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The "set restart rule" has a lot to answer for. It works OK if the two teams are of equal ability. However, once there is an imbalance, one team has to stretch the rules to keep up. They are then punished by "restarts". It is a feedback loop. Understandably the heads then go down and players lose interest.
@@BBDA-CLEAR Clubs go through waves though... apart from the Storm noone has been successful for 20 years straight... and even then, due to their salary cap scandal they had a wooden spoon next to their name. Broncos had their first a couple years back as did Manly before them... all power houses in the early 2000's. Penrith and Rabbitohs were terrible for a long while. Poor administration, poor recruiting all has something to do with it... but the point is, it's practically impossible to stay successful because when you win... and your players contracts run out, they go else where for much more money
@@maxpower5573 well I don't know what you call success , the Roosters have been in 8 grand finals in 20 odd years , including 2000-2002 3 and 4 .
2010 , 13 and back to back 18 and 19 . If that's not success well who do you support . No other club besides the Melbourne Storm has even come close . But it's hard being a rooster supporter , unfortunately many supporters of unsuccessful clubs have that green eyed monster in them , it's called jealousy and envy .
I'm not saying that's you take care buddy
I agree, before V'LANDYS ruined the game with six agains teams and players got a small break through penalties which lets them get their head together and concentration back. Now it's non stop very fast football with the smallest of errors leading to the opposition scoring tries. It's not only physically tiring but mentally as well. All team sports or most anyway, have penalties and stoppages which is normal but V'LANDYS has decided the most physically demanding game in the world is not going to have normal stoppages, he's just insane as these rules have created much more head collision due to the pace and non stop play as the players and refs can't keep up to this speed.
totally agree
@@peterbulloch4328 spot on mate
The thing with Rugby League is that speeding up the game will always make the better teams harder to beat. I remember when the ten metre defensive rule was first introduced in the early 90s. At that time it was the Broncos and Raiders who were the strongest teams, and they regularly racked up cricket scores against their opponents who simply couldn't keep up with the pace of the game for 80 minutes.
Then teams started to find ways to slow the game down through wresting in tackles and taking as long as they could get away with to clear rucks and give their defence a second or two longer to recoup after each tackle. The result was that the top teams came back to the field a little bit and for a few years, the games on the whole were a lot closer.
Over the last few years we've had a desire from the game's administration to speed things up again, and the consequence is that once again, the lesser teams are finding it harder to compete with the top teams, and we have endless debates about "blowout results" every week.
It seems to me that the game faces a continual trade off between having a fast-paced game, or having an even game. In time, coaches will find a way to slow the game down, even within the framework of the current rules. Games will get a little closer on the whole, and then some administrator will want to speed the game up again, an we'll see the whole circle repeat.
This is a nice insight. Sounds about right to me.
In theory a salary cap should make teams even but it just doesn't work out that way. Just look at the NFL, the difference between 1st and 32nd is huge and it's a salary cap league.
The only way lower teams can compete is to make the game less about skill, the way to do that is slow it down.
Wow, teams wrestled to slow the play the ball down before Melbourne Storm invented it!!
I totally agree with Gus’s point about the season being too long. We don’t need more than 20 rounds to find the best 8 teams for the finals. Condense the season to accommodate more rep footy.
And when we get to 18 teams, go to 17 rounds to play each other once - then the following year flip the home/away allocation.
The point is why do all the great players gravitate towards great
Clubs . They often play for a lot less
To receive a lot more , VICTORY. !!!
The cowboys completely destroy their argument. Finished near the bottom last year and were contenders for the spoon this year.
Haha since when is the spoon the minor premiership
And your statement makes no sense bro no finals games have been played coming 2nd on the ladder doesnt mean anyrhing they could go out after 2 loses in finals easy as
@@thatwogcznt8578 straight over your head.
Also the Cowboys have unearthed some huge talents from 'nowhere' this year. There's players out there, they're just not yet getting a run. Nanai for one.
@@thatwogcznt8578 you're a special kind of special.
Typical overreaction by nrl pundits/journalists, if this weekend we had all low scoring games they’d overact to and say it’s a huge issue
Exactly ! Its been 1 round of blow outs
I’ve always said it, NRL should give ALL players a base salary and then bonus for winning. There is motivation enough. The guy who earns $800k doesn’t give a crap if he wins or loses.
He won't be on 800k for long if he's not helping a team win matches.
