Seconds from Disaster - Mercyhurst University vs Seton Hill NCAA Baseball Game Protest is Upheld
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2021
- Thanks to an umpiring snafu and upheld protest, Saturday 4/24's first game of the Mercyhurst Lakers v Seton Hill Griffins doubleheader officially does not exist, after umpires reversed a strike three call leading to a chain reaction of critical events. Article: www.closecallsports.com/2021/...
With one out and one on in the bottom of the 2nd inning and MU leading 2-1, SMU batter Tyler Peterson took a 3-2 pitch for a called third strike. The home plate umpire then called the batter out for interference as the catcher attempted to throw out a stealing runner, resulting in the final out of the inning (NCAA Rule 6-3-b regarding interference states, "If the batter strikes out, the runner is also out").
At least 10 events contributed to what would become a non-game in Pennsylvania as the PSAC conference upheld MU's protest that the umpires had improperly applied NCAA rules.
Specifically, in reversing the plate umpire's original strike three call and overturning it to ball four-thus extending the inning and, ultimately, allowing SMU to score two additional runs [the tying and go-ahead runs]-the umpires appeared to have violated NCAA Appendix E-1-f, which states that certain judgment calls, including balls/strikes decisions, are not subject to reversal.
The video documents other events, including game management and interaction with the aggrieved coach and dugout, that led to a difficult sequence Saturday afternoon. - Sport
Can't believe no one else is talking about that guys horrid screaming
Oh wait, you mean that noise was a member of the audience or one of the players? I thought they were near a farm, and someone was doing a godawful job of strangling a chicken. (^_~)
Want to look away...
Can't stop watching this train wreck...
Oh the humanity...
HA!
I agree!
I feel like the field umpire was the biggest issue here. Plate umpire seemed to just want to get back to work and knew he screwed up because he kept a long leash for players and coaches.
Looked like that to me as well. I thought he missed the pitch, but that happens. Sounds like he admitted. At that point, time to move on,
I stopped doing HS baseball because I had a partner do the same thing in a game... no matter how much I tried to tell him to let it go.. he wouldn't... after the game I thought the parents were going to kill him and I kept telling him to get to his car and get out... nope he wanted to talk.. the parents had no issue with me... but he was sadly, and quite literally starting a fight with the visiting coach...one of the few games I actually wish I was doing a Solo game..
@@ronpeacock9939 We had an issue with a ref in HS soccer. He had previously picked a fight with our coach, resulting in a complaint to the state activities association. They said he wasn't supposed ref any games involving our school, and then they kept assigning him to our games. It was obvious he still had a grudge, but it was never near as bad as the first incident.
I had a saying I used to tell newer umpires: the only thing worse than blowing one call is blowing two.
Weird seeing you here considering I’ve seen your Pokémon videos lol. Had no idea you were even involved in umpiring
My go-to for this kind of situation is if you're gonna blow a call don't fix it by blowing a ruling
Or blowing the same call twice.
I have to say that this is the BIGGEST train wreck I have ever seen! The Base Umpire kept escalating things when the Plate Umpire was trying to descalate it!
And here’s the million dollar question: what was the accountability for the umps? I’m fine if the PU was just warned and give additional training. Field umpire definitely needs time off.
Plate umpire needed to eject Field umpire and umpire the rest solo - Frank Drebbin style, lol.
@@kenconnelly773 why warn PU? Blown ball/strike call?
@@fifiwoof1969 not for missing a ball/strike call. That happens every game (unfortunately). Warned for a reversal that was wrong by rule. Even if we don’t like it, everyone understands that officials in all sports miss calls. They see the play one time at high speed with one look (angle) and have to make a decision in a second. However, there is never an excuse for making a call that is wrong by rule. There always needs to be accountability for that.
@@kenconnelly773 for reversal, yeah fair enough. Didn't think of that but you're right. As we saw 2 wrongs don't make a right. Keep it at 1 wrong and things won't escalate as badly as this.
Honestly, I hate calling out fellow umpires, but BU is a great example of what not to do, ever.
Wow, terrible umpiring all around. Reversing a strike call, whether it’s right or wrong, is just unheard of. Also, approaching a coach who is minding his own business is the exact opposite of what you want to do
Really great video guys. Appreciate all the work you put into this channel
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching!
