How Beautiful Was Laena Velaryon in the books 📚

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  • Did you know in the books Laena Velaryon was considered one of the most beautiful women in Westeros? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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Komentáře • 663

  • @s4m1r_65
    @s4m1r_65 Před 11 měsíci +1782

    They shouldn't have changed her age. She was around Rhaenyra's age in the books. They made her and Laenor younger. Laenor was alive in the books during the Council of 101.

    • @sainag2076
      @sainag2076 Před 11 měsíci +35

      Wasn't Rhaenyra 8 year old at the start of the book

    • @user-zv2vm8bd8h
      @user-zv2vm8bd8h Před 11 měsíci +94

      She was 5 years older than Rhaenyra in the book. Laena is one of the characters they butchered. her death especially was character assassination.

    • @Daniel-ug4pu
      @Daniel-ug4pu Před 11 měsíci +51

      And they make alcient younger too so dumb they just want people to feel sorry for her and that ruins her as a character

    • @user-zv2vm8bd8h
      @user-zv2vm8bd8h Před 11 měsíci +35

      @@Daniel-ug4pu Making her younger was a backwards decision that damaged Viserys as a character. It's not like they could have her being like an older sister to Rhaenyra so they can have the friendship between the two characters that they wanted. I like what they are are doing with their relationship but making them the same age was very stupid.

    • @ezell704
      @ezell704 Před 11 měsíci +16

      They shouldn’t of made her black 🤦🏻‍♂️
      And even if they did making her kids even blacker just became ridiculous 😂

  • @deathoftheendless
    @deathoftheendless Před 11 měsíci +958

    There might not had been a civil war if Viserys married Laena.

    • @xCoatlicuex
      @xCoatlicuex Před 11 měsíci +122

      No, because Velaryon would have put their first male heir in the throne for sure. They were more powerfull and capable of direct confrontation.

    • @yusufraage8554
      @yusufraage8554 Před 11 měsíci +41

      @@xCoatlicuex They had more dragon riders to, Rheanyra and Deamon to Leana, Leanor and Rheana.

    • @karinaashmon
      @karinaashmon Před 11 měsíci +55

      ​@@xCoatlicuexthey would have married their kids

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Před 11 měsíci +79

      ​@@xCoatlicuex just have Laenor marry Rhaenyra so Laenor becomes consort and/or have one of Rhaenyra's sons marry one of Laena's daughters. Its not that hard tbh

    • @karamanid
      @karamanid Před 11 měsíci +13

      ​@@ifeeldead463wouldn't change the outcome if Viserys still had a male heir

  • @Widowssaep
    @Widowssaep Před 11 měsíci +1056

    Never gonna understand how someone like daemon pulled laena and rhaenyra

    • @Rajarshi_X
      @Rajarshi_X Před 11 měsíci +71

      your idea of masculinity is flawed bro 😹

    • @blazeblade761
      @blazeblade761 Před 11 měsíci +281

      It's really simple. First, he comes from pure valyrian descent, which means he's inhumanly beautiful he also was described as dashing daring and charming something I think both laena and rhaenyra would like

    • @shadeyreign
      @shadeyreign Před 11 měsíci +1

      He is the bad boy. You must not understand women in general

    • @cali.girllivinnnevada8
      @cali.girllivinnnevada8 Před 11 měsíci +53

      It’s called POWER

    • @julianrosado5698
      @julianrosado5698 Před 11 měsíci +78

      He has a fckn badass dragon bro

  • @mubarakusman9184
    @mubarakusman9184 Před 11 měsíci +112

    Laena and Rhaenyra were described to be very close in the books and the dance was triggered in part by the Hightowers’ scheming to put their descendant on the throne. I don’t think it makes sense to say that the dance would still happen cause that would be ignoring a lot of the context surrounding it in the first place.

    • @mesa577
      @mesa577 Před 11 měsíci +11

      you kinda ignored what caused the dance in the first place, having two families with claims to the throne and a female heir in a male dominant world just insures a power struggle. if not they directly them their descendants or supporters would fight for it with dragons, alliances and armies.

    • @radioactive_sunflowerz2450
      @radioactive_sunflowerz2450 Před 10 měsíci +5

      ​@@KitKalyes and Laena as well as Corlys would have been more agreeable to marrying the kids together to settle any ambitions of Corlys so he'd still have his blood on the throne

    • @SetsunaKai5
      @SetsunaKai5 Před 10 měsíci +5

      All else the same, Rhaenyra would still have had illegitimate children and the dance would have just kicked off as the Targaryens Vs the Velaryons.
      As the Velaryons wouldn't have wanted Strong bastards on the throne instead of their true heirs from Viserys X Laena.
      While Viserys would have stuck with the terrible and unpopular decision that Rhaenyra should succeed him.

  • @hannahsmart4494
    @hannahsmart4494 Před 11 měsíci +111

    The Dance wouldn't have taken place if Laena and Viserys married.
    Rhaenyra and Daemon would still have been caught in a compromising situation regardless when Rhaenyra kept refusing to pick a husband, and Otto would likely be trying to scheme to get Laena's children under his thumb when it became clear to him Rhaenyra saw right through his schemes.
    Thus Rhaenyra would still have been made to marry quickly, most likely to Laenor as Corlys knows full well that Viserys has Rhaenyra as heir instead of Daemon and wants to be sure his blood ends up on the Throne regardless so will push for the match.
    Then with Corlys having his lineage (whether actually biologically related or not) on the Iron Throne, the matter of the succession will be decided most likely peacefully as a family matter.

