Excellent video. I was in Bujinkan in the late 80's thru end of the 90's. Everything you said is pretty spot on accurate. a couple things to clarify. First, Tanemura sensei, who really was revered even after he left in that people respected his skill, only trained with takamatsu just one time. From what i was told he didn't know Takamatsu or Akimoto. He did train with Kimura, Sato and Kobayashi, but these men were already so aged, that i would question the value of the training other than for educational purposes. nonetheless, Tanemura is a first class martial artist. Second, the dispute with Hatsumi was not due to Hayes, but to a different student who was a direct student of Tanemura and was disciplined by hatsumi for an incident that occured. Tanemura was insulted and felt it wasn't Hatsumi's place as it was his student. this is what i heard that was the final straw. there were other reasons as you stated. lastly, there was very little "ninjutsu" taught in any of the schools i attended. never at any seminars, etc. there were a few archaic and pretty useless kata taught from Togakure ryu, but that's all. as far as i know, little to nothing was taught from Gyokushin or Kumogakure Ryus even up to today. Bujinkan and Genbukan really are systems of traditional japanese jujutsu
I re-watched this early in the morning and wanted to add some other context to what I heard in this video. As far as Genbukan being strict and having tight quality control, this was all very true per my lived experience there. Our dojo cho (Joseph Svaral) was very exacting with regards to the techniques we learned. I remember doing the basics over and over hundreds of times per week. One thing that our dojo did do that others did not was newaza (ground technique; grappling). Svaral was a huge proponent of grappling and resistance training (training against a resisting opponent). Our Saturday class at 10am was your "normal" Genbukan class all the way through around 2pm. This included the kids classes and the adult classes on that day. After those classes were done, only a few select students would remain by invitation - I was lucky to be among them - and there were usually between 6 to 10 of us, max. We would grapple hard for about five hours. It was not uncommon to be completely choked-out during these matches (by that I mean, choked out to the point of going totally black). It was very hard training. Svaral rarely yelled at us, but he was very stern, so he didn't have to yell. All this training served me well years later when I joined the Army. I successfully completed the Airborne and Ranger courses about two years apart after joining, and about three years after that, I attended SFAS and was selected into Special Forces (SF). I served in SF for nearly 14 years before retiring from active service. I used what Svaral taught me more often than I can remember during those years - from the physical techniques to the mindset (especially the mindset). The way I commanded my soldiers was greatly influenced by how Svaral taught me martial arts. As a tribute to that, our unit challenge coin was designed to look like a four-pointed shuriken. Great memories.
Totally agree Juan, I trained with Sandro Panebianco head of the NJ dojo branch under Joe Svaral, when it was a Genbukan school and after it broke away and became Shinken Bujutsu. I later moved to another state and joined a Bujinkan Dojo. We always worked out hard and worked on Newaza (ground fighting/grapping) as well as traditional Ryuha, we always pressure tested the techniques as well. The training was hard but also awesome. I am glad the training under Joe Svaral served you well.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I was around when these splits were going on but sadly not a part of the Ninja community. Politics has destroyed the community. You may even say Hatsumi started the downfall by giving out Dans to just about everyone, while other Japanese schools were largely traditional and limited to 10. When you are low level you leave a school and likely seek another style because you are not getting what you wanted when you first started. However, when you are a high rank instructor you tend to be invested and rather than join another style you end up creating your own. Where any of these high rank Ninjas go wrong is when they try to create their own lineage when in fact their skills go back to hatsumi. I'd rather them just admit that, "This is OUR way of doing things, but THAT guy over there was our first teacher. The Elephant in the Room is did Hatsumi make it all up? Who knows? Now we have lots of other people starting their own Ryu and others calling themselves Soke who never achieved any solid rank from Hatsumi. I have softened over the years and just don't care: Fake or not, the best teacher is the one I can learn from and the one that can teach me to improve. I don't care where you got a technique from as long as it works.
Thanks for sharing. I feel the same way. All martial arts, particularly any Ryu started from someone making it up. I don't care where it comes from as long as it works to my benefit in a match.
Great video, Luis! Congrats on parsing so well your thoughts on Genbukan without going into some of the events. I've debated about making a video about my Genbukan experiences, but don't think I could avoid going into specifics being interrogated over that referral program. I miss the training, friends, and Tanemura Sensei every day, but can't deal with the egos.