@STRONGEST NATTY IN THE WORLD. Everything they say is correct. The truth is that they are experts on rules, mechanics and game management. You aren't.
I am an HR professional who happens to umpire on the side. As much as I hate for one afternoon of work to define a career, that is what is going to happen for these two umpires--and in this case, it should. The game management was so bad that it should prevent any future promotion if either of them keeps their job following this. Making the first mistake is understandable--but the chain of errors is inexcusable.
I agree. The field umpire seemed to be the one in charge. Was he the crew chief? (Is there a crew chief at this level?) I have watched a LOT of baseball games in my life and I have never seen umpiring as bad as this. (Wait a minute; Angel Hernandez comes to mind.) The field umpire either needs to be sent back to umpiring school and put back to work at a lower level or he should be terminated .
@@hobonickel making a smartass comment about Angel doesn’t help you here.
@@bradt7451 Doesn't hurt him either though does it? Nothing he said was wrong. Angel is a terrible umpire, and so was the field ump in this game and he does deserve to be terminated, or sent back to ump school. What is your comment even supposed to mean?
@@3DGFan9000 Angel is a punching bag for people who don’t know their ass from apple butter when it comes to umpiring. Angel has had his moments but people can’t seem to move on. Fools equate every umpire misstep to Angel and really have zero credibility when it comes to the discussion. Everyone likes to blather on about Angel and Joe West because it’s the only 2 names most people know. I could name 20 or more Mlb umpires and probably 10 or more fill ins because I actually care about umpiring and appreciate how good these guys really are.
@@bradt7451 The fact that everyone knows those names proves the point. You have to be consistently and significantly bad at the job to have that sort of notoriety.
I know you said you don't want to normally bring attention to bad umpiring, but we need more train wrecks like this! You know, to learn from
And to boost popcorn sales.
I'm sure after every strike call someone on the green team was asking if the plate ump. "Are you sure. Don't you want to check with your partner?" Perception is everything and the perception of everyone at the diamond will be that these two are not sure what they are doing. The moral of the story is if you miss one, you let the baseball gods make it up later. Not you, (because make-up calls almost always backfire) the baseball gods.
This is a thing. Unless it's a clear case of not having the angle (like a swipe tag or pulled foot at first), do not go for help on judgement calls. Coaches will abuse you if you do. They will be asking you to go for help for every call that doesn't go their way. Sometimes it's better to be confidently wrong than timidly right. I always want to get the call right, but going for help in the wrong situation or too many times kills your credibility.
Wow, this was fun. I umpired 8+ years. I have called Strike Three on a strike 2 before.. opps, but never a reversed strike 3 call after conference. Wow! The plate umpire should have stuck with the strike 3 call (even though it was a bad call) and stuck with the interference in my opinion. Umpire screwed up the strike call but not the interference. The "blink" was a dumb excuse for making a bad call. He probably felt BAD and deserved to. I been there before. After the inning, he did the right and stayed away from the team that suffered his miss judgement (I was trained to do that as well) but the field umpire decided to get involved. The field umpire may have been the Sr. crew member and felt bad or something and wanted to make it right, but made it worse. Because of the field umpires actions, the teams got heated, aggressive, and the ejection was made. Umpires need to not escalate tensions like this guy did. I give some credit to the plate umpire for sucking it up, but the field umpire messed this entire game up in my opinion.
How did the field umpire, who's bringing all this on himself, get assigned a college game?
GREAT VIDEO, MY MAN!
Why is a D2 conference only using 2 man? That 3rd guy could have been a crew saver!
No shit, right?
NCAA conferences keep trying to get by with 2 man while they complain about not having 3 man.
I think Covid is a big reason. For a lot of these guys these are a part time or "seasonal" jobs. Things happen and carrers change. Lack of umpires could be a reason, sad but true.
Nah, instead of using three bad umpires just use two bad umpires.
@@seanlynskey9235 I saw a 79 year old guy that couldn't move umping a D-3 game this weekend. Had no business being anywhere near a baseball field!
Probably because (1) the PSAC is a D2 conference and (2) because said D2 conference is run by idiots.