    • @karamanid
      @karamanid Před 11 měsíci +14

      Instead of Otto it would have been Corlys scheming if he had a male grandson

    • @mesa577
      @mesa577 Před 11 měsíci +6

      not how its gonna go down if viserys had a son woth the velaryon girl and with deamon and rheanyra still being somewhat together the hightowers will be forced to support the velaryons meaning the dance will happen but end quicker with the velaryons and hightowers winning

    • @hannahsmart4494
      @hannahsmart4494 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@mesa577 Except why would Corlys bother picking a side or even scheming with Otto when either way a descendent of his name is on the Iron Throne?
      That's the whole point. Corlys' ambitions is why he supported Rhaenyra when the Dance started, he didn't care so much about blood than names. Whether they shared his blood or not, Corlys always saw Rhaenyra's children as his grandchildren. He would obviously support his grandchildren over anyone else when it comes to how the story was actually written. Even if it means going back on his previously held belief that Daemon is the heir on account of being male.
      He also does not like Otto Hightower. Corlys is no fool, he knows Otto Hightower has the ear of the king like nobody else on the council has, what Otto Hightower says goes essentially, and it was Otto Hightower making sure Viserys never aided Corlys with the Stepstones until forced to, always pushing for the "diplomatic" route.
      If either way, whether Rhaenyra becomes queen, or his potential grandson from Laena becomes king, Corlys has his descendent on the Throne, his dislike of Otto will probably push him to scheme against Otto to get him further away from Viserys than anything else.
      Corlys would have more incentive to keep the house together, as now his family would be split too if a Dance occurs.
      Corlys and Viserys would work together, most likely to secure Rhaenyra's succession as Viserys' mind won't really change in this scenario either, and if the Hightowers try to scheme to put Laena's children on the Throne they would not get nearly as much support due to not being related to the monarch they're leading the fight to impose.

    • @hannahsmart4494
      @hannahsmart4494 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@karamanid Corlys isn't that much of a schemer. I mean he does scheme, but not like Otto Hightower. He'd probably just go and have a frank conversation with Viserys and they'd sort it out that way, after all either way Corlys would be guaranteed a grandson or granddaughter on the Iron Throne, and being married to Rhaenys he'd probably be happy enough with Rhaenyra who he already liked well enough and she already liked him well enough.

    • @radioactive_sunflowerz2450
      @radioactive_sunflowerz2450 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah and Laena as well as Corlys would have been more agreeable to marrying their children together to help succession complaints. Also with the Velaryons already secured rhaenyra may not have been forced to marry Laenor, though of the brothel incident still happened this could still happen

  • @JoSheperd
    @JoSheperd Před 11 měsíci +148

    Mushroom strikes again 💀

  • @bloodandempire
    @bloodandempire Před 11 měsíci +325

    She's one of the most beautiful women on the show too. She has a diff skin tone than the source material but the actress is still spot on for the description of book laena

    • @xperiuscastello8613
      @xperiuscastello8613 Před 10 měsíci +8

      Lol

    • @cloroxholic
      @cloroxholic Před 10 měsíci +20

      she's trully stunning

    • @lt2891
      @lt2891 Před 10 měsíci +17

      LOL no she really isn't

    • @jakeraught4939
      @jakeraught4939 Před 10 měsíci

      She’s not that pretty, and it makes no sense how her 1/4 black children were darker than her when 1/4 black oriole look white essentially, meanwhile her kids were out here looking like full blooded African tribe people, especially the chil actresses

    • @SetsunaKai5
      @SetsunaKai5 Před 10 měsíci +26

      I didn't like the race swap. But I think the main reason they did it was to help make clear for the audience, that Rhaenyra's children were Strong boys and not half black.

  • @3choblast3r4
    @3choblast3r4 Před 11 měsíci +555

    The Valeryons looks exactly like the Targeryans in the books. They are from the same place. They have been intermarrying and mixing with each other for ages. It makes no sense that one family is pale white and the other is black.

    • @tyfoparalax8894
      @tyfoparalax8894 Před 11 měsíci +93

      It is said in the show that the Targaryens were higher class citizens in Valyria and that the Velaryons settled at the coast which made them travel around and marry with exotic people

    • @mesa577
      @mesa577 Před 11 měsíci +130

      ​@@tyfoparalax8894but wouldn't that make the targs look more like them ? they are basically the same family at the point of the dance genetics wise.

    • @tyfoparalax8894
      @tyfoparalax8894 Před 11 měsíci +108

      @@mesa577 That is a very good point. I can’t defend the show anymore and I have to say that the showrunners doesn’t give a shit about How genetics work

    • @mnicolemortensen7
      @mnicolemortensen7 Před 11 měsíci +141

      I think they did it for one diversity and two because it makes it more obvious that Rhaynera's children are not Laenors.

    • @connaeris8230
      @connaeris8230 Před 11 měsíci +70

      It makes no sense but it is what it is, it certainly isn't a big problem. If you let a minor detail decide whether you like the series or not, you should redefine your priorities. Rhaenyra was also different, both in appearance and characterization, and in my opinion that's a much bigger change.

  • @nunyabiznes33
    @nunyabiznes33 Před 11 měsíci +18

    "As pretty as her BROTHER."
    Wut? Mushroom trying to throw shade or something.

  • @alesh2275
    @alesh2275 Před 11 měsíci +405

    The Velaryons aren’t black in the books.
    They had very Valyrian features.
    Aegon the Conqueror and his sister-wives were all half Velaryon.