Great educational piece Sensei Luis! I started out with the Genbukan back in 1996. My teacher left shortly afterwards to join the Bujinkan. I left and rejoined the Genbukan in 2002, leaving in 2018. My time with the org gave me a strong foundation in Ninpo. However, as you said, you get to a point where you get tired of the politics and seek more freedom in training. I am fortunate to train under Shihan Stevens, so I get to learn some of the 80's stuff that you mentioned. Keep the content coming. Gambatte!
All I can say is this video is very accurate and honest. I have experienced many of the things you have spoken about. Training in Genbukan from 1992 - 2005. I reached higher rank in the system. Some of it is debated, so I won't even speak of rank. But I loved training in Japan with Soke, but I personally left due to political reasons.
Thanks for your video, as a former Bujinkan and Genbukan practitioner, i trained near Paris with Sylvain Guintard in BJK and in Portugal with José Correia in GBK... This later Sensei in GBK trained with Tanemura since the middle/late 70's in the BJK school, and he was close to Soke when they split and did help him to start the Genbukan school, he was the one that suggested the GBK school card/passport that is still in use and helped him with the first edition of Ninpo Bugei Fundamental Taijutsu and had pictures of him in it too (the later one, Soke changed the pictures to better ones with other students). So he was around and trained 2-3 times a day with Tanemura for more than 10 years, even though there are many theories about why they split, students, women, lack of respect in certain scenarios, the main reason that made Tanemura step out was Hatsumi himself. Because of his attitudes toward westerners, people from Europe, Middle East countries and US were coming to Japan to see and learn with Hatsumi, they brought insane and really expensive gifts and Hatsumi just gave away many many honorary black belts with 2 weeks of "training" (they would get back to their country as "official black belts" and made fortunes with it) and that really got on Tanemura's nerves... My Sensei said that Tanemura told him he would never take part on such an insane thing and got out of BJK. For the curriculum in GBK is way harder, way practical and useful in real fight, BJK curriculum is a lot more structured in the various basic and higher ranks, in GBK you learn the basic to fight and start to learn the schools of Takamatsu-den more deeply only in higher ranks after Shodan (in my opinion, wrongly)... Even today, the GBK Honbu Dojo controls the dissemination of their teaching, because they want to make money on anything that can be sold, unfortunately even if i still love a lot GBK it is the hard truth, even though the GBK itself sells the secret teachings publicly in their site...
Hello, I began training ninjutsu in 1983/4 and we met in a clearing the woods and did our bow-ins under the sky and stars. We were but few, we trained day and night; in the clear, in the fog, rain and lightning storms. We trained both from underground pits we dug with hand-made tools and makeshift natural materials in tree-stands along pathways. We trained sentry stalking. We trained in ninja magic using hand signs with chants and meditations; along with ninja power meditations moving forces through body. Also, ninja-to, various types of shuriken and spikes practiced along with wilderness survival and doing all unseen. Many fond memories from my teens.
I do understand your point of view since like you I own a dojo , for me is a bit worse because its a small country and finding students willing to train is hard especially lately with covid restrictions, but mostly it’s because ninpo/ ninjitsu has a bad reputation. I am sure you understand and I know that you are aware of attacks which are done to the ninpo community by certain you tubers. the reason being that there are so many people posting on ninpo with most of the content is not executed properly or not explained well especially from the Bujinkan side. Now I certainly don’t want to go into politics I have been in both organization for a long time and I do understand that there are good instructors on both sides, but since Bujinkan is bigger and anyone is allowed to do anything, quality can’t be controlled and the result is that some of it’s members upload stuff that sometimes it's not even worthy to put them under ninpo/ninjitsu at all. So I understand why Soke Tenemura makes this decision. Because lets face it, there are good and bad practitioners in every martial art but when it looks bad it’s the martial arts that takes the blame and not the person who decided to upload a stupid video. Having sad that I do believe that the ninpo /ninjitsu name needs to be restored and the only way to do so is to show what proper ninpo looks like not by people who wants to look cool and attract people but from who knows what they are doing. Thanks for your channel and I hope that like you there are more people willing to restore the ninpo name.
