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I didn't know Tanemura-Sensei retired from police work. I was in Genbukan for a couple years long ago and faded out due to a combination of hectic family life and a not-so-great teacher. I always had mixed feelings about their rigid system... in many ways it was great, in other ways it was too rigid. In the real world some things have to adapt the user, there's just no way around it. Some of their customs could probably be left back in Feudal Japan and do not need to be so adamantly enforced in the modern age. Then with having a bad teacher that wouldn't explain what the hell you were doing wrong in an impossible technique was just infuriating. Still though I loved the ninpo system in and of itself and do want to seek it out again some day. I just found out there's a Bujinkan place close to me but I'm also curious about this Jinenkan I see mentioned in the comments.
It's a shame to hear. There was a martial arts supply store in Orlando (FL) that would rent you different videos. I used to use his VHS tapes from Panther Productions in the mid-70s. You never really know unless you are there. Thanks for the explanation of your experiences.
At the time I was in Kung Fu classes, my Teacher (Sifu, Cantonese) wasn't as strict. If we made mistakes in sparing IE: wrong step, Deflect, Strike or Combat Application (Kata) he would always tell us that it didn't matter just go with the flow. Kind of like learning to type if you struck the wrong letter, just continue on. Eventually you'll get it right. This also goes in hand with learning to be sponetaneous. But even today seems both Chinese and Japanese Schools have teachers like the one Anthony explained here. Finding a good Teacher is hard. But they are out there.
Genbukan charged me a deposit and shodan grading fee and then kept the money after the tai kai was cancelled due to Covid, so your book anecdote doesn't surprise me.
The only thing I really miss about the Genbukan was the swordsmanship. I went back to Bujinkan and enjoy just working on the 6 or so ryuha, not obsessing over the kata, plus Amatsu Tatara, Kokusai Jujutsu, Goshinjutsu, Chugoku Kempo, etc... there was just too much stuff, too much testing, too many kata and ryuha. But, the swordsmanship was on-point. People demonstrating sword in the Bujinkan, well, it tends to be bad.
Thank you very interesting, I have to ask right away what do you think of the Jinenkan ..Manaka Sensei I know it is of course based on the controversial Bujinkan scrolls.
@@AntonyCummins Greetings from New York Antony. My name is Adam and I'm a personal student of Manaka Sensei and would be happy to have a conversation with you about our training, and any details you might be curious about. Of course, if you are ever in New York, you are more than welcome to join us in training as my guest. I will be in Japan next month, so if there are any specific questions I can carry to Sensei on your behalf, I am happy to do so. Feel free to reach out any time sir.
Anthony, it just sounds like you got your feelings hurt. When I deployed to Afghanistan on one occasion, I had the dubious privilege to be assigned to work directly for one of the most difficult commanders in special operations at the time. The guy had deployed into Afghanistan shortly after the first two SFODAs were inserted in 2001 and had been involved ever since as the war unfolded through the years. The first day I met him, he chewed me out for something totally inconsequential. It totally pissed me off because it seemed like an ego trip. Anyway, after a while, it turns out that he became the best combat commander I ever worked for in my career. He wasn't perfect. But his heart was in the right place, and he was super competent. After all, it was just an ass chewing. No big deal. I moved on and came to learn a great deal from him. I've trained with Tanemura (long ago). Yes, he is tempermental and has his moments, but if you get past that, you can learn a great deal. Now, if you just feel that the system being taught is BS, that's different, and that's Ok. Just go elsewhere.
I was talking to a Bujinkan Shihan a few weeks ago about training with other Bujinkan, Jinenkan & Genbukan members while I was on tour in Afghanistan back in 2003. The Genbukan student was very robotic & stiiff. The Bujin Shihan mentioned Tanemura when he was still in the Bujinkan. He wasn't a fan of Tanemura and his way of teaching. How it was described was how you experienced. People will be people.
Do you know Martin Faulks? Ever read his book "Becoming a Ninja Warrior", about how he pursued "real ninjutsu" training in the 2000s? I enjoyed it, but I suspect he made some of it up (particularly his training with the "Norfolk Ninjas"). Just curious if you know anything about it.
