How Do You Untangle Christianity From White Supremacy? | Why I Don't Go (Season 2 Episode 8)
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- Five young adults who have left the church sit down for a candid conversation with Lisa Fields in Washington, DC to discuss why they don't go.
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Edited by: Lance Asper
Filmed by: Scott Lowery, Luke Asper, and Tom Pottiger
I knew from the first episode that the Brotha on the end of the couch was the thinker and his questions are SERIOUS
This series reminds me of the word that says love the Lord with all our heart, soul mind and strength. He gave us a mind to think with and to ask questions. He can handle our questions and we should be able to handle when others have questions also. I’ve been sharing these talks. Thanks for helping people find the answers to their questions and letting them know it’s ok to have questions.
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Christians are not racists. "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God" (Matthew 5:9).
I have watched and commented on several of these videos; I must say that this one provided some helpful nuggets for any that's struggling with understanding what may be perceived as challenges with the Church. I will conclude with this: There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and seeking out answers, however, it's vitally important that in the quest for answers that they are of The Truth, not just a truth. Anything, no matter how it may seem to appease our questions, if it leads us away from the Lord's Word, which is Truth (even when it's tight), is ultimately a lie and will land us in bondage rather than liberty.
I've been waiting for this episode!!! Thank you, Jude 3!
AWESOME EXCHANGE! POWERFUL! This one is really good/honest.
No struggling in answering these questions…truth! confidence! and humility! I enjoyed each question and answer. I will listen again🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾
This series!!! 🤯 Thank you all for such rich conversation!
I think if we take the Bible as the focus of how we understand the Christian faith, then we further refine that focus to the books of John and Acts, we will be closer to who Jesus is [in John] and how the believers carried on his work [in Acts]. Read them over and over again; focus on what they say and not what you've been taught about them. These books will tear down lots of walls!
Lisa is amazing. That is all.
Praise God and Thank you for this series which I have followed from its start. Questions asked and answered for even an old believer as am I. Wonderful! Blessings! Another COVID blessing!😇
This is my favorite post in the series! Great answers. 👍🏻
This was excellent. Thank you for asking tough questions and offering some clarity.
Oh, wow. This was great! I really love this Q&A format.
“When Jesus was on the earth He couldn’t even get them to be one”😊
Good conversation. Great questions and great response! Good job everyone!
It is not only young adults i am 65 years old Christianity is one of the most divided religion
One of my friends went to USA and went to a white church and they told her that is not her church and direct her to her church
They create this white Jesus for us to worship and we can't worship together
I am more connected to God since I left the church i am more spiritual I heard from God straight without people teaching me how to think. .....
I'm sorry to hear that but those White people are not true Christians. You should not allow that racism to discourage you from attending a Bible believing church. Hebrews 10:25 says we must not forsake the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is. God speed
Very good questions. Great well thought out answers.
In fact, the interview Lisa did with Dr Vince Bantu on this channel is exemplary in how that question should've been answered. He went in on things I hadn't heard since Diaspora class in college over 20 years ago. Definitely worth a listen/watch.
Yes it was!
Great discussion 💯
Really enjoyed the series, thank you.
I enjoyed each episode of this series! 🔥
This is probably the most quasi q&a session I've seen from this series. Bro. Berry ultimately circled back towards the end with a statement that somewhat answers the original question in a general roundabout way. Humans and their relationships are extremely messy whether martial, parental or social. Come along side that understanding with the fact that white supremacy and Christianity are two diametrically opposed cultures. Understanding the parameters of both is a start to seeing how to untangle them. The answer to that question is too complex to crystalize into 22 min. I'm guessing there was little to no prep time to give a fully comprehensive response however understanding that Christianity is an eastern religion rooted in an eastern text (which means eastern thought/philosophy) that in part was culturally misappropriated by colonizing Europeans(though they weren't alone in that) coupled with the messiness of humans and human relationships is a start to answering the original question. To be fair, you'd have to be an astute student of biblical history to be fully aware of the strength of the African presence in the text let alone other peoples with high counts of melanin. Christianity was used as a vehicle to conquer lands and people with antithetical intent. That speaks to the people, not to the vehicle. When wielded with it's actual intent, Christianity saves sinners by spreading the gospel and Kingdom culture via making little Jesus clones. There is so much that goes into answering that first question thoroughly such as concepts of "God" and "evil" in traditional African religious systems and how certain concepts did not translate or translated poorly into African languages and theology, the discounting and forced replacement of pre-Christian theology in Africa which is strongly connected to the African sense of self, the African church fathers contributions to foundational Christian tenets as well as some African church fathers who were wholly dismissed in church history,the emphasis of religion over relationship, the list is simply endless. You untangle the two cultures one thread at a time starting with and looking towards Jesus. What does Jesus say about himself vs what white supremacy says. Understand what Christianity is and what it isn't and the good book itself informs us rather thoroughly of that as it's the best commentator on itself.