@@Richard-dd6sv Darius Boyd? But you what I mean. Players chase the highest bidder, there’s no loyalty to a club
The issue with squeezing the competition to 12 and removing the bottom 4 as motivation to play is that a team like Cowboys can make bottom 2 them shoot to top 2 the next season
There are much more problems than just that... less teams means less games meaning less broadcast and even less money for the game.. where do the bottom 4 teams go? if they go to Q cup or NSW Cup they will just destroy them which then ruins the lower competitions. If you rest your players for a year, that club will basically go broke and players would probably opt to leave even if it means going to England over having to get Q cup money for a whole year
I agree with the idea of inconsistency from season to season, cowboys are a good example as you mentioned. Club management is another big issue for the bottom teams and not necessarily a development issue. Tigers are a great example of this. They have good junior development programs and consistently find great talent but the club mismanages and coaches poorly to the point that you could have benji/robbie, ado carr, moses, papenhausen and tedesco on the same team and not even make finals. These good players get sick of it and move to other clubs - as is their right to do so for their careers. The club is then left with unmotivated or less than top performing players shall we say.
The reason there is a lack of talent in the NRL is that it has completely failed to grow in 24 years. Since 1998 when the NRL banner was first flown. The NRL has added 3 teams. The 1st in 1998 with the Melbourne storm. Then again in 2007 with the Gold Coast titans, now they’re doing it again in 2023 with the Redcliffe dolphin. The sheer fact of the matter is this, since they put a team in Melbourne the NRL has only created 2 more teams and both in south east Queensland, now I’m sure this makes New South Wales clubs happy, but it does absolutely nothing to grow the game. All they’ve really done is go
“wow I put to much weight on my right leg and it broke, the logical thing to do now is put to much weight on my left and break that too, it’s only fair”
You want a better competition with more great games, you absolutely must expand the competition to non traditional regions in order pick up kids from regions that would never have played rugby league. The problem isn’t the number of teams the problem is where the teams are and the nrl wants to divide dwindling numbers from the same old places among more clubs.
@@BBDA-CLEAR what? Adelaide Rams and Western Reds didn't fail, they were forced out of the competition to reduce from 20 to 14 teams
@@BBDA-CLEAR Just not true... every club has marquee players... the great clubs have the ability to sign players for less meaning they have more overall talent... but Cowboys were wooden spoon contenders and with the signing of Townsend and a few no names... look at em go. This year's success hasn;t been on the back of ther million dollar man Taumalolo... no way. But even when they were bottom 4 last year.. they had Taumalolo so your argument is wrong in the sense that every club has great players.. some have more than others, some clubs turn good players into great players etc
@@maxpower5573 I absolutely agree with you , so I don't know where you're coming from. The cowboys is a great example of nurturing talent and buying good players at the right price and making them great .
However the fact remains in the last 20 odd years there have been 2 clubs that have been in the grand final 17 times , the Roosters and the
Storm and that's excluding the storms salary cap wroughting .
Remember this all stems from the head office. Notice the once great clubs like Canterbury Balmain Newcastle Parramatta and Manly
Have had major problems in the head office for many years .
Take care buddy !
100%, the problem is Club distribution. Half of the competition is STILL Sydney or near enough based, that's the ridiculous part.
@@BBDA-CLEAR You said that good players gravitate to good clubs.. and I disagree. I think the better clubs have more great players sure, but they gravitate towards money more than anything. Before Connor Watson taking less money to go to the Roosters over the Knights... the last player to do that was probably Brett Stewart and co back in the mid 2000s.. and when DCE wasn't willing to take less, the club had to start sending players elsewhere.
Each Club has expensive players and great players... some clubs have more, but that doesn't neccesarily mean success either.. clubs like Melbourne make average players seem better and vice versa. Some teams have a bunch of rep players but are doing nothing.. aka Titans with Tino, Fifita, Proctor (up until recently), some of the most damaging forwards in the game, they got dominated even with all 3 of them. QLD reps and NZ rep.
Wests Tigers have shown they can beat the top teams.
But they have already signed of and planning the team end of year trip.
Rugby is playing its part in player distribution and AFL. Numbers are down and its a fact of life. As much of a NRL Fan that I am! YOU'VE Got competition. The distribution of good players is thinning out so agree with Gus re expansion player COSTS etc. So you are left with the rest who are just not upto the mark! This includes club coaches, administrators and players. You get what you get!
I feel the answer is that the teams who won’t make the 8 should play each other before finals start.
Yes the players should also have pride in their jerseys & just like the Tigers this year, when players essentially give up you’ll keep seeing blow out scores.
Reward clubs for players who are loyal or are local juniors who want to play for their local NRL club. Then you get teams full of players who are welded onto the jersey and lift accordingly - like QLD do in State of Origin.
