The Genbukan is trying to SILENCE me
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- I go into detail on how the Genbukan is trying to silence me.
Here is the link to my previous video that got taken down for false copyright infringement allegations - • My Experience with the...
Interesting video. I always wondered about the Genbukan. Training in the Bujinkan I was never told not to train with anyone else. The only exception to that was they highly recommended not training with the Genbukan. Even then it wasn't forbidden, but based upon this seems a solid recommendation
It's not going to make a difference if the bully is not named. And Tanemura Sensei might not know about it. In Japan, they do not like things going public about scandalous individuals in their circles, which means the scandalous individuals might be behaving sycophantic around Tanemura and the Japanese, and an absolute terror stateside. There is also a reason why they say to not train with other ninpo organizations. It is not a red flag whatsoever with the Japanese. Japan does not treat a dojo as transactional places to acquire techniques. That's an American mindset, and they don't have to respond to it, because it's their culture. Even Hatsumi has talked about this, as well as the Japanese Soke in the Bujinkan.
Thanks for sharing, Luis. Keep on going strong!!! - José
Thanks Luis. Just want to relate that the international culture and politics are tough to navigate and I appreciate your quest toward honesty and clarity. Hope to learn more from your channel.
Istudied In Genbukan for 9 years, I would not recommend anything but Genbukan to anyone. There are opinions by people but the system of Genbukan is the best. Learn what is there and skip the trash.
You only recommend Genbukan because you only trained Genbukan... Find a Shidokan, Kudo Daido Juku, Seidokan or Ashihara dojo... Learn something useful. I have a 2nd Dan in Genbukan and 1st Kyu in Jinenkan now a 3rd Dan in Shidokan Karate ... Switch it up... Check out Shidokan Triathlon competition... NOT Shotokan.
Aren't you worried that after the Genbukan's attempts to block you fail they will send their minions for a physical attack? Are the students in danger if they do or do they keep attacks to the master?
No one in the Genbukan can actually fight I doubt he is worried.
I was treated really bad by one of the highest rank instructors of the Genbukan. I am currently working towards black belt in the Bujikan and it is a WAY better fir for me.
Sorry to hear that. One of my students was as well back in 2016. I'm happy you're doing great now and good look on your shodan test
You are doing God's work. They must be dealt with, and what you're doing is praiseworthy. Genbukan is really sort of a sect, they don't own Omote Shuto or any other technique ( as they are far older than 1984 when GWNBF was founded ). Greetings from Croatia and God bless freedom of speech.
Thank you sir. And thanks for commenting
Couple years late but this video just came across my feed this evening. I started in Genbukan 15 years ago, went for a couple years then drifted off a little and TRIED really hard to get back into going regularly over the next couple years after that but ultimately fell off due to hectic life occurrences and also the teacher just wasn't good. I read the list of rules when I officially gained membership and they were exactly what you read off, verbatim. I knew it was all ridiculous but was just so woowed by the ninpo system and was so often told over and over again that they were the only true ninpo school and the only other ninpo org (Bujikan) was just "sloppy" and whatever else, that I figured it was worth tolerating their rigidness and excessive rules in order to excel in this martial art. Man looking back now this is low-key cult material. You are so right about anyone telling you you can't learn or train elsewhere being a red flag. I grew up in an actual cult and they ALL work like that.
Thank you for sharing your experience. If you ever want to get back into training check out the Shisenkan Kobudo Federation
@@EmpireDojo thanks, I hadn't heard of them. Their webpage doesn't list dojo locations, do you know if they happen to be in California?
I recently found out there's a Bujinkan close to home so I'm thinking about that, if I can manage the time (single parenthood is challenging for these matters, but I'm slowly compiling list of places).
@@motherfudger6664 Where in CA are you located? We do have a training group in CA. The Shisenkan was started by Ron Kosen (ex shihan of the genbukan). Check out our usa website for more information. There are even online training opportunities so it doesn't matter where you are in the world. And we have seminars available. We are having one in Maryland in March. www.shisenkanusa.com
@@EmpireDojo Vallejo, SF bay area.
That appears to be a different website than what I found, looking it over now.
Sorry to hear that. I am learning Genbukan and have not had this experience and sensei also knows that I am learning BJJ. I have not had any bad experience with them. There was no charge for me to watch. I found them structured but quiet regimented and our local instructor is friendly but have repeatedly said they are quiet formal. I think there is a disconnect between western culture and far eastern culture in your approach.
I wasn't implying the entire gbk organization is bad. I apologize if that's how I came across. There are some wonderful sensei still involved in the organization. I was just explaining my experiences and some of their shady (in my opinion) business practices.
Sounds like space age Pimpin
Cognitive Dissonance:
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the perception of contradictory information.
Genbukan "owns" these techniques; no "stealing" techniques, students etc. BUT....
if you leave the organization they will steal your *students* and take your hard earned rank.
Ninpo, by its very nature, is a system of techniques that often were literally stolen from Chinese, Japanese, Okinawan, Indian and Korean martial arts. A common practice was to steal the weapons and tools if slain adversaries; and all of this was handed down from one generation to the next *in* *secret* in the first place.
Speaking to the moral aspects, all of the consequences for acting in bad faith towards the kai or just demonstrating immoral behavior in general flies in the face the Japanese sense if morality.
