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Why Are So Many Leaving The Black Church For Atheism? | Alycia Wood
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- An excerpt from the Pastors & Leaders Virtual Conference. Alycia Wood discussed why so many people are leaving the Black church for atheism.
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The concept of man speaking and writing for a god that never speaks nor writes for himself has failed us all and is falling apart.
Apologetics is not really about convincing Atheists, it's about deceiving Theists in order to prevent apostasy.
After decades of conversation with atheists, (and I mean here very specifically atheists rather tha agnostics or non-religious) I realised that they don't have a clue what's actually being said to them. That to claim to be atheist, is simply to reveal that one does not know what is meant by the term God.
The concept of God is a total blindspot for them, they have no idea of what it is.
One may may more reasonably discuss colour schemes with the colour blind, or empathy with the criminally insane, it's simply meaningless to them.
This comment exemplifies exactly that.
@@andrewjohnson8232 If we assume you are correct about apologetics being an exercise in futility as it pertains to convincing Atheists, that would in fact support my comment. Like it or not apologetic arguments tend to fail because they are designed to convince the Theist that they have an argument rather than convince the Atheist with said argument.
Take for example William Lane Craig pretending that the Kalam Cosmological Argument is logically sound even though the logical syllogism is broken with the introduction of a second conclusion which is a total non sequitur.....he's not fooling Atheists with that BS sophistry.....but it works like a charm to fool Theists into believing that they have a logical argument lol.
@@enemysub9057
That's not what I said. I understand your inference, but I actually made no comment about apologetics. My comment was about the nature of atheism.
Apologetics is not about convincing atheists, it's about answering questions.
I'm afraid you'll have to tell me about the Dr Craig non-sequitur, as I'm not sure of what you're referring to.
You fail to understand the foundation of Atheism. If you’re making the claim, a Bible isn’t enough to convince us. That’s like me using Harry Potter books as proof of the wizard world.
The Bible is a historic book of faith. While the other was a fairy tale.
@@SJDJ0728sure it is. It was faith that blessed the colonizers slavers and conquerors and the natives werent blessed because theyre the evil ones
@@mmget5415lol Bible doesn’t promote that … that’s call evil human nature
@@SJDJ0728They're both fairy tales
The foundation of Atheism comes from the disputes of false teachings that are taught in the churches today, which are not Bible base and taught from the precepts of man, not from God.
A better title for this presentation would have been "A Christian Perspective and Response on Why Are So Many Leaving The Black Church For Atheism?" I think that it would have been far more beneficial for Ms. Alycia Wood to converse with former Christians that have left the Black Church for atheism. 🙂
Why do so many apologists speak about atheism as if it is a competing moral system? Not believing in God does not define morality. Morality becomes a separate topic for each of us to work out.
You do know that slavery is morally ok in the bible and it promotes slavery.
You should engage with atheists by actually having them on your platform to speak back.
She wouldn't dare haha
She is so right. My mom was an atheist, so I wasn't taught anything about any God and we did not go to anyone's church or place of worship. But I always had a since of God being there. I thank God for a personal encounter with him. I didn't come to God because my life was bad, matter of fact God began to draw me while I was living high and enjoying my life.
Why are so many leaving Christianity for atheism? Perhaps it is due to people realizing that being unconvinced of the existence of a god or gods is the most honest position to hold and that theism is not epistemically justified. That is what brought me to atheism.
More of every ethnicity is becoming more concerned with what's true, why should Black people be any different?
Honesty and don't use arguments where you assume things like why they don't believe in god (like you don't believe in god cause you hate god or because you just want to sin). Address their actual reasons for being an atheist.
The video is for who it is for ☺️ and to those it is for we are grateful and understand that this one video is not all encompassing of what she knows. It is a tool to help Christians with less knowledge have an idea of where to start or how to engage. Of course every atheist has their own story. We all want to be able to listen with grace and still speak with confidence. Be well.
She did a great job explaining what this means for us. Thanks 😊
Ayeeeeeeeee I know Alycia, great sister.
This sis is. BEAST! Been watching her for years and love her podcast and CZcams channel!
She sure is! I appreciate her ministry so much.
I would combat that idea. She is the best as a kkk leader teaching about black history.
Thank you for this. I listened on the podcast and found it helpful, considering conversations I’ve had with atheist in the past. It gives me perspective on what to pray, learn, and how to engage. I am grateful.