I've never seen a time when the gap between the top four or five clubs and the rest is as big.
Have two conferences .. with eight teams each. The minor premiers from the 2nd Tier are guaranteed promotion and the bottom team from the 1st Tier relegation ( after 3 rounds or 21 games). The finals are just the top four teams from each Tier, perhaps you could have home and away semi finals then final at a premier venue. Gallen is right, at the moment there is no pressure on the lower teams and it hurts the value of the product.
I like the concept of relegation, but as Gal touched on it's not possible atm with the NRL.
If you were to separate it to 2 conferences, how would you divide that? Top 8 and Bottom 8?
If so, you're saying coming 9th is better than coming 8th... because 9th gets promoted and 8th gets relegated.. it makes no sense... and then you'd see teams throwing because it might be in their interest to come 9th rather than 8th.
@@maxpower5573 That's easy mate - just set the two conferences at the start of the year based on the previous year's results (top 8/bottom 8) and have the top 4-5 teams in each 8-team conference have their own separate playoffs (one for the title, one for promotion - and the bottom team in the top conference gets relegated). Have the teams in each conference play each other home and away (i.e. 14 games) and the teams in the other conference once (half home and half away - i.e. 8 games). Then there is a separate ledger for each conference, and each team is motivated to do as well as it can in its own conference. There will also be a preponderance of games between evenly matched sides (and the season - i.e. 22 rounds - will be a couple of weeks shorter then too). If that were the system even my lousy Warriors would still be in the hunt for a promotion to the top 8 next year - i.e. everything still to play for. The addition of a 17th team, alas, ruins everything. )
@@JonathanKeir I do get where you're coming from but I'd still have several concerns. The main one being if you came 9th or 10th aka 2nd in the lower conference.. you have 0 chance to win the premiership the following year, I think that's quite disheartening for fans. For sure, if your team is 13th 14th and you're hunting for a promotion that could be motivating for that team and their fans.. but imagine your team comes 10th purely based on for and against.. and 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th all have the same competition points. Not to mention there are games like the Tigers v Cowboys where the Tigers got absolutely conned in the dying seconds..
The conference system you mention would mean that the Broncos and the Cowboys who were bottom 4 last year, would not be allowed to challenge for the premiership this year aka look at where the Cowboys are at. Same with the Bulldogs next year despite their new roster and coach etc. Look at the Sharks as well, they came 9th last year and it looks like the competition will likely be won between Panthers, Storm, Cows or Sharks. Your system would have the 2 of the better teams this year playing for a promotion instead.
Gallen is in no mans land when it comes to ideas and solutions, they must pair him up with Gus just to air an arguement. It must be something like that because it's as rare as a tazzy tiger that he comes up with anything sensible to add.
Either cut it back to 10 teams or split the comp. Bottom team of the top devision drops back and top team in bottom devision goes up. Then build the grass roots system
Personally would like an idea of playoff + relegation system implemented to add more meaningful games in a season.
So for 17 teams next year, have a regular season of 16 round where each team faces each other once. Each team to take a home game to a regional area as they do. Scrap pre season games and start regular season in mid Feb to get in front of every other sport as cricket ends and afl doesn't start until mid match. Each round could represent something like we have at the moment, I.e. women in league round, retro round etc. By end of regular season, state of origin series would end as well, similar to timing of now. Also have all stars games to start season, in first week of February as per normal.
Once the regular season and state of origin series end, then start a playoff series. This would be like a top 8/10/12 where they go into a round 2 phase to play for finals series. I'd say top 12 would be good as we get 6 nrl games a week and gives more teams a chance who would still make the 8/finals at this stage of the season. The games involving top 12 from regular season would carry into playoffs so no games are a waste. This would ideally start around early July and end by early September so likely all grounds would be available given no other major sport would require grounds unless the odd rugby union or soccer international.
For the teams that don't make playoffs, they go back to reserve grade and try and win a comp for nsw/qld cup. This allows them to develop better, win a reserve grade competition not many players get a chance to win and strengthen the talent across the other competitions. The would give fans something to follow and can still broadcast a game or 2 a week.
After playoff series, have a final series of top 8 as per normal. 4 week finals series as current and get to the grand final.
This would lead to around 203 games, similar to current format. Season would be over 31 weeks, about 1-2 weeks longer than current season but season would start earlier in February and can cut down on pre season training that is usually gruelling all round. Implement bye rounds during origin series and maybe another bye round from playoffs until finals series to give players a break. Ideally 2-3 bye rounds where possible.
Salary cap would have to be adjusted but this could allow for more financial and footy incentives based on performance and can make competition more interesting with more purpose and meaning implemented.