    • @connaeris8230
      @connaeris8230 Před 11 měsíci +13

      Yeah that would probably be retconned now that the Velaryons are black. Seeing how people reacted to that, I don't think they would want to make Aegon and his sister's biracial 😬

    • @TheKickass85
      @TheKickass85 Před 11 měsíci +57

      ​​@@connaeris8230it wasn't retcon the story comes from the author himself these books have been printed long time ago they're not going to just reprint the books and make the race black or African , I'm African-American I don't believe in race swapping characters that was originally portrayed as Caucasian in the books just appeal to a agenda 😂

    • @streetcar5244
      @streetcar5244 Před 11 měsíci +27

      @@TheKickass85 “I’m African American” 💀 💀

    • @TheKickass85
      @TheKickass85 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@streetcar5244 cool

    • @devorahacts
      @devorahacts Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@TheKickass85the agenda was for the story, to make the strong boys look more obvious as bastards. I think that's actually a good reason. We really didn't need 50 people on the show who all looked exactly alike. It would have been ridiculous.

  • @ifeeldead463
    @ifeeldead463 Před 11 měsíci +47

    I doubt there would be a dance, or at least there would be a lesser chance of a dance tbh
    Think of it:
    - Laena marries Viserys, maybe they have Laenor marry Rhaenyra but thats optional since Laena's queen.
    - Then have one of Laena's twins marry either Jace or Luc
    - The Velaryon's are cool with it as long as Corlys gets the power and influence he wants
    - Rhaenyra's boys and the twins get along anyway so even if they dont have romantic feelings, they can at least be friends in a lavender marriage
    - Tho, I think things will still sour if Laena still dies due to birth complications and dragonfire but at least the twins are still ok ig?
    - Less Allicent and Rhaenyra drama (honestly, I missed those two when they were friends) (also, this is IF Otto doesnt swallow his pride and wed Allicent to Daemon)
    Idk, this is just my two cents. Correct me if Im wrong anywherw

    • @XVlove
      @XVlove Před 11 měsíci +8

      Laena's twins were all girls, so Rhaenyra would still be higher in the succession line being the heir since only males would take priority. But even if she had a boy, she would probably be far more interested in Flying than the crown, and it would be the boy or the Velaryon who wanted to put the boy on the throne.

    • @xCoatlicuex
      @xCoatlicuex Před 11 měsíci +8

      Corlys wanted someone of his blood and name in the throne. His family would have put any male heir coming from Laena as king.

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Před 11 měsíci +5

      ​@@XVloveexactly, and since Rhaenyra has son and Laena has daughters, may as well marry them to secure Targaryen rule, get more dragon riders and keep Corlys on their side

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@xCoatlicuex yes but since Laena has daughters and Rhaenyra has sons, best solution would just to put one of the boys and one of the girls in an arranged marriage

    • @janalerotic4266
      @janalerotic4266 Před 11 měsíci +8

      ok but there wouldnt be twins because she would marry viserys but yeah I dont think the dance wouldve happend because it is said that there was something going on w rhaenyra laena and daemon

  • @noway6633
    @noway6633 Před 7 měsíci +11

    The art depicting them as black will never stop being hilarious

    • @CT_Phipps
      @CT_Phipps Před měsícem

      They are in the showverse. Life goes on.

  • @UmmFulaana
    @UmmFulaana Před 11 měsíci +5

    Apparently most of these women were among the most beautiful

  • @xiaoxin2859
    @xiaoxin2859 Před 11 měsíci +197

    I just don’t like how they made her and Corlys black just for the sake of diversity. They could have done it with another character, like Cristion Cole or something. There is a reason the Velyarons are white. They are meant to be the blood of old Valyria just like the Targs. I have no problem if they made some other characters black but when they change someone that is white for a reason like Snow White you start to realize how much they are forcing it in regardless of story.

    • @mitjakosuta6084
      @mitjakosuta6084 Před 11 měsíci +63

      not to mention they made the debates over the legitimacy of Rhaenyra's first three children even more surreal.

    • @tomasfish9448
      @tomasfish9448 Před 11 měsíci +1

      STF bro it’s a movie who give a fuck what colour they are just enjoy the movie

    • @stc3145
      @stc3145 Před 11 měsíci +33

      Rhanerya has 3 children and with a father that is black yet all three are white, makes it more obvious they have a different father.

    • @cristianbejarano2000
      @cristianbejarano2000 Před 11 měsíci +35

      Yeah it don’t make any sense, by that logic house targeryon should be black aswell sense aegon mother and jaehaerys mothers were also velaryon

    • @fel_zharost
      @fel_zharost Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@mitjakosuta6084 at least you could fully share poor Vaemond’s rage

  • @svant3
    @svant3 Před 11 měsíci +16

    She was beautiful (and white)

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +8

      Get over it. The actors were great and Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @evok3226
      @evok3226 Před 11 měsíci +6

      You should try and rest your clipboards. She maybe white in the books but she is black in the show. No one can change it anymore so get over it. Talking or commenting on it won't change it

    • @xperiuscastello8613
      @xperiuscastello8613 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Hence why she was beautiful. Such an ugly woman in the show for someone said to be so beautiful in the books, such a pity.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@xperiuscastello8613 bro looking at your pfp you have no business calling anyone ugly 💀

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@xperiuscastello8613 bro you just don’t know when to stop digging huh 💀

  • @SK-ut6tw
    @SK-ut6tw Před 11 měsíci +12

    Why did they make them black? The books they literally where Valerian and looked just like the targeryans.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The actors were great and Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @Ammoniumbicarbonat
      @Ammoniumbicarbonat Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@ezrafriesner8370plenty of fans who know it wasn’t originally intended to be this way

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@Ammoniumbicarbonat yeah and originally John snow and Sansa Stark were supposed to be in a love triangle with Tyrion Lannister. Martin evolves his story when new ideas present themselves.

