Video není dostupné.
Omlouváme se.
Engine out at 800' forced landing in the Stinson 108
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 04. 2020
- Folks have been asking me about the time I was let down by the Stinson 108. Well here is the forced landing when the engine quit on the way to a fly in. This happened a couple of years ago and the airplane was back in the air la month after this landing. There was no damage to the airplane or imjuries to the occupants and we ended up with about $12 worth the crop damage. Overall a good ending to what could have been a not good situation. The audio and video quaility is a little lower than our standard because this was only the second time I was running cameras in the plane. It was going to be the second "Flight Vlog" of the Great Michigan Bush Co. This was a setback to the who channel since my attention was turned to getting the plane back in the air. Anyway folks have wondered how the Stinson let me down and this is the story.
"You can hear the engine sound quit in the video ~3:10. The prop will continue to "windmill" to the ground, air pressure providing the energy to turn the engine. Only if it tosses a rod or something else violent happens will the prop will stop in the air. In this video you can see as soon as I hit the ground and slow the propeller stops as the airspeed no longer allows the windmilling of the engine."
Excellent! You kept flying and found a good place to set it down.
If this had happened a few minutes earlier while over water, then what? Did you have enough hight, or ditched?
I really don't want to ditch in a Great Lake. We had just enough altitude to glide to shore. Folks laugh at me about flying over water. I go around all the time. People ask why I just don't fly across the lake with a comment such as "the plane doesn't know you're over water." EXACTLY! It doesn't care where you are when it decides to quit. Over land I always have a landing spot in sight, over water I never can.
Great Michigan Bush Co.
Good reasoning. There is no perfect answer to this. Flying is always a risk, just be aware of your situation and have a plan if something happens. Flying single engine at night or in IMC is another risk, but we do it. Your plan to fly within glide range to land is good airmanship. I would be your passenger ;)
@@captainorry5895 I never plan to fly a single IMC. At night I follow freeways as much as possible. These precautions have worked well for me.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Guys bust my chops about not flying over water too. Granted there's times where I'll cut across, but only after getting enough altitude and guys will ask why I didn't cross sooner etc.
But having had a crank break without warning while towing banners it is not something I want to repeat. Things happen pretty fast and I had very few options. Thankfully I was able to get to the salt Marsh and put it down because the only other option I had was a crowded beach full of people and I couldn't go there.. I did manage to wad up the plane pretty good because the tires sunk in the soup like mud causing the plane to flip. But it was pretty gentle when it flipped and felt like slow motion. Honestly all things considered the plane fared pretty well and was back in the air the next season.
One thing I do is carry ox if I have some water in the way. This way I'm able to get up pretty high (for a bug basher 😂) and can calculate my glide between options.
@@southjerseysound7340 I had a connecting rod break while towing banners... that was another 60 second to the ground drill. I found a gravel pit with a foot of snow., the plane almost ended up on it's back but didn't. I Got lucky.
The guy just landed safely, perpendicular to the grooves by that, and the other guy is like: “Scott, what’s going through your mind, talk to me...” Just let him breathe, man, come on!
People can get a little excited when the airplane breaks, and we all handle our nerves differently.
I think if I was the pilot, I’d tell the other guy to take a walk. Good grief.
Exactly, what an arse. (Ass)
i'm sad that i cant like this comment more than once
He did what now?
Awesome piloting skills! You’re a more patient man than me though….if I had a passenger go into interview mode before I’m even out of the cockpit, I would’ve gone off on him! Dude was way too concerned of getting CZcams content. Great job!
Yeah that was annoying.
Yeah that was annoying.
That's some first rate airmanship. Good job.
Sometimes you get lucky. Thanks.
Given how quickly things were playing out and given the altitude, I am amazed by your calmness and the way you handled the situation overall. Great job.
Thanks. It all comes down to good flight instructors.