The best way to engage a nonbeliever is with facts. The mind of a nonbeliever likes to deal with facts.. The mind of a believer likes to deal with faith.
@@whatshatnin4572 ask a nonbeliever what makes them not believe, and then show them the discrepancies between the lie and truth. Then bring out the Holy Bible, KJV, and show them the truth with the word of God.
@@asherahisrael3763 No. Afraid not in this particular case. Ima nonbeliever. It was the lack of facts that began to weaken my faith. Using the bible to prove the bible was no longer good enough.
@@whatshatnin4572 what lack of facts, made you become a nonbeliever?
@@whatshatnin4572 The Bible is the word of God. Jesus Christ through his word, warned us in the last day's, let no man deceive you, many will come in the name of Jesus Christ and lie. Satan has ministers who proclaim to be about Jesus Christ the light and are not. So I hope this is the beginning of opening up the discussion of deception.
it would be an awesome treat for this sister and sister DNew from the Vocab Malone channel to just get together and discuss any topic. I think we'd learn a lot just listening to them discuss breathing.
This was awesome!!!
People are waking up!
I ask Google, Google answers! What do I need God for, who won't answer or I need to have the holy spirit to receive my answer!
Hmm, maybe you feature and talk to an actual atheist to talk to them before you just spread misinformation to all your followers. This was painful to get through. I left the church 2 years ago. I know for a fact that this lady is not engaging Atheists with these arguments. And I guarantee that if u engage an atheist with these arguments you will be embarrassed. The 1st 10 minutes alone were filled with misinformation and poor scholarship. I'm not even trying to be mean, but if you want to believe then it's your choice. But, none of these arguments will stand up to real scrutiny and will do more damage then good if u engage an atheist with this.
I agree - I have several atheist friends who don't think I'm stupid. Many are former Christians who couldn't get past church abuse, rational thought, superstition or some other reason. Everything about this video is insulting.
This is not to satisfy atheist but a small tool to help Christians, in a shirt amount of time, gain perspective, pray, and move toward being able to better have conversations with those who are atheist. Of course she cannot explain everything in one episode.
@@itschrischriss it's ineffective & misleading in no way is it a tool to "engage" atheists.
You are arguing inside your Christian bubble. Atheism is simply not believing in a god because there no evidence. Simple as that.
My mom was an atheist when I was growing up and most of the reasons she stated was the same reasons my mom gave me as to why she didn't believe in God. In my opinion she was made at a God she said was not real.
A lot of “atheists” I came across became atheists due to personal trauma, not a lack of evidence for God. As a result of the intensity or lack of answers why it happened, they concluded that there isn’t a God.
YES!!
It’s not just the “Black church”, it’s the American church. Unfortunately most churches don’t teach the scriptures. They teach a social, mostly works religion. They evangelize inside the church on Sundays 90% of the time. Unbelievers need evangelicalism BUT believers need teaching!!!! Jesus demonstrated this over and over!!Teaching requires serious study which is lacking in many sermons. And so many topics are avoided in preaching today. Overall it’s not about numbers because we are not the one who save anybody. So study, preach and teach the whole Bible and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.
Interesting
Baby yall need to be real
When you fall on hard times they don't have nothing for you
Love Alycia Wood!
How would this lady know why they left the church, shes still inside the religion giving one sided views
Biggup Alycia
Most Atheist conversations surrounding the topic of belief constantly seek believers and Religious contributors. But most of these Conversations led by Theists to give and understand the Atheist position won’t have an Atheist within 100 miles of the debate. I know from myself, having family members talk about me behind my back about my Atheism but never actually want to engage me in honest conversation.
They believe in the boogeyman but don't want to look under the bed. Because they already know he ain't gonna be there.
She did an excellent job defending christanity and the christian faith. However, I truthly don't know if there is a God and I am not sure if christanity is his chosen right religion. I also don't believe that people who believe in God is dumb or stupid.
Thank you for your honesty… What do you believe “God” is? Like describe the thing that you think others believe in, but you don’t…
@@HonestLeighSpeaking Sometimes I am not sure what or who God is. The video is very good although it takes me out of my confort zone. That Comfort zone for me being " that no one can know absolute truth about God" I do except that just because I feel a certain way, that doesn't make I am right.
Also Thank you for responding and engaging in a kind way.
She's wrong the most isolated tribes don't entertain any type of god
@@mikehunntt5338 how do you know? where are you getting your data? I cannot say bc I never studied. However I want to compare sources. Please send me yours.
