330 watts isn't all that much. A typical burner on an electric stove is about 1,200-3,000 watts (depending on burner size and heat settings) and a typical electric oven is 2,000 to 5,000 watts (depending on heat setting).
It's still a pretty high power draw for a TV. The best thing to happen to TV's is getting transistorized. Which reminds me, a big thing that's gonna rack up costs is replacing tubes on this thing.
This outta be interesting.. I usually only run my vintage tube sets during peak hours to keep my heart rate elevated when the bill comes. Like playing the clot shot lottery..
We had an early 70's 25" Zenith that I got originally for parts It had been in a flood. The cabinet was still full of mud, so I took it out and flushed it with a garden hose. After it dried out, on a lark I decided to try running it. It came on with a good picture. After I refinished the genuine wood cabinet, we used it for 15 years. I got pretty good at adjusting convergence. One time it lost horizontal drive and a section of the horizontal output tube envelope actually sucked in.
Thanks! - The color is fantastic! The temps don't surprise me for a tube set. David Sedaris said his family's tv ran "so hot you needed an oven mitt to change the channel".Their TV was from the era of this one too. My 1969 RCA CTC-40 solid state (not new-old-stock but very low hour and cared for) and it runs AMAZINGLY cool and NO RECAP. Thanks Shango066!
It's all an unnecessary self inflicted issue. Maybe if that states government did weaken their electrical grid by replacing all the original power sources, with unperfected solar and wind energy. then maybe they would be having all those power outages.
I really enjoyed running across this video. Your dry humor is just as good as the wise guys on Mystery Science Theatre. Allowing for the limitations of the phone camera, the TV has remarkable picture and sound quality. I'm also baffled by the placement of the volume knob behind a panel; that's only the control that's most often used, next to the channel selector? Back in my college days, I got a hand-me-down RCA color set from about 1961-62 or so, that a family member had refurbished. I can clearly remember the vibrant colors from its round CRT screen. I'm into old cars more than old electronics, but this was as much fun as finding that elusive "barn-find" Chevy with 1,000 miles on it.
Going to enjoy watching this set’s progress.can’t fault your razor sharp whit,Shango.makes for great videos and a great channel.all the best from the Uk👍
You're one of the very few content creators that hold my full attention for hour plus chunks of time. About pointing: When the finger points at something I didn't see, it's welcome. Please don't change you filming techniques for anything. The dry wit, insight and sarcasm are extremely well received in my neck of the woods. One other uplifting point about your content i that it reminds me and my wife that when we completely cut the cable cord in 2011, we made a life-changing decision.
Honestly, this is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in this vein of vintage electronics vlog I've heard of. I'll figure out my entertainment budget and see what I can toss your way to keep the costs down.
Very cool, I restored a Packard Bell CQ-956 and installed a NOS 23vcmp22. I added a hours meter to answer the same questions,. It has the 98C19 chassis which is almost the same but has AFT. I will stay tuned, thanks for the great videos.
Always enjoy your candor and technical skills and expertise. Love the vintage electronics and the good old school discrete components that can be seen in action.
This is such a great idea, I greatly look forward to the series and how this set plays out and what issues come up for a NOS set after sitting so long. Sounds very interesting!
Thanks for all the adventures in restoring old TVs. Some I didn't think would work again but you did it! Please use to offset power cost for the NOS series.
Fender used those blue ajax type caps throughout the '60s in all their amps. They very rarely go bad and fetch a good buck today. Highly regarded in the guitar world . First time I've seen them in anything other than Fender amps.
Thanks for all you do Shango, heres a little bit of $ to contribute to the cause. I always look forward to your next upload, really enjoy your sense of humor:) Hello from Alaska!!
The cost of the electrical grid is but one reason I left Commiefornia last November. Our power meter was charging about 30% more than we actually used. I complained to So Cal Edison, and they said, no it is correct. When we were looking out of state for property, we left the house for over 2 billing cycles so I had a constant load that was easily calculated and the meter was plus 30% yet So Cal Edison said no it is correct. We had a $1600 bill for one month of service one hot summer. They over charged us for more than 15 years from the time they installed the "new electronic" meter. You need to get the heck out of that state.