For example, stripping a person of their rank and disavowing their existence and or the knowledge you gave them, would be considered dishonest of you (you are in fact lying) and by not acknowledging that said former student is trained, you are essentially lying to the public and creating a situation where the presumed assumption of an unskilled fighter would be incorrect. This would inevitably lead to someone(such as an unsuspecting police officer) getting injured or worse. The moral thing to do would be to acknowledge their level if skill, and that you take issue with the boundaries of their decision making.
Like Soki said in 1980s If yull JUST SHUT THE F UP AND TRAIN YUR LIFE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.! The ONLY ONE NEEDING TO BE CONTROLLED IS YU. FIX YURSELF BY LIVING A LIFE OF CONSTANT CONSISTENT TRAINING. DUH.
Never thought of that!!!
I'll get up and train now. Just started when I made this video. Got my black belt from CZcams. It was a great course.
Spent a few years in the Genbukan and left because I felt it was like a cult. I have just opened a small Dojo in England. would love to email you, but can;t find your address.
My dear Friend, Genbukans first rule is about spiritual refinment, and any true Ninjitsu organisation is all about spiritual refinement, and spiritual refinement is not possible with things you do. I do not have anything against you and not blaming you or accuse you in any way, but by speaking about other organisations this way you harm yourself not others. Life goes just about the same way with you having your opinions or not. America is culturally very different from Japan, And the Organisation is Japanes therefore you should respect its ways an orders. My advice, leave it all othervice your ambition and seemingly wanting to get to the truth will simply harm you in a way that the essence of martial way will simply become obsolete for you, through your own decisions and behaviours.
Thank you for your opinion. I respect it. But will continue to stick with my opinion and the experience I went through. Not everyone had the same experience that is true.
I had an experience with a Genbukan Instructor over ten years ago. Since I was in an area where there was no Dojo close by, I would have to travel a little to get to one. No problem, that's on me and was willing to try it. When I inquired with the Instructor of the Dojo concerning membership and training, I had the worst experience I've ever had. This organization produces the most arrogant, self-serving, god-complex type individuals I've ever dealt with. The Instructor told me I wouldn't be allowed to enter their Dojo until I had trained with them a minimum of six months, which would count as a "trial period" to make sure I was worthy of permanent membership.
This would include that I would have to provide the training facility for their Instructors to teach in at my location. This of course would have to be pre-approved by them via photos and written description of the area before they would even show up. I would also have to incur the travel expense and potential lodging for these individuals if they chose to do a long day of training and was too late to travel back. Provide meals, etc. All out of pocket, not including the training / testing fees. I more or less explained to this individual that if they were a representative of what their organization was about, I wanted no part of it and how conceited they came across ... he tried to explain to me that's how traditional training was handled and again, I told him to loose my email address and good luck.
My personal advice ... unless you're just dying to be totally dominated by an organization financially, professionally, and other aspects of your life .... find something else. You'd be much better off.
Wow sorry you had to go through that. But thank you for sharing your story! Would you mind sharing what city and state this situation was?
@@EmpireDojo It was Knoxville, TN. Not sure if the dojo I was communicating with is even still around, but I can tell you that the dojo was about a two and a half hour drive from my location, so it may have been a training group of some sort.
Did the Genbuken oppose Bruce Lee?
Nope. It was chuck Norris
Great work, my friend. I was Genbukan member for 5 years. Didn't learn a shit almost. Almost every technique is on the internet. Now I am a kyokushin fighter.
Fuck them.
Thanks for the truth.
Could you provide some specific details about how you felt your 5 years could have been improved/how they were damaged compared to other genbukan instruction programs?
Can you share a link for a technique, especially one that you heard was "secret?"
What's kyokushin and who teaches it in your area? Any instructors in USA?
Thank you for helping me gather data and understand.
They didn't want to teach me anything at the beginning, regarding their super secret bullshit. There are no secret techniques, believe me.
I came there as a good karateka and kickboxer who wanted to learn more about samurai culture and fighting techniques. I wasted 5 years on that shit, since I trusted in my sensei. 5 years between my 19 to 24 years old, learning almost zero. My sensei was so strict that he putted me doing khime gata for a year. A YEAR.
I got full of that crap, and started doing kyokushin. Which believe me, if you are a 5kyu in kyokushin you will kick anybody ass of the Genbukan and related arts, because they don't spar.
Genbukan could be one the greatest if the most successful self defense martial if they were more open to changes and modifications to their system.
But they will never grow with that mentality.
Put any kyoshi ou meiko kaiden against a competitive boxer and you will be surprised how quickly their fantasies fall apart.
OSU!
I wish I could never enter this organization and started doing kyokushin sooner, I wasted 5 competitive years on that school
You did an amazing job. Please show them the reality, the techniques will work if they know how to fight.
Kind regards from Portugal, and keep going the amazing work!
Ehehehehe, if you come here, you are welcome to taste our best dishes. Kind regards
Does anyone care about Takamatsu den arts anymore. Everyone serious about MA is doing combat sports
Cool bro 😎
there no secret but ones you keep for you self respect you telling this
Don't know why? You were just stating your opinion.
We want more!
Smart move to left such organisation, greetings from Bujinkan member
You need to leave too. 😂
@@JustinPrime85 thank you for suggestion
Two Genbukan practitioners are unhappy with this video.
Shoto Tanemura is a dictator! And his followers are just as worse
Now I see why the group in my area refuses to let people from other styles to come train with them, and why their seminars are all private closed seminars
It's. A. Cult.
Great video! - Luis Acosta
Get to the goddamn point...
Yes master