You said some interesting things. I come with the thought that You cannot untangle white supremacy from Christianity. Maybe with a discussion you can provide me new information for me to process.
In my opinion the early African Church Fathers represent white supremacy.. All of them have Latin names.. They all spoke Greek/Latin to my knowledge.. They were all raised and educated under European Institutions. I feel that Africans with Latin names is white supremacy.
@@whatshatnin4572 Good afternoon brother! I love a good discussion! I'm still reading and gathering info on all topics that fall under this and it's a gargantuan undertaking. I agree that the latinization of Africans represents white supremacy and the nonreligious literature available on that is fascinating and informative. I submit that white supremacist theology is like a false king on a borrowed throne: it exercised and exercises power that is not its own on a throne to which it has no right. Once the people understand that the power of the Word doesn't lie in institutions and organizations but in the triumvirate Godhead themselves and especially when invited to indwell us, the false king is tossed out on his ear. This would be more improbable than impossible due to the messy nature of humans and their relations to other humans and especially to God. The early African church fathers ( both the well known and not so well known) represented theologies that lined up with as well as seemingly didn't line up with Roman/Roman Catholic theology and a key part of this issue is the manner or nature of African thought on key underpinnings of the Christian faith as taught by the church in regards to spirit, God, man and the nature of all three among other religious issues, especially Trinitarian disagreements and confusions that even Dr. John Henrik Clarke addressed in his books and lectures where he referred to "lily white christian theology". Erroneous theology is wrapped up in bad doctrine, the source of which could be wrong context, lack of context, bad eisegesis and or exegesis, flawed hermeneutic and various other factors. When we approach the bible as the Bereans did with daily diligence and get the nature of God into our hearts and minds ( read subconscious mind and conscious mind respectively), it becomes easier to not just spread sound biblical theology but to also point out unsound unbiblical theology. Since there were African church fathers of note as well as those we have never heard of or read about, the issue of African thought, African philosophy and the African mind presented and still presents a unique challenge despite latinized or Greco-Roman names and institutions. Lisa and Dr. Bantu both admit that the lensing of their faith that occurs in light of German theologians or any white theologian does raise very real concerns, especially when considering intent and context; however, it is that very lense that must be removed when reading the word for yourself. Just as we try the spirit by the Spirit, we prove the Word with the Word. I came to understand long ago that white supremacist theology is the misappropriation of Kingdom culture. You can't advance the supremacy and sufficiency of Christ if you're pushing your own skin tone as the agenda and especially against and above other skin tones. That's not of Christ nor is it why He came. The freedom one finds in Christ is not to be lorded over and against others but encouraged in others. This includes recognizing and respecting the intent and focus of worship that doesn't look like your own. Big clashing point in terms of colonizing via religion. Truly all the theology one needs is in the Bible. While further clarification can be found outside of and along side it, theologies of others that isn't biblical is to be corrected or rebuked in love with scripture through relation towards the goal of advancing the Kingdom.
Some informative reading on all this is
GK Chesterton's Orthodoxy
The Christ of the Indian Road by E. Stanley Jones
Any books by John Mbiti and Bolaji Idowu which address African theology, thought and the African mind
Must God Remain Greek by Robert E. Hood
African Church Fathers by Hans Engdahl(comparing and contrasting Origen and Mbiti)
African Contextual Realities by Rodney L. Reed
And Dr. Vince Bantu's book A Multitude of all People's which is part of a current 14 book series that has other enlightening titles in it. These books are a good start along with sole scripture study for tackling the white supremacist theology issue because the books available that address the many faces of it are a library into themselves. Also anything you can find on the Council of Chalcedon like Justo Gonzalez's A History of Christian Thought or Christology and the Council of Chalcedon by Fr. Ishak which Dr. Bantu stresses in his book and the interview as requiring closer scrutiny. In my view, the work of these authors as well as my own experience have proven that white supremacy can be deposited and divorced from biblically orthodox Christian theology. Yet i still have so much more reading to do for the books and authors not mentioned.