This would also give time for international footy at the end of the year from mid October to mid November for most seasons where possible.
Just my thoughts but keen to hear feedback.
I have a couple of unpopular opinions but I'm going to air them here.
First of all, Instead of Redcliffe, it should have been two new teams entering the league over the span of a couple of years. Giving Adelaide another shot, Rockhampton or Bundaberg to help develop the region and capitalise on the talent in the region or even PNG (who are already are in the QLD cup) where Rugby League is nearly a religion and it would help stabilise the region.
Give more time and recognition to the grassroots by having more games played at Rural grounds (build a bigger, better community before profits) as well as giving the QLD and NSW cups more airtime and assistance to help develop talent and making it easier for gifted talent from those competitions to showcase their talents. What would fit with this is have all games fit in the schedule of Friday night (2 Games), Saturday (Lunch, Afternoon and Dinner Games) and Sunday (Lunch, Afternoon and Dinner Games) (if we can make it work for Magic Round, why can't we make it work every weekend?).
Building on the previous point and adding to it. With Origin and the 'regular' season, keep it in June & July but give the players in the teams a week or two to recover. During this time I would have Resident's Month. Four weeks worth of games where the best and brightest from the QLD & NSW cups play in the NRL to showcase their talent and showcase the development of their respective cups.
With concerns to the various special rounds (apart from Magic Round) that we have, we should have SIX. The Women in League Round, The Retro Round, The Indigenous Round, The ANZAC Round, The Superhero Round (Support Kids Health Foundations and Hospitals) and Men's Mental Health Round (Support Men's Mental Health Organisations).
Increase the salary cap a bit and institute a Draft System like the AFL has to encourage proper team development and reduce the amount of players switching teams part way through a season. Also this would help teams that find themselves at the bottom of the table as the talent pool would then be more evenly distributed. Also give clubs an incentive to keep talent instead of having Journeyman players where they play for 4 or 5 different clubs in the span of their career.
When it comes time for the end of the year and the final series, give all clubs a week's rest and then with those that didn't make the top 8 have exibition matches in rural areas (Rockhampton, Tamworth, Wagga Wagga, Darwin) or even to potential expansion areas (Adelaide, Perth, Christchurch, Port Moresby) to spread the love of Rugby League around. With everyone hyped up for the finals, it would also be an ideal time to advertise several International Rugby League games to take place around the stadiums starting a week after the grand final with the first game taking place in either Townsville, Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne or at Mt Smart; depending on who wins the Grand Final.
Complete agreement with gus and sometimes Gal just dont not another word needed to be spoken after gusses thoughts
maybe each team plays each other once. After that divide the top 8 from the bottom teams. Top 8 play each other once. Once that is completed the bottom or maybe 2 bottom teams drops to the bottom teams and the top 2 teams from the bottom teams go into the top 8 and into the finals series. probably needs tweaking in there somewhere
Easy answer abolish the current salary cap and only put a cap on poaching players make any player who an actual development club brought through exempt from the cap for that club and that doesn't include clubs like the Roosters signing 16 to 19 yr olds and adding the finishing touches
Broncos and Panthers would decimate the competition then, because they have the money and the development.
@@DabDabGoose Yea but it’d force the rest of the competition to actually pull their fingers out why should a handful of clubs at best essentially be feeder clubs
@@jest3167 half the competition is not in the right area to get talent, Roosters will never get consistent talent in the eastern suburbs, storm would have zero chance getting a stream of players in Melbourne, Manly moved their feeder team to blacktown for a reason, the vast majority of talent in Rugby league is in Western Sydney and SEQ.
I think the biggest issue is the game isn't supported by schools, the amount of schools that have Rugby even compared to league is insane and league has way more interest, the NRL has been negligent in development even before the clubs can have a say.
@@DabDabGoose All you done is highlight that there's too many Sydney teams and for all the accolades the Storm and Bellamy get they haven't produced any players from Victoria
@@jest3167 yes but the talent isn't increasing, where do you think all those players come from?
I like 25 rounds because I want as much league as possible, but a 20 round season with a 5 week international/origin window? Happy either way, but for Gus to say they can't handle 25 rounds is nuts
my thoughts basically
12 teams, home and away format plus top 4 play off with demotion/promotion system, and add an extra division, then bottom 2 or 3 drop and top 2 or three from lower div are promoted. Grow the game nationally that way, give 10 years and you will have a truly National League. It has worked with other codes everywhere else.
