Tekken Pro breaks down how to overcome a plateau
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Speedkicks came on to help coach me through the dreaded purple ranks. And let's just say his advice def helped.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro / Summary of how I'm stuck
02:20 Replay Review PT 1
03:57 Wakeup Meta
05:26 Replay Review PT 2
07:45 Speedkick's analysis
13:20 Applying stuff in match vs Speedkicks
15:50 Using more tools
20:25 Takeaways from the sessions
23:40 Success Arc
Edited by Caste - / castehappy | Twitter: / castehappy
How To Overcome The Tekken 8 Intermediate Plateau FT Speedkicks
Pro Tekken 8 Players Helps me Overcome the Intermediate Plateau
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I hate that speedkicks explanation on spacing and movement within that space is exactly what I needed to hear but I would have NEVER found this gem of information if I wasn't subscribed to Diaphone and if I didn't decide to watch this video specifically. This is what I mean by fighting game knowledge is hard to find. It's difficult to find what you need simply because you don't know what you don't know and can't figure out how to search for something like that.
Yeah in tag 2 in character tutorials people used to have a recommended range they'd tell u to play the character at. Bygone tradition but I noticed during tekken 7 without that nobody mentions anything about spacing online to play at range 2 or 3. Even the lingo is dead damn near cus we have real numbers for range.
@@umwhoalol I assume it's because it turned into knowledge a tekken player "should already know". Makes me wonder what else is stuff I "should know" but don't. Welp, such is legacy fighting games. I'm having a blast with T8 either way.
The way tekken 7 didn’t hold my hand had me watching videos like crazy to learn as much as possible, right now I’m in like 4 different discords for tekken 8 😭
Well you also have to consider that you need to be at a certain level of play before this advice is even worth giving you.
And basically all educational content is targeted at beginners. You’re not going to find stuff like this packaged in a beginner’s guide.
This is past that.
Where is this in the vid? If you remember
This video was so fire.....
I like that you included some ranked at the end to try and implement, ty. A lot of times these sorts of vids end with the knowledge, which is still very useful, but seeing you learn and apply helps a lot as a viewer.
The part is about tekken being a "fast game" despite it being "slow" in a literal sense is SO true, and its true of most 3D games, because the amount of decisions you are constantly making is so high. This is partly because less stuff leads to full combos than most 2D fighters. I'm a huge fan of the soulcalibur series, and that game FEELS really fast despite it technically being even "slower" than tekken if you look at frame data, for two main reasons. #1: the movement is cracked, side stepping is even stronger in SC than it is in the past few iterations of tekken. #2, so little of your hits will convert in to combos, so you are constantly thinking like "okay im plus 6 at this distance with this specific hit, what can i do with that?" And on top of that the game has very string defense options so the rps is quite deep. So you are constantly making decisions instead of just auto piloting into combos/oki all of the time. Its not uncommon for multiple rounds in a row to be won without a single launch, death by 1000 cuts type of deal. Its certainly not for everybody but man i wish calibur got the love (and the netcode) it deserves😢
This just reminded me, it'd be so cool to see Diaphone try out Soulcalibur2! There's a small community which is really great, they made a mod where you can see frame data in practice mode and everything, but it's SO small. I really wish there were more people playing 😭
I think when people say Tekken is slow, they're not taking the lack of hitstop/blockstop into account. In a game like Guilty Gear, you have 3-8 frame buttons with 10-18 frames of hitstop (even more on counterhit). In Tekken, the game only stops for Rage Arts and Heat Bursts.
@jon630 This is also true, games like GG also have like more or less universal hit/block stop based off of "attack level" on different classes of normals, where as its kinda all over the place in 3D fighters, I remember running into moves in Soulcalibur where the move would be like -18 on block or some crazy shit like that and you would never know from the animation, so you have to just get really good at seeing that attack animation and immediately associating it with a certain punish on your character.
SoulCal side step is so nice. In Tekken they feel awful
As someone playing Tekken 8 seriously, really trying to learn the game, this video was so dope. It helped me see the game a bit differently and realized now some of the things I can work on. W vid.
Great info, I'm stuck in purple as well so this is gold!
the way you show examples in your videos when you guys are talking about specific moves is genius. and very immersive, amazing cuts and edits
This helped me more than I thought.
I was also stuck in Mighty Ruler.
After this vid, I went on a win streak and just hit Flame Ruler
congrats on blue ranks, actually being good at tekken feels so nice since there are so many different options in this game and makes your gameplay feel really individual grinding up purple ranks as well currently and hope to play you in blue ranks soon
Loved the video and awesome advice from speedkicks! I'm at Garyu with Asuka right now, and now I need to get to some grinding.