@@bobbydawkins3 I notice that we like to use the bible to beat down white supremacy. In my mind that is impossible because we got the bible from white supremacy. Now if me and you walked down the historicity of the bible and we realized that it was created by Africans then we might be on to something.. But if we go down memory lane in regards to the making of the bible and come to the realization that the bible was created by white folks then there is no way to untangle white supremacy from Christianity.
Dr. Bantu is brilliant Brotha. I used to hold on to and respect a lot of his work.. But i heard him say something to the effect that pushing Christianity is more important than pushing the truth. I feel like Black Folks have had enough people who thought pushing their agenda on us was more important than pushing the truth.
Interesting.. Very interesting.. I notice that when a black person asks a black Christian about slavery and Christianity, the black Christian always goes straight to Egypt and Ethiopia. They act like the Christian slave master went to North Africa to get his slaves to bring to America. Eventually we have to talk about OUR introduction to Christianity.. "Our" meaning the west and central African's introduction to Christianity.
I can respect the fact that some Africans had some sound influence on early Christianity. But thats not my focus. Essentially you are telling me that some Africans with European names living under a European government in Africa - speaking European languages and being taught by European institutions jumped into a European religion and made it better. Basketball players have done the same thing with the NBA. We did not create the sport. We just jumped into the NBA and made it better while making Europeans wealthy. In my mind, the African who improves a European creation is still white supremacy. If those early African Church fathers got their Christianity from European literature then to me they are just ponds pushing what white supremacy created in this particular instance. Because the European is still the middle man between the African and Bible god
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode! My man started preaching at the end 👋🏾 😩
So good!
Every bit of this was great.. thank you to the founder and the other moderator for your thought provoking , awe inspiring perspective. And it is my hope that black church folk can listen to this with an open mind and heart instead of feeling like they know all the answers. Because If we ( not all) had been getting it right instead of being concerned about being right we’d have a lot less pain being inflicted on people.
Loved it
Healthy discussion. Thank you:)
This is so good. I know there are complicated answers that can take years of seminary to answer… but Im sure people left the church because of sermon-like (I.e:long answers). Is there anyway to have a shorter answer so the person can ask a quick follow up?
Great show and project. Love it.
Sis you do a great job at that. I actually would love to hear the other experts say “I don’t know. I struggle with that too”.
Dope convo
Great Video...
What does it mean to de-colonize your faith?
What would be the success criteria of what is pure or pure enough?
I've met the guy with the locked hair before, he's super nice and intelligent. I'm not surprised he's in this conversation.
Loving this discussion, God bless and strengthen these brothers and sisters fellowshippong in the Word. Ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find and knock it shall be open to you! He is there in the midst of them. May God Bless them and all of us who are watching listening and praying! GOd Bless!
Culturally relevant worship is common in Cameroon. In fact, the Catholic church made a point to fuse culture and christianity in the 90s through a concept called inculturation.They've even overdone tbh, allowing cultural practices that are not healthy.
Since really knowing Jesus, I realised that while I love the many parts of my identity (African/Cameroonian/Mbu included) they are not the most important thing about me. I have a soul that will live in eternity and I need Heaven to be my country.
Lisa is right. Interrogate that faith and kick out the white supremacy. No one has to accept those lies.
PS
Very good questions. The church has work to do.
Just imagine how an African reasons......i sometimes think there's no hope for us Africans
My comment is i hope people especially young adults will stop leaving the Church its like taking the middle class out of an economy its then a much higher step for the children and elderly to communicate without that middle or several middle steps stay even when its uncomfortable to be that help for others the youth looks up to you and the Elderly depends on you
I respect where you coming from.. But these young black folks need to start thinking for themselves. This is a beautiful thing to see..