In 95, when I was 12, my grandfather and I had an unplanned off airport arrival at put in bay, we walked way, but the plane was totaled. All he could say after shutting down the mags and battery and cutting off the fuel, was “well at least I don’t have to worry about selling the plane!” Needless to say thanks for sharing this, glad everything worked out!
This plane was backup and running in 3 weeks.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo what was the cause of the engine out ?
Great job , especially at this altitude sir. No injuries And the airplane is ok. 👍
Cheers from France Americans pilots 🤚
Thank you. Sometimes you get lucky. I got lucky this time because the plane quit in an area that gave me a lot of options for landing.
A horrible call to receive.... but the recovery was a heck of an adventure! Great job landing, and great video!
The recover was the heard part. Getting it in the field was easy 😂
I’m right across the border from you guys and I’m gonna say, you guys rocked that issue, never got excited, picked a point and did not change your mind. Excellent
I was so low I didn't have time to change my mind
😂
Wish we had the farmer getting out of his combine reaction. Great Landing!
man you lucked in! fields everywhere! great job!
I think your passenger is the "Capt of Panic". Thank God he wasn't PF
Thanks for posting this. This is, for many of us, our greatest fear, also why I try to always fly over places I can hopefully land. You did a great job. thanks again for sharing. PS currently fly a '60 172 but would love a Stinson 108.
A 1960 172 is the way to go if you are going to have a172. I do love the 108.
Man, that was great! I don’t know how many videos I’ve seen of forced landings, where airspeed is not maintained. It either gets stalled it, or they come in waaaay too fast, trying not to overshoot their field, even if they’ve had 5 minutes worth of descent to think about it, This one was executed perfectly, in such short time. You seem to know your airplane, sir, and it looks like you’ve got many flying hours ahead of you.
Amazing flying.
Hey, would you mind if I featured this video in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? You will of course be credited both in the description and in the video itself. Great landing!
Not at all, we’d be honored!
Got yourself a new subscriber thanks to lucaas and of course you the pilot doing a phenomenal job during stressful situation.
Bro I watch your every weekly dose of aviation big fan from India
Featured on lucas!!!👍👍🍹
It was an outstanding landing as far as I am concerned! Scot did a GREAT job!
Did the best we could with what we had available.
Really great... looked totally fine
Great job guys! Flew the plane perfectly!
Thanks!
Good Job! Tell that guy who wants to talk to take a hike.
😂
Good job getting it down. I’m sure in the moment you just flew the airplane, but the shot of coming into land is anxiety provoking. I got the same feeling that I get when doing practice touch down autorotations for work. Glad you get to fly your Stinson another day!
That was a good plane, I've moved on now but she treated me well.
what an amazing landing. I would love to see a follow up video on how y'all got the plane out of the field and what went wrong with the airplane.
I have content from it, not sure if enough to make a video.
Great Michigan Bush Co. Yeah I’ve always wondered how to they remove the airplanes from emergency landings, especially airliners, particularly when they’re otherwise airworthy
@@Syclone0044 This was an airworthy aircraft. We did no damage to the airframe and the cop damage was paid with a $10 bill. The wings were removed and we trailered it out. 3 weeks later the plane was back in the air.
I also had a force landing in my dash three Stinson after shooting a touch and go at a farmers airfield when I reduce my power on downwind the engine quit, luckily I was close in and had no problem making the field. When we got out of the airplane we noticed that there was fuel pouring out of the bottom of the carburetor. I remove the carburetor and found out that the finger filter in the carburetor had bottomed out and it had twisted and had popped out a piece of the filter where the solder joint is at and it had gone up and prevented the float from shutting off the fuel. Found the piece and it was a quarter inch long And at the widest point about an 8th of an inch wide. Looking in the carburetor parts book someone had installed the wrong type of gasket and it was not prevent the finger filter from bottoming out in the carburetor.
I’m here from Weekly Dose of Aviation. You guys handled the situation great! I learned a couple points from this that I can apply to my own flying if I encounter a similar situation.
Glad you found something useful. One take away should be to fly at a higher altitude. It sure gives you a bit more time to set up. While an altitude may be legal it may not provide huge safty margins.