Science Reality Truth
The key words you use are "think" and "believe". Religions are all based on beliefs and what one thinks or surmises is true.The question is: which set of beliefs and thoughts are superior to all others?
Religion/mythology are both accepted by belief. History is accepted through knowledge. The preacher requires to believe in jesus. Parents have their kids believe in Santa but the teacher requires you to know historic figures.
Can you speak about anything without "thinking" or "believing"? If so, what are they?
@@andrewjohnson8232 One can simply repeat (or parrot) what he/she has heard, without either thinking or believing. This is often the case in organized religions, wherein individuals simply repeat dogma that has been passed on for generations. It just that some perpetuators of dogma claim that their specific dogma is superior to all other dogma. So, the answer to your questions is: many things can be spoken or repeated, without thought.
@@weyde1
So what you mean is things can be repeated without critical thought, or reflection. Of course, I've no argument with that.
And yes, it is often the case with organised religion, that is, afterall, the point of organisation of any kind, to remove the need to make personal decisions, and we all rely very heavily on systems that have been organised for us.
Religions however aren't just floating dogmas detached from any kind of reality. The stories, doctrines, dogmas and rituals represent narration, ideals and commitments to ways of life, to community, to interpretations of what it is to be human.
I must say I've never understood the "organised religion" criticism. Should religion be unorganised; disorganised to be justifiable?
As you say "often the case" rather than always the case, I think we already agree that dogma does not necessarily mean untrue. One can parrot a truth without being able to critically defend it.
Atheistic and irreligious thought is not free from dogmaticism and unreflective repetition.
@@andrewjohnson8232 My use of the term "organized" refers to those institutions being organized around specific sets of doctrine, rituals, or (dare I say) dogma that are observed by their followers and practitioners. I don't use the term as a pejorative, but rather to differentiate between those who practice traditional religions and those do not consider themselves to be atheist, on the one hand, but do not feel restricted by any doctrine or dogma.
Who’s leaving?
WTF is she taking about?
I'm an ex Christian and now an atheist and I have no idea.
Thank you for teaching us how to reach others beyond the church....
The only way a theist could reach me is by producing hard evidence that their faith is true. Unfortunately, not once in my life (I'm now 77) has anyone done that. Which is why I have lived and will die an atheist.
If you think this video thought you how to reach people outside of the church, please reconsider that. While you will always have a-holes like mr. John here thinking everybody thinks like that will only lead to failure. My suggestion would be to talk to people, and don’t just assume they are idiotic. If you do that you will be no different then him.
@@floydthibodeaux1844 You have a perfect right to consider me an arsehole, but what have I said that merits that description? I have merely stated that only hard evidence will convince me that Christianity is true. Hardly the most outrageous of comments.
@@johncraske It is not what you said, but to who and the context of which you said it. Christians as most religious people do believe they have hard evidence for what they believe. It is like if a kid asked you to put their macaroni picture on your wall, and you reply with “I only put good pictures on here.” It might be true that the picture is crap, but it doesn’t make it any less of an a-hole statement. In my opinion it would have been more appropriate to explain why the evidence is lacking, and what they should look to be able to do to convince you. It is tedious, but if we want to understand each other we need this detail. Mind you I am not perfect, and I can be an a-hole to, but we must be able to realize when we’re being one. Added it is obvious from the video that they do not understand us so we need to walk on eggshells when dealing with this. It is hard.
@@floydthibodeaux1844 You say that it would have been more appropriate to ask WHY the evidence for Christianity is lacking. But I don't need to ask that - I know very well why the evidence is lacking. it's because Christianity is not true. Which is why not one believer has ever said anything to me which might make me think that they were not simply victims of indoctrination combined with strong wishful thinking. Which is why their religion is called a faith and not a fact.
Don't bother engaging Athiests. If someone has come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist despite all the "our all loving God will burn you forever if you don't believe" threats.... That person has probably actually thought about it and would actually need evidence to change their minds. There is none whatsoever for Christianity. Therefore if you are trying to convert Atheists without evidence, you are wasting your time and causing annoyance. Try to do some good in the world instead.
This is good for who it is for. It may not be for you. ☺️
You seem to know quite a lot about what atheists think. Are you a mind reader? 😮
She states that she has engaged with them.