I trained with Joseph Svaral back in the 90s when he was a 4th Dan in Genbukan. That was some of the most physical and toughest training I have taken part in during my many years of involvement in the martial arts. However, this was not the norm in Genbukan. Svaral was just one of those few hard core martial artists. He insisted that techniques were trained in with a resistant opponent and grappling was a huge part (from closing the distance to throwing and "ne-waza"). Ultimately, Svaral left the Genbukan and I won't speak to the reasons since I do not speak for him. But, yeah, not all Genbukan schools were created equal.
I find this notion of "secrecy" in not showing tactics and techniques taught in the Genbukan, considering there was quite a few sets of DVDs back in the 90s that was put out by Panther Productions, that dealt with use of the Hanbõ, or Samurai Bujutsu/Jūjutsu, etc. And even had footage of their Ninpõ Bugei, being shown on at least 2 Discovery channel specials about martial arts.
You all seem surprised by the structure and politics. It's Japan. You do anything in Japan, you do it the Japanese way. Excellent video by the way. Video suggestions: 1. A terminology breakdown in layman's terms. 2. Elements of ki/chi/internal-power/etc. inherent to the Japanese systems. I'm only familiar with Chinese theories. 3. An honest, accurate discussion of the history and origin including what came from samurai, what came from China, and what is purely, uniquely ninpo. 4. Religious or occult requirements or connections, if any. 5. Any factual accounts of ninpo practioner involvement in kumite/mma/full-contact fighting. 6. What exactly is the current situation with the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai? 7. Do you know of any factual history about the idea that Japanese immigrants in the 19th century brought Japanese ninpo to America in hidden groups or is that purely myth? Thanks.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was very helpful to hear. Did you train formerly with Sensei Shanks? I did in the 90's after his time in Genbukan when he went out on his own.
Great video. I don’t train that style but love M.A history. Anthony Cummings has blown the roof off many of these traditions and proved many of past history is false and made up. But good to see you are following your own path as you can see many have done that over the years.
I do ninpo and jujitsu ryu at samuraui centre in brighton . It is genbukan. This is with steuart alison. I have always found it a good organisation. Its not rocket science there is a way through it. And it is possible to get higher rankings if you work at it. It is afterall traditional jujitsu.
@@EmpireDojo Yes he is a nice guy, and a good instructor . His do jo is always popular with students. Normally 10 to 15 train each time together. But he has said a lot of people have moved on in the last few years due to covid, last i spoke with him.⛩💥
Thanks for this video. I trained for 3 years and got up to Shodan but my teacher in Texas left for work overseas. I had know one to train with and there were no virtual training back then in 1999. I asked to train with a local Bujinkan group and I had to giveback my rank an was banished.
@@graciestonewall9102 Houston, Tx. And I tried to reached out several times to train again over the years and was not allowed to. One instructor did not mind training me but would only do so with the approval of my last teach who banish man.
I find it interesting what this says about Tanemura's character. I heard from a witness that Hatsumi told Tanemura that if you left to start his own organization that he "would be disappointed by his students". I wondered what this meant for years and at first thought it was a slight to Tanemura. Then when I started teaching realized that sometimes as a teacher you pour your heart into a student and they quit and leave leaving you disappointed. Then I found this video and hear that Tanemura seems to micromanage his students and demean them as he shows disappointment in them. He also is hung up on driving a narrative about an event from 40 years ago. Recently a member of the Genbukan started posting videos where he states Tanemura is he only real inheritor with a monotone arrogance and narcissistically smirks while speaking like a cult leader about how happy he is... From the strict formality and sociopathic levels of control of behavior and submission to "the art" and "the grandmaster". The rigid movements, super secrets for members only, drive to recruit, inner circle secret squirrel silliness. the whole thing seems more like a cult the more I look into it. I am glad you pulled yourself free from what seems like just another twisted martial arts cult.
@@EmpireDojo yes. I trained in the Bujinkan from 1992 until 1999. also was exposed to Genbukan and Jinenkan during that time. I left due to the toxic atmosphere and dead end training. However, Hatsumi-sensei's insights and subtle techniques based around human locomotion shape the way I fight and teach.