Had a Stinson go down about 15 miles North of the airport. It had a Franklin engine and one of the rockers broke. The local A&P school had a similar engine for training so we traded them a part. The owner took off from the dirt road he landed on. The only part needing repair was the slot wing leading edge that got damage from a small sapling.. Simple to fix that one. Just took it off and brought the part back to the shop. Another one was a Maule with a Franklin engine. That one involved a fuel pump that had a check valve fail. Rubber disc closed the output port. Just moved the hoses to bypass it and let gravity feed handle it. That was in a bean field too.
I near crapped my pants when I put myself in your shoes, very helpful video and good for my flight training.
No time to crap pants, just do as you trained.
Great job. This is what i learned in flight school, It’s a good landing if everyone walks away from a landing, (no matter the plane condition). It’s a perfect landing if you can take off again
It took a while to get this plane back on the ground again.
Great commitment to the landing. I would have crapped myself that low. I hope I can do what you gents did. Great control and you stuck it. 👍🙏
Thanks 👍
The Bob Hoover story in WW2 he was a test pilot for aircraft being sent to the middle east to be assembled by local labor. He said forced landings from engine failure, and gear issues become routine.
Amazing ditch landing. It seemed you were losing altitude fairly fast.
800 fpm
Beautifully exicuted emergency, guys!
Thanks. We never used any emergency privileges or declared one so I am not even sure it was an emergency.
That was an annoying passenger.
Did the farmer thank you for help plowing the field, lol? Great save! Glad you guys are all ok!
When we came back to give her a ride she did.
Ahahahahaha.. any antiques in the barn?🤣👍👍🍹
WHEN... did the engine quit? The prop was still spinning the entire time?
You can hear the engine sound quit in the video. The prop will continue to "windmill" to the ground, air pressure providing the energy to turn the engine. Only if it tosses a rod or something else violent happens will the prop will stop in the air. In this video you can see as soon as I hit the ground and slow the propeller stops as the airspeed no longer allows the windmilling of the engine.
Nicely done, thankful you are ok.
Thank you. This happened a couple of years ago with the old 108. Many folks asked what the story was when the 108 let me down. So I thought it was time to show the video.
It is such a compelling video I didn't notice it was your previous Stinson until after I made my comment.
@@GaryDarling Named her Christine after this.
Textbook. Nicely done. You can be proud of that one.
thank you very much. I believe every forced landing has a lot of luck involved.
Thanks for sharing the video! I'll be curious to see how the cam gear failed. Hopefully you can do an in-depth video of the repair.
Did you have to remove the wings to transport it from the field?
I did not get footage of the repair. I'm not an A&P / engine builder so that was done by someone who was qualified. I did get the wings off for transportation.
Great story, thank you for sharing. Looked like excellent airmanship to me. Only problem I saw was the tie
What is the tie?
Great Michigan Bush Co. that thing around your partner’s neck in the bar. A tie should never be in a bush flying video
Well done, gentlemen.
Thanks. Working under pressure.
Fantastic job!
Glad all are okay. Plane engines quit all the time. Good luck not having another.
That was number three to the ground... I hope I don't have another one either. I've had enough.
Bet you are happy you didn't lose her over the lake! looks cold. Lots of nice fields there. Nice work. Cheers.
Yeah nothing will up your future altitude awareness game better. I was calculating in my head instantly if there was enough altitude to make a field on the edge of that water.
Beautiful landing...
Thank you!
Great Job every body walked away , well done.
Thanks!
Great work!
Thank you
Thank goodness you didn't flip going against the rows
Yeah, the beans don't have deep furloughs like corn and other crops.
This is a very good video. I am preparing to go back to flight training (hopefully all the way to commercial.)
well I hope that works out! Good luck in the journey and don't forget single engine airplanes are the best.
How do you get the plane back to the airport? Are there services for this? Or do you just go back with a mechanic, take the wings off, and throw it on a trailer?