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 Před 10 měsíci +3

      For money. That is why. The actors are good but are not convincing and stick out like a sore thumb. They coulda found actors that looked good for the role. Next they will be casting a chinese man to play Queen Victoria cause he is a 'good actor'. All for diversity wokeness.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@jamiemohan2049 bro this is fantasy, we don’t need to have “accurate” racial castings for this because it’s not trying to portray any sense of reality. If Martin gave it all the go ahead with his active say in casting, why are you upset?

  • @sergeanttentacles1359
    @sergeanttentacles1359 Před 11 měsíci +8

    She wasn’t black either.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci

      Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @RewindThatwithMsKay
      @RewindThatwithMsKay Před 10 měsíci +1

      We know...sheesh!

    • @sergeanttentacles1359
      @sergeanttentacles1359 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@ezrafriesner8370 It really damages the immersiveness of the show. You have these exotic looking white haired basically albino people and they’re somehow related to fully black people with the same colored hair?

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@sergeanttentacles1359 I think you’re confusing the shows interpretation with what Martin actually envisioned. In the books valyrians are described as tall, deep violet eyed, beautiful and with silver OR gold hair. Those are the key Valyrian traits, houses like the Daynes show that you can have those traits while still belonging to a darker skinned ethnic group. Notice how the show didn’t make dany especially tall, or give any of the other valyrians golden hair. That sort of albino-esque design is just one interpretation of Valyrian traits, and the fact we only see the one family is no indication their entire ethnicity is like that, just like how you can go to India and find people who have skin tone that goes all the way from olive to super dark, and yet they can all still call themselves Indian.

    • @sergeanttentacles1359
      @sergeanttentacles1359 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@ezrafriesner8370 Indians are not an ethnic group, Indians are a nationality and India has such a huge variety of ethnic groups all with different physical features. Valyrians are quite clearly an ethnic group, all originating from Old Valyria. You could not conceivably have the elf like albino features of Valyria combined with the obviously African physical features of an African, and magically pretend like they’re the same ethnicity.

  • @lutherwilcox2249
    @lutherwilcox2249 Před 11 měsíci +5

    she also was white

  • @Rannos22
    @Rannos22 Před 11 měsíci +20

    I really hate people using the inaccurate HBO version of her

    • @tyf.5111
      @tyf.5111 Před 10 měsíci +9

      Get over it, it's a fantasy book it isn't real.

    • @Faye-Jane
      @Faye-Jane Před 10 měsíci +4

      Who cares it’s literally a show

    • @RewindThatwithMsKay
      @RewindThatwithMsKay Před 10 měsíci +3

      He used both, the black and the white one. I guess to satisfy the ppl who can't get over it 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @si-jd9oq
      @si-jd9oq Před 9 měsíci

      @@tyf.5111 Why is this comment section full of people like you?
      Dull sheep that can't think beyond surface level.
      Making Velayrons black completely nulls a major plot point in the show.
      So what if it's fictional? Why are we allowing corporations to butcher literature?

    • @si-jd9oq
      @si-jd9oq Před 9 měsíci

      @@Faye-Jane Found another dull sheep

  • @3choblast3r4
    @3choblast3r4 Před 11 měsíci +24

    wasn't black in the original ..

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Get over it. The actors were great and Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @alisonyoung7289
      @alisonyoung7289 Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@ezrafriesner8370 My only issue with it was that it sorta made the strong bastard issue obvious and stupid because they clearly weren't half black lol. But wokies gonna woke no matter how much sense it doesn't make.

    • @Void0420
      @Void0420 Před 10 měsíci +1

      You’re fine it will be ok

    • @Void0420
      @Void0420 Před 10 měsíci +2

      What does it matter what race they are, calm down

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@alisonyoung7289 you say that like it’s a bad thing, the show doesn’t get to be as ambiguous as the book, it has to make a choice about these things. Also woke is absolutely meaningless and you sound like a muppet for using it

  • @attiepollard7847
    @attiepollard7847 Před 11 měsíci +50

    Hey black guy here. Even I have a problem with them reckoning the valerians as black.

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +15

      But not Martin it would seem. I say unless he’s upset with it we have no reason to be

    • @attiepollard7847
      @attiepollard7847 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ezrafriesner8370 the minute he shows that he's upset they're going to boycott him and drained him of all the riches that he's enjoying right. I'm quietly sure privately he has issues

    • @RewindThatwithMsKay
      @RewindThatwithMsKay Před 10 měsíci +6

      ​@@ezrafriesner8370exactly. It's time to move on. 😊

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@RewindThatwithMsKay Aye that, bonkers how people obsess about this more then actual legit issues the show might have 😂

    • @janavi3090
      @janavi3090 Před 10 měsíci +1

      It's velaryons not valerians

  • @arunakoyanbron8927
    @arunakoyanbron8927 Před 11 měsíci +14

    If laena married viserys and had a son, the Velaryons would put their full support behind laena's son to be next heir. Rhaenyra would've stood no chance

    • @dineshbalu6107
      @dineshbalu6107 Před 11 měsíci +10

      U do realize that Viserys named her heir long before his marriage right?? 😂🤣

    • @arunakoyanbron8927
      @arunakoyanbron8927 Před 11 měsíci

      @@dineshbalu6107 And she ruined it by having a bunch of bastards. The Velaryons, if laena became queen, would put their full support behind laena's son. Rhaenys was already snubbed her inheritance once, she won't let the same happen to her daughter's kid. Viserys was a weak king. His words held no real power once he dies