Would be interesting to hear your opinion on Asayama Ichiden ryu and the soke Seki Nobuhide. There seem to be traditional connections of Asayama Ichiden both with the Genbukan of Shoto Tanumera and the Jinenkan of Manaka Unsui.
Shototanamura was an old school and from military police force as such regimented. The idea is to lose rigidity in real life situation. The only critic is lack of randuri. I have seen explosive attack in higher level grading and providing memory muscle is there can be calledupon. Japaniese cuture historically was extremly higharachical and feudal soviety so such attitude is expected.
So where does Soke Anshu Christa Jacobson fit in all this?lol. She us a great teacher,by the way. Im sure there is a long explanation,but if you could do the short version I’d appreciate it,lol. She lives about 3 hours from me, and I’ve seriously been contemplating doing some of her workshop weekend training this summer.
Great Stuff Anthony. My spidey senses would kick off if I went to another school, and they awarded me a black belt because I held a black belt under my last system. I would prefer to wear a white belt and let the class know I had the correct background . It never bothered me when students switched schools, but some really got pissed ... disagree with shouting at students in class, its impolite , and shows you have lost control
I've seen black belts have their rank honored at new schools. They were then placed in an accelerated program to bring them up to speed to learn the curriculum of the new school. This was a difficult thing indeed.
I was in the Genbukan for six years. I was one of the first group leaders in the UK. When we first started it was training in the same arts as the Bujinkan only much better. The Kihon of the Genbukan are spot on where most Bujinkan guys cannot even do an arm lock or wrist lock correctly. We also did sword evasion every lesson and even Genbukan kyu grades were spot on here always avoiding the cut of the shinai, unlike the Bujinkan 10th dan and his students who turned up for a seminar and got hit every time. My problem with the Genbukan is that it is iike a cult. Sure we are studying a traditional Japanese martial art, but Tanemura is just over the top, and I have trained with other Japanese martial arts instructors both in the Bujinkan and out of the Bujinkan and they are no way like him. As time went on other ryu ha suddenly appeared and a seminar became too much material. It was all interesting but I did wonder where he had learnt it all from and so quickly. Although having a conversation with a Japanese master some years ago who is a Soke of several schools under Sato Kimbei said to me "Oh Tanemura, he just makes things up". I have had two Japanese masters (Neither Bujinkan) either hint or tell me this now. For me however the final straw was attending a seminar, being given Shodan, after my 1st kyu the previous year and sending to Japan my money for the grade and kyu grades or my students and never receiving a thing. Many phone calls latter still nothing. The Genbukan could have been fantastic, but too many internal struggles, massive egos, and poor leadership. But that could be said for the Bujinkan also.
Hello Anthony, I just noticed this video and thought I would comment, Since my name has been mentioned in some of the comments. First off you only trained on the Sunday mornings, probably due to the travel issues. The Sunday morning is only Baqua. Not Tai Chi. If you trained in any classes other than sunday it would have been very few because as I said, James never saw you in any. Inregards to the black belt, I am sure this would not have been allowed, a green belt yes. I confirmed this with Shihan Wright who was there all the time. You only trained very very little. Any training in any military arts has to be done very strict, just look at the military. I myself trained Police, military for well over 20+ years and it is no different. Now if your talking about teaching teir 1 individuals, this would be more open and flexible. Same here, in the advanced training there was more room for variance. Now Sensei, has some issues, but as everyone states, no one argues on his skill level. I myself looked passed some of the stuff to continue training. I left for my own issues. The sad thing is that the Genbukan could have been one of the best orgs in the ninpo world. One of the main reason it did not is Tanemura Sensei's character which you eluded to. I also agreed in your comment there is a different discipline and being to strict and miss treating people. This is the real reason why so many people have left. Not for a lack of knowledge or skill or lack of learning. I was lucky to be one of the very few to get to the higher levels, I was training Okuden in most and Menkyo for a few. Unfortunately I left before achieving the final level. I couldn't continue to stay in that environment when you get blamed for something you didn't do. As John Lindsey mentioned, James Wright Shihan has also left the Genbukan. HE is the one person that I can say has truly mastered and reached a level of knowledge in the Ninpo arts that puts to shame all the other Shihan that I have seen. When I looked back at my training this man (Shihan Wright) shaped my skill and training more so than Tanemura Sensei. People wondered why I was advancing so fast and my knowledge and skill were far surpassing most in the Genbukan. The reason is because of my friendship and mentorship from Shihan Wright. This still continues today. We are in the process of starting something up to allow Shihan Wright to pass on this knowledge to other people. So stay tuned. Unfortunately, the Genbukan is falling apart at the seems and it saddens me because of the love and effort and years of service I put in to helping my Teacher Tanemura Sensei build it. I took care of all of Canada and we were seen as a rock in the Org, only to be destroyed by Sensei's actions. Sad.