It’s a mixed bag because church and relationship with Yeshua is different. Church isn’t the community that it was set up to be like the book of Acts showed. Now it’s just a common ritual with little to know real community aspect. And no one lacked anything we don’t have that anymore now a days with so called church. As young folk we read the Word but don’t see the Word in most churches. So we bounce out plus we get little respect.
God has said, I am the Lord, I change not. He esteems his word above his name. Heaven and earth shall pass away but the word of the Lord endures forever.
Don't be lead away by the proliferation of various and sundry modern bibles that are represented to us as translations.
These are largely interpretations that wrest the scriptures to suit understanding of the interpreters.
Sin was sin in the garden of Eden, and nothing has changed in this regard. And all the new Bible interpretations have not profited those who read them.
God has not given us his word only, but his Spirit also to teach us and to help us. Trust in the Lord, and let no man glory in men.
If we pray faithfully, and seek God faithfully and meditate on his word, day and night, he will give us more grace as we establish our humility by doing these things. No one can stop us from doing it but us. There is no excuse. You can't blame the church for spiritual laziness.
Take this word of exhortation and prosper. This is not what I think, it is what I know. The Lord is my witness. Grace and Peace.
God never calls us to put our faith to a "purification" process. He tells us to put our faith through a "sanctification" process.
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“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
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Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
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knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
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of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
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It is then after we have heard this good
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There is nothing that we need to do, no
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Faith and belief in this information from
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I am a church leader. I am blown away by your panel's candor. God Bless us all!
The "let us make him in our image" goes back to caananite region polytheism, not Yahweh and Jesus. Part of the reason I left is the lack of curiosity for knowledge and Truth found in the church. This is one of those things.
To answer the 2nd question of is the bible and Christianity evolving? Yes. The word of God is living and active! Sharper than any double edged sword! so if you dwindle it down it can be what never falls out of style is treat others the way you want to be treated. Ok! If thts all I walk away from then ok. Or be the fruits of the Spirit: be kind, patient, goodness, peace, love, self-control..okay! So if someone walks with tht, their life will have a rich and fulfilling meaning with a positive impact on others..NOW to address question #1 with it: If these 2 scriptures I just gave as 2 principles to live life on are the base guides, then there will be plenty of things one would reject in Christianity: the dressing like white British folks, capitalism, American practice of Christianity, American practices of medicine, The Stock Market...why??? B.c the the profit model DOES NOT promote The Golden Rule or the fruits of the Spirit. So if a place of worship promotes the profit model harder than the fruits of the Spirit then you already know this ain't for you.
Love this... holy head bussing ministry, Jude3... thankyou
IUIC “Israelites United in Christ “ breaks down a lot of this.
What do they say
I find some of these remarks that the cast are making so sad……regardless of what we see; what people display; we need to have our own relationship. Once we die and we bring all these excuses to God at judgement he is going to hold each of us responsible for our lives because he has left a blueprint his truth; the BIBLE for our answers.
Some of us just make excuses to not do the right thing and follow JESUS. We are making it toooo complicated when it is not; yes hard because we have to deny ourselves and this dirty flesh but not COMPLICATED!!!!!!!!
Easy. True Christianity is not a religion. It’s a relationship. True Christians will love everyone. Help everyone. Bless everyone. Not emphasizing on a certain color or gender or age or anything physical. True Christians stay away from sin and sinful desires. True Christians preach holiness or hell. And are persecuted for it.
If you love me, keep my commandments. Sounds like that relationship has some rules with it...
Not rules, standards as any good parent has for their children.
@@Asiarae6 call them what you want, God calls them commandments. You can call them the law if youd like, He also calls them that. So keeping them goes hand in hand with showing your love for him.
This is not true.. There is no way to get a relationship with a god that relies on humans to speak for it.. In order to know about bible god you must read the religious book written by man. You cannot get bible god without man.. Christianity is a religion. Just like every other religion, Christianity introduces its god through the words of man.
The answer is in Daniel chapter 2.
The true answer is the Dum Diversas written by Pope Nicholas in the mid 1400s
@@whatshatnin4572
i see dum diversus as part of the fulfillment of daniel 2&7: essentially predicting white political supremacy spurred on by eurocentric religious supremacy...that gets smashed by the kingdom of God.