  • @VersieKilgannon
    @VersieKilgannon Před 10 měsíci +5

    It just dawned on me how exactly the dance could still happen. If Laena married Viserys, Corlys wouldn't have a reason to back Rhaenyra's claim to the throne. He wouldn't have pretended that her children were legitimate. He would have pushed Viserys to name his firstborn son with Laena as his heir. And he would have felt slighted enough to start a war if/when Viserys stuck to his guns

  • @timtheenchanter989
    @timtheenchanter989 Před 11 měsíci +102

    Black washing them in the shower was so stupid. The Targaryens were supposed to be huge supremacists with their blood but they drop that logic for the show

    • @fallenknight3016
      @fallenknight3016 Před 11 měsíci +32

      what did you expect from the woke dominated media we live today

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Před 11 měsíci +18

      Dude, they were open with marrying outside of the family as long as its with other royalty. Hell, Laena was almost married to some foreign rich dude before Daemon killed him and generations later Rhaegar married a Martell. They dont care abt the other party's ethnicity as long as they get benefits from it like dragonriders and alliances

    • @xiaoxin2859
      @xiaoxin2859 Před 11 měsíci +13

      @@ifeeldead463they didn’t like to normally if they could avoid it. The mad king sent Steffon Baratheon to Volantis to try and find a bride that had the blood of Valyria for Rheghar before married Ellia. And the mad king even remarked that one of their kids smelled “Dornish” and refuses to touch her because of it. They did marry others from major houses but when they could they liked to try and marry each other or a Velyaron because they wanted to keep the bloodline “pure”

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 Před 11 měsíci +4

      ​@@xiaoxin2859
      Yeah, that totally makes sense because the more they dilute their blood, the more there are chances that they can't control the dragons anymore.

    • @user-ef9pb7xl1c
      @user-ef9pb7xl1c Před 11 měsíci +15

      They like to keep the blood pure (valyrian) for dragon riding reasons but they do marry outside the family and skin color has nothing to do with their "supremacism" bffr

  • @Rajarshi_X
    @Rajarshi_X Před 11 měsíci +9

    Mushroom said Daemon had both her and Rhanaerya together XD

    • @user-zv2vm8bd8h
      @user-zv2vm8bd8h Před 11 měsíci +3

      Yep. Rhaenyra was almost definitely a few months pregnant with Aegon when she married Daemon. The chad had managed to have two wives at the same time. Poor sir Breakbones was a cuck all along.

  • @BlueWolf-bd4dr
    @BlueWolf-bd4dr Před 11 měsíci +1

    Laena is a sweet girl and I rly don’t think the outcome would’ve been the same she knows what Rhanerya wants and her duty and even if she have married Viserys she would not pin them against Rhanerya’s children especially when Laenor would be her husband maybe if she found out that Rhanerya cheated but even then I’m sure they could explain to her and she’d understand Rhanerya felt hurt by Alicent bc she felt like she was the last to know and felt betrayed that her best friend didn’t even bother to tell her she was going to marry her father Laena is different and I think she would’ve fully supported Rhanerya’s claim

  • @therover3941
    @therover3941 Před 10 měsíci +2

    If Laena had married the king I doubt the war would've happened and very likely her daughters would've been betrothed to rhynera's sons after she took the throne.

  • @Rajarshi_X
    @Rajarshi_X Před 11 měsíci +64

    making valaryons black was a stupid decision. I like the corlys actor but still. Weird decision.

    • @chideraalexanderdex547
      @chideraalexanderdex547 Před 11 měsíci +16

      I guess you know more than the author himself
      I hate to share a community with racists but u ppl are everywhere

    • @aminesandouk8855
      @aminesandouk8855 Před 11 měsíci +13

      Velaryons in the Book are light like Targaryens thats show only if they are black than Targaryens are also black After all they are their relatives

    • @3choblast3r4
      @3choblast3r4 Před 11 měsíci

      @@chideraalexanderdex547 Oh f'off. Racist my ss. The Valeryons were from Valeria like the Targeryans and both look the same in the books. They are also heavily mixed, most of them are cousins etc how the fk is one family black and the other white. The majority of people that enjoy books and fiction like them to be properly represented on TV.

    • @3choblast3r4
      @3choblast3r4 Před 11 měsíci

      The guy that plays Colrys is a tard bro. Dude in an interview claims that black people used to rule England lol ... he believes in that black hebrew isrealite bs that Kanye believes in. (they believe that King George was black)

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Před 11 měsíci +16

      ​@chideraalexanderdex547 GRRM did not make the velaryons black so saying "you know more than the author himself" is a disingenuous claim

  • @ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341
    @ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Dance of the dragons wouldn't have taken place if laena was married to viserys.
    She wouldn't try to usurp the throne from Rhaenyra and her brother.

    • @karamanid
      @karamanid Před 11 měsíci +8

      Corlys would if he had a male grandson from Viserys

    • @MR.ZAYI1991
      @MR.ZAYI1991 Před 11 měsíci +5

      She definitely would if Rhaenyra had bastards like canon and still kept her position as Princess of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne. That basically means she'd have married Viserys, and Laenor married Rhaenyra, but neither one of their children would inherit the throne, and instead, it would go to an illegitimate child of Rhaenyra.