Well, I dabbled in it the Genbukan for over 11 YEARS and hold a record even to this day. I NEVER EVER made it even to MU KYU…in any official manner anyways where diplomas,etc are concerned. My Taijutsu must have been bad for sure! Was I stupid to train hard for so long and I mean HARD a lot of the times and have nothing to show for it? It was very, disciplined because that was apparently the way Soke Tanemura wanted it to be…for quality control and such. It was NOT to be viewed as a sport. Jinenkan..atleast with Shodan and above they are very technical but much softer in training as compared to the Genbukan for sure.Why? Unsui Sensei (Mr Manaka) said there was no need for that type of training in our modern day. Genbukan falling apart…🤔
In my opinion, being over ridged in movement or form would be counter to what I would call the Silent Way. Once the foundations are taught one should set aside hardline responses in order to be able to respond to circumstances as needed, martial or otherwise. In my experience, the Silent Way is a set of principles that can be applied to all areas of life.
@@AntonyCummins I trained early 90's in LA. Met Tanemura a few times and nothing you say surprises me, I never liked him personally. My Sensei was his personal uke for about 4 years before he started his dojo so I had a front row seat to watch the transition to a Mcdojo type of situation and this caused a rift between them that only furthered with time. I have seen Tanemura do some amazing things though
You're pretty much correct with everything. I was yelled at by tanemura at his dojo for taking notes in Anza instead of seiza. He acted like it was one of the worst things any martial artist could ever do. Tanemura also yelled at my teacher (like extremely yelled) at a tai kai in front of his high ranking kyoshi and shihan because my teacher made a website to market his dojo and Tanemura had to see the website first before it went public. That's when we decided to leave the org as well. I've seen tanemura yell at people for "pointing" a sword at him. When there's over 300 people in a small area trying to train. It's like a cult. Although I would say he is greatly skilled and keeps up with quality control in his organization so that's a big plus. Word of advice though.....change your thumbnail on this video. The Genbukan will see it and have your video taken down for "copyright" it's happen to me several times. Make sure their logo or tanemura himself is not your thumbnail.
I am sorry you and your instructor had such a poor experience there. I trained in Genbukan for approximately four years with Joseph Svaral in NY. I attended several Taikai's with Tanemura Shoto and I never saw this side of him. In fact, the most "serious" thing I ever saw was when he was showing some sword techniques and the tori did a downward cut towards Tanemura when he was about to make some kind of point to the crowd of attendees. He sort of caught the movement and quickly turned, blocked the strike and countered. He then turned to the tori, who was something like a third or fourth dan, and told him "If you over quick, you die", and then he laughed and so did everyone else. That's the most serious situation I saw. My teacher's stories did express a high degree of discipline at the hombu dojo in Japan, but he never shared anything that stands out as extreme. But, how knows, people change; maybe he did too.
I heard that after Troy resigned, there was drama with James because he was a close friend and ST didn't like it. I think James ultimately had to leave?
Great video mate. I've been in Genbukan for five years, and as years went by, the situation became more and more unbearable. It all went to high hell when I was in Japan in 2015 on TaiKai. Then we went to honbu dojo for two weeks and that was just terrible. Soke and his elite guard of Shihans ( not all to be honest ) were behaving like they were sent from heaven to teach us mortals some japanese martial arts. When in reality, as you have mentioned, most of them would get kick in the nuts from some Taekwondo / Karate / Judo / Muy Thai practicioners. The attitude towards kyu students was appaling. Dojo did look really nice and clean, but I didn't go to Japan for a nice dojo. Needless to say, my own "sensei" was an egotistical maniac and it was time for me to move on. Let me know if there are some proper schools / dojos where you can learn all the ryu-ha and get real martial arts training.