We back with a mechanic, took the wings off, and through it on a trailer! It was a boat load of work.
Great Michigan Bush Co. Good thing your mechanic was trained to ship it properly, it’s good you didn’t have to chopper it into pieces ✈️🚤🚂🚢🚁😁
i had a engine out in my old 108-3 15 years ago. cept mine literally blewup landed on a back country toad next to a dairy in calif. dairy guy was great let me use his barn while the mechanci did a upgrade to the engine while it was out still have that old girl was my 1st airplane i bought in 1973 for 2500 dollars.she has been thru a lot over the years. it has sat now got over 10 years in the hanger.i also have a 1935 stinson sr 6 reliant. and a few others.i would never sell that 108-3
The 108 is great... You need to get that back in the air.
Good landing and all that, but what was the cause of the engine quitting?
The cam gear broke in two. There was a big clunk.
Great footage and GREAT job getting down in one piece. Very professional how calm you remained throughout. What is the glide ratio on a Stinson 108 anyway? Keep producing content, you have me shopping for a Stinson.
It felt like a 1:1 ration 😂 I think probably somehwere around 6-7:1 it came out of the sky a lot faster than I thought it would.
Good job. Now for the long walk;
Good job! Your last left turn makes me little nervous...."stall speed". But well done! Greetings from Germany.
That turn was not slow. Airspeed is king and you never let it get slow that low.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Couldn't see the needle... Perfect....
@@GreatMichiganBushCo It would be very interesting to see the last turn from the cockpit camera as well. From the wing perspective it looked really scary. However, I've never seen a video from that angle of a low altitude steep turn during glide so I figure maybe it didn't look quite as dodgy from the cockpit?
@@erikgdahlbeck it was 45 degrees, there was some wind at play. Not scary I kept plenty of airspeed.
Excellent job! But what made the engine quit??
Excellent!
If you didn’t know it was an emergency , you would’ve thought it was just a Bush plane landing in the scrub .
Well done to the pilot skill in control and landing
Thanks
Just curious. Why didn't you choose the clean cut hay field that you crossed prior to landing in the soybeans? Wind direction or not long enough?
It wasn't a mowed hay field, it had been harvested early and the green was weeds. The furrows were around a foot high and perpendicular to the direction I was landing. It'd have been on it's back.
What an interesting reaction from the filmmaker that within 10 secs of surviving this situation he immediately wanted to begin interviewing before the pilot could even have a minute to start breathing again. Instinct I guess 👍🏽
I know. He had that camera in my face right away. I hadn't even finished securing the aircraft. So mush still to assess.
I’m glad you’re safe. Did you figure out the cause?
Yes, we found the problem as soon as the engine was in the shop. It was what the mechanic thought from the start.
Ok then
@@GreatMichiganBushCo And? ...
@@JimConnelley the camshaft gear had broke. It was never going to start again.
We Wildland firefighters know a scary ride on big jets! That feeling of Death coming will make you think!! 😮
Yes, what was the diagnosis? Nice work.
The camshaft gear failed.
Well done on the landing! You said “As soon as it quit I did what I always do....try to restart the engine...”. I presume you selected glide attitude and pointed the aircraft in a sensible direction first though?
well they slowed to best glide. it was Ohio, I wasn't worried about a field they were everywhere.
...walked away...good landing...
...undamaged plane...excellent landing...
Wow bro the landing was smooth I saw your channel on lucaas
Thanks for checking us out!
@@GreatMichiganBushCo welcome bro
So, what happened. Nice of the farmer to cut you a path out of the field. What did you do to get it out?
I couldn't have asked for a nice r farmer to drop in on.
Every pilot has a "my underwear changed color mid-flight" story. I'm sure this was one of yours!
It's never mid-flight. Every engine out I've had it's when you hit the ground and everything's okay and you walk away from the air plane that the jitters hit.
Really well done! Are you a glider pilot?
Hold a commercial glider certificate.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo One could tell that from watching. Great! I am also a glider pilot (1000+ hrs mostly in a Std Libelle) Greetings from Germany.