Wow, I work D3 and we use 3 man crew. That crew had to have had games taken away!!!
You just picked up a subscriber! Great work.
Hey, thanks!
Great job team CCS. Thank you for taking the time to explain this one completely and what the right way to do this should have been.
Yes, calling out umpires is not always a good or fun thing. This video was done in an educational way It's good to see these kinds of videos so that other umpires know how NOT to act in a similar situation... especially Field Umpire's shenanigans. I have seen plenty of "professional educational film" that show negatives for training purposes. I see this video under this umbrella.
Lastly, Field Umpire needs some time away (hopefully by this point in the season, the rest of the year off) for terrible actions. Plate Umpire just needs a hey... good job for trying to keep this as calm as possible, but don't ever try to reverse an unreversible call again. I think he knew he messed up...
Good that the catcher learned from his mistake. I’m subscribed and I just rang the bell. Hope the umpire gets some training and a uniform.
Watched the video and read all the comments. Alot of negative opinions about the umpires. While I agree that U2 made things alot worse and he needs to better understand how to handle situations, U1 just missed one. Big deal. It happens. Giving U1 a little benefit of the doubt, he was probably expecting the catcher to stick it better. But the Game of Baseball and ALL of its components (including officiating) are imperfect. Mistakes will happen and as umpires, we all miss a call here and there, its part of the game, just like errors. Here's my thing: of all the comments, I didnt see anyone state what really should have occurred.... #1) the strike 3 call should have never been a discussion, let alone a reversal. Right or Wrong, U1 made his call, end of story. As umpires, we lose creditability by changing judgement calls, unless another umpire clearly had a better angle at a play in the field. But with VERY FEW exceptions, we are not changing calls on balls and strikes. #2) As one of the announcers opinionated, the batter (incorrectly) assumed it was ball 4, so he started toward 1st base and in doing so he hindered the catchers throw to 2nd. End result is Strike 3 batter is out and interference on strike 3 warrants the runner is out too. So the way the original officiating was made was correct. Setons Hills 3rd base coach asks U1 to confer his interference call with U2. As umpires we know batter interference is the plate umpires call, especially in 2-man when U2 is more than likely already turning to view the safe/out call at 2nd and probably wont see it as well as the plate ump anyway. U1 simply tells the coach, "Coach, that's my call and I have interference". Move on. Even if U1 wants to appease the Seton Hills coach and confer with U2, that conference is about 3 seconds long. "Partner, did you see the interference.... Nope, I had my back to you ready to make a call at 2nd". "Coach my partner did not have a view on it because he was watching the steal at 2nd" Whole thing goes away, start the next inning. Other than a missed (not bad) call of strike 3, this is only thing I feel U1 should have done better. Not sure how we go from a coach asking for help on the interference call, to changing the strike 3 call to ball 4 and making a common situation into the nightmare this became. These umpires are probably not as bad as the optics of this one situation. Situation mastery is always a work in process.
What’s taking so long? So how can you reverse a strike or ball call? I don’t wanna talk bad about other umpires but they really reverse a ball/strike call? They do college? I’m shocked
Right!!! I umpire little league games and I would never do anything like this
Thanks Gil great video
Very welcome
Your breakdown of these errors by the base umpire are spot on except one point. When the base umpire escorts the Head Coach back to the baseline that is Covid protocol instituted by the NCAA. Coaches aren't allowed to cross the foul line to argue and the umpires have been asked to approach the coach and have a conversation with them if its warranted from 6ft away.
I was taught that baseball umping is 99.99% judgement calls. The rest is the rule book.
When you make a judgement call, don't change it or second guess it. If you screwed up, don't change it.
The next time you take the field, do better and don't repeat any mistakes.
That field umpire is so bad that he makes Angel Hernandez look good.
Is it ever possible (within the confines of the rules) to reverse your own call nearly instantly? e.g. "Strike Three! That's interference! TIME TIME, That's ball 4, my mistake, no interference."
Yes, it can be done immediately by the calling umpire. The "Getting the Call Right" appendix refers specifically to umpires meeting in conference to determine whether or not to change a call, well after the fact (the so-called "get help" discussion).