Great video , I Train in the Bujinkan and am lucky enough to have a Genbukan school close by . Is it true the Genbukan does not accept Bujinkan practitioners? Would really love to cross train the both and get the best of both worlds
My main reason for leaving ninpo had nothing to do with the Genbukan, my instructor was way too into his marketing strategies to where I felt like it was overshadowing the art and the training itself. Hard to explain in a short comment, but the owner required students to purchase all their uniforms and equipment from the dojo owner's supplier company, which he also owned. Students who wanted to wear a thicker judo style gi had to purchase the gi from the owner, then also pay $60 extra per month just to retain the privilege of wearing a thicker gi in the dojo. That is equivalent to paying the cost of a new gi every 3 months. Later I learned that the gis were low quality single-weave which are more prone to ripping, probably because they wanted students to keep buying new ones. Students should be allowed to purchase their gi from any seller they want, end of story. Also, the two school rivalry stuff is not constructive at all because it doesn't help the art evolve. The two schools don't even compete against each other. They could have a bujinkan/genbukan taikai with grappling and kendo to vent some of that energy and help the art evolve, but they choose not to because most instructors chose to stay inside their bubble.
If I may offer a bit of personal input.. I think the strictness and old-school japanese manners and tongue lashings are as much of a part of hard training as the physical training. This is still a martial art rooted in military aspects, so hard discipline and some mentally toughening circumstances are essential to build up a mental state capable of dealing with violent encounters. Think about if, if you've never been in a bad spot during training where you had to bite back your anger and sadness and fear.. how are you going to handle a situation in life where you have to keep them in check, not against Sensei who ultimately wants to get you to where you can be, but someone who's decided a priori that it's worth ruining your life through violent means to get what he wants? How are you going to do what needs to be done to get out of it without losing yourself, and even if you win you can still get your life ruined because the law disagrees with your actions? These are all things that require broad considerations in a very narrow gap of decisions. I am not currently affiliated with the Genbukan.
@@EmpireDojo I do notice Genbukan people have a bit of an unexpected commercial line of reasoning in the videos I've seen. In my country it's a bit rare to find martial arts schools that function as a main source of income, so the whole being a sensei for a living is weird to me. Whichever the case is.. so long as you and your students use their Ninpo to get ahead in life honestly, every other thing doesn't really matter and the spirit of Takamatsu-Sensei and all the predecessors of the arts can smile from wherever they are.
It's really ridiculous. I left Genbukan in 2015 because of stupid and illogical stuff like the ones you're talking about. Also being all secretive and all.. Pandemic hit, and suddenly they are marketing like hell. Kyoshi Coleman uploaded like 15 videos with techniques and everything so yeah..
The Genbukan people I've seen aren't very impressive. They look like robots. Tanemura Sensei left due to a dispute about one of his Japanese deshi, not Hayes. You should do your homework before you comment. Also, everyone knows Mr. Tanemura didn't train with Takamatsu Sensei, he was taken to meet him by his then teacher, Hatsumi Sensei. Mr Tanemura met him like the rest of Hatsumi Sensei's students who were there that day. It took over a half an hour to come up with this monologue? SMH
Dear Luis Martinez, I'm not sure why are you getting all worked out and exited buy people like Michael Coleman? He's a person that still believes that he's a ninja and believes in magic? plus he's the"butler" of Shoto tanemura. I've met him Japan! Why do you take a person like him seriously? Was he or any one from ninpo still teaching the police or military as Krav-Maga or Gracie Jiu Jitsu does?? No...they all play the game of fake martial arts....So don't pay attention and let theem believe in the mambo-jambo magic and cart-whiles that tanemura and hatsumi are feeding them!