Rainer Buege Wait how could you tell that from watching this?!
What was harder the landing or listing to the passenger?
😂
Luckily the furrows were not that deep. Otherwise flip over if landing like that across them. Good touchdown though.
There were no furrows. While planted in the perpendicular direction there was not any furrows. Now the field before had 1' furrows in it. That one wasn't going to work
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Reminds me when i was a student pilot in my south american country. We used to do simulated forced landings to 5' and 10" agl over farms. Once a new american CFI giving me a 3 month checkout got scared due i made a 40 degree bank turn to align with a non furrows field. He was not used to be so low or turn while so low. I was.. At only 20 some hours.. LOL..
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 if you have the airspeed, it's no different than turning at 3,000 ft.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Except that i forgot to post that i was at only 200 agl when i did the 40 degree turn to align with a better field. I was used to them due I took GRM training at 500 agl over windy fields. On tailwind turns we did many 45-50 degree steep turns at 500 agl. You get used to them to the point they are fun to do.
Try 20 knot wind GRM eights and 360's to flyovers on the sim first. lots of fun.
Then do the 3 kinds of Turnbacks to a flyover. Turnbacks can be 180 tight U Turns, or teardrop kind or Question Mark Kind or 270 degree turnbacks. Many dont know them and that is why they crash when need to do them. I taught them to many ATP's airline pilots that didnt know them..
Good thing you weren't still at 500 feet over the river, not many options then...
Probably should mention why it stopped?
We were a thousand feet over the river and there's places to go. I always have a field or an option when I'm flying. There were a few points 20 minutes prior that my options were much more limited. I really was glad we were over Ohio corn fields when that happened.
They seem to be more concerned about the cameras and video than anything else.
I can assure you the guy flying was only concerned about the airplane. By the time the plane was on final he was giving flight instruction to the guy with the camera about why the field further away was a better landing spot, knowing the airplane was going to make the point of intended landing. I also know the guy flying had no idea the other guy was filming on the way down. As for the guy filming this was probably a good thing, it occupied him while the forced landing was happening. Another reason it may seem like the video was a high priority was this flight was going to be a video for our channel and being 5 minuets from landing all cameras were rolling just before the engine quit so there was a lot of video to edit from. Once on the ground the guy with the iPhone had the situational awareness to know all was safe and we just recorded an engine failure kept the camera on.
If having that much trouble with that airplane boat anchor engine. Swap out for a V8 out of a car or pickup, get one out of the junk yard and rebuild that then install that on your airplane. There is youtube video shows the conversion over to a V8 or a Japanese car engine and both work very well. There is a number of video‘s on this issue. It be alot better then what you got now
I suspect that you don't see many car engines in airplanes for a reason.
Well done!
Every successful forced landing has a large amount of luck associated with it.
Lindo avião!
You were lucky, crop was dry and ready to harvest not green and heavy where I made my flip over. Over the water with single, no good. EAA 394815
Yeah. Id have not landed in the beans if it was green
The “let’s talk” repeatedly, immediately after would have gotten on my nerves
😂
@@GreatMichiganBushCo oof the tone doesn’t come across well over text but that was a damn fine landing just I would be been so worked up from everything. Great job and video
What happened then? What did the land owner say? How did you get the plane out from the field?
A gear broken the engine. The farmer was a sweetheart, she did a lot to help us. We towed the aircraft on a trailer
@@GreatMichiganBushCo happy end then :)
Have you removed the wings for towing?
@@stenya yes. I have some footage of this. It’s a lot of work, yet a time I will never forget!
how did you transport the plane back?
Was there a determination as to why the engine quit? Nice job with the forced landing sir!
The cam gear broke.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo jeez man! Now that is a showstopper! I use to build engines for Pennyannaero. It’s rare those gears fail. Like I said before, superb airmanship with the engine failure!