  • @Theyadorealyssa
    @Theyadorealyssa Před 9 měsíci +1

    Almost as pretty as her brother” that's crazy😭

  • @xandermarley8552
    @xandermarley8552 Před dnem

    I think Laena should have been Visery’s choice in the books (series sux)….it would have solidified the kingdom. I doubt there would have been been a succession crisis from that angle. Dawmon would have swooped down on Rhaeneyra even sooner to establish his position as the King consort. And everyone would have lived happily ever after. Viserys marrying into the family that was the most religious and most anti Targaryen culture family was just dumb.

  • @jessicamarsh9779
    @jessicamarsh9779 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I mean but who wouldn’t be smitten with Daemon? I mean he’s not that attractive physically (personal opinion, ya he’s alright looking) but his asshole, “I’m a bad ass” personality is what does it 😂❤

  • @Niulkao
    @Niulkao Před 10 měsíci

    Yeah, they all were one of the most beautiful Woman in Westeros

  • @a.maddox7250
    @a.maddox7250 Před 11 měsíci +3

    How did you butcher that pronunciation so terribly? How?

  • @BleedingGrafitti
    @BleedingGrafitti Před 10 měsíci

    Despite what many people say, I just don't see a war happening between Rhaenyra and Laena. They were very close and loved each other (a bit too much). I can understand Corlys becoming greedier over time, but Rhaenys would most likely shut his crazy attempts down since she also loved and respected Viserys, her cousin. Laena and Rhaenyra's children however... I can see them starting the dance much later. (I assume Coryls would poison his grandchildren, much like how Otto did).

  • @nevercatchwind
    @nevercatchwind Před 11 měsíci

    The war might not errupt if Laena would not force her eventual children with Viserys to took over The crown, that depends how much Corlys would enforce that, and if aje would agree to a union od her daughter with Jacearys. Interesting alternative

  • @mappingshaman5280
    @mappingshaman5280 Před 11 měsíci +1

    If the dance still would have happened with leana marrying viserys, the velaryon navy would surround dragonstone and starve it out. If rhaenyra tries to Sally out on dragonback, vhagar, meleys and seasmoke get some lunch. Easy win for the blues.

  • @ro-fz1jt
    @ro-fz1jt Před 10 měsíci

    Where did you find the pictures at

  • @sophiawilson8696
    @sophiawilson8696 Před 11 měsíci

    In show version they change her to younger and one reasons why Viserys chose the Hightower he didnt want wait until she comes of age.

  • @aurorasilverthorne
    @aurorasilverthorne Před 10 měsíci

    The dance would’ve never occurred if Viserys had married Laena instead of Alicent. Laena and Rhaenyra were around the same age and always close friends (possibly lovers). Alicent was older than Rhaenyra and they were never friends in the books. It was Otto Hightower and Alicent's scheming that led to war. Laena and Rhaenyra would’ve betrothed their children to each other and Corlys would've supported their decision because, unlike Otto, he understood that it was the family name, not the actual bloodline, that mattered. Corlys wouldn’t have cared if the consort was a boy or a girl so long as they carried the Velaryon name. People need to pick up a book once in a while instead of making baseless accusations centered around the biased views portrayed in an exceedingly flawed show.

  • @ameliaflynnhayes
    @ameliaflynnhayes Před 10 měsíci

    She was said to be beautiful and Dameon was adventurous like her

  • @LocTsun
    @LocTsun Před 11 měsíci +1

    How many girls can be the most beautiful in all of Westeros

  • @masteryoda7436
    @masteryoda7436 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Never been this early

  • @Daeronthebusted
    @Daeronthebusted Před 10 měsíci

    I feel like almost the entire realm had beautiful women at this point.

  • @benger1995
    @benger1995 Před 10 měsíci

    Why you said two and twenty , when you talked about age I noticed this in ice and fire ?

  • @ashleysmith7632
    @ashleysmith7632 Před 9 měsíci

    I swear they say every woman is the most beautiful.

  • @crambo000
    @crambo000 Před 9 měsíci

    The bar must be really low if she was the prettiest woman in Westeros

  • @TotallyNotALolicon
    @TotallyNotALolicon Před 11 měsíci +26

    Wish they kept her white

    • @fallenknight3016
      @fallenknight3016 Před 11 měsíci +3

      yeah me too

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Get over it. The actors were great and Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @TotallyNotALolicon
      @TotallyNotALolicon Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@ezrafriesner8370
      They really weren’t though rather forgettable at best and like I give a fuck if Martin said it was good that man can’t even finish a book why is he doing anything with the shows.
      They should have stayed white it would have been better.
      Now shut up.

    • @tyf.5111
      @tyf.5111 Před 10 měsíci +7

      What an absolutely insane comment to make

    • @xperiuscastello8613
      @xperiuscastello8613 Před 10 měsíci

      Yeah me too BUT woke mob exists

  • @charmedlilsis1
    @charmedlilsis1 Před 8 měsíci

    There would have been no dance bc Laena wouldnt have tried to usurp the throne from Rhaenyra. Viserys was just a whole chooch.

  • @alexpiperhalliwell
    @alexpiperhalliwell Před 10 měsíci

    If Vizzy T married Laena the Dance wouldnt happen.

  • @Void0420
    @Void0420 Před 10 měsíci +1

    “Almost as pretty as her brother” 💀

  • @lilypadrocks872
    @lilypadrocks872 Před 10 měsíci

    Hardly, Leana sons would have married Rheanyra and even is Rheanyra would have still have bastards , they would have been a negotiation and compromise for such conflict not escalate to a full war

  • @johnreydelatorre3450
    @johnreydelatorre3450 Před 11 měsíci

    Assuming the dance still occurred, I dont know how Rhaenyra would win.
    The Velaryons was their ace.