@@AntonyCumminshello, I attend a school in Denver Colorado. Kusa Dojo. Sensei Marc Hanson. He is a student of Kancho Chadwick Minge who was tanamura’s 1st us student I believe. These guys are so rooted during the simplest shuto, block . I not sure if it’s effective it’s kinda slow to me but the power they upper ranks have I’ve not felt before. They left Genbukan and have their own organization now. Ten Chi Wa Bujutsukan. I hope it’s not flim flam. Is it ok if we don’t technically spare but do a 4 on 1 type randori where your in middle a someone just randomly attacking you however they want no pre set up except you know something gonna happen.
Same is in Israel in krav maga training,teachers are very strict and provoking students to check their mental power and how they work under stress.Seems that You are bit weak and didnt pass the test.
The impression I get is that the leaders of the "ninjutsu" community are basically a collection of grifters. Glad I never wasted my time on that nonsense.
Yup, shady organization to the max! I have never heard of someone being so controlling and... crazy? It's the polar opposite of Bujinkan in a spitfeul and resenting sort of way. Neither are healthy. Jinenkan for the win. And notice that Manaka doesn't really play or advertise the ninja card at all. A truly honest organization. And it's given us a man like Eric Shahan who is also doing a great job bringing obscure texts into English!
To be fair, after seeing some of his videos, some of his stuff looks posed and artificial. i'm not a fan either of this British practitioner you mention.
@@davechopin6788 In what fucking world is training living Kobudo arts a waste of time? If he wanted to be a "modern day ninja" he should've joined his country's special forces, instead of pretending to be a real ninja because he reads scrolls other than those Hatsumi and Tanemura read.
What does him being white have to do with the quality of training? The Japanese are human. Nobody is exempt from criticism. You can't criticize or question their training methods as a student but they can take your money though. As long they are asking you for money and you you are paying you are entitled to question what they teach.
Christ, try Genshinkan in Togakushi itself. The Sensei there really enjoys breaking bones and all varieties of cartilage. Every student gets something broken. But as it's not a business, no lawsuits.
If you want to become a samurai, this is the first step
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😆😆😆 fook da haters
Chosen Ninja 🥷 will rise again and with him Korean ninjitsu
Greg park? I think he died.
Wtf
He was just about as fake as they get...
😂
I didn't know Tanemura-Sensei retired from police work. I was in Genbukan for a couple years long ago and faded out due to a combination of hectic family life and a not-so-great teacher. I always had mixed feelings about their rigid system... in many ways it was great, in other ways it was too rigid. In the real world some things have to adapt the user, there's just no way around it. Some of their customs could probably be left back in Feudal Japan and do not need to be so adamantly enforced in the modern age. Then with having a bad teacher that wouldn't explain what the hell you were doing wrong in an impossible technique was just infuriating. Still though I loved the ninpo system in and of itself and do want to seek it out again some day. I just found out there's a Bujinkan place close to me but I'm also curious about this Jinenkan I see mentioned in the comments.
It's a shame to hear. There was a martial arts supply store in Orlando (FL) that would rent you different videos. I used to use his VHS tapes from Panther Productions in the mid-70s. You never really know unless you are there. Thanks for the explanation of your experiences.
At the time I was in Kung Fu classes, my Teacher (Sifu, Cantonese) wasn't as strict. If we made mistakes in sparing IE: wrong step, Deflect, Strike or Combat Application (Kata) he would always tell us that it didn't matter just go with the flow. Kind of like learning to type if you struck the wrong letter, just continue on. Eventually you'll get it right. This also goes in hand with learning to be sponetaneous. But even today seems both Chinese and Japanese Schools have teachers like the one Anthony explained here. Finding a good Teacher is hard. But they are out there.
Genbukan charged me a deposit and shodan grading fee and then kept the money after the tai kai was cancelled due to Covid, so your book anecdote doesn't surprise me.