Um only Soccer has relegation doesn't it? I don't see it in Baseball, Basketball, American or Canadian Football, Rugby etc.
get rid of 3rd party payments and create a some what even salary cap you might find a better spread of talent or reward teams for developing players through cap relief on their juniors
There shouldn't be a minimum salary cap. If a team such as the Tigers or Warriors can only assemble a roster that's worth 7m a year, then they should be able to pay out that figure and save the rest. That way a roster full of average players does not get overcompensated for their efforts and the club can quickly build a war chest of several million dollars to buy a few standout players, like a Latrell or Teddy.
This would even up the competition greater than anything suggested here. Currently clubs have to spend a certain amount of their cap, remove this limitation.
Easiest thing in the world to stop blowouts. Simply have the scoring team kick off. That will prevent teams scoring every 4-5 tackles and the losing team having to defend for 70% of the game.
The NRL needs fewer teams, not more teams. 20 games maximum.
Another idea would be that the top 8 teams from the previous season play each other for the first 8 rounds and the bottom 8 play each other,, at least it gives a chance for the bottom 8 to start with equal enough competition.. because imagine the team that comes last plays the top 4 teams in the first 4 rounds and finds themselves not only with a 4-0 loss record, but possibly a -50 or more for and against,,
The season isn't too long, but the draw is absolutely screwed. Teams playing each other only a few weeks apart etc ... Not playing teams twice or playing the harder teams twice and not the lower teams. The draw is a joke.
Penrith quite like it though, hardly leave Sydney, play Melbourne in Brisbane not Melbourne and on and on,....the NRL schedule is a farce.
For Gus to say teams can't play that long is ridiculous!
The money should be incentive enough for Weidler and Gallen to string a few coherent ideas together every once in a while. I'm not saying they're intentionally rubbish but perhaps we need to come up with a consequence to poor performance in order to lift their game. Maybe they should be relegated and replaced with Denan Kemp and the Hello Sport boys.
I'd rather listen to the beak and the hello sport lads any day of week.
Mainstream media is dead
Well, if we go to say 12 teams like Gal said, that's an extra 5-6 teams to go into a Tier 2 comp, which opens up the ability to have the relegation system. If done right (NRL doing something right? We're dreaming), we could have an atmosphere like they do in England for EPL/EFL, where games in the EFL have insane crowd numbers, and people care about the games near the end of the season. Could work if done properly, but I doubt the NRL could manage it well enough to get to that stage.
okay so what happens if a team like Melbourne Brisbane or Newcastle is relegated? Promotion and relegation is simply not viable in Australian RL
if you get beaten by 40 or let in 50 points you lose 25% match or weekly payment, that will give them something to play for
The way it should work is every team is in the NRL, like Souths Logan, Burleigh, etc, and the teams are matched week by week based on how well the teams are going -- this would be assessed based on a variety of factors. So if you do well as a Newtown Jets you might get to play the Panthers, but only if you're doing pretty well. If you're playing badly you get matched with an equal team. This way all of these regional or non-NRL teams get publicity and you get kids turning up to the clubs to play knowing that it's the real deal, even if they're playing second grade at those clubs, and those clubs draw in rugby league players at a level of granularity. At a level where it seems possible, because it is, so players will have a go and maybe make the first grade team. So what I'm saying is, rather than having this sort of engineered competition that is prohibitive and not attractive to kids who don't necessarily feel like NRL stars, have a huge comp where players come from everywhere and are developed by the club they play with and anything could happen. That's what it should be. Our population is plenty big enough. You've just got to have clever people working out how to arrange it. Obviously there are huge practical issues like planning travel but perhaps your standing in one week determines your opponent three weeks later, so there's time to prepare. That would be pretty thrilling I think.
It's all about coaching not many good ones out there, coaching is the key, a good coaching changes the whole thing
100%... look at Broncos after they got rid of Bennet... the club never had a wooden spoon, they had only missed finals 2 years in a row once or something like that(I think when Lockyer retired).. and then they went to wooden spoon getting 60 put on them a week despite a huge amoutn of people having them in their grandfinal in 2019 or 2020.
This is nothing new, as a kid 25 years ago the tigers would get beat by 50 regularly
Whilst there is nothing to play for other than pride and for the fans, teams that don’t make the 8 at this time of year clearly switch off to some degree. And obviously don’t want to risk injury so late in the season. A relegation structure would be ideal but the NRL have killed that opportunity by not investing in the game. Very frustrating as a fan of the game.
Financial penalty for the club who receives the wooden spoon..