That was a great session. Sometimes I would forget something as basic as a jab check too, but it's so important. At least until my opponent keeps doing high crush moves haha. Then it's important to mix it up with a mid check
You're almost at 100k, congrats!
Thank you very much for making this kind of video, it's something I don't see a lot of people talk about and something I personally just beat
God dang I think this finally got the one jab concept clicking for me. After hearing the how and why in various vids over the last two months, and losing to it, I think I finally get it lol. 🙏 THX!
Just the video I needed. Also weird me and you main the same characters in every game. It’s pretty crazy.
i learned alot from this video. thnx alot for sharing this with us. shout out to speedkicks for the help
It's interesting because a lot of these Tekken fundamentals I just kind of ran into and it instinctively got baked into me after thousands of matches so it's kind of interesting to just hear it being conveyed in words
Good info as a Victor main, I'm at flame ruler, but suffer from almost the same problems. You've got a sub from me!
an upload from my father once again
I’m a Nina Flame Ruler and I hit my ceiling. Time to train 💪 Thanks for the upload
Yoooo same flame is my ceiling without labbing so time for me to lock in
Same. Currently watching some replays and messing around with other chars. Considering resting from ranked and praticing reactions on practice mode.😅😅
@@sLasHeRxXx07 Nice bro we gotta keep pushing 💪
I was able to hit blue ranks finally 😁
@@shadowfrces3171 I’m halfway to Fujin nice.
Ok this session also opened my eyes I keep getting lost in the midrange game
id really appreciate if you could do a video on the fundamentals of fighting games, as new player and someone who really wants to get in the fgc i always hear people talking about getting good at fundamentals but not everyone talk about what they are, i know im probably asking for something stupid or to simple that it shouldn't even be a question but i would really appreciate a talk about this topic, anyways thanks for everyone on fgc for being so welcoming
I have like 6 hours on the demo of tekken 8 because I've been a bit tight on money and juat with what little amount of content i have i can say I'm loving this game, can't wait to buy it!!!
Man great stuff here!
Peoples custom character either be waifu or JJK
Watch me pull up with my Nanami Steve
@@ividboy7616i got the nanami bryan
I spent 1 week mashing my head againt Ganryu and even got demotef to Eliminator. But I managed to get to Shinryu. It felt great
Stuck in Fuji playing too patient and not enough mix up grabs
Currently on the mighty/flame ruler plateau. Hoping to get out somehow
lol'd at 24:27 "poor guy having to play me after SpeedKicks coaching"
I seriously confuse this dude with brain_f all the time
You know what I’ll take it lol
I main victor so damn im about to try this
Im a Reina main and NEED to get out if orange ranks im in Vanquisher, help🥺🙏
1 Jab is mad good lol people get salty that I use it to much, which I probably do but it’s super useful
I'm having problems with people who seem to have perfect defense. I play Steve Fox so it sort of feels like everybody knows the matchup so well which puts the onus of skill on me. Specifically, I feel like to improve my defense needs to improve. I'm thinking about just getting every character to rank 15 to improve my sense of match-up knowledge.
One of the easiest things the double jab is a game changer single kicks
Funny how at 24:43 your camera comes back into focus the moment you say focus, lol.
diaphone's custom would be fine if he kept victor's beard, without it he's absolutely cursed
Bro went against DennyMaz 🔥🔥🔥
Shhhiiiiiiiiii… get me TO Mighty Ruler. 😂
2:20 is that Shinobu Sensui?
Edit: How tf do I find speedkicks?
3:43 LOL spot the SF player
My platoue:
Got into red ranks -> lose a lot -> get demoted -> win some matches -> get promoted again
On and on
Shit's hard :(
Same I'm right there with you
Fuck, I struggle with a lot of the same things as a 2d player moving over to Tekken, this video is so incredibly helpful!
1:11 I'm sorry is that a Jeremy Fragrance outfit you've made 😂
The fact that you say you dont know what to check your opponent on plus with AND youre in purple ranks just goes to show how braindead Victor is lol
Don't expose me like this lol
Victor was pretty much made to sell copies. Game will properly develop once he gets nerfed lol.
I don't know how he is made to sell copies, I hate him. He's like noctis to me.
But at the same time I hate everyone I'm fighting in this. That's the only game that makes that impression on me. Elsewhere there's only a handful of characters you don't like playing against (JP, Kimberly, Rashid and Guile for example).
Here it's the entire cast.
What's even weirder is I can' t stand mirror matches as Reina. They're all better than me unless they drop their controller or something.