Excellent video. I was in Bujinkan in the late 80's thru end of the 90's. Everything you said is pretty spot on accurate. a couple things to clarify. First, Tanemura sensei, who really was revered even after he left in that people respected his skill, only trained with takamatsu just one time. From what i was told he didn't know Takamatsu or Akimoto. He did train with Kimura, Sato and Kobayashi, but these men were already so aged, that i would question the value of the training other than for educational purposes. nonetheless, Tanemura is a first class martial artist. Second, the dispute with Hatsumi was not due to Hayes, but to a different student who was a direct student of Tanemura and was disciplined by hatsumi for an incident that occured. Tanemura was insulted and felt it wasn't Hatsumi's place as it was his student. this is what i heard that was the final straw. there were other reasons as you stated. lastly, there was very little "ninjutsu" taught in any of the schools i attended. never at any seminars, etc. there were a few archaic and pretty useless kata taught from Togakure ryu, but that's all. as far as i know, little to nothing was taught from Gyokushin or Kumogakure Ryus even up to today. Bujinkan and Genbukan really are systems of traditional japanese jujutsu
I re-watched this early in the morning and wanted to add some other context to what I heard in this video. As far as Genbukan being strict and having tight quality control, this was all very true per my lived experience there. Our dojo cho (Joseph Svaral) was very exacting with regards to the techniques we learned. I remember doing the basics over and over hundreds of times per week. One thing that our dojo did do that others did not was newaza (ground technique; grappling). Svaral was a huge proponent of grappling and resistance training (training against a resisting opponent). Our Saturday class at 10am was your "normal" Genbukan class all the way through around 2pm. This included the kids classes and the adult classes on that day. After those classes were done, only a few select students would remain by invitation - I was lucky to be among them - and there were usually between 6 to 10 of us, max. We would grapple hard for about five hours. It was not uncommon to be completely choked-out during these matches (by that I mean, choked out to the point of going totally black). It was very hard training. Svaral rarely yelled at us, but he was very stern, so he didn't have to yell. All this training served me well years later when I joined the Army. I successfully completed the Airborne and Ranger courses about two years apart after joining, and about three years after that, I attended SFAS and was selected into Special Forces (SF). I served in SF for nearly 14 years before retiring from active service. I used what Svaral taught me more often than I can remember during those years - from the physical techniques to the mindset (especially the mindset). The way I commanded my soldiers was greatly influenced by how Svaral taught me martial arts. As a tribute to that, our unit challenge coin was designed to look like a four-pointed shuriken. Great memories.
Totally agree Juan, I trained with Sandro Panebianco head of the NJ dojo branch under Joe Svaral, when it was a Genbukan school and after it broke away and became Shinken Bujutsu. I later moved to another state and joined a Bujinkan Dojo. We always worked out hard and worked on Newaza (ground fighting/grapping) as well as traditional Ryuha, we always pressure tested the techniques as well. The training was hard but also awesome. I am glad the training under Joe Svaral served you well.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I was around when these splits were going on but sadly not a part of the Ninja community. Politics has destroyed the community. You may even say Hatsumi started the downfall by giving out Dans to just about everyone, while other Japanese schools were largely traditional and limited to 10. When you are low level you leave a school and likely seek another style because you are not getting what you wanted when you first started. However, when you are a high rank instructor you tend to be invested and rather than join another style you end up creating your own. Where any of these high rank Ninjas go wrong is when they try to create their own lineage when in fact their skills go back to hatsumi. I'd rather them just admit that, "This is OUR way of doing things, but THAT guy over there was our first teacher. The Elephant in the Room is did Hatsumi make it all up? Who knows? Now we have lots of other people starting their own Ryu and others calling themselves Soke who never achieved any solid rank from Hatsumi. I have softened over the years and just don't care: Fake or not, the best teacher is the one I can learn from and the one that can teach me to improve. I don't care where you got a technique from as long as it works.
Thanks for sharing. I feel the same way. All martial arts, particularly any Ryu started from someone making it up. I don't care where it comes from as long as it works to my benefit in a match.
Great video, Luis! Congrats on parsing so well your thoughts on Genbukan without going into some of the events. I've debated about making a video about my Genbukan experiences, but don't think I could avoid going into specifics being interrogated over that referral program. I miss the training, friends, and Tanemura Sensei every day, but can't deal with the egos.
Great educational piece Sensei Luis! I started out with the Genbukan back in 1996. My teacher left shortly afterwards to join the Bujinkan. I left and rejoined the Genbukan in 2002, leaving in 2018. My time with the org gave me a strong foundation in Ninpo. However, as you said, you get to a point where you get tired of the politics and seek more freedom in training. I am fortunate to train under Shihan Stevens, so I get to learn some of the 80's stuff that you mentioned. Keep the content coming. Gambatte!
All I can say is this video is very accurate and honest. I have experienced many of the things you have spoken about. Training in Genbukan from 1992 - 2005. I reached higher rank in the system. Some of it is debated, so I won't even speak of rank. But I loved training in Japan with Soke, but I personally left due to political reasons.
It was so disappointing to see great people like you put in that position. You were a terrific part of my Genbukan experience!