Very nice tee-vee! The wood cabinet is so clean that you could eat off. But mannnn! Those crazy prices, $539.95 in 1968 is worth $4,596.96 bucks in 2022. You had to be wealthy to have one of those colored tee-vees back then.
Another great video. Thank you. On the power usage thing. They do that here in Australia. To the point most households sit in darkness to save power between 5 and 9pm. And in the hotter states and territories we use air conditioners carefully. You go to shopping centres or cinemas to cool off. It’s really expensive for power and water.
you have such a great videographer (no-spell prize material) knack. the shots of here here heere ..and that and this board or kitty. That's the best part youre Kubrick behind the camera.
About 15 cents per kWh here, all the time. A comparable Heathkit set with a 25XP22 tube was $469.95 in the 1967 catalog. I happened to glance at the parts list this morning. A replacement CRT was $189 back then. Seems like the $535 sale price on this PB really was a deal. Would love to find a good CRT for the old Heathkit.
What a nice time capsule set. I think this is a great idea, set it up with hour meter and let it play, like normal use, and see what the TBF (time between failure) is. This will be an interesting series I believe!
@Andrew_Koala,I Dream of Jeannie always frustrated the heck out me. Here Major Nelson had this incredibly sexy genie who was madly in love with him and constantly wanted to shower him in gifts,cars,riches,anything his heart desired and he would keep rejecting her! I agree with Dr Bellows,he needed his head examined
45:00 Yes! It answers that question for me. I'm now absolutely convinced they worked great when they were new. So we need to do a great job fixing them up.
As the news report showed it’s been in the triple digits lately. I’m sure the ambient outdoor temperature is having some effect on the operating temperature of the components. When the set is inside an air conditioned home and the weather mellows out perhaps the temperature of the components in the set will too. It would be interesting to see Shango take temp readings with the Flir once’s it’s inside it’s new home.
What a superb picture for a television set from the late 60's. I would imagine if you were one of the few to have owned one of these sets back in the day, you would be considered very lucky. I definitely wouldn't have a problem watching any present day programming on this set in 2022, although the picture from this set would totally be 100 times the quality than current day programming that I would be watching on it...lol 😆
Interesting find Shango066. In the mid 1970's when I worked as a Tech in TV shops, we used to call the Packard Bell "Pack of Hell". They were a slightly modified RCA design, with this particular one most resembling the RCA CTC-38. They were advertised to be higher quality than the RCA but, we didn't see much difference in the component quality or reliability. If you can find old service history records on this set, that would be more meaningful than running your own reliability test. Since the set has been sitting unused for 55 years, all sorts of mystery problems tend to show up over the next year when brought back to life. Even though the set has not been operated, the electrolytics still dry out but obviously, at a reduced rate since they are not being baked by all that tube heat. Yes, I know the ESR looks good but, that just tells you there is still some internal electrolyte left in the can. I think paper caps were finally phased out in TVs by about 1963, being replaced by plastic films. The plastic film caps do have a problem with the film absorbing water over time, especially with the low cost "wrap & fill" style. The better caps are epoxy dipped but, moisture will propagate through the epoxy after many years, since all plastics are hydroscopic (more or less depending upon the plastic used). That is a Really Good CRT, to have that kind of emission after all these years. I have seen unused ones go bad sitting in storage. That hot flyback is caused by a bad horizontal output tube. The Japanese tubes were very poor quality at that time. If run 24/7 in your life test, the flyback will probably die within a week's time. With all that tube heat the, the fuse will blow at a lower amperage. Normally, you fuse something at twice the typical operating current. Yes, those color tube sets typically pull 300 - 400 watts so, in addition to the load current, the air conditioning will need to run more to remove that heat from the room. In servicing TVs, I found that CRT life had a lot to do with the room it was placed in. If placed in a room with a lot of windows, often times the customer would want to keep all the curtains open during the day while watching the TV so, brightness was always at max. The second CRT killer customer type liked to simultaneously run maximum brightness, high contrast, and high color intensity.
We dont run the AC, its usually only hot a week out of the year here. We will see what fails, I will fix it thats the objective. Like those guys that find a car in a barn and try and drive it 2000 miles.