It proves diaphones talent and general fighting game prowess actually, victor isnt getting a noob to purples
Victor was literally made because Noctis was the 2nd best selling DLC character and they wanted to keep the Noctis fans for T8
jab is good
jab is lyfe
use em jabs
Dude casually destroyed DennyMaz after getting the best advice one could get in this game
You shouldn't rush to get out of purple, you should really take advantage of your time in those ranks to learn the game. You still have many bad habits like mashing "expulsion" after eating moves on hit, I saw it on your stream a few times. The difference between people at blue and above is that they have all learned when to press and when not to, they understand the game and will take advantage of someone who mashes fairly quickly
Lmao was that Tom Brady at the end?
diaphone going to tekken therapy huh
I wouldn’t call purple rank intermediate, if you count the total number of people that purchased Tekken 8 and you were in the top 1%, I am in the purple rank and that puts me on the leaderboard of the top 10,000 (so I’m sure this applies to you as well) for arguments sake let’s say 1 million copies of the game was sold which is definitely more. What is 1% of 1 million the answer is 10,000. So your in top 1%. Now taking into consideration that the majority of people that purchased a game are not good at it and do not play online matches (mainly because they play for fun) out of the competitive people playing you’re probably better than 80% of them at purple. Intermediate would be orange rank.
I suppose, but at the same time I definitely wouldn't call myself an advanced Tekken player with like less than 100 hours into the series (I can just remove intermediate from the title tho lol)
I think you gotta separate general audience vs tournament play here. IE he is well above average as a person playing Tekken, but he's just hitting the intermediate skill lvl of like a 2-2 / 3-2 player in tournament play. Which is the metric allot of higher lvl players in fgs (Diaphone) have. IE if you ask a Strive or SF high lvl player if the average Master or Celestial player is good, you'll get a resounding "hell no!". When compared to your grandma they are Gods of the game.
@@Raptor12213 what I said is mathematically true you could ask anybody, you can’t compare the average person or even people that are good at the game to professional players. Not to take anything away from professional player they are exceptionally really good at the game but there’s only about a couple 1000 of them out of millions of people that bought the game. let’s be real if your in purple rank you’re doing great. Do you realize the small amount of people that are in the blue rank and above. Blue rank is basically a lot of tournament players and above that are the best of the best. Like I said being in purple rank is being in the top 1% of everybody and you’re probably better than 80% of people that are competitively playing. Numbers don’t lie. The guy on this channel he’s a lot better than he’s giving himself credit for that’s all I’m saying. (I don’t know what rank you are but go ahead check if you were in purple rank you’re going to be on the leaderboard right now or really close)
@Raptor12213 Well, let’s take that logic with something like basketball? Would you say that NBA players who are “average” in regards to the rest of the competition should be considered intermediate? I personally wouldn’t. I would still call them top tier compared to everyone else in the world.
@@NotHere-un5pf lol I don’t know how to explain it any better than I already have just read everything I’ve said until you get it. Or maybe ask a math teacher in school. You can’t compare a professional player that is in the 0.01% the players and think if your not on there lvl your not good. As for your basketball comment I’m sure there are really good players out there that are better than 99% of people in the world at basketball but could they beat Michael Jordan NO. Being in the top 1% is a huge feet, being the best or being able to play at the best level is only going to be occupied by a handful of people.
is it just me or is the Xbox version like slow motion?
oh its PS but stil it feels like slow motion
purple ranks on T8 are red in T7
I wanna play you to help, cause I learned some Kim tech from you
Get out of purple ranks by using a cheese character to get to Gold ranks
Why is speedkicks named Bun Bo Hue 🤣 based name honestly, Vietnamese food is top tier
Playing Victor? MightyRuler Victor is like Warrior Bryan 😂😂😂
Making me feel better as a Bryan player lol
Victor is brain dead 😂
@@El-Burrito Bryan is honest and hard to play champ. Good for you for not picking ninjashit
You should just play Victor then to rank up your Bryan. According to you that's easier.
@@rdubyeah I don't want to play Victor. It purely designed and not corelate well with Tekken itself. I hope he will be nerfed heavily
Diaphone being mighty ruler gives me hope 🥰🤣 I’m sitting at flame ruler and I haven’t taken tekken ranked serious since t6 🤡 I just need to lab matchups and I might be able to hit top ranks.
Keep it up bro you can go far!
f1 is best move in the game lol. SK the goat
This is great content but i feel like as a coach i wouldnt want my paid coaching sessions to be public
yooo victor needs a KFC Colonel skin!!
Bun bo hue is good shit
I thought you were naked at the start when you said "my goat"....