Thanks for your video, as a former Bujinkan and Genbukan practitioner, i trained near Paris with Sylvain Guintard in BJK and in Portugal with José Correia in GBK... This later Sensei in GBK trained with Tanemura since the middle/late 70's in the BJK school, and he was close to Soke when they split and did help him to start the Genbukan school, he was the one that suggested the GBK school card/passport that is still in use and helped him with the first edition of Ninpo Bugei Fundamental Taijutsu and had pictures of him in it too (the later one, Soke changed the pictures to better ones with other students). So he was around and trained 2-3 times a day with Tanemura for more than 10 years, even though there are many theories about why they split, students, women, lack of respect in certain scenarios, the main reason that made Tanemura step out was Hatsumi himself. Because of his attitudes toward westerners, people from Europe, Middle East countries and US were coming to Japan to see and learn with Hatsumi, they brought insane and really expensive gifts and Hatsumi just gave away many many honorary black belts with 2 weeks of "training" (they would get back to their country as "official black belts" and made fortunes with it) and that really got on Tanemura's nerves... My Sensei said that Tanemura told him he would never take part on such an insane thing and got out of BJK.
For the curriculum in GBK is way harder, way practical and useful in real fight, BJK curriculum is a lot more structured in the various basic and higher ranks, in GBK you learn the basic to fight and start to learn the schools of Takamatsu-den more deeply only in higher ranks after Shodan (in my opinion, wrongly)...
Even today, the GBK Honbu Dojo controls the dissemination of their teaching, because they want to make money on anything that can be sold, unfortunately even if i still love a lot GBK it is the hard truth, even though the GBK itself sells the secret teachings publicly in their site...
Hello, I began training ninjutsu in 1983/4 and we met in a clearing the woods and did our bow-ins under the sky and stars. We were but few, we trained day and night; in the clear, in the fog, rain and lightning storms. We trained both from underground pits we dug with hand-made tools and makeshift natural materials in tree-stands along pathways. We trained sentry stalking. We trained in ninja magic using hand signs with chants and meditations; along with ninja power meditations moving forces through body. Also, ninja-to, various types of shuriken and spikes practiced along with wilderness survival and doing all unseen. Many fond memories from my teens.
I do understand your point of view since like you I own a dojo , for me is a bit worse because its a small country and finding students willing to train is hard especially lately with covid restrictions, but mostly it’s because ninpo/ ninjitsu has a bad reputation.
I am sure you understand and I know that you are aware of attacks which are done to the ninpo community by certain you tubers. the reason being that there are so many people posting on ninpo with most of the content is not executed properly or not explained well especially from the Bujinkan side. Now I certainly don’t want to go into politics I have been in both organization for a long time and I do understand that there are good instructors on both sides, but since Bujinkan is bigger and anyone is allowed to do anything, quality can’t be controlled and the result is that some of it’s members upload stuff that sometimes it's not even worthy to put them under ninpo/ninjitsu at all. So I understand why Soke Tenemura makes this decision. Because lets face it, there are good and bad practitioners in every martial art but when it looks bad it’s the martial arts that takes the blame and not the person who decided to upload a stupid video.
Having sad that I do believe that the ninpo /ninjitsu name needs to be restored and the only way to do so is to show what proper ninpo looks like not by people who wants to look cool and attract people but from who knows what they are doing. Thanks for your channel and I hope that like you there are more people willing to restore the ninpo name.
@@EmpireDojo thanks for coming forward and sharing your knowledge. Keep up the good work :)
I trained with Joseph Svaral back in the 90s when he was a 4th Dan in Genbukan. That was some of the most physical and toughest training I have taken part in during my many years of involvement in the martial arts. However, this was not the norm in Genbukan. Svaral was just one of those few hard core martial artists. He insisted that techniques were trained in with a resistant opponent and grappling was a huge part (from closing the distance to throwing and "ne-waza"). Ultimately, Svaral left the Genbukan and I won't speak to the reasons since I do not speak for him. But, yeah, not all Genbukan schools were created equal.
I find this notion of "secrecy" in not showing tactics and techniques taught in the Genbukan, considering there was quite a few sets of DVDs back in the 90s that was put out by Panther Productions, that dealt with use of the Hanbõ, or Samurai Bujutsu/Jūjutsu, etc. And even had footage of their Ninpõ Bugei, being shown on at least 2 Discovery channel specials about martial arts.
Many thanks for this video! Very useful information !
You all seem surprised by the structure and politics. It's Japan. You do anything in Japan, you do it the Japanese way.
Excellent video by the way.