Wow, wow, wow! Great project but the most amazing thing for me is the electricity price... I am still running a 650W 55" Plasma TV with 2 fans and I love it especially in the winter :) It's called "the fireplace". Here in Bulgaria we believe 12 cents per kilowatt hour are a really high price, and during the night it's even less...
Another non TV use for 6LQ6/6JE6 tubes was in McIntosh MC3500 amps-used 6 of them to give 350W RMS.Hi-Fi and sound reinforcement used those amps.Command a very high price today-they were made about when that TV was built.
This is museum quality, may be less than 100 hours as a floor demo since the original price tag that sold for MFRP $535.00 in 1968 that equivalent to over than $7,000.00 under our current gold standard at that time was about $40.00 troy oz.
Gold was 35/oz from 1932 to 1971, at least as far as money goes. Plus, after 1932, money was no longer redeemable in gold, only silver. Also, you really have to take inflation calculators or even gold conversion rates with a grain of salt. Gold was MASSIVELY under-priced before the Nixon default which came after 2 revaluations. The US went on a massive spending spree in the 40s and never rolled it back. 46 and 47 saw fairly large reductions in government spending, but it quickly reached ww2 level spending very quickly. We have been a war footing for 80 years. Plus, the 60s was particularly bad for this. The last time the national debt had a year over year decrease was in the very early 60s. But you had the war on poverty, Vietnam, the moon mission. Plus all the chaos of the 60s and all of it cost a fortune and the government paid with printed money. That's one of the reasons gold was so underpriced. The under-price is specifically why Nixon defaulted.
@@gordonwelcher9598 My family had a color TV for as long as I can remember and that maybe goes back to 73. Very similar to this one. (like a 25" console) and we were by no means rich.
I did this in the 90s. I was working for Cable TV and one customer had a spare Bush TV from about 1979. After i set up his new TV he let me take the old one, Which worked. So I put it into service at home about 1996. When the tube began to weaken I shorted out the resistor on the tube base and again got a good picture, That was all I had to do to it in about 15 years.... The family objected because the screen did not show the score at the top om Sports Games! So I changed it in 2002 for an LG which also did not show this but nobody objected! Hmm..... And yes the set still works to this day! Maybe yours will be the same!
TBH if it’s a Bush from 1979 that’s still working, that must have been the one before the T20 and T22 chassis which came out that year and there would be *NO* chance that the LOPT (flyback) would last that long. My grandad was installing those brand new and the LOPTs regularly (bordering on routinely) failed while he was still setting it up in the customer’s home! The Rank/Bush/Murphy group had been circling the toilet for some years by then (the absolute apex being the A774 black-and-white chassis made from about 1972 to 75/76, 8 out of 10 would be faulty out of the box, LOPTs would catch fire, CRTs on average lasted no more than 6 months, just utter, utter shite!). Line OuPut Transformers had never been RBM’s strong point (though the one used in the A823 and Z718 solid state colour sets of 1970-1978 had *rock solid* reliability, we’re talking Thorn Jellypot levels of ultra reliability here!) as they often used LOPTs made by Plessey but the failure rate of the LOPTs in the T20 and T22 just put the top hat on it. When installing one, my grandad always had a spare TV of the same model (the T20 and T22 was shared between several RBM models) on the van ready to go but he would try and finish off the install and set off in his van before the LOPT failed! Toshiba’s takeover of Bush around 1980/81 sorted them out! No more using crappy Plessey LOPTs, they used what Toshiba supplied them and asked them to put together to build a set!)
Back for a re-watch after the August '23 vids. 5:08 "ooh! Here's the original punch card" ooh, indeed. Those were such a part of our lives for a while back then, _'the document of the future!'_
Just a friendly reminder that Inflation is a real thing 539.95$ in 1968. Would be equal to over 4620$ in todays money. Kinda makes that budget TCL/Roku TV even more attractive now.
00:43:20 You have a different Jeep commercial out there. Here in Utah is depicted a random charging station in the desert on a sand dune, and drivers waving right of way to fellow Jeepists like there on a parade float. (there are areas of the state where simply buying gas would be a 100+ mile drive, without leaving the interstate highway)
I used to live in Southern California. Where I live now electricity is a straight $.08 /Kwh. That TV would not cost that much to operate here. The TV and your planned testing is really cool.