Financial incentives or bonus points or salary cap incentives for bottom 8 teams at the end of the season. They need something to play for, you don't need to reinvent the wheel by reshaping the competition
There isn't a lack of players. It's a lack of coaches and a proper reserve grade that has hampered the comp. In saying that between 2009 and 2021 every team actually made the finals with 14 different teams contesting grand finals and having a chance at victory. Only the Titans and Knights failed to make a GF in that period. Which in reality isn't as bad as they make out. The better coaches just get it done more regularly and have more stable rosters. A couple of new teams will hamper that by stealing players.
This will really affect Melbourne who for some reason, after 25 years and a billion dollars still can't develop players from anywhere in Victoria. The kids from QLD they pick from will soon have 2 other clubs to choose from, near home and family. Causing them to turn the TV off down south when they eventually struggle. They certainly won't stop playing. They never started.
I agree the whole ‘sack the coach and that will fix everything’ mentality needs to stop. Its just not that simple. Trainers and club administrators don’t seem to get looked at when things aren’t going well. Ultimately its the players as well. They’re the ones on the field and yeah they need to be held accountable if the team is not performing yknow.
That’s what they mean by lack of players, they don’t mean a lack of absolute numbers they mean a lack of development of nrl quality players. This is why they mention the national youth comp, that’s where players would develop into nrl standard players
@@andocobo A youth competition makes great kids but doesn't make a NRL player. Players and coaches are not developing into NRL standard because of the gap between NRL and state cup quality is too great and disjointed. Reserve grade used to fill the void efficiently for both coaches and players. But since it was eliminated Australia has slipped from 1st to the 4th ranked country in the world. The kid cups and state cups while helpful don't provide enough development quality to feed the NRL like reserve grade used too do. Talented kids need a better introduction to the NRL than getting called up from park footy feeder clubs or a junior competition. They need some hardened opposition in a stable team environment where most of their fellow players and coaches have something on the line and some club culture as well.
19 reserve and a grade.. that’s how u fix it.
There are good potential nrl players in the NSW and QLD cups
I dont watch League every week and it's kind of boring but the game that's more fun to watch is AFL and I think more people have switched over to that sport.
Gus agrees with Gal!!!! Steady my beating heart!😁
There’s nothing for nrl to do bust get rid of all this bs rules with 6 again and stuff. It’s ruining the game.
Also the nrl should be in charge of the juniors in every club and take it away from the club. It’s in best interest for everyone, clubs, nrl, players and fans.
1st grade, Reserves grade under 23s Was the best all playing from 10am till 5pm at the same ground family atmosphere
Now its 1 game all hype and talk
No one getting dropped no one coming up
Why worry just take the money and run..
NRL is brilliant to watch but the one-sided matches are less so. You feel bad for the team that is whipped.
It's probably natural in competitions however? You see it in other sports.
Definitely INVEST in YOUTH CLUBS and also in EXPANDING.
Scrap the 6 again rule. It's heavily overused and most of the time players and fans don't even know why it's given
Theres always going to be a top 8 and a bottom 8 why are we acting like its a problem.Thats what the salary cap is there for.Before 2020 Penrith was irrelevant and now theyre up the top last few years.
Ah, nah. Penrith during the seasons 2017 to 2021 won 66% of their games and ranked 3rd in the NRL during that time. Four teams won over 60% of their games from 2017 to 2021 - Melbourne, Sydney, Penrith and South Sydney. All four are in the top 8 this season with two in the top four. Consistency right there. And Roosters and Storm have had horrible injury tolls they've overcome last year and this year. Five teams won less than 40% of their games from 2017 to 2021 - Newcastle, Wests, North Queensland, Canterbury and Gold Coast. Four of those are in the bottom five right now, again. Cowboys being the exception.
I beleive teams that don't make the 8 should not have to pay the full salary of its top 17 players. This way they can put money on any available player they want at seasons end. Their needs to be a consequence for not performing. This way the top 8 will not have as much to entice new players every year.
How about we the bottom 8 teams play for a second tier trophy for eg Clive Churchill plate something to keep them motivated and to know there is also prize money for it same format as top eight but no rests
9 plays 12 and so on then have a final decider for them on GF night like the college teams in NFL they have cotton Bowl orange bowl something like that having teams come back end of season who don't have the enthusiasm and motivation to keep interested anyway it's just conversation anyone have any ideas cheers 👍
Re-structure player payments to wins. Give 'em all a base rate, a living wage if you like. the rest is up for grabs based on Wins. No win, no bonus,.....
It’s literally effort, etc tigers have beaten eels rabbits, broncos, but are still bottom, cowboys are the example, most of their players are average or were average, they just turn up as a team and play for each other and the results are there
There are good teams, then there are bad teams then there's 6 feet of crap and everyone else. Solutions discount the cap for retaining development. Season is way too long. Relegation and promotion.