9:32 This is gold man; the first time I see you angry 😂
And Otake Sensei is a different breed really, may his soul rest in peace 🙏🏻
He was awesome and a great man
Yes Shoto was a Cop and was an instructor in Taihojitsu at the police department. He was a policeman for 24years.
The only thing I really miss about the Genbukan was the swordsmanship. I went back to Bujinkan and enjoy just working on the 6 or so ryuha, not obsessing over the kata, plus Amatsu Tatara, Kokusai Jujutsu, Goshinjutsu, Chugoku Kempo, etc... there was just too much stuff, too much testing, too many kata and ryuha. But, the swordsmanship was on-point. People demonstrating sword in the Bujinkan, well, it tends to be bad.
Thank you very interesting, I have to ask right away what do you think of the Jinenkan ..Manaka Sensei I know it is of course based on the controversial Bujinkan scrolls.
I’ve never met them yet. I need to
@@AntonyCummins Greetings from New York Antony. My name is Adam and I'm a personal student of Manaka Sensei and would be happy to have a conversation with you about our training, and any details you might be curious about. Of course, if you are ever in New York, you are more than welcome to join us in training as my guest. I will be in Japan next month, so if there are any specific questions I can carry to Sensei on your behalf, I am happy to do so. Feel free to reach out any time sir.
Anthony, it just sounds like you got your feelings hurt. When I deployed to Afghanistan on one occasion, I had the dubious privilege to be assigned to work directly for one of the most difficult commanders in special operations at the time. The guy had deployed into Afghanistan shortly after the first two SFODAs were inserted in 2001 and had been involved ever since as the war unfolded through the years. The first day I met him, he chewed me out for something totally inconsequential. It totally pissed me off because it seemed like an ego trip. Anyway, after a while, it turns out that he became the best combat commander I ever worked for in my career. He wasn't perfect. But his heart was in the right place, and he was super competent. After all, it was just an ass chewing. No big deal. I moved on and came to learn a great deal from him. I've trained with Tanemura (long ago). Yes, he is tempermental and has his moments, but if you get past that, you can learn a great deal. Now, if you just feel that the system being taught is BS, that's different, and that's Ok. Just go elsewhere.
I was talking to a Bujinkan Shihan a few weeks ago about training with other Bujinkan, Jinenkan & Genbukan members while I was on tour in Afghanistan back in 2003. The Genbukan student was very robotic & stiiff. The Bujin Shihan mentioned Tanemura when he was still in the Bujinkan. He wasn't a fan of Tanemura and his way of teaching. How it was described was how you experienced. People will be people.
Personally I feel really bad for younger students that go to these fraudulent schools. Thank you for sharing this with us
Do you know Martin Faulks? Ever read his book "Becoming a Ninja Warrior", about how he pursued "real ninjutsu" training in the 2000s? I enjoyed it, but I suspect he made some of it up (particularly his training with the "Norfolk Ninjas"). Just curious if you know anything about it.
I know him yes. But he disappeared not heard from him in a long time.
@@AntonyCummins is he not into esoteric research? MUST be the same guy. All over youtube. really into franz bardon.
Would be interesting to hear your opinion on Asayama Ichiden ryu and the soke Seki Nobuhide.
There seem to be traditional connections of Asayama Ichiden both with the Genbukan of Shoto Tanumera and the Jinenkan of Manaka Unsui.
Email me the info
His channel: youtube.com/@letsasksekisensei
The Wikipedia page which mentions Genbukan and Jinenkan:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asayama_Ichiden-ry%C5%AB
Shototanamura was an old school and from military police force as such regimented. The idea is to lose rigidity in real life situation. The only critic is lack of randuri. I have seen explosive attack in higher level grading and providing memory muscle is there can be calledupon. Japaniese cuture historically was extremly higharachical and feudal soviety so such attitude is expected.
Anthony, have you ever trained with Fumio Manaka at the Jinenkan?
No I’ve never had the chance
Trained with him when he came to England 1984ish,he was alright good martial artist
I wonder what is the future of Ninpo?