I got a Commodore 1702 monitor, a few weeks back. Almost all of them have a missing front door, just like mine, because the volume pot is hidden under the door. My first question was also, why?
Maybe the leads on the cathode current meter are affecting the circuit or making a bad connection. Try measuring the voltage across a 1 ohm resistor in the fuse holder instead. You can solder it to a blown fuse.
11:00 - when TVs have been unused for that long, the cathode in the CRT goes back into a catatonic state and needs to be left to re-activate. It’s a repeat performance of the activation stage when the CRT itself was in the factory.
I'll bet when that color TV set first arrived at the showroom, it was emitting fresh images including Soviet tanks of the Prague Spring. As I remember, those were some pretty *scary* times.
In 1968, the color T.V. is consider status symbol of rich, not ordinarily citizen can effort it! I 1st saw a picture of Soviet Tank of Praque only in Black and White! Even that was originally film by B/W movie camera. The film has to be process at Major Net Work Dark Room then rolls into films reels cut and patch for final edition, then loaded in to aluminum container then send it to the airport and flew to its final designation and put it into movie screen and then added the sound track them put it to public TV. under seven O' Clock CBS news or major network!
My uncle had the first color TV in the family. He used his employee discount to buy a Zenith console that lasted well into the late 70s. It was expensive, but he did like his nice stuff.
@@johnmadow5331 In those days, this was true. If you had a color TV, you was basically king of the block. The footage of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was exclusively in black and white, like pretty much all other news footage back then. Networks would notify their audiences ahead of time that the following program was _"in living color"_ (NBC).
@@BPJJohn A little off-topic in this thread perhaps, but the killing must stop and the Russian forces need to go back home to their families and communities.
I had a 1980 RCA color trak monitor 25" crt on from 7 am to midnight for 25 years and it was still playing fine when I put it on the curb (thankfully someone picked it up before garbage men)
First time I almost fell out of my chair watching a Shango video. 90 cents kwh?!? California has gone completely lunatic fringe. I thought our electricity was pricey, along with everything else in the land of population extortion and misery, Illinois. But at a combined power supply and distribution charge of 15 cents (Summer, August 2022) I cannot complain. At least about that. Apparently windmills and solar panels are not cost effective, even in sunny Cali. Then with all the electric cars they are mandating, competition for electricity will make it even worse. Old people cannot afford to keep their air conditioning running and will cook to death in the heat.
Newsom is mandating for California to be electric-only car sales in ten years, and a few days ago tells Californians not to charge their cars because their isn't enough electricity in the state! You cannot make this stuff up!
They are getting to us lol. I never did even think of how much juice my toys took until the last few years. I live in Kentucky and I ensure you we have enough of the black rock to have free electric for everyone for generations to come.
You may want to think about adding composite video and audio input lacks? You could just mount a bracket with the jacks and switch on an existing chassis screw as make the mod reversible. BTW, on the power consumption, I just noted the other day that a new model 65in Panasonic OLED takes 300 watts!
This is a very unique experiment that you came up with. I will be following up with every video. Can I offer some input,??? Measure all the major power resisters for the DC, cold ohm resistance, measure all the electrolytic capacitors ESR, and other major components for resistance at the start of this project. Document all of it, Then at the end of this experiment do the same thing then compare notes, see what changed in value due to the high hours put on this TV during this experiment. We all can learn from this, just a suggestion, by the way, fantastic picture this has.
Depending on the place this TV will live, it could last quite a long time if it's not hot or humid. Back in the early 70's, my family went on vacation for a week in July and the A/C was off in the house (in Illinois). When we got back, it was hot an humid in the house. Turned on the TV (1968 RCA 19 inch) and the flyback blew up in a stinky cloud of electric mayhem. Can't remember what all was replaced over the years we used it as main TV, but about every two years, something was fixed, usually just a tube, though I think the UHF tuner died at some point and was changed. This TV was used heavily 6-8 hours a day from 1968 to 1981 and then semi-retired. The replacement Zenith solid state 19 inch portable only lasted a few years. Replaced that with a RCA 26 inch console that only lasted about ten years. I think 60's vintage seemed to be the best built.