  • @maybefinnx3
    @maybefinnx3 Před 10 měsíci

    What book is this

  • @ugly_larva
    @ugly_larva Před 10 měsíci +1

    I still don't get why they made velaryons black in the show. If u wanna have diversity you could make someone like criston cole black because he's from the dorne.

  • @Celephinn
    @Celephinn Před 10 měsíci

    The Velaryons had generations of cousin to cousin marriages, mostly with their Targaryen cousins. They don't marry enough non-Valyrians to change their looks. But somehow they ended up looking like Summer islanders.

  • @teygold1416
    @teygold1416 Před 10 měsíci

    I dont think there wouldve been the dance if viserys married laena. Laena had only 2 daughters.

  • @sasha4420
    @sasha4420 Před 11 měsíci +13

    I laugh at how it all starts with phrases like “Did you know that in the book this heroine was the most beautiful on the continent?” And then they show us footage from the Netflix adaptation, and there.... Well, not the first beauty of the COUNTRY, at least.

    • @user-zv2vm8bd8h
      @user-zv2vm8bd8h Před 11 měsíci +6

      *HBO adaptation. The actress playing her in the show is hot but not what described. She could have played Nettles. A black woman from the books that will appear in season 2. She is a Targaryen bastard so they had a diverse character ready there.

    • @3choblast3r4
      @3choblast3r4 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@user-zv2vm8bd8h The actress playing her is a 3/10 .... lol hot come on dude

    • @patriciaotoole6508
      @patriciaotoole6508 Před 10 měsíci

      It's HBO, really.

  • @cncdan1364
    @cncdan1364 Před 10 měsíci

    I thought she was the best looking one on the show.

  • @Emy-fv5ny
    @Emy-fv5ny Před 9 měsíci

    She cared a flying f.. Viserys didn't marry her...

  • @andie1508
    @andie1508 Před 10 měsíci

    Seems like they got her depiction pretty well in the show, aside from the Valeryons being dark-skinned in the show.

  • @TheDragiix3
    @TheDragiix3 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The whole race swapping is so weird and misplaced. It just doesn't fit... why change the race of very clearly Valyrian people instead of telling the story of cool black characters?

  • @user-hs8qn1ly8i
    @user-hs8qn1ly8i Před 10 měsíci

    weren't rhaenyra and laena "more than fond" of each other?

  • @karinaashmon
    @karinaashmon Před 11 měsíci +1

    The dance would never ha e happened

  • @KimM13744
    @KimM13744 Před 10 měsíci

    Almost as beautiful as her brother
    Doesn't Daemon say that to her at Rhaernyra's wedding?

  • @carastone3473
    @carastone3473 Před 10 měsíci

    Laena wouldn’t have tried to usurp the throne

  • @aileenpi73
    @aileenpi73 Před 10 měsíci

    If Viserys would have married Lena, I don’t think the dance would have happened.

  • @robertsmiley2207
    @robertsmiley2207 Před 11 měsíci

    She was almost as pretty as her brother is that really a compliment 🤔

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 Před 11 měsíci

      Her brother is gay so maybe he was VERY pretty ? 🤷‍♀️

    • @robertsmiley2207
      @robertsmiley2207 Před 11 měsíci

      I know that I watched HOTD but I still don't think 🤔 that gay equals pretty when it comes to a man

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 Před 11 měsíci

      @@robertsmiley2207
      Ofc not everyone but some of them do look quite pretty. Also I was talking about the books, the actors aren't particularly attractive imo, the young and the older one.

    • @robertsmiley2207
      @robertsmiley2207 Před 11 měsíci

      I don't read the books 📚 I'm a visual learner I much prefer it that way I can't read no 500 page books

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@robertsmiley2207
      Same here, I don't read the books, I only partially read the first volume of ASoIaF but Idk if it's the author's style or the translation but I can't focus and I get bored quickly. Also I don't like the differences between the show and the books, I guess I would have appreciated them better if I read them before watching the show...
      Oh, too bad, reading is so much fun ! But I guess that's not for everyone. ^^

  • @nyxx_andra3187
    @nyxx_andra3187 Před 11 měsíci

    I don't think so Rhaenyra was very close to Laela. Also the main mastermind of the dance of the dragon was otto. Laena would have kicked him out as fast as possible.

  • @leovoi9195
    @leovoi9195 Před 11 měsíci

    Daemon the only male dragon rider in the world ? What about Laenor Velaryon ?

  • @aileenpi73
    @aileenpi73 Před 10 měsíci

    At this point, which of these women were not the most beautiful? Seems like they all were considered one of the most beautiful.

  • @Wearealltogether1428
    @Wearealltogether1428 Před 20 dny +1

    And they casted..... Well 🐒

  • @AnvilMAn603
    @AnvilMAn603 Před 11 měsíci +28

    she was one of the most beautiful women in the books....and not black

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +19

      Get over it. The actors were great and Martin himself signed off on them so who tf cares

    • @AnvilMAn603
      @AnvilMAn603 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@ezrafriesner8370 if i was martin and i was offered that much money for an adaptation id take it too, still not a black woman

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +11

      @@AnvilMAn603 So you admit that it’s trivial and ultimately pointless, but you still cling to it?