@@nateg6320 yeah it stopped so clean and quick I knew deep down there was no chance it was going to restart. I still went through the motions. Good engines by the way I've flown behind a few.
at such an altitude and speed isnt it better to forget about turning on the engine and try to find a place to land asap?
I was over farm land and sure in the heck didn't want to maybe ball up the plane or have a passenger injured because someones knee bumped the mixture, magneto, or fuel selector. A restart attempt in a single is about an 8 second procedure, right? Mixture rich, throttle full, carb heat on, fuel on, magnetos check. If one of those restarted the engine it would be a lot safer than an engine out into an unknown field.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo I see I see I just thought that one doesnt want an engine restart to fail and then to find yourself at a much lower speed where you cant even make a turn without stalling and have lost alot of alt by that point too.
Thats how I was thinking
I have knowledge about aviation and aircraft behaviour but Im not a Pilot so with my evaluation I thought that was safer
@@rama7267 you keep your airspeed up while you're trying to restart the engine. The whole trick is to never get slow.
Is that plane a write off - guy says no damage to the airplane... but all stuff hitting the undercarriage etc etc ....always wondered?
Is there some sort of special plane/engine rebuild to ensure you're safe going up again?
There was no damage to the airplane. We took the wings off trailered it to hanger repaired the engine and had it in the air 3 weeks later.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Good news - thanks for the reply.
Out of curiosity, did you depart from 1D2?
No, I have flown out 1D2 a few times.
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Perfect
Thanks
What was the fix to get out of the bean field
A flatbed truck
What was the cause of engine failure?
There was a broken gear in the engine.
well i will in a another week stuffing a new engine in it and prop,new radios were done this last winter. then off we go into the wild blue
I know that's a great feeling. Can't wait to see it in the air!
Did you do a video of the take off from that bean field? Great job by the way!
We pulled the wings off and towed it out. What a project! Wish I could have tossed a motor on to fly it out.
i know of a S 108 with a rod thru the case up here in Alaska in the Bush, been there maybe 50 plus years, Not a big fan of Franklin engines. put a O470 in a 108 then you have a fine airplane
I think the Lycoming O360 is a better choice for many reasons including weight, CG, and field burn. Makes it an honest aircraft. The problem with this engine was the problem Franklin's had for a while and it was shotty maintenances because of parts and mechanics who knew how to work on them. The internet has solved both of those problems, while not the perfect engine they are more reliable in generally today than a few decades ago. That being said I have an 360 STC for mines and am waiting till this winter to put it on
So what caused the problem?
We broke a gear in the engine. Manufacturing floss 70 years ago.
What was wrong with the engine? Why did it stop?
There was a failed internal gear. The flaw was unable to be identified without an engine tear down.
So how much for a 108 Stinson with a blown Franklin? 😊😊
We fix it, was flying 4 weeks later with a full IRAN.
What ended up being the issue? Fuel?
Not fuel, that's an unforgivable sin in aviation. An internal gear broke in two.
That's it? Did you fly it out of there?
No, it went out on a trailer a week later.
there's a option called "slew mode" in case you're ever in a pinch 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hu?
Did you end up making a video of the recovery and repairs? And a debrief ?
Not yet. I have some footage I could put together. It was difficult to film because we were doing so much work
Totally get it .
Well thanks for the replt
Wait, so did the farmer actually ask for $12 for the damaged beans?
No, we came to the agreement I’d fly back after the plane was repaired and give them a airplane ride. A couple of the kids had their first ride in an airplane right out of their own backyard, just like the old barnstorming days.
@@GreatMichiganBushCo Good agreement there, as the comment "no property damage" wasn't quite accurate -- those not in ag do not consider crop damage to be property damage. Fortunately the beans were ready to harvest.
I'm no expert but it looks like a good outcome to me.
I considered it a good outcome. The plane was back in the air 3 weeks later.
No flap?
I sure didn't need more drag, I hit my spot within just a couple feet. With more flaps I'd have shown up short.
So how did you get it out of there?
Took the wings off and tailored it.