So where does Soke Anshu Christa Jacobson fit in all this?lol. She us a great teacher,by the way. Im sure there is a long explanation,but if you could do the short version I’d appreciate it,lol. She lives about 3 hours from me, and I’ve seriously been contemplating doing some of her workshop weekend training this summer.
She is a nice person, you should email her tell her I sent you
@@AntonyCummins will do,thanks Sir Antony
@@samuraibyrd antony tried to get Christa pregnant a couple of times until he finally realized that......
😂
@@AntonyCummins its funny you said that, i found your channel from watching hers,lol. Both of you are great! Thanks
Great Stuff Anthony. My spidey senses would kick off if I went to another school, and they awarded me a black belt because I held a black belt under my last system. I would prefer to wear a white belt and let the class know I had the correct background . It never bothered me when students switched schools, but some really got pissed ... disagree with shouting at students in class, its impolite , and shows you have lost control
I've seen black belts have their rank honored at new schools. They were then placed in an accelerated program to bring them up to speed to learn the curriculum of the new school. This was a difficult thing indeed.
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Antony, if I may, how long did you train with the Bujinkan and Genbukan?
Bujinkan it was about 5 years but it faded out. I only was with genbukan for the one year but to be honest I was not impressed and did not go long
@@AntonyCummins it wasn't 5 years. Stop lying.
@@AntonyCummins you sure do get called out a lot by others claiming to have also been there...
Now maybe you could visit Ashida Kim; now that would be interesting.
I was in the Genbukan for six years. I was one of the first group leaders in the UK. When we first started it was training in the same arts as the Bujinkan only much better. The Kihon of the Genbukan are spot on where most Bujinkan guys cannot even do an arm lock or wrist lock correctly. We also did sword evasion every lesson and even Genbukan kyu grades were spot on here always avoiding the cut of the shinai, unlike the Bujinkan 10th dan and his students who turned up for a seminar and got hit every time. My problem with the Genbukan is that it is iike a cult. Sure we are studying a traditional Japanese martial art, but Tanemura is just over the top, and I have trained with other Japanese martial arts instructors both in the Bujinkan and out of the Bujinkan and they are no way like him. As time went on other ryu ha suddenly appeared and a seminar became too much material. It was all interesting but I did wonder where he had learnt it all from and so quickly. Although having a conversation with a Japanese master some years ago who is a Soke of several schools under Sato Kimbei said to me "Oh Tanemura, he just makes things up". I have had two Japanese masters (Neither Bujinkan) either hint or tell me this now. For me however the final straw was attending a seminar, being given Shodan, after my 1st kyu the previous year and sending to Japan my money for the grade and kyu grades or my students and never receiving a thing. Many phone calls latter still nothing. The Genbukan could have been fantastic, but too many internal struggles, massive egos, and poor leadership. But that could be said for the Bujinkan also.
Hello Anthony, I just noticed this video and thought I would comment, Since my name has been mentioned in some of the comments. First off you only trained on the Sunday mornings, probably due to the travel issues. The Sunday morning is only Baqua. Not Tai Chi. If you trained in any classes other than sunday it would have been very few because as I said, James never saw you in any. Inregards to the black belt, I am sure this would not have been allowed, a green belt yes. I confirmed this with Shihan Wright who was there all the time. You only trained very very little. Any training in any military arts has to be done very strict, just look at the military. I myself trained Police, military for well over 20+ years and it is no different. Now if your talking about teaching teir 1 individuals, this would be more open and flexible. Same here, in the advanced training there was more room for variance. Now Sensei, has some issues, but as everyone states, no one argues on his skill level. I myself looked passed some of the stuff to continue training. I left for my own issues. The sad thing is that the Genbukan could have been one of the best orgs in the ninpo world. One of the main reason it did not is Tanemura Sensei's character which you eluded to. I also agreed in your comment there is a different discipline and being to strict and miss treating people. This is the real reason why so many people have left. Not for a lack of knowledge or skill or lack of learning. I was lucky to be one of the very few to get to the higher levels, I was training Okuden in most and Menkyo for a few. Unfortunately I left before achieving the final level. I couldn't continue to stay in that environment when you get blamed for something you didn't do. As John Lindsey mentioned, James Wright Shihan has also left the Genbukan. HE is the one person that I can say has truly mastered and reached a level of knowledge in the Ninpo arts that puts to shame all the other Shihan that I have seen. When I looked back at my training this man (Shihan Wright) shaped my skill and training more so than Tanemura Sensei. People wondered why I was advancing so fast and my knowledge and skill were far surpassing most in the Genbukan. The reason is because of my friendship and mentorship from Shihan Wright. This still continues today. We are in the process of starting something up to allow Shihan Wright to pass on this knowledge to other people. So stay tuned. Unfortunately, the Genbukan is falling apart at the seems and it saddens me because of the love and effort and years of service I put in to helping my Teacher Tanemura Sensei build it. I took care of all of Canada and we were seen as a rock in the Org, only to be destroyed by Sensei's actions. Sad.