HEBREWS 10:25 IS THE REFERENCE FOR FORSAKING NOT THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER AS SAINTS IN THE COMMENT BELOW. .AMEN..SELAH!
The great falling away ..........1 Tim 4:1
They leaving because the ones in the Church is doing aesthetic things! So, why not? Do, Jesus, and they'll come back!
What ! Black Atheism !
! That's a new one for me. Lol
The Golden Rule if you would not want to be enslaved why enslave another? Nothing supernatural logical thinking.
This was awesome.
THis would have been a much more powerful presentation if Ms. Wood would have simply discussed why people are leaving the church rather than giving her views of why they are wrong. 9:34 she argues that no one needs a DNA test to prove that someone is their mother, yet courts do DNA tests all the time and when you need an irrefutable proof of parent..DNA can do exactly that. Proving Christianity ---how do you prove it? People are leaving the church because of this type of brainless apologetic.
People don't read the word of God for themselves. The Holy Bible, KJV is not taught in the churches today. The importance of Jesus Christ and what he did for the world, he died for us, our sins. WITHOUT sin so we can have a chance to eternal life in his kingdom. God created the heaven and earth, Genesis 1:1
GOD formed man out of dirt and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, he BECAME a living soul, Genesis 2:7
Women was created to be a help meet for the man, Genesis 2:18, 21-24
We were created in the likeness of God, Genesis 5:1-2
Deuteronomy 10:17 The lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, a mighty, and terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward. Deuteronomy 28:1-68 slavery was brought on the children of Israel because of disobedience to God. They broke the covenant with God. The covenant is Exodus 20:1-17
The whole duty of man is to FEAR God and keep his commandments Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. When people say they are atheists they fighting against the falsehood of religion. The word of God is contrary to religion. Read the book for yourself before you shut God out. Because God is your only hope. God is hope, for mental wellbeing, morality of life, he gives us instructions to live, how to care of ourselves, the land, family and strangers. 1 John 5:1-3 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. We love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments. BEWARE, there are many false prophets in the world, believe not every spirit. 1 John 4:1-3
This young lady sounds like a fundamental Christian and uses a lot of conservative talking points. I can tell that she's passionate about the subject but is not really making any sense. Personally, I think Apologetics is useless. I doubt it changes the minds of non believers, people of other religions or non fundamental Christians.
Apologetics is ok for keeping black folks in the church but its a weak tool to get black folks in the church.. History says that the best tool to get us in the church is slavery... I dont see nothing else getting those of us who left church back into the church
@@whatshatnin4572 Until they start teaching inline with what some who've left the church have learned, they can only keep those still stuck in relougisty. I do believe there are lessons in the bible but I have yet to see a Christian Apologist transfer the information.
The most pathetic are the unbelievers, you don’t questioned the wind, but you surely can feel it. You questioned the relevance of the Bible, but you don’t questioned the history books. God is very real, and I will live my life believing that God is real, rather died and find out he is very real. Pray for an encounter with God to find out if God is real, he will show you, or is your heart to stiffen and harden to find out. I pray for the unbelievers, May God bless you on your empty journey. God is God.
Disingenuously using the word “See” . The Wind can be demonstrated , entire industries depend on the reliability of wind. Go ahead , demonstrate a supernatural god.
@@scream1237 You think you wake up everyday on your own accord don’t you.
@@msjay025 pulled the goalpost over to the other side, but anyway…..All living things rest and wake up….I’m literally one in like 23 trillion living beings that wake up after resting after a full cycle of activities . I dont know how u believe I wake up but, can we get back to acknowledging that no atheist anywhere says God isn’t real cause u can’t “See” him?
EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD, now you can play if you want to 🔥🔥🔥
They are not leaving the black Church because there is no such thing as a "BLACK CHURCH" to God, just "THEE CHURCH" OF JESUS CHRIST. THEY ARE LEAVING "THEE CHURCH" BECAUSE 1 JOHN 2:19 DECLARES: THEY WENT OUT FROM US, BUT THEY WERE NOT OF US; FOR HAD THEY BEEN OF US, THEY WOULD HAVE NO DOUBT REMAINED AND CONTINUED WITH US; BUT THEY WENT OUT, (FROM US), THAT IT MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT OF US. GOD SAID HE KNOWS WHOSE "HIS" IS 2 TIMOTHY 2:19, FOR HE IS OMNISCIENT. GOD HIMSELF WILL REVEAL WHO IS HIS TO WHO IS HIS ACCORDING TO THE WORD, (MATHEW 16:18), BY REVELATION FROM THE FATHER. A TRUE SON OR DAUGHTER CANNOT LEAVE WHO THEY ARE BUT MANY WHO HAVE PROFESSED THE FAITH FOR THE WRONG MOTIVE SHALL LEAVE, IT IS PROPHETIC SO THEY ARE JUST FULFILLING PROPHESY ACCORDING TO 1 JOHN 2:19. THIS MEANS THE ONES THAT LEAVE THE CHURCH EITHER WERE GIVEN NO REVELATION THAT THEY ARE HIS OR HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED THAT REVELATION. FOLKS THE CHURCH IS NOT A RELIGION, AN INSTITUTION OR A BUILDING. THOSE WHO HAVE RECEIVED THEIR SONSHIP WE KNOW IT IS "WHO" WE ARE. THE WORD IS GOD'S WILL AND GOD WILL IS HIS WORD AND THE WORD IS GOD. SO IF THE WORD SAYS: FORSAKING NOT THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER AS SAINTS, THEN THIS IS A COMMAND FROM GOD NOT A CHOICE. THE ONLY CHOICE WE HAVE WITH GOD IS EITHER OBEDIENCE OR DISOBEDIENCE. PSALMS 133:1-3 DECLARES: BEHOLD HOW GOOD AND HOW PLEASANT IT IS FOR GOD'S BRETHREN TO DWELL TOGETHER IN UNITY. V2) IT IS LIKE THE PRECIOUS OINTMENT UPON THE HEAD THAN RAN DOWN UPON THE BEARD, EVEN AARON'S BEARD. MANY SAY THEY HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF LEADERSHIP'S HYPOCRISY, EVIL OR THE HYPOCRISY OF THOSE WHO ATTEND CHURCH. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU REALLY THINK WHEN YOU STAND BEFORE GOD IN THE TIME OF JUDGEMENT AND HE ASK YOU WHY YOU DISOBEYED HIS WORD ON FORSAKING NOT THE ASSEMBLING, THAT HE IS GOING TO ACCEPT, BECAUSE OF OTHERS AS AN EXCUSE. BELOVED ONES GOD IS GOING TO LOOK AT YOU AND SAY: I KNOW OF THEM BIT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS "WHAT DID I TELL "YOU" TO DO"?.. AH, AH, AH, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW! HYPOCRITES ARE EVERYWHERE, YOUR MOMMA, YOUR DADDY, HOUR CHILDREN AND YOU ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE OF THEM ALL PUT TOGETHER BUT YOU DON'T STOP COMMUNING WITH YOURSELF AND OTHER. YOUR FRIENDS, THE CLUBS ETC. ALL THESE PLACES HAVE HYPOCRITES BUT WHY DO WE CHOOSE ONLY THE CHURCH TO LEAVE. OH BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE OF LOVING, HOLY PEOPLE. NO THE CHURCH IS A PLACE WHERE WE ARE ALL A WORK-IN-PROGRESS, STRIVING FOR CHANGE AND TO BE AND DO BETTER LETS NOT GET THAT TWISTED. SO ALL YAW ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD YOU TO THE CHURCH HE WOULD HAVE YOU TO ATTEND ACCORDING TO HIS WILL AND GET READY FOR ALL THE HYPOCRITES THERE AND ALLOW GOD'S PRESENCE TO GROW YOU SOME THICKER SKIN AND GET YOUR BUTT BACK IN CHURCH IN THE NAME OF JESUS.. LOVE YOU GUYS ..AMEN..SELAH!
The Hebrew Bible & Christian Bible both condones slavery forbids the consumption of shellfish and pork.
All about priorities
No they do not condone slavery, and no they do not forbid shellfish and pork.
(And just in case it isn't obvious, that's bait. So bite, please be my guest).
@@andrewjohnson8232 It the literature written in the Bible Slave Obey Your Mind Masters.
Ephesianated Brainwashed .
@@andrewjohnson8232 Yes it does condones slavery in both the Hebrew Bible & the Christian Bible.
How can a grown man believe in walking on water , living in the belly of a big fish a man losing his power after a hair cut, talking snakes , wooden staff turning into snakes,talking donkey & parting of a Sea .
Superstition Backwards & Absurd.
Science Reality Truth doesn’t require faith they stand on there on .
@@garymahone1583
If the Bible condones slavery, then you should be able to use the Bible to defend slavery. Make your case, and we can discuss it.