There have been times where I've messed up calling a strike 3, and just kind of look foolish for it because it wasn't the 3rd strike. But I've never seen a situation where you'd overturn your strike call; you live with whatever it was, even if you feel in your mind "ah damn, that wasn't a strike, I shouldn't have called it that." With other rules, it's usually more acceptable to change it yourself if something happens to change it in your mind (even if the optics of it look bad). Like I've called a runner out on a quick toss to 2nd, only to find the fielder dropped the ball and never had control of it, so I quickly reverse it and call them safe. But when in doubt, better to make a call either way and then ask for help to ensure you got it right.
@@LordPichuPal Everybody who's been on the field long enough has lost track of the count at least once. I managed to avoid it until I was playing city league softball in my 40s, and headed back toward the dugout on strike 2.
@@almostfm Yeah, that kind of mistake is one where the coaches or players might laugh and you shrug it off, since it's a simple correction and usually just embarrassing. I try to make a habit of checking my count every pitch just to make sure I remember it and announce it every 2-3 pitches to remind everybody. But still looks pretty embarrassing or funny to go and ring somebody up only to realize "oh, that was strike 2"
Great lesson in learning to SLOW DOWN
The couple times a dugout was mad at me I just stayed away from them as much as possible. Like why go toward a confrontation when an umpire will always be seen as in the wrong? It doesn’t make sense
And in this case the umpire's are very wrong.
As an umpire myself, this hurts to watch seeing so many mistakes. You should never change your strike call like that for any reason, that's just inexcusable. But worse yet is that field umpire causing a huge scene about throwing a player out and going out of his way to scream at the coach and the bench. You should never be arguing with the coach still as you lead him back to the dugout, and especially should never go out of your way to meet with them under that circumstance (it's different if you're going to explain a call, like they did with the interference). I don't know how long these two have been doing games for but they don't deserve to keep working college games if that's how they're going to perform. That is just disgraceful all around.
Those who throw stones...
Totally agree with you. I wanted to stop it but couldn't bc I had to see how far the BU would go. Beyond too far is the only way I'd categorize it. And reversing a ball/strike call from the middle of the diamond???? WTF was he doing?? Not thinking, that's for sure!!
5:18 ha ha sounds like Larry David from Curb Your Enthusiasm
Great breakdown.
Thanks, Appreciate you watching!
Gil, what happens punitively to the umpire/s ? Is it just logged in their performance reviews and move on or is there a more substantial action that occurs.
At the college level, this might cause assignments to be lost, loss of post season, lack of future work... no fines or anything beyond lack of future work.
@@josephgravina9834 interesting. I suppose that’s all we can really expect. I’m not one to pile on umpires. Guys can have an impeccable record and one bad game sticks out like a sore thumb.
@@josephgravina9834 The sad part is knowing how the PSAC works (I went to a PSAC school for my undergraduate studies), they'll probably still pick up work from that league or some of the other D3 leagues in the Mid-Atlantic. Or maybe it's the cynic in me who's seen a lot of sketchy officiating across a lot of PSAC sports over the years.
These two knuckleheads should really think about a career change. And don't even get me started on the base guy. On top of a massive chip on his shoulder, he probably thinks he's one of the better umpires in his association.
Probably the crew chief.
So are they going to replay from the point of protest or just write off the entire game because of travel constraints? Also, ejections after the protest stay, right? So the shortstop and coach will still be gone?
I believe they plan on replaying the game only if it has playoff seeding implications
twitter.com/PSACsports/status/1386817365698965506?s=20
Replaying the game from the 3rd inning (the inning was over before the illegal change of judgment call), but only if necessary, as Ryan said below
Was the Interference Call "returned", or is it still overturned, after the Protest?
If the teams are to resume this game, per the protest's terms, they are to begin at the top of the 3rd inning, as if the plate umpire's original strike three + interference (double play) call was the final call.
@@CloseCallSports As I noted in my earlier comment and to also answer Kenneth's question, the game was not replayed as it had no significant impact on the final PSAC West standings.
Game being played under protest! HAY CARUMBA!!!! The last thing you want to have if you are an umpire is to have a game played under protest!!!!!!! I remember an MLB umpire (Gary Cederstrom) go into his locker room, disappear for 10 minutes to look for the correct application of a rule so that the game would NOT be played under protest....