Video suggestions:
1. A terminology breakdown in layman's terms.
2. Elements of ki/chi/internal-power/etc. inherent to the Japanese systems. I'm only familiar with Chinese theories.
3. An honest, accurate discussion of the history and origin including what came from samurai, what came from China, and what is purely, uniquely ninpo.
4. Religious or occult requirements or connections, if any.
5. Any factual accounts of ninpo practioner involvement in kumite/mma/full-contact fighting.
6. What exactly is the current situation with the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai?
7. Do you know of any factual history about the idea that Japanese immigrants in the 19th century brought Japanese ninpo to America in hidden groups or is that purely myth?
Thanks.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was very helpful to hear. Did you train formerly with Sensei Shanks? I did in the 90's after his time in Genbukan when he went out on his own.
Great video. I don’t train that style but love M.A history. Anthony Cummings has blown the roof off many of these traditions and proved many of past history is false and made up. But good to see you are following your own path as you can see many have done that over the years.
No he hasn't. Cummings is full of it.
I do ninpo and jujitsu ryu at samuraui centre in brighton . It is genbukan. This is with steuart alison. I have always found it a good organisation. Its not rocket science there is a way through it. And it is possible to get higher rankings if you work at it. It is afterall traditional jujitsu.
@@EmpireDojo
Yes he is a nice guy, and a good instructor . His do jo is always popular with students. Normally 10 to 15 train each time together.
But he has said a lot of people have moved on in the last few years due to covid, last i spoke with him.⛩💥
Thanks for this video. I trained for 3 years and got up to Shodan but my teacher in Texas left for work overseas. I had know one to train with and there were no virtual training back then in 1999. I asked to train with a local Bujinkan group and I had to giveback my rank an was banished.
Wow. Sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing
Where did you train in Texas
@@graciestonewall9102 Houston, Tx. And I tried to reached out several times to train again over the years and was not allowed to. One instructor did not mind training me but would only do so with the approval of my last teach who banish man.
Still interested in training?
@@graciestonewall9102 are you in Houston? Sure definitely interested.
I find it interesting what this says about Tanemura's character. I heard from a witness that Hatsumi told Tanemura that if you left to start his own organization that he "would be disappointed by his students". I wondered what this meant for years and at first thought it was a slight to Tanemura. Then when I started teaching realized that sometimes as a teacher you pour your heart into a student and they quit and leave leaving you disappointed. Then I found this video and hear that Tanemura seems to micromanage his students and demean them as he shows disappointment in them. He also is hung up on driving a narrative about an event from 40 years ago. Recently a member of the Genbukan started posting videos where he states Tanemura is he only real inheritor with a monotone arrogance and narcissistically smirks while speaking like a cult leader about how happy he is... From the strict formality and sociopathic levels of control of behavior and submission to "the art" and "the grandmaster". The rigid movements, super secrets for members only, drive to recruit, inner circle secret squirrel silliness. the whole thing seems more like a cult the more I look into it. I am glad you pulled yourself free from what seems like just another twisted martial arts cult.
@@EmpireDojo yes. I trained in the Bujinkan from 1992 until 1999. also was exposed to Genbukan and Jinenkan during that time. I left due to the toxic atmosphere and dead end training. However, Hatsumi-sensei's insights and subtle techniques based around human locomotion shape the way I fight and teach.
hi, excellent video and i have a question what is taijutsu? And where can I practice it?
Is there a pt.2?
This was great
Great video , I Train in the Bujinkan and am lucky enough to have a Genbukan school close by . Is it true the Genbukan does not accept Bujinkan practitioners? Would really love to cross train the both and get the best of both worlds
That's correct. You can not be a member of the bujinkan and try to get into the genbukan. They won't allow it.
My main reason for leaving ninpo had nothing to do with the Genbukan, my instructor was way too into his marketing strategies to where I felt like it was overshadowing the art and the training itself. Hard to explain in a short comment, but the owner required students to purchase all their uniforms and equipment from the dojo owner's supplier company, which he also owned.
Students who wanted to wear a thicker judo style gi had to purchase the gi from the owner, then also pay $60 extra per month just to retain the privilege of wearing a thicker gi in the dojo. That is equivalent to paying the cost of a new gi every 3 months. Later I learned that the gis were low quality single-weave which are more prone to ripping, probably because they wanted students to keep buying new ones. Students should be allowed to purchase their gi from any seller they want, end of story.