Hi Troy I think you are correct on the green belt, I could not remember it was so long ago.
I hope you do build something new.
Well, I dabbled in it the Genbukan for over 11 YEARS and hold a record even to this day. I NEVER EVER made it even to MU KYU…in any official manner anyways where diplomas,etc are concerned. My Taijutsu must have been bad for sure! Was I stupid to train hard for so long and I mean HARD a lot of the times and have nothing to show for it? It was very, disciplined because that was apparently the way Soke Tanemura wanted it to be…for quality control and such. It was NOT to be viewed as a sport.
Jinenkan..atleast with Shodan and above they are very technical but much softer in training as compared to the Genbukan for sure.Why? Unsui Sensei (Mr Manaka) said there was no need for that type of training in our modern day.
Genbukan falling apart…🤔
9:58 - your skill in pulling that impression off is definitely 10th dan level. 🤣🤣🤣
Next video is probably gonna be why I left jinnenkan and xD just kidding m8 keep up the great work!
I would have left that too
🙂🙂🙂🙂
In my opinion, being over ridged in movement or form would be counter to what I would call the Silent Way. Once the foundations are taught one should set aside hardline responses in order to be able to respond to circumstances as needed, martial or otherwise. In my experience, the Silent Way is a set of principles that can be applied to all areas of life.
Watching you discuss your experiences gives me more reason to stay away from the TakamatsuDen. Lol
5:38 What year was this?
Edit 8:05 legit lol
I went to them around 2008 ish maybe before
@@AntonyCummins I trained early 90's in LA. Met Tanemura a few times and nothing you say surprises me, I never liked him personally. My Sensei was his personal uke for about 4 years before he started his dojo so I had a front row seat to watch the transition to a Mcdojo type of situation and this caused a rift between them that only furthered with time.
I have seen Tanemura do some amazing things though
You're pretty much correct with everything. I was yelled at by tanemura at his dojo for taking notes in Anza instead of seiza. He acted like it was one of the worst things any martial artist could ever do.
Tanemura also yelled at my teacher (like extremely yelled) at a tai kai in front of his high ranking kyoshi and shihan because my teacher made a website to market his dojo and Tanemura had to see the website first before it went public. That's when we decided to leave the org as well. I've seen tanemura yell at people for "pointing" a sword at him. When there's over 300 people in a small area trying to train. It's like a cult.
Although I would say he is greatly skilled and keeps up with quality control in his organization so that's a big plus.
Word of advice though.....change your thumbnail on this video. The Genbukan will see it and have your video taken down for "copyright" it's happen to me several times. Make sure their logo or tanemura himself is not your thumbnail.
Ok will do and thank you.
I am sorry you and your instructor had such a poor experience there. I trained in Genbukan for approximately four years with Joseph Svaral in NY. I attended several Taikai's with Tanemura Shoto and I never saw this side of him. In fact, the most "serious" thing I ever saw was when he was showing some sword techniques and the tori did a downward cut towards Tanemura when he was about to make some kind of point to the crowd of attendees. He sort of caught the movement and quickly turned, blocked the strike and countered. He then turned to the tori, who was something like a third or fourth dan, and told him "If you over quick, you die", and then he laughed and so did everyone else. That's the most serious situation I saw. My teacher's stories did express a high degree of discipline at the hombu dojo in Japan, but he never shared anything that stands out as extreme. But, how knows, people change; maybe he did too.
