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- TRICK FLOW VS AIR FLOW RESEARCH cylinder heads.Who makes the best cylinder heads for your LS1.
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Who makes rocker arms for Trick Flow 220 as cast heads besides Harland Sharp? Have you used the half travel hydraulic lifters? Thanks for sharing.
Now I haven't put in a lot of research on the roller rockers but I am 99% sure that any roller rocker made for a LS1 will work on the trick flow heads.The only reason the recommended roller rockers is because of the change from 15 degree valve angle to 13.5.The stock rockers without the roller tip put more stress on the valve stem and valve guide.And the only lifters I have used are the GM LS7 lifters.
I get tonks question.
Which roller rocker is best for the TFS head? Crane maybe? Just dont get the cheap ones.
Well I would recommend crane cams,Comp cams or Harland sharp.I would stay away from Chinese brands like speedmaster or even summit branded rockers.But for all we know they may all be made in China now.But keep in mind I am no expert.Its always good to check the forums to see what guys are using.I still haven't done this upgrade myself yet.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 These GenX heads have an offset pedestal rocker design. Not many options.
@@angelo_giachetti Trick Flow has been terrible about responding to quesitons. Cant reach them on the phone and they dont asnwer their emails. I think I may just go to Brodix.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. BOTH HEADS WOULD BE A GREAT UPGRADE FOR ANY LS BUILD!!! GREAT VIDEO AND EDUCATION. THANKS FOR SHARING!!! I LEARNED SO MUCH.
Thanks for watching and commenting.But be sure to check out Texas speed PRC cylinder Heads.I still believe that Trick flow is the best for the smaller bore of the LS1 but the difference in power is probably going to be small on a stock cubic inch LS1.Most any aftermarket cylinder head from a quality manufacter will wake up your LS1 so be sure to check them all out before buying.And when you pick a manufacturer be sure to call and get them to answer any questions you may have because when you're dropping that kind of money the least they can do is answer any questions you may have and they could make recommendations for what will work best for you.
Thanks to this video, I'll be going with the Trick Flows. Thanks for this comparison 👏 👍!
Thanks for watching.I made a few mistakes in this video.But I still think the trick flows are the best option for a stock cubic inch LS1 that is going to be used on the street.There are better flowing heads out there but are better suited for larger bore LS engines and engines built solely for racing.But I will say if you do spend the money call trick flow first and tell them what you're building and get their recommended rocker arms.Good luck on your build.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 And have your check book ready. $3600 or there about? I would like to see a $ per hp, heads only, review.
Yeah the trick flows are pretty expensive.But there are cheaper alternatives that will give you very similar results.The cylinder head market for the LS engines is very competitive and everyone wants too be number one so anything from big name brands will give you good gains.You should check out Texas speed.They offer CNCed factory cylinder Heads and they carry PRC cylinder Heads both as cast and CNC ported.They range from reasonably cheap to very expensive.I want the trick flows but when it comes time to buy my budget will probably make the decision for me.lol.But even a CNC ported factory head will make lots of power.Just get whatever you're budget allows.The great thing about ported heads is when they are done right they make more power everywhere from low rpm all the way to red line.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 Ordered the PRC as cast heads & FAST intake. Should be interesting. Appreciated the input.
You lucky dog.I really want to get a set of heads and that intake manifold too but gotta wait another year or two.I am very sure you will be happy with them.When you get it together and get a chance to drive it let us know what you think of it.And also if you dyno it post some numbers.
Clean af
Nice gto just bought one in luv
Dyno #s at the wheel followed by a trip to the track. 60ft and trap speed.
Please help, I have
TSP 228/228 600/600 112LSA cam kit
660" dual valve spring kit
PRC titanium retainers
TSP 7.400 pushrod kit
TSP rocker trunion upgrade kit w/intake exaust valves on stock non-ported heads. Also, 102mm TB with FAST intake. I need some down low HP/TQ. I have the $ for heads and fuel pump. I heard RHS matches with FAST intake. But my cam? On lS1
Yeah any cathedral port LS heads will work with the fast intake.Seeing that you have a Texas speed cam I would give them a call or email them to see what RHS cylinder Heads they recommend.Pretty much any aftermarket LS head will be a big improvement over the stock heads.
I also noticed that you have your zeros in the wrong place for lift. It should be .1, .2, .3, etc. If you can get through to TF, let me know what they say.
OK I will.Thanks
I know this video is a couple years old now, but trick flow 215 heads are like 1600 a head, vs afr 215 heads at 800. For half the cost, i think I'd be willing to sacrifice what amounts to probably 10 hp N/A at peak output. Hp/$ value is not worth it unless you're chasing 1000 hp with forced induction.
Yeah the video is a few years old. The AFR heads you are referring too are the Enforcer series which are a good stock replacement which do flow better than stock but not by much.The difference between them and the trick flows would be alot more than 10 hp. The AFR full CNC heads are very close in price to the trick flows. But there are cheaper heads that also flow well from Texas speed and other companies in the US. I still haven't gotten cylinder Heads because like you say they are pricey. When I do get a set I will definitely consider price when buying so probably won't be getting trick flows. Thanks for watching and commenting we really appreciate it.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 yes sir! I've been in the market for a few weeks, I'm building an lm7 turbo combo for my c3500 crew cab dually, and the enforcer as cast heads seem like a decent buy, I did just recently find a set of ported 799 heads for about 600 a head and they supposedly flow over 300 cfm at .600 lift. I'm really torn on which heads to go with, as I don't want to invest in my old 706 heads I currently have.