You ask: how a grown man can believe this random list of the unbelievable. My answer is: by actually understanding them.
My two questions for you are: is your response to the arguably unrivalled existential poetry of Genesis: "Ha, busted, snakes don't talk"?
And: What would reasonably determine the miracles through which God chooses expression?
Thank you for your powerful talk sister. Peace and strength to you in your work.
I'd really like to have asked Weinberg why he would call people doing "evil things", "good people". He is surely responsible for one of the most asinine attempts at aphorism it's possible to name.
We must always stress that slavery was an economic system controlled by violence, not a religious system controlled by indoctrination. As such, it was and is , demonstrably, a rejection of Christian faith, not any expression of it.
The so-called Slave Bible is an anti-Christian historical curiosity, an attempt to undermine the possible spread of Christianity, not facilitate it. It played absolutely no part in the history of African Christianity in America.
The black American church is one of history's great achievements. You don't have to be a believer to acknowledge that, you just have to know it's actual history.
I've never once heard anyone condemn democracy on account of segregation and Jim Crow. People have instead condemned segregation and Jim Crow as rejections of democracy. Why isn't Christianity afforded the same obviously reasonable assessment?
Surely if members of the "consciousness community" really were conscious, they would prioritise the African testimony and the actual history of the black church, as opposed to endorsing and perpetuating the story which was precisely designed to misrepresent and dehumanise African valour and achivement.
Second, they would hold up African American Christians to embarrass and expose empty American nominalism and supremacist nationalism, rather than using those very things to undermine African American achievement.
How is slavery a rejection of Christian faith when both the old and new testament have verses supporting slavery?
So the slave bible wasn't written by Christians and given to slaves by their Christian owners? Or is this a no true scotsman falacy situation where you say that any slave owner wasn't really a Christian (despite the bible giving specific instructions on where to get slaves and how to treat slaves and telling slaves to obey their masters but never once saying that slavery was bad and that you shouldn't own people).
Why isn't christianity treated the same way is because slavery is written into its religious texts, segregation however isn't written into the core of democracy and is against the very principle of it (you can't have democracy when some people have more of a voice than others).
@@charlestownsend9280
There's a lot packed into that, so you'll have to excuse the long response. I'll try to keep it as brief as possible.
Desecrating the Bible to produce a deliberately false copy, in order to exploit your fellows for money made from humiliation, torture, denial of humanity and all the other things which if I mention CZcams will simply delete, is a very odd thing to accuse Christians of doing. You draw on the no true Scotsman fallacy, but there is no such fallacy. No true Scotsman may count as an inappropriate argument in some cases, but it's not a fallacy.
Equivocation however, really is a fallacy. Christian means follower of Christ. To call people who desecrate scripture and reject Christ's example in order to gain the very thing Christ said one should never seek at the cost of another's, or one's own humanity, is equivocation in the highest degree.
Mark 8:36
1 Timothy 6:10
Jesus who, and whose apostles, neither owned nor treated anyone as a slave, came to proclaim Jubilee and set slaves free: Luke 4:18
And warned that you cannot serve two masters: Matthew 6:24.
So if you wish to defend your use of the term Christian against a charge of equivocation, you'll have to explain where these people you are talking about are getting their Christianity from, if not from Christ.
The so -called Slave Bible is a historical curiosity. It was an attempt to counter any possible spread of Christianity among enslaved people. Or perhaps more accurately to exploit a market in sordid monomania. It was not created to facilitate the spread of Christianity. There is a false view of slavery here, which, like all anti Christian propaganda, was created and popularised by the media and endorsed by the education system. Enslaved people were not rebellious and non compliant until being given or quoted Bible verses, at which point they became passive and complicit. Africans in America were not compliant with slavery. That idea, far from being any kind of history, is in fact, one of the most egregious insults used as a defence by plantation society. The fact that people are still perpetuating it, is evidence of just how much work is left for Americans to free their society from the racist contempt with which the powerful planter regimes have infected the entire culture.
No, the Slave Bible was not given to slaves, nor was any other Bible, because slaves were forbidden literacy, an informality which became law throughout the 19th century, precisely in response to the threat posed by missionaries. An enslaved person caught reading, learning to read, teaching others to read, could expect anything from having eyes or tongues gouged out to being executed.