20 rounds with more combined nrl team rep games would but better
Tell the QRL and Broncos to go jump. All NRL Teams need a reserve grade team that's I'm a National Reserve Grade comp administered by the ARLC/NRL. QRL can still manage the QCup. NSWRL can still manage an updated NSW Cup with Wentworthville, North Sydney, Wollongong, Central Coast, Newcastle etc.
Reduced wages if a team loses by more than 16 points. West tigers would have bent their backs a bit better if that was the case. The tackling was pitiful against the roosters.
AFL beat NRL in all areas except Origin. I don't think the NRL is professional.
Comp is way too long for how brutal it is
Players don't play for money. They get paid first and then they play. Sign players for a lower signing fee and add Winnings/finals bonuses to their earnings and you'll see more competition and intensity in matches. Instead of signing for $800k, sign for $600k and offer $15k a win & $50k on top for making the top 8.
The players should be paid minimum wage, and the rest of their salary based on performance quota's. If players are slugged $500 everytime they miss a tackle, they will start showing up every game.
Gus hit the nail on the head, they are footballers that get paid good money to do what they do. If they cant get up till round 25 they shouldn't be playing. Rugby league has gotten to touchy feely, give them something to play for, how about play for your team, the jersey and your mates.
There's teams have very big sombrero cap 🤣
Bring back my magpies!
They all fire up when coming off contract and they asking for big bucks. Then they slack off again. There has to be some sort of incentive for winning and penalty for losing. Some of these guys get paid $20,000 per week..just to play a game for 80 minutes.
Everyone just needs to harden up and get over it
Get a draft in. That’s what will solve a lot of problems.
Season to long
We have enough players
Adelaide and Perth teams
Equity will triple
I'll give you the down payment
Have a Draft….
And before anyone says “you can’t”, please explain why you “can’t”.
Because of course you “can”
whats a draft?
Lilli, is your question a serious one?
Happy to explain if it is…
@@mattfuller7313 yea it is
You should only be allowed to develop and bring up talent from your own Area.Penrith obviously have a greater area to choose from,but as a Warriors supporter we have a country.But understandably some boys will go to Aussie clubs or play Rugby Union rather than come to the Warriors.
Then the roosters would only have 3 local clubs to develop talent with hahaha
Bring back international footy... and break for Origin?
"Money talks bulls**t walks"
Nino Brown
Roosters are pretty dumb for not letting go of the pedal, they should know if they win by that many points, it would affect the interest of the entire game,
They should scrap the long term contracts and give only 1 year contracts, and if your good enough, you extend your contract for the next year! The NRL will be so much more competitive! This would get the best out of players✊🏾
that would make more sense cuz the amount they pay some players and there performance u wasting ur money
@@lillithebanana very true some players just don’t deserve it
@@biggeesamson591 yea like I understand a bad game every 6 ish games cause that’s normal but consistently not performing well and being payed heaps it’s a waste of money
Why not have a two division playoff series with the top 8 and bottom 8 playing off with money or incentives of some kind offered to the winners of the second division playoffs? This keeps these bottom 8 teams still with something to play for, perhaps the players get bonus money from the NRL for the position they finish at in the finals? Money talks and bs walks, not all players are on the big contract money and perhaps a percentage of the money goes to a charity of THEIR choice instead of being FORCED to wear jerseys they are NOT proud of by V'LANDYS.
They need to lower the salary cap so the top teams can't keep 8-10 top tier players , because then they will need to go to the "lesser" teams to earn more money, and thus making the competition more competitive.
Nah, that's not the right idea, unless of course you're offering some salary cap exemptions for players who were developed through the Juniors pathways at the clubs. The only way to incentivise these clubs investing in players development rather than poaching top talent from other teams is to keep the salary cap high enough to pay all of them, or offer exceptions for long-term players at the club.
That makes no sense
No
Mate lowering the salary cap means player making less $$$ we going to lose top tier player to French rugby!!!
Make it win-lose payments, the team's that don't win many games this season have more cash to buy better players next season, plus more insensitive for individuals to play well.🤔
Dumbest idea anyones ever come up with. Making it more profitable to lose games? Cmon mate think before you type/speak.