@@bwevemuzk you have an interesting way of interpreting things. I'm sure you probably the only one who sees it that way. But in reality an African nation being forced into a religion by Europeans is white supremacy. Not knowing a god until white people introduce you to said god is the epitome of white supremacy. The first Christian Church ever built in Ghana was built by white people and it was built right next to the dungeons that the Christians kept our ancestors.. That is the white supremacy that you cannot untangle from Christianity.
We keep lookin for this kingdom of god.. White literature is tellin us that there is place better than here.. But we have no evidence of this place. If it was not for slavery we would never know about this kingdom of god. But where is the evidence. There is evidence of white supremacy but where is the evidence of this kingdom of god that white supremacy told us about.
@@whatshatnin4572 >20 million ppl have the same view of eschatology that i pointed out so...im far from being the only one who sees it that way. Also, i agree with your take on history. But consider that although many heard about Christianity via white supremacy, many in east north and central Africa didnt hear about it through conquest. The two concepts dont HAVE to be linked. On the other hand. If youre intersted, carefully study out the prophecies of daniel 2&7. You'll find that its not christianity, but the antichrist power that has is seat in western european sociopolitical power and that the prediction of its prominence in the 500s BC is the best evidence youre looking for for the coming kingdom of God.
@@bwevemuzk I agree that the Ethiopians did not hear about the bible by conquerors but they did get introduced to Christianity by Europeans. In fact every African nation on the planet has been introduced to bible god through Europeans. Why are African people getting their info about god from Europeans.
There is so much open space for interpretation for these prophecies and there is also interpretation for this kingdom of god. But history is history. And based on the topic of this video, i dont see how we can untangle white supremacy from Christianity
We are the Israelites not a crayon Color 🖍 🤷🏾♂️ Baruch 2:30
“For I knew that they would not hear me, because it is a stiffnecked people: but in the land of their captivities they shall remember themselves.”
It's all mythology
Grace and Peace to you. The guy on the left needs a primer in textual criticism.
Couple things- #1; we who Call ourselves “Spiritually Born-Again Disciples” cannot have it both ways - we can’t pick & choose the parts of the “Mind of Christ” (WORD) we agree with & reject or deny the parts of the Mind of Christ (WORD) that do not align with our desires & thinking! It’s perfectly fine & natural to “struggle” with the Holiness God requires (not man & the church) & our SIN NATURE (lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes & pride of life) … let’s not “Over-Spiritualize - Make the Holiness & Truth” God requires of every man that DEEP … it”s not! Jesus said his word & life has to be accepted & believed from mind of a “Childlike” thinking! The other issues comes from what the church did - “church” is confusing today not because of the Gospel & word of God … but because of what “Man” ADDED to the WORD! Because of the HOMOPHILY established by man beginning in the 4th chapter & on in the Book of Acts! Moving away from the Apostles DOCTRINE when Man began with DENOMINATIONS, SECTS & FACTIONS - his way! Thus, ORIENTATION to the Gospel & the Truth is soooooooo very KEY today because if your Orientation is 6-inches off center … you will easily be led astray, duped & disappointed!!! But we cannot have God the Holiness & Relationship with a Holy God w/o Denying Self, Taking Up a Personal Cross & Following Jesus … … “CHILDREN!!!”
ALM - All Lives Matter. All lives infested with sin. Everyone is a victim of pre-existing sin. For God all lives are equal, all lives matter. God loves everyone unconditionally. Jesus Christ came from heaven to earth for one purpose only - to die on the Cross for remissions of pre-existing sins of every single person and to resurrect. Jesus Christ providing forgiveness of pre-existing sins; salvation from eternity in hell; and free entry to eternity in heaven for all who repent of sins in Jesus Christ.
Otherside of death is eternity. Eternity in hell. Or eternity in heaven through Jesus Christ. Penalty of pre-existing sin already paid by Jesus Christ on The Cross. Accept Jesus Christ, be saved from pre-existing sin and eternal hell for free.
Do you have any evidence to support anything that you are sayin or is this just something that you believe?
The Bible doesn't say ANY of this. You do.
Interesting, this guy's question is the primary focus of Jude 3
Is it? How so?
@@whatshatnin4572 Well the term Jude 3 comes from the book of Jude verse 3, to make a defense for the faith.