I literally cannot get any further than garyu cause while I'm trying to pressure with Lili they just mash and it screws me over
So you anticipate their mash and you step with Lili. Bait their press. If they are beating you with mashing, the problem is on you
Lili literally is the character with everything you could hope for to destroy turtles AND mashers. You're doing something very wrong 😭
Dont call top 2,000 intermediate 😂😂😂
And don't be arguing with this
top 2000 for the character, theres 32 characters
You right lol, it’s sometimes hard to take that perspective when you getting cooked in ranked tho LOL
@@Diaphonebro you're humble bragging just because you feel bad winning (top 2,000 world) doesn't mean your intermediate.
By the ranked numbers your top 10%
Professional downplayers. Wouldn't want anyone to feel like they've accomplished anything in life, right? No fun allowed in the brilliant FGC.
Victor is a gimmick character like gon was in Tekken 3
Takeaway = jab
10:00
Just throw them, your char has bugged unbreakable throws.
Carried by victor
Unless you only want to play against the same 10 people over and over again, I would stop ranking up much more.
I feel like this is just what happens in pretty much every game at the higher ranks. Whether it's fighting games, Overwatch, Destiny, or just about anything, you keep hearing about the players up top playing each other all the time. I'm sure there are pros and cons but I imagine some people might actually appreciate that for various reasons.
@@LeoKRogue Its only in ranked, but quick match is such a mixed bag that it is hard to have fun sometimes. My region just doesn't have much past purple at the moment.
GET UP KICKS ARE SAFE? WHAT?
Victor is busted bro, just grab and cheese till max rank! 😂
Soriz to master
is the pro player vietnamese? he got bun bo hue as his username
Spoiler alert it's Victor
Im stuck in eliminator or lower hahahahahaha
7:34 literal twins
No offence but a victor gives an explanation or trying to tell you something, nah..
You are playing Victor, what plateau? 😂
engagement comment xd
As an elitist, victor disgusts me
I would've respected you if you did it on your own
You hit a wall becasue your BS dosent work anymore likely youll fall out of purples as people understand more and this patch happens being frfr
Tekken 8 they make it abit easier than Tekken 7, it's easy to execute combo wave dash and ewgf easy yeah i guess it's for the new players, especially the special style. Need balancing in the game. Dragunov is ridiculous, Hwoarang is yeah Hwoarang mash it you win, King is strong with 50.50 grab, Jin easy friendly to play, Victor grab is bug and when everything is lost "EXPRESSION" 😂. Nonetheless it's a great game.
I don't get the advice of being at range 2. This is the range where you can
be mixup to death in neutral.
You're a grear youtuber but im gonna be honest, it's not really hard to rank up with victor, he kinda flows well into high ranks. if you wanna test yourself try a less gimmicky character.
bluds a victor player
I don tunderstand how people get high ranks in tekken, but then can not get outof the higher rank. Tekken is the only game where you can button mash, and or play tactical. So yall just be fighting people that trade iwn? or fighting lower rank people or some sht? Cus when I play tekken, I get to a point where people are more patient, then I switch characters, or play a little more patient too, and I start winning again. I don't get how people get stuck in low ranks and high ranks ina game where you literally have to learn everything you do, because at a very clear point, button mashing become incapable. Im ppretty sure yall just play bad players, then get boosted from the hours when no good players are on, and youstart getting clapped in the rank because your rank is inflated, and you don't actually suk you are just boosted af
Yea ranked is a bit whack, when I first started as a newer player, all the way up to red ranks I've fought ppl 2-3 ranks higher then myself. The moment I hit red rank that's when I started fighting more of a mix of ppl my rank, and lower. We'll see what happens now that I'm in purple ranks.
@pureisepic3035 can I ask what helped you get out of red ranks stuck in shinryu
its mainly bc you played Victor you got purple ranks lmfao. Pick up Kaz or someone with literal no tools and see how sweet shit really is online lol. You just get so much juggle and wall carry mechanics with Victor its borderline easy mode. Meanwhile I am trying to get frame perfect links with Kaz, Victor players just mashing easy pressure
Victor, such a cheap char
Victor being a cheap ass character
Your being carried by Victor... Nobody knows the character yet...
Yeah u got no fundamentals playing with that bot character then u hit a wall n are like wtf I thought I was really good
Victor takes no skill 😂😂😂
Then, I expect to see a Victor player win a tournament with their eyes closed.
Who you play, how you play, garbage. no respect 🤷🏽♂️
I love how the first thing this dude teaches is dash jab. What an absolutely useless coach. At this level you will die for dash jabbing. His issue is not movement. Its the inability to create space via other means and maintain space. This is the most fundamental skill in intermediate tekken. Its a shame that people will fall for this trap as I have in the past. This does not make you better. It just makes your learning of the game inconsistent. Saj
Going to take those 3 tips to try and get out of red. Struggling with the same things 🫡