Either way I enjoyed your video. 🤘
@@sergeantspeed5941 Oh your building a turbo engine that is awesome. With a turbo engine the Enforcer heads would work great because they have a stronger deck to better handle the boost. Ported heads do still help turbo engines but you can use unported heads and just add a pound or 2 more boost. If your on a budget like most of us are you don't need the best cylinder Heads because your going to make great power either way. You probably already watch his channel anyways but Richard holder's youtube channel is a great place to get an idea what you can make with a turbo LS. Good luck with your build. when you get it done and tuned come back and let us know how it runs.👍
@@LSxMotorsports2021 I'm very familiar with Richard and his endless information. He's also a very valuable resource! Haha I've spent hours watching his stuff on squeezing hp out of ls family engines.
I would slap my current heads back on, but they're the 706 heads and prone to cracking and i worry about somehow pushing water and bending a rod.. and i dont wanna do the same job twice. That's what i was thinking about with those enforcer heads, a thicker deck and good flow should hit my goals with lower boost and hopefully result in living a longer life. Im using a stock bottom end lm7, its already dissasembled and rings are gapped. Im still undecided on a cam, but I'm hoping to hit 700 rwhp, should make my tank of a dually fun. It's already got the nv4500 and a 14 bolt rear axle in it.
I've got a fitech standalone ecu waiting to go in, I haven't picked out the turbo yet, I'm waiting to get the 5.3 assembled and installed so I can do some real measuring to see if I can get a prefab kit to kinda fit with minimal fabrication.
I have a decent budget and can afford nice heads, but who wants to spend more than you need?
I still have a long way to go, as I'm just gathering parts at the moment. But very soon I should be starting the teardown and installation.
Appreciate the conversation! I haven't made any real content recently, but I do like making videos and plan on documenting this endeavor on my channel. I'll sub and keep in touch!
Sounds like a great build.Good luck.
so ahhhhh.. .006? not sure I get this... pretty good flow for something opened less than the valve lash..
Yeah that was one of my early videos the whole chart is wrong it is supposed to be.600 " lift.I put the point in the wrong place.
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:53pm
Can the Trick Flow 215cc ls heads be
setup to use stock rockers ?
They told me that the heads can be setup to use stock rockers.
Ok this is different then what you said about the 15 degree valve angle.As far as using the stock rockers on these heads I hope that is true.It would cut down on the cost of installing these heads.I was only quoting what trick flow themselves say that you need full roller rockers but I hope what you are saying is true.And thanks for watching and thanks for sharing this information in the comments.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 I'm only going by the salesman from BTR. He emailed me the quote for completed 220 FAST AS CAST heads. And he said the heads would be setup to handle stock rockers. But anyone looking to buy heads should just contact BTR.
That's good because I would rather use stock rockers.
@@dennismoran1299 I did. The guy I talked to was clueless.
That's not true. I talked to BTR they told me that they can setup the Trick Flow heads to except a 15 degree valve.
The valves in a trick flow head are no different than valves used in any other LS cylinder heads.It is the angle that the valves sit in the head that is different.And that is cast that way by trick flow and can not be changed.GM designed the LS heads using a 15 degree angle which was a big improvement over the original small blocks 23 degree angle.Trick flow uses 13.5 degree.which is a slight improvement.Changing the angle unshrouds the valve from the cylinder walls.And that's why I said it is especially important for the LS1 because the LS1 has less than a 4" bore.BTR was probably referring to the angles on the valve sets or the valve its self where it meets the seat.
I here a company called MAST makes the best heads?
That could be.I haven't done enough research to say one way or the other.I think they all have their pros and cons.The reason I like the trick flows is because of the change in valve angle which helps unshroud the valves which helps especially on an LS1 because of the smaller bore size.But I would definitely recommend doing alot of research before parting with your money on cylinder Heads because they are on the expenseive side.Thanks for watching and commenting.Its very good to get input from as many people as possible and I will definitely look at MAST before making my final decision on heads for my car.
MAST heads use an 11 degree valve angle
@@fortier2727 Very interesting.I just went to their website and they do have heads with 11 degree valve angle.Definitely worth a look.They do seem to be a little pricey.But I just gave them a quick look.They also sell cnc factory heads at a good price.Good to see there are lots of options.I will definitely check them out if I ever save enough money for cylinder heads.
Ry Ry I seen you posted a couple more comments but I was unable to see them.Something is wrong with the comment section.We are small so we answer every comment.So if your comments disappear or we don't answer it is because we aren't able to see them.Something wrong on CZcams's end.
I have a lsx dr head. Find something that outflows it out of the box
Some times a company will use and exhaust pipe and not mention it up front. Marketing Basters.
Very true.The reason I like the trick flows is all the heads were flow tested using a 4" bore and the trick flows were tested using the smaller LS1 bore.I can't remember the exact size at the moment but it is less than 4".This is a early video for us which I made lots of mistakes.My advice to anyone considering paying their hard earned money for a set of cylinder Heads is do a ton of research before making your final decision.Thanks for watching and commenting we really appreciate it.
@@LSxMotorsports2021 I am looking to replace my stock LS1 heads with something that flows better. Considering cnc porting of a set of 243's or the PRC As-Cast 225cc Heads. Any input would be appreciated. BTR stage II truck can, headers and an LS6 intake is the current configuration. 354 rear wheel HP.
Those are both good choices.The PRC 225cc head would be the better choice because the castings are thicker so less chance of cracking.The factory castings are thin and sometimes can develop cracks over time but that also depends on the power level you intend to make in the future.As far as power goes the CNC 243 would probably be a better fit for your engine.The 225 cc heads are a little large for a Stock displacement LS1 and your small cam.See no easy answer.lol.I do feel both are good choices and both will make good power.But I would advise calling whoever your buying from for some advice on which would work better for you.When spending a couple grand these companies don't mind answering your questions and they have much more experience with this stuff and if they want your money they will answer all your questions.But again I think both of your choices will work very well.