I heard that after Troy resigned, there was drama with James because he was a close friend and ST didn't like it. I think James ultimately had to leave?
@@johnlindsey285 Did Troy W. leave as well?
@@MVK_GS Troy Wideman did leave.
Good story. I think the word your looking for is [ Bent ] . He was a bent person.
That means gay in english
@@AntonyCummins where i live it means someone who is unable to to do things a different way , or is incapable of change.
Sometime it's a good thing sometimes not
Great video mate. I've been in Genbukan for five years, and as years went by, the situation became more and more unbearable. It all went to high hell when I was in Japan in 2015 on TaiKai. Then we went to honbu dojo for two weeks and that was just terrible. Soke and his elite guard of Shihans ( not all to be honest ) were behaving like they were sent from heaven to teach us mortals some japanese martial arts. When in reality, as you have mentioned, most of them would get kick in the nuts from some Taekwondo / Karate / Judo / Muy Thai practicioners. The attitude towards kyu students was appaling. Dojo did look really nice and clean, but I didn't go to Japan for a nice dojo. Needless to say, my own "sensei" was an egotistical maniac and it was time for me to move on. Let me know if there are some proper schools / dojos where you can learn all the ryu-ha and get real martial arts training.
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@@AntonyCumminshello, I attend a school in Denver Colorado. Kusa Dojo. Sensei Marc Hanson. He is a student of Kancho Chadwick Minge who was tanamura’s 1st us student I believe. These guys are so rooted during the simplest shuto, block . I not sure if it’s effective it’s kinda slow to me but the power they upper ranks have I’ve not felt before. They left Genbukan and have their own organization now. Ten Chi Wa Bujutsukan. I hope it’s not flim flam. Is it ok if we don’t technically spare but do a 4 on 1 type randori where your in middle a someone just randomly attacking you however they want no pre set up except you know something gonna happen.
So if you receive, some whisky, a cigarettes, and porn in the post, it wasn't from me. Haha
Hahaha
You are funny
Same is in Israel in krav maga training,teachers are very strict and provoking students to check their mental power and how they work under stress.Seems that You are bit weak and didnt pass the test.
He was not clever enough to be testing and he did not teach well
The impression I get is that the leaders of the "ninjutsu" community are basically a collection of grifters. Glad I never wasted my time on that nonsense.
Wow Anthony you've had a lot of experience in the martial arts world seems like you've had your fair share of terrible master arts instructors
Yep alot
Yup, shady organization to the max! I have never heard of someone being so controlling and... crazy? It's the polar opposite of Bujinkan in a spitfeul and resenting sort of way. Neither are healthy.
Jinenkan for the win. And notice that Manaka doesn't really play or advertise the ninja card at all. A truly honest organization. And it's given us a man like Eric Shahan who is also doing a great job bringing obscure texts into English!
To be fair, after seeing some of his videos, some of his stuff looks posed and artificial. i'm not a fan either of this British practitioner you mention.
Running out of shit on the Bujinkan so now he shits on the Genbukan. I can't wait for Akban, Toshindo and Jinenkan.
Maybe he just didn't want to waste valuable time anymore?
@@davechopin6788 In what fucking world is training living Kobudo arts a waste of time? If he wanted to be a "modern day ninja" he should've joined his country's special forces, instead of pretending to be a real ninja because he reads scrolls other than those Hatsumi and Tanemura read.
Real bugeisha (I personally believe you are not one) don't talk about other bugeisha specially about another sensei.
He is no woman. Youre right in that. 😂
Warrior Prostitute? 🤣
Lol at a Caucasian telling the Japanese how they should do a Japanese art. Smh
What does him being white have to do with the quality of training? The Japanese are human. Nobody is exempt from criticism. You can't criticize or question their training methods as a student but they can take your money though. As long they are asking you for money and you you are paying you are entitled to question what they teach.
😂😂😂😂!!!!!! Jack of all trades master of none !!! 😂😂😂
Christ, try Genshinkan in Togakushi itself. The Sensei there really enjoys breaking bones and all varieties of cartilage. Every student gets something broken. But as it's not a business, no lawsuits.