So we're first dealing with three things:
1. Indefensible equivocation on the title Christian.
2. Historical misrepresentation of African compliance.
3. The entirely silly idea that Africans were indoctrinating themselves into compliance by reading the Bible.
No African American church, or Christian tradition was born out of or is traced in any way to the Slave Bible. Nor is any other church for that matter. It is simply a curious, and nasty relic and just one more of many.
To say that African America has a proud Christian history, would be understatement to the point of comedy. African Americans not only built one of the proudest Christian communities history can boast, it contends as the world's religious paragon. I really shouldn't need to, but I'll be more than happy to defend that claim. But I think someone's first question should be: why isn't that the popular representation of African American Christianity? Why isn't that the way we refer to African American Christianity? When and where did it earn the vicious contemp being spewed at it?
Slavery was an economic system controlled by violence, not a religious system controlled by indoctrination.
Maybe the sources propagating otherwise have a vested interest in protecting violence and its economic benefits from criticism. So will court irreverence for Jesus while indoctrinating reverence for green pieces of paper with icons of slavers and slave legislators printed in them, propped up by a system built by slavery and sustained by racism.
I had intended to respond to your comments on the Bible, which are false, and believe me, completely false, but this is already a long response. I'd certainly be happy to talk about those total misrepresentationsof what's being said in the Bible, but there's no point if you aren't actually interested.
Wow, I am an atheist, but I feel in love with this channel, because you all tackled the problems with an air of understanding that one would expect from an adult. This video upsets me. Not only is it not true it is borderline lying to your watchers. Do not use an apologist. This was like a video explaining why black people are stupid. AKA rude labeling and full of misinformation. This channel is better then this.
I thought her list of why people move to atheism was from her apologetics data and experience.
What part or parts are incorrect?
All they would have to do is get a sample from his mother and a sample from his fath o damn never mind
T.D. Jakes and all his rich pastor friends is a huge part of why church is destroyed now.
Why try to convert people? It reminds me of people who don't want to drink or smoke alone.
Why not have an actual conversation with an actual black atheist?
This is such a bad video and doesn't really touch on why people are atheists, which is basically because they haven't got enough evidence to believe that a god/s exists (that's literally it, that's atheism).
The moral aspect is something that is a problem with religion and christianity but again you fail to actually address the problem (instead you say that atheism, which is a lack of belief, as also lacking morality).
So if we use god for morality slavery is morally ok, abortion is morally ok, genocide is morally ok, etc.
Wow that slavery example is terrible. Also atheism has nothing to do with morality because atheism is just a lack of belief in a god. Maybe to talk to atheists you first should understand what atheism actually is.
I'm not an atheist but I agree with you. It appears that she's making a lot of assumptions. I'm pretty sure that are plenty atheist who aren't that way for science. These religious zealots and Christian apologist often make circular arguments and claimed to speak for God.
Ms. Wood, I take great offense to your hasty generalization fallacy whereas you asserted that atheists believe that religious people are "stupid". As an atheist, I do not hold that view and I do not appreciate the misrepresentation. It's fallacious and disingenuous. Most atheists were formerly theists; for your assertion to be credible, most atheists would view themselves as" stupid" for much or at least part of their existence. Please do better.
Ma'am with all due respect but you took 44 mins to not make any logical points at all. Sorry but I listened to you and u said nothing.
I think we can give the “Good News” and defend the faith scientifically, historically and physically when questions arise but we are not called to “convince” or “change” an atheist’s mind on if God is real.
We don’t have to prove creator to creation 😂. That’s God’s job to change. If they reject Christ, go about your day! You did your job.
That’s a part of the free will we have to choose whatever direction we want.
Matthew 7:13-14, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
We know that few will be led to righteousness.
The Gospel:
Plain and
Simple
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3
Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been
baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good
and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually
knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
the gospel is and has left a devastating effect
of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in
the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross
2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath
and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial,
and resurrection on our behalf that we are
able to have peace with God and forgiveness
of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good
news is unto all but only those that believe in
it are made righteous in Christ (Romans
3:22).
It is then after we have heard this good
news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit
and we are now part of Christ’s body the
church (Eph 1:13)
There is nothing that we need to do, no
good works that are required, and no bad
works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).
Faith and belief in this information from
God’s word is the gospel.
The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your
heart. The gospel is not making him lord of
your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not
being baptized with water.
So next time someone asks you if you are
saved. Give them the clear assured answer
“Yes! And let me tell you why!”
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