Also, the two school rivalry stuff is not constructive at all because it doesn't help the art evolve. The two schools don't even compete against each other. They could have a bujinkan/genbukan taikai with grappling and kendo to vent some of that energy and help the art evolve, but they choose not to because most instructors chose to stay inside their bubble.
Do a video on the lack of proof of the Ninpo scrolls.
Why don't you since you think you know. Smh
@@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979 Anything I present won't be anything different than what historians haven't said already.
Thanks to share your experience.
It's not even that hard to find the whole video curriculum online
So I am curious about how you built a profitable business.
I'd love to learn about that
Do you own a dojo? You can email me to setup a free consultation. I do 1 on 1 business coaching with martial arts schools luis@empiredojo.com
@@EmpireDojo sounds good I'll be in touch.
Actually seiza no kamae (sitting posture)destroys the knees.....
If I may offer a bit of personal input.. I think the strictness and old-school japanese manners and tongue lashings are as much of a part of hard training as the physical training. This is still a martial art rooted in military aspects, so hard discipline and some mentally toughening circumstances are essential to build up a mental state capable of dealing with violent encounters. Think about if, if you've never been in a bad spot during training where you had to bite back your anger and sadness and fear.. how are you going to handle a situation in life where you have to keep them in check, not against Sensei who ultimately wants to get you to where you can be, but someone who's decided a priori that it's worth ruining your life through violent means to get what he wants? How are you going to do what needs to be done to get out of it without losing yourself, and even if you win you can still get your life ruined because the law disagrees with your actions? These are all things that require broad considerations in a very narrow gap of decisions.
I am not currently affiliated with the Genbukan.
@@EmpireDojo I do notice Genbukan people have a bit of an unexpected commercial line of reasoning in the videos I've seen. In my country it's a bit rare to find martial arts schools that function as a main source of income, so the whole being a sensei for a living is weird to me. Whichever the case is.. so long as you and your students use their Ninpo to get ahead in life honestly, every other thing doesn't really matter and the spirit of Takamatsu-Sensei and all the predecessors of the arts can smile from wherever they are.
You didn’t explain why he created his own dojo organisation. You mention Stephen Haynes and you didn’t continue properly.
Hayes, not Haynes.
Uma pessoa que foi da Bujinkan que tem graduação em shodan pode ingressar na genbukan com a faixa preta?
Ye s
It's really ridiculous. I left Genbukan in 2015 because of stupid and illogical stuff like the ones you're talking about. Also being all secretive and all.. Pandemic hit, and suddenly they are marketing like hell. Kyoshi Coleman uploaded like 15 videos with techniques and everything so yeah..
What’s your ranking in kukishinden ryu?
Chuden Menkyo
Fantastic! I have no menkyo 😂
@@theepeopleswarriorwhy not? You should obtain a few
Chuden menkyo via Shisenkan?
GM Ronald Duncan helped SKH
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I take classes at gembukan here in Brazil, it's been about 8 months
The genbukan movement is very stiff
I was in the Bujinkan it's too relaxed. They can't even agree on Basics. Bujinkan has become a mess people only stay for the ranks.
Oh brother. What bujinkan school did you train at?
The Genbukan people I've seen aren't very impressive. They look like robots. Tanemura Sensei left due to a dispute about one of his Japanese deshi, not Hayes. You should do your homework before you comment. Also, everyone knows Mr. Tanemura didn't train with Takamatsu Sensei, he was taken to meet him by his then teacher, Hatsumi Sensei. Mr Tanemura met him like the rest of Hatsumi Sensei's students who were there that day. It took over a half an hour to come up with this monologue? SMH
"They like robots".
Yeah,real stiff in comparison.
Dear Luis Martinez,
I'm not sure why are you getting all worked out and exited buy people like Michael Coleman? He's a person that still believes that he's a ninja and believes in magic? plus he's the"butler" of Shoto tanemura. I've met him Japan! Why do you take a person like him seriously? Was he or any one from ninpo still teaching the police or military as Krav-Maga or Gracie Jiu Jitsu does?? No...they all play the game of fake martial arts....So don't pay attention and let theem believe in the mambo-jambo magic and cart-whiles that tanemura and hatsumi are feeding them!
Hey, I just noticed you joined Shisenkan. Is there any way I can contact you privately, Facebook or Wapp?
Yes you may. Email is best luis@empiredojo.com