Worse than playing under protest is having the protest upheld.
@@swoosh1428 Hopefully the same 2 umpires get to work the protested continuation game..........priceless
@@mptr1783 typically I'd agree with you but I don't really think these two should be working any games at this level for a while. This is the biggest umpiring clusterfuck I've ever seen.
you are going to cover the interference call in the brewers game today, right?
So am I to understand that an upheld protest under NCAA rules means the game is wiped out? Every rulebook I've worked under always states that if a protest is upheld the game is re-started from the point of protest.
I have seen a strike call changed to a ball before... in Little League.
Sooo, what happened with the protest? Was that the quickly said part about something not counting. Please explain.
I love these videos, just saw this even though it's two years old. I kind of can't stand that there isn't a remedy when an ump makes the wrong call and then knows immediately before the game progresses at all, I mean as bad as this was that could ruin the game on an outrageous call the other way. I understand that it says judgement calls can't be reversed but what if the ump does it himself immediately or is it once he makes the signal then it's written in stone regardless?
What actually happens when a protest is upheld? I've never actually heard of it happening. Do they replay the whole game or pick up from the point of the issue?
Picking up from the point of the issue: the inning was over due to the interference call. But the remaining 5 innings are only going to be played out if there are playoff implications (Seton Hill is flying high rn so it would only be necessary if the Lakers would benefit from it, really).
Good Lord what an absolute mess!!!!! I really don’t know how you kick one this flipping bad!!!!
I'd still like to know what the green team's player did to justify an ejection anyway. At first I thought he was ejecting the runner, although in MLB you don't get ejected for that college rules might be different. But there's no clear action from the defensive player at all. That field umpire may want to find a different line of work now.
Looks like profanity
What was the result of the game after the protest?
Pitch calls get overruled every time a base umpire calls a checked swing a strike. The initial call is "no swing," the catcher appeals, the base umpire rules it WAS a swing.
What does the protest being upheld mean? Do they have to replay the game or what?
This game was not replayed. It was a no contest.
That dugout for the next seven innings though..... one of the unspoken benefits of 3 man is the subtle art of the rodeo clown. Sometimes for players, sometimes for partners.
I wish all your posts were this long.
Wow. Interesting. What level is this? Division 3?
d2
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference.
Mercyhurst College is located in Erie. Seton Hill is about 35 SE of Pittsburgh. I am an alumnus of Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, about 20 mi. of Erie.
So which team won after protest is upheld?
Kudos to the head coach for not getting tossed….because I certainly would’ve
How long does the plate umpire have to call ball/strike? Looks like the catcher has made the throw before the umpire calls a strike.
Great video. Aye aye aye
So a game protest upheld results in a no contest? Is that correct? Has a protest in the MLB ever upheld a protest?
Pine Tar game.
This brings to mind the expression about the path to hell being paved with good intentions.
So the protest was upheld. Was the game replayed from that point? What was the result 2nd time round?
They did not replay the game because it didn’t have bearing on the final standings.
Baby Jom. Let's Go
Batter is OUT and so is the runner, if the umpire feels the catcher was hindered from making the out. Otherwise, batter is still out and all runners return to original bases. If the call was "ball four", there is no interference because batter and runner were entitled to their bases. Simple - Changing the strike to a ball can't be done and was just plain Stupidity that wouldn't have happened in a Little League game.
Loved to see these announcers work a game. Just a little league game. Errors were made but thats baseball. "Disaster" is never used when either team boots, drops a hit ball or swings at a bad pitch. LOL
I have a question I know nothing about today's LL rules last time I played was 55+ years ago why was the SS thrown out? I thought he might have thrown the runner out for some kind of taunting or something ty...Everyone stay safe and healthy
The SS was saying something that the ump thought warranted an ejection.
@@davidtsang4949 thank you
Stay brilliant PSAC... on the bright side, the field umpire probably has a chance to replace Angel Hernandez on the MLB umpire roster. Meanwhile the game was never resumed. Fortunately, it didn't have an impact on the PSAC West division standings as Seton Hill won the West (23-4 conference record) and Mercyhurst second (17-10) with California (Pa.) and Gannon with 16-12 records rounding out the top four.