    • @AnvilMAn603
      @AnvilMAn603 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@ezrafriesner8370 would i make my artistic integrity wear a gimp suit and sleep in a dresser drawer for the kind of money martin got for the adaptations? yes doesnt change facts about the world i created

    • @ezrafriesner8370
      @ezrafriesner8370 Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@AnvilMAn603 well this is Martins’ work, and he is allowed to do with it as he pleases. If that means giving his blessing to actors he himself had a role in choosing who don’t perfectly fit his original idea, so be it.

  • @DuaneXplain
    @DuaneXplain Před 10 měsíci +2

    Bruh it’s all fiction, it’s not like these people really existed….making them black is not a big deal, some of y’all in these comments taking this stuff too seriously

  • @heynotizzy7493
    @heynotizzy7493 Před 10 měsíci

    Why are there so many "one if the most beautiful women in westeros"

  • @parkeydee
    @parkeydee Před 9 měsíci

    Velaryon not velaerian

  • @evok3226
    @evok3226 Před 11 měsíci

    “Almost as pretty as her brother”. being compared to a man never sounded a compliment to me much more a jest😂

  • @mykee999
    @mykee999 Před 10 měsíci +1

    she's not Black

  • @draskl
    @draskl Před 11 měsíci

    Who isn't beautiful in these series

  • @emmasgame6707
    @emmasgame6707 Před 10 měsíci

    There wouldn't be a dance at all if Viserys wed Laena.

  • @asmodeus1791
    @asmodeus1791 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Except she isn't black in the books but yeah

  • @Ghastly_Grinner
    @Ghastly_Grinner Před 10 měsíci +1

    They made her black 😂

  • @aroccoification
    @aroccoification Před 11 měsíci

    If he married her there wouldn't be any reason for a dance

  • @ro-fz1jt
    @ro-fz1jt Před 10 měsíci

    No o e really knows what they look Like andnyou are just useing photos that you want

  • @philippburnett6045
    @philippburnett6045 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Valerians aren’t black in books

  • @rainphantom
    @rainphantom Před 10 měsíci +1

    I’m the books she’s not black

  • @jakeraught4939
    @jakeraught4939 Před 10 měsíci +1

    LAENA WAS NOT BLACK!!!!

  • @annoyedhuman42
    @annoyedhuman42 Před 2 měsíci

    who

  • @TheBlaineFindley
    @TheBlaineFindley Před 11 měsíci +1

    Yeah you are definitely talking about the books because on the show her mom is not very beautiful

    • @mesa577
      @mesa577 Před 11 měsíci

      idk man she probably the prettiest next to the white worm

  • @TheMattsem
    @TheMattsem Před 11 měsíci +5

    Wow medieval people War very open-minded back then

  • @dislikecounter5191
    @dislikecounter5191 Před 11 měsíci

    Did viserys not ride a dragon?

    • @MR.ZAYI1991
      @MR.ZAYI1991 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Only once around Kings Landing then his dragon died of old age right after.

    • @connaeris8230
      @connaeris8230 Před 11 měsíci +3

      He rode Balerion but it died soon after

  • @jessemcdonald5124
    @jessemcdonald5124 Před 10 měsíci

    That's not what a Valerian looks like.

  • @McQueenFan100
    @McQueenFan100 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Not black!

  • @faerlydisfunctional
    @faerlydisfunctional Před 11 měsíci +8

    Not the people in the comments mad that they cant imagine the Valyrians as their fantasy "aryan" stand in anymore 😂 GRRM has stated he is more proud of how House of the Dragon turned out than he was with Game of Thrones he has fully signed off on the cast of characters you see
    With all due respect: Cope.

    • @Rannos22
      @Rannos22 Před 11 měsíci

      Signed off (after being brow beaten about muh diversity by people like you)

    • @blackspark5218
      @blackspark5218 Před 10 měsíci +3

      thats rich comming from someone who would propably scream their head off, if any expliciedly black fictional charackter was potraied by an actor/actress a shade lighter then ebony.
      the matter of the fact is, Laena was white in the books and fans of these books are nitpicky about such details. they also complained back in GoT that the actor playing Jorah Mormunt was to handsome and that most of the Stark children aren't red-heads exept for Sansa. Take a chill pill.

    • @xperiuscastello8613
      @xperiuscastello8613 Před 10 měsíci

      Why would we need to cope? She’s dead in the show so that’s great. 1 less stupid character pushed in by the woke mob lmao

    • @faerlydisfunctional
      @faerlydisfunctional Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@xperiuscastello8613 Cry some more about how you can't censor the things you don't like

    • @xperiuscastello8613
      @xperiuscastello8613 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@faerlydisfunctionalWhy would I cry over a show? And as I said, I’m happy that the show is rid of garbage

  • @aquarius2042
    @aquarius2042 Před 10 měsíci

    why do people care if the valeryons are black/biracial in the show? it doesn’t matter just enjoy the story😭😭

  • @haileyhowson8350
    @haileyhowson8350 Před 11 měsíci

    laena would not have started the dance. her and rhaenyra were very close. it’s also rumored that daemon, rhaenyra, and laena were a polyamorous throuple.

  • @keeperofthe7keys1987
    @keeperofthe7keys1987 Před 11 měsíci +1

    This is so dumb they were no black Targaryens!

  • @tyfoparalax8894
    @tyfoparalax8894 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Teen Laena in the show >>>>> Alicent, Rhaenyra and everyone else

  • @ba3725
    @ba3725 Před 11 měsíci

    Everyone wonders why they made them black in the show and I think it's because it'd be easier to tell each house apart since they both have white skin, white hair, etc.

  • @erlendkaarb2038
    @erlendkaarb2038 Před 11 měsíci

    Laena might have cheated on Viserys with Daemon, if they were married.