batshit crazy but entertaining all the same😅
Charlemagne would have been over 400 years old in 1215, for the record.
I heard that Billy's favorite weed strain is called Dunning-Kruger
Billy's the type that thinks you have to drink the bong water when you're done.
His brain has been compromised.
Brain?
These callers think they’re clever but their nonsense can always be figured out within a minute like the hosts did here
I really wish Phil Session was a more frequent co host on the show
He...um... _is._
ancient texts have the potential to be compromised - including your favorite one, the bible.
It sounds like the guy who voiced Barney the Dinosaur really went on a downward spiral after the show...
Lightning is created by Thor Almighty! Not Zeus.. 😂
Scholars have rigorous methods for analyzing historical texts. There are ways to determine whether a or not a manuscript is likely to have been forged and/or to have been interpolated. Just because some texts are unreliable doesn't mean all texts are unreliable.
Why does it seem that most callers are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
Kids, drugs are bad! Don't be like Billy.
"All ancient literature has the potential to be compromised." You mean, like the bible?😂
Historians use other corroborating evidence to support written testimony
Gee, Eric really got a great tan.
I'm here to nullify his argument because I specifically remember thinking God was angry when I was a child.