If you win a game under protest by you does the game still get replayed
No. Typically the protest is withdrawn. There's nothing good that can come from not withdrawing your protest if you won the game.
What was the result of the replayed game? 🤷♂️
They did not replay the game because it did not have any bearing on the final standings.
Strike three must stand and batter interference runner advancing to second is also out. Base umpire should be in standing in right field between innings
If it was ball 4 can the runner be out on interference?
Not if he's automatically awarded 2nd base.
i tell coaches at the plate meeting: tell your batters and catchers never assume ball four or strike three. wait until you hear the definitive call and then act accordingly. also, the batter most likely knew that the steal was on, so either way, it's not in his team's best interest for him to walk in front of the catcher in the event there is a throwing play (in this case, strike three called). and even if it is called ball four, he can hesitate slightly and let the catcher throw 'cause it don't make no difference at that point. so i concur with the initial call of batter's interference. as to what happened after that.... i will defer to the expert analysis in the video.
It looked like the rule said that judgment calls SHOULD NOT be reversed not CANNOT be reversed. So technically if it's egregious enough and it doesn't create "larger problems" a judgment called including balls and strikes can be overturned.
I'm honestly still confused by the celly from BR after that double....
I know, right? I would have ejected him, lol.
Yea I pitched from little league to highschool and at age 13 I played for coaches that played pro or college. But they had the call right the first time because hitters cannot crossover the plate like that because it is called interference and the runner should have been out also
Oh, no
Does anyone know if it *was called* ball 4, there can be no interference since both BR and R1 are granted those bases?
Edit: OMG it gets so much worse.
Typically the catcher keeps track of the count so he likely does not attempt the throw. But if he did a good throw could not get the R1 out so you are correct he would not be out. Unless he did not follow the call and left second after touching it. The only time I could see a type of interference called would be if the catcher threw the ball and the interference caused an overthrow into the outfield, the umpire could call a dead ball and keep the R1 at second.
It's more a discussion on damage control.
Thier decision after reversing would have been the right call at the time.
Sucks that the rules actually prohibit the umpires from getting it right.
It was a horrendous strike 3 call and it all could have been avoided by calling ball 4. Of course the players and coaches are gonna be pissed off with it
Wait a minute! What happened in game two?! 😬
I assume it was played and the result counted. Only the first game was played under protest and nothing that happened in that game had any effect on the second, unless there's some sort of rule about a player or coach who gets ejected from a first game being ineligible for the second, but I've never heard of anything like that.
@@MrHmg55 Players ejected in a college game are subject to a one game suspension
@@JFonz052181 Immediately or after some kind of review or hearing?
@@MrHmg55 immediately
@@JFonz052181 so that means the kid who was ejected couldn't play the second game but now he's able to go again?
Con corredor en primera, 1 out, el bateador con cuenta 3 bolas y 2 strikes, el árbitro del plato decreta que el lanzamiento es el 3 strike, el bateador es el out 2, el corredor de primera salió a segunda base y el receptor tiró a segunda base para sacar al corredor, el bateador que ya es out interfiere el tiro, el árbitro del plato señal la interferencia, pero el tiro fue bueno y el árbitro de base decreta out al corredor (out 3) que intentó llegar a segunda base... concluye la entrada
Isn’t the Seton Hall nickname Pirates?
Since when is it Griffins?
Ok never mind. I never heard of SETON HILL. I thought it was Seton HALL. My mistake.
@@gphell33 You and me both.
What a fiasco, well a bad strike call given the sequence I have zero problem with original calls. Unless it is 100% obvious like umpire missed the ball being dropped or the other crew member reminding me of a rule I'm not inclined to change a call. Also the fact that judgement calls are not protestable is an umpires trump card if the play could hinge on two things one a rule and the other a judgement and umpire feels one outcome is correct they always use the judgement call. Although I'm not sure about the no reversing strike calls, every now and then you see it on foul tips, as a plate ump I never really take input but I've seen some that do, only thing a might listen to is fastpitch slapper out of the box call although even then rarely if ever.