@@rossderek82 Oh i get it.. I understand.. Thanks for the breakdown.. I have noticed that they do spend time talking about African influence on Christianity.. I feel like they lie and are being disingenuous often times when dealing with this topic. But you are correct that they do put energy into this topic. I wonder if their approach is giving them the outcome that they expected
I kind of agree with the lady speaking on testing "faith", but can you truly test faith: noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
So with her own words she is being dishonest when she says she is testing her faith and putting her faith of the " chopping block", you cannot test faith and belief, because the mere words, proves you cannot test it, Belief without proof, is not testing faith.
As a African American, who was raised in the church, I learned early on you cannot test your faith, because you have to believe without proof.
Are you proud to believe in things without proof?
@@oldschool5 no and that is why i am agnostic on the subject of religion, or god.
@@mikeaskme3530 same here
All of the Early African Church Fathers mentioned had Latin names. They all spoke Latin and or Greek.. They were all born and raised in Roman/Greek provinces in Africa. They were all groomed and educated under Greek/Roman learning institutions.. Africans with Latin names is white supremacy. Aint no untangling
Partially true for Saint Augustine, but not true for Ethiopia, and it is more complicated for Alexandria. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has had a culture of its own even inside Oriental Orthodoxy until this day. About Greek and Alexandria in Egypt is more complicated because they had a Helenistic Culture before Romans got there, it was a mixture of Ancient Middle Eastern Culture with Ancient Greek Culture. The curious thing Eastern part of the Roman Empire was considered more "developted" and culturally "superior" to the Western European part. The "caucasian" , germanic, Celtic and Slavish Tribes of Europe were considered "primitive" and "inferior" to the supposed at the time "superior" Culture of Helenistic Middle East, that is why a Guy like Saint Augustine from a region which today is Algeria (and indeed by modern American racial sensibilities would be considered brown) felt such pressure to learn Greek (that he hated). The truth is that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion that spread through the world and got its own version in Europe that became hegemonic, but original European religions were greco-roman, germanic and Celtic paganism. That is why a strong characteristic in Nazism for example was to exalt German Paganism, and also why there is this tendency in many neonazis to embrace European Neopaganism (of course not all neopagan are neonazis, but the point is that white supremacy can use European Christianity as a weapon but not always, because it is at odds with Christianity's Middle Eastern roots)
@@filipeterra2603 I understand the difference between Christianity and earlier European religions. However, Christianity is the white man's religion. Do we have any middle eastern religious literature that predate the Greek? Do we have any African nations that were introduced to Christianity by Middle Easterners, because we dam sure have a PLETHORA of African nations that have been introduced to Christianity by Europeans. In fact EVERY African nation has been introduced by Europeans.
The fact that Augustine was forced to learn Greek is more evidence for me that shows us that Christianity is the white man's religion. Without the European there would be no Christianity. There would be no bibles. There would be no Moses or a Noah.
You seem like you have a lot of info which is a good thing.. Ima simple man. I dont see any African nation having a Christian institution before said African nation was told to have a Christian institution by Europeans colonizers and or missionaries. Did Bible god ever come to The Congo or Zimbabwe to introduce himself to the Brothas. Or did some middle easterners go to Egypt, Nigeria, Jamaica, Chad or South Africa to introduce the Brothas to the bible? Or was it Europeans introduced Christianity and the bible to the Brothas in Ghana, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Ghana and America.
Is there an African bible that predates the European bible.. Is there a Hebrew gospel that predates the Greek.. Or did the ones who gave us Medusa gave us Jesus? Did the Ethiopians draw images of Jesus before Saint Frumentius or After.
Man i just dont see the middle eastern influence in Christianity like i see the European. Im from a small town right outside of LA.. Black folks in America are English speaking Christians because our slave master was an English speaking Christian.. I currently live in the DR.. Many of the Africans here are Spanish speaking Catholics because their slave master was a Spanish speaking Catholic.. I dont see no middle eastern anywhere in these equations.
Tell me what you think.
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Me personally I believe the Bible is the true word of God. Unfortunately most churches are like the world going along to get along. And some Churches is all about money every Sunday money for this money for that. Only thing it should be about is tithes and offering. As for white supremacy there is no such thing as that. Unfortunately we live in a racist society. Jesus said preach the gospel to every creature it's not about color or how you are dressing. These are praying times. I feel we are closer to the second coming of Jesus Christ. It may be sooner than we think.