@@jaishwnd8609 you think the players will purposely lose so the club gets to keep the money not them. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
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Send the kids to the Bulldogs 'cos since 2004 it's gonna be their year
Gus V Gal is a bludgeoning on Gal every time
Aspects of the game need a reset, eg, where the whole team and the spectators are punished through the actions of one person, like a send off or sin bin, there should be a full team on the field at all times. Punish the player at the judiciary not everyone else! Referee by video review only, it is how the game has evolved just like NFL. The proof is in challenge stats which shows how many times the referee is wrong which also indicates how many games are won on the back of wrongful rulings due to the flow of the game being altered. All that is needed for the video review panel is extra ground markings. As Gal stated, less teams as the talent is too stretched, create a second competition running parallel and televised in the same manner, this would also give opportunity to so many more players that drop out of the system due to the existing political situation, have you not noticed the bloodlines, many are given opportunities mere mortals never have, not on skill sets but family ties! Review the rules and in some cases revert eg, play the man, not the ball. Stealing the ball is a bad look for this great game.
less games less money from nine & fox
So here is the answer, every team only plays each once, so 15 rounds to decide top 8, home and away games alternate biannually, every game will matter, make every match up in the top 8 finals a best of 3 game mini series, held over 3 weekends, so more finals games to watch
well 16 cuz dolphins are gonna be a thing sadly i dont get the point in adding a team
NFL has more teams & only has 17 rounds, I believe you should play every team play each other once & have 22 teams, Example
NSW 6
North Sydney Bears
Sydney Roosters
West Sydney Panthers
South Sydney Rabbitohs
North NSW Knights
South NSW Dragons
QLD 6
North Brisbane Dolphins
West Brisbane Tigers
Brisbane Broncos
South Brisbane Jets
North Queensland Cowboys
South Queensland Titans
WA 2
West Coast Magpies
Perth Sea Eagles
SA 2
Adelaide Sharks
Port Adelaide Eels
Victoria 2
Melbourne Storm
South Melbourne Bulldogs
ACT 2
Canberra Raiders
NZ 3
Auckland Warriors
Wellington Rams
Christchurch Chiefs
Gus is beating around the right bush (as usual).
Here's a novel idea ~ fire the slackers and get new blood in. You're on the bottom of the table what exactly do you have to lose? And Gallens been knocked in the head too many times by the sounds of things banging on and on about there not being any talent.
Gus and his "young people today" tropes. Giving up when you have nothing to fight for isn't a generational issue, what does changing a phone plan have to do with football? He is the Karen of the NRL.
The NRL needs a draft. Rather than it be a free for all on who can offer the most money or give false promises to up n coming youngsters bring in a draft system
Terry Hill made the draft untenable
How about playing each team TWICE that's why the NRL is a joke of a competition
Solution. 1. Every Team must have a development team going starting in high school leading into under 20 s.
2. We need to look at developing teams from the Island Nations, Tonga, Fiji, New guinea,etc.
3.If you are a player in a team that finishes in a bottom 8 team you lose 20% of your wages next season. And this should carry over to the new team if you change clubs.
4.A new team entering the comp can not poach players from other teams even if out of contract. This would mean they have to put effort into developing players prior to playing.
This would be a start towards improvement.
The fear of relegation will keep them playing to the end of the season.
What if you introduce a draft system like the NFL?
But you'd have to draft them at 15-16yrs old
@@michaelgoodwin1239 That early? What about 18-20? Pluck them from just below first grade, whatever thats called?
To many Sydney teams thats the problem
Hey get rid of 6 again right effn now ....it's a effn joke what r we even doing ere .....no 1 knows what the eff is going on ...6 again is killing league ...there is enough talent for rugby league just not enough for ref-by league....flops
Phil Gould always knows all,or thinks he does.He is the biggest blowhard in rugby league.
I rather listen to Gus than that moron who talks bout nothing Brad Fittler
He generally knows more than everyone else
teams they should keep
panthers.
sharks.
cowboys.
rabbitohs.
st. george illawarra.
west tigers.
sea eagles.
roosters.
broncos.
eels.
bulldogs.
warriors.
The Titans will never work they never have , the warriors should be an absolute Powerhouse , unfortunately
They never fail to disappoint .
Titans 😆
@@BBDA-CLEAR i agree, titans are dogwater, they have always been last or atleast second last
@@BBDA-CLEAR ima change it to the sea eagles
Aha
Lol this game is dying can't you see it
We don’t need more teams , we need less. There should be a tiered reserve grade competition that is funded by the NRL with a draft and relegation.
I don’t agree with Gal as I believe Relegation is EXACTLY what we need for teams like the Wests Tigers and Gold Coast who have been useless for years… it puts the onus on development.
Gal wants 12 teams so take out all the Sydney teams, two teams in Sydney that's all seems fair
Rubbish product if you want excitement watch the AFL
Get rid of the 6 again. Can't watch this game anymore it's been ruined
Rubbish nonsense