All the replays failed to show the actual pitch. It's pretty clear the batter did not offer. However, if the plate umpire thought he did and called a check swing strike three, he can ask for help from the base umpire. Surely that would have come out in the protest. But, these guys never even explored the possibility. The umpire was pointing at the batter immediately. It's possible - not probable - he called a check swing strike three. A reversal of that call would have been allowable. Not a great handling, for sure.
You can’t ask for help if you call it a strike on the swing/offer. Once it’s a strike it’s a strike. If you call it a ball and then ask for help it can be changed to a strike based on what the field ump saw.
The plate umpire shouldn't have gone for help. He missed the pitch... so what! He made the right call based on the fact the pitch was called a strike. Make the call enforce the rule and turn the page. There is absolutely no reason to get help. Man up and handle the argument and eject someone if they won't let it go but don't go for help in that situation. It is a bad idea to help for anything that isn't absolutely positively obvious and a situation you can ask for help by rule. The whole getting the call right thing has gone off the rails all the way in the opposite direction. I was umpiring Division I baseball when all of that crap started and needless to say this is what you end up with over the years. This is far worse than someone just sticking with their call all the time. Maybe both of these umpires will get fired and they will hire a young up and coming guy with a pro baseball background, this wouldn't have happened if you have qualified umpires on the field in the first place.
Was this Div III? This is why you do not put out high school varsity umpires barely out of training on a Div III game. On a two man system, someone out there should have said NO, we CANNOT do this! Eat the call.
It was a Division II game in the PSAC.
@@CloseCallSports oh God, I worked for that umpire group from 2007-13. That was their prime account and always threatened to leave.
@@davej3781 I've never seen a conference that led to a reversed ball/strike call at ANY level of baseball. I really don't understand how tf this happened.
If you make a call, dont change it. be better next time
I'd tell every umpire "When it happens, just always remember I'll be voting for the machines."
Why in the world was the fielder tossed? Why in the world was the guy dancing at second base NOT tossed?
That's what I was thinking, lol.
Huh. OBR says "The first requisite is to get decisions correctly." "Umpire dignity is important but never as important as 'being right.'" (Rule 8.00 General Instructions) I guess NCAA has a different mindset.
Holy shit - what a clusterfuck!
And to think, if something like this happened in a MLB game, the wronged team would have no recompense. Major league games can no longer be played under protest.
So they were wrong by getting it right?
You are missing the point. The point was, a demonstration of very poor and ignorant game managemnent!!!
They got the call right by breaking the rules which is why the protest was upheld and the game will resume in the third inning. Sometimes you have to just move along with an incorrect call admit you were wrong and get back to work.
There’s nothing the umpires did that a reasonable person would call “right.”
That was a horrible strike 3 call though..much worse than the interference call if it was actually a strike
Why do "announcers" feel they have to continuously talk and make stupid suppositions/deductions without knowing the rules.
These 2 overthought the whole thing. Both should have shown their butts to the field for the team switch interval.
Dam I love baseball.
A little holier than thou aren't we.
You know if this was MLB, the Head Coach (or Manager) would've been gone after the first conversation.
If HPU claims he made an inadvertent strike call and that he had it as a 'ball" intended on calling it a "ball" but brain farted the mechanics, is that acceptable to change the call? To be clear, not changing his mind on the ball/strike, just fixing the mechanical mistake.
I can't go through all the comments, so if someone else has brought this up I apologize.
So what happens when a game is protest?
In this game the protest was upheld, but the game was never made up
If the umpires didn't get a hefty
This was painful to watch
Well, If the pitch is a strike, the INT is easy.. the bad part.. if that was in the strike zone that ump is an ostrich. it wasn't even close.. but, the rules are the rules, so if the plate umpire calls it a strike.. it's a strike.. that's final... meaning the INT is automatic.
is it legal for you to be using the intro to a tv show about air crashes and other disasters? Are you calling a bad call in a baseball GAME the equivalent of a fatal airplane crash? I think you could have used a less insensitive intro.
note that the first baseman is standing out of bounds, not allowed
Not true. He only needs one foot in fair territory and that is only when the umpire puts the ball in play.
And what happens to the umpires? Absolutely nothing
Bit of a clusterfuck!