Vintage RCA, especially before they went all PC board hybrids, was top drawer BW or color television. They dived deeply into most/all PC board chassis during the Hybrid era. Long tube burning, 6 or 8 or nine bulbs plus massive CRT ... that color TV hybrid era was the start of end for RCA as leadership in consumer electronics. Shortly into solid state era they became a brand. Today the moniker is meaningless in that what is in the box might be from anywhere and made by anyone.
@@d.c.hammond130 Yep, our '68 RCA had PC boards, no hybrid. Lucky the heat didn't cook the boards or wreck the tube sockets per usual. This was our first color TV. Cost LOT$. It replaced a dead 1952 Sylvania B&W console that couldn't be fixed any more.
Maybe because that flyback is circling the drain, you could do this same experiment with one of those new old stock Sylvanias if you have any left. I remember as a child what beautiful pictures those Sylvanias used to have. Also, a smaller table model might use less wattage?
I also love the irony of watching the conserve energy segment on a television that is consuming 330 W
330 watts isn't all that much. A typical burner on an electric stove is about 1,200-3,000 watts (depending on burner size and heat settings) and a typical electric oven is 2,000 to 5,000 watts (depending on heat setting).
It's still a pretty high power draw for a TV. The best thing to happen to TV's is getting transistorized. Which reminds me, a big thing that's gonna rack up costs is replacing tubes on this thing.
Your sarcasm is legendary, your repair skills incredible!
If this was new in '68, the benchmark will be if it lasts long enough to watch Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech.
Or even the abominations that replaced him.
Or news coverage on the Vietnam War which was started by Democrats
The dude was a crook, but NOT because 'MUH Watergate'...
@@TapesNstuffS Like Carter, Clinton, Obummer, and Brandon?
@@Ichijoe2112 Indeed
Back in the good old days of the USA. Packard Bell built that plant in 1953 in CA, now it is some gaming building. Nothing ever gets better
Certainly not in California.
@Robin Sattahip,You can say that again!
@@Suddenlyits1960 The only thing that has gotten better is pron
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing the progression of this experiment.
This outta be interesting.. I usually only run my vintage tube sets during peak hours to keep my heart rate elevated when the bill comes. Like playing the clot shot lottery..
I no play that game...
Ought to
We had an early 70's 25" Zenith that I got originally for parts It had been in a flood. The cabinet was still full of mud, so I took it out and flushed it with a garden hose. After it dried out, on a lark I decided to try running it. It came on with a good picture. After I refinished the genuine wood cabinet, we used it for 15 years. I got pretty good at adjusting convergence. One time it lost horizontal drive and a section of the horizontal output tube envelope actually sucked in.
Was it made on America?
I think the controls behind the door was to discourage 2-3 yr old children from controlling the tv.
As a child of the sixty's/seventy's these videos bring back so many memories.
Thanks! - The color is fantastic! The temps don't surprise me for a tube set. David Sedaris said his family's tv ran "so hot you needed an oven mitt to change the channel".Their TV was from the era of this one too. My 1969 RCA CTC-40 solid state (not new-old-stock but very low hour and cared for) and it runs AMAZINGLY cool and NO RECAP. Thanks Shango066!
Go all electric! But then we tell you when and when not to use your power to conserve the grid, as if people couldn't see it coming.
It's all an unnecessary self inflicted issue. Maybe if that states government did weaken their electrical grid by replacing all the original power sources, with unperfected solar and wind energy. then maybe they would be having all those power outages.
I really enjoyed running across this video. Your dry humor is just as good as the wise guys on Mystery Science Theatre. Allowing for the limitations of the phone camera, the TV has remarkable picture and sound quality. I'm also baffled by the placement of the volume knob behind a panel; that's only the control that's most often used, next to the channel selector? Back in my college days, I got a hand-me-down RCA color set from about 1961-62 or so, that a family member had refurbished. I can clearly remember the vibrant colors from its round CRT screen. I'm into old cars more than old electronics, but this was as much fun as finding that elusive "barn-find" Chevy with 1,000 miles on it.
I look forward to the Saturday videos from Shango just like cartoons when I was a kid in the 70's. Saturday is Shango day.