Why do you use the ignorant guy as your first clip and then use the intelligent guy later for content, I almost wrote you off
I been waiting for this guy for the WHOLE series.. He mostly represents me on the couch
@@oldschool5 who the historian / scholar or the ignorant guy
@@BlackBubblesJblack The Africa Brotha on the end of the couch
Possibly the "ignorant guy" represents most people. 🙄
In my opinion, don't get stuck on race. At the end of the day, a spirit of God led person understands the importance of loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. Of course, bias & prejudice will always exist because of sin, but Satan will leave you stuck on "what the white man supposedly did" or presuming a white man wrote the Bible. No white man wrote the Bible. The disciples were first called Christians according to the book of Acts. It's not really a white man's religion. That's not the truth.
You are not looking at this thing through the correct lens. You are looking at it this more like a European and then you are disqualifying real concerns when you speak for god telling us what god wants. Look at this through history and let god speak for himslef
@@whatshatnin4572 my perspective is based on scripture. At the end of the day, those that say they follow the God of the Bible should love him and grow and learn to love their neighbor as themselves. We didn't create ourselves. Satan created that racial barrier & uses it to keep us from hearing what God is really saying. It's called pride. I'm not European. Scripture should be the authority for the believer. Does the body of Christ have flaws when it comes to race? Of course it does. It's called sin. It's called pride but any race can be guilty of walking in pride. We all descended from one blood.
@@KSU-ce2uc Your perspective is based on faith.. Religion and mythology is accepted through faith.. This topic deals with history.. History is accepted through facts and knowledge. The African Brotha is asking questions in regards to history.. Facts - historic facts is how you deal with these type of questions. Not religion or mythological beliefs. Man speaking for a god has nothing to do with answering fact based questions. Those kind of answers are one of the many reasons why folks are leaving the church.
Scriptures are the authority for those who want to believe.. But facts are the authority for those who want to know... And many of these young folks are choosing to know history over believing in religion/mythology.
Y'all need come over to real truth the Hebrew Israelites
You cannot untangle mythology nor can you untangle white supremacy out of the Hebrew Israelites.. Anytime you have talking snakes and 900 year old men you have mythology and whenever a slave master gives a slave a book telling the slave that his enslavement is divine you have white supremacy. Hebrews and white supremacy and the KKK all feel the same way about African people
Christianity always either severely minimizes the significance of the Israelites or eliminates them altogether.
IUIC will show you all the answers in the Bible
What's not being address is the fact that Europeans brought Christianity to Black ppl during slavery and after colonialism in West and Central Africa. We're not talking about Eastern Africans. Y'all basically being deceptive to the point of insulting bc this stuff isn't rocket science. We were christianized as part of our process of being enslaved...point blank. You wanna accept it then do that. Just say you're Christian first and Black second...
Great questions and awesome answers!! To God be the Glory!! Keep these joints coming!
Couple things- #1; we who Call ourselves “Spiritually Born-Again Disciples” cannot have it both ways - we can’t pick & choose the parts of the “Mind of Christ” (WORD) we agree with & reject or deny the parts of the Mind of Christ (WORD) that do not align with our desires & thinking! It’s perfectly fine & natural to “struggle” with the Holiness God requires (not man & the church) & our SIN NATURE (lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes & pride of life) … let’s not “Over-Spiritualize - Make the Holiness & Truth” God requires of every man that DEEP … it”s not! Jesus said his word & life has to be accepted & believed from mind of a “Childlike” thinking! The other issues comes from what the church did - “church” is confusing today not because of the Gospel & word of God … but because of what “Man” ADDED to the WORD! Because of the HOMOPHILY established by man beginning in the 4th chapter & on in the Book of Acts! Moving away from the Apostles DOCTRINE when Man began with DENOMINATIONS, SECTS & FACTIONS - his way! Thus, ORIENTATION to the Gospel & the Truth is soooooooo very KEY today because if your Orientation is 6-inches off center … you will easily be led astray, duped & disappointed!!! But we cannot have God the Holiness & Relationship with a Holy God w/o Denying Self, Taking Up a Personal Cross & Following Jesus … … “CHILDREN!!!”