Going to enjoy watching this set’s progress.can’t fault your razor sharp whit,Shango.makes for great videos and a great channel.all the best from the Uk👍
You're one of the very few content creators that hold my full attention for hour plus chunks of time. About pointing: When the finger points at something I didn't see, it's welcome. Please don't change you filming techniques for anything. The dry wit, insight and sarcasm are extremely well received in my neck of the woods. One other uplifting point about your content i that it reminds me and my wife that when we completely cut the cable cord in 2011, we made a life-changing decision.
Honestly, this is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in this vein of vintage electronics vlog I've heard of. I'll figure out my entertainment budget and see what I can toss your way to keep the costs down.
Very cool, I restored a Packard Bell CQ-956 and installed a NOS 23vcmp22. I added a hours meter to answer the same questions,. It has the 98C19 chassis which is almost the same but has AFT. I will stay tuned, thanks for the great videos.
Always enjoy your candor and technical skills and expertise. Love the vintage electronics and the good old school discrete components that can be seen in action.
My dad used to work at Teledyne as a TV repair man before he became an engineer , these TV's bring back fond memories.
Best of luck with your new project! Looking forward to seeing how the NOS Packard Bell holds out!
I watch Shango's channel on my old B/W CRT on purpose. Love you man, and thank you - you educationalate me so much.
This will be an interesting series to follow and monitor how reliable this set actually runs and performs.Happy to donate a few bucks along the way.
This is such a great idea, I greatly look forward to the series and how this set plays out and what issues come up for a NOS set after sitting so long. Sounds very interesting!
Basic set with a series and expert analysis. Will watch, learn, enjoy, fall asleep, and wake up to this video series. Because it's great.
That is a piece of nostalgia, for a TV set. Imagine what was watched on a TV like that, during that time period. Cheers! ✌️
It would have been amazing if you were upgrading from black and white. I bet the kids were excited to see their looney toons in glorious technicolor
Thank you for your videos. I have Parkinson's and am confined to bed a lot so I look forward to watching you on Saturdays.
I'm in. I really enjoy real-world tests like this! Thanks much!
I can't wait to follow the life of this set. Thanks, Shango!
This is a fantastic idea for a series! Color is nice on that set. Best CZcams channel hands down.
Thanks for all the adventures in restoring old TVs. Some I didn't think would work again but you did it! Please use to offset power cost for the NOS series.
What's the "10$" sign mean?
@@boazrefaely1205 He donated that to the channel.
Fender used those blue ajax type caps throughout the '60s in all their amps. They very rarely go bad and fetch a good buck today. Highly regarded in the guitar world . First time I've seen them in anything other than Fender amps.
Ajax caps. I don't even bother testing them anymore as they are never bad.
arent those made by mallory?
@@EdgarsLS @14:03 Yes, those shiny blue caps were made by Mallory.
Yes never saw them in anything else than Fender.
Thanks for all you do Shango, heres a little bit of $ to contribute to the cause.
I always look forward to your next upload, really enjoy your sense of humor:)
Hello from Alaska!!
The cost of the electrical grid is but one reason I left Commiefornia last November. Our power meter was charging about 30% more than we actually used. I complained to So Cal Edison, and they said, no it is correct. When we were looking out of state for property, we left the house for over 2 billing cycles so I had a constant load that was easily calculated and the meter was plus 30% yet So Cal Edison said no it is correct. We had a $1600 bill for one month of service one hot summer. They over charged us for more than 15 years from the time they installed the "new electronic" meter. You need to get the heck out of that state.
Very nice tee-vee! The wood cabinet is so clean that you could eat off. But mannnn! Those crazy prices, $539.95 in 1968 is worth $4,596.96 bucks in 2022. You had to be wealthy to have one of those colored tee-vees back then.
I love the idea of this experiment. Can't wait to see what kind of longevity an NOS set can get, at least for this one example.
lol love it when you had the exercise commercial on and you started to mock it lol i was laughing my ass off keep the great vids up!!
Very nice set looking forward to future up to date videos shangos videos are always top notch and very informative
This set is amazing I would love it. Look forward to see how it performs.
Great picture on that T.V. I'm looking forward to this experiment.
Gorgeous looking old set.
That halo around the screen was pretty normal in my neighborhood
Thank you for doing honest good work and helping people learn
Another great video. Thank you. On the power usage thing. They do that here in Australia. To the point most households sit in darkness to save power between 5 and 9pm. And in the hotter states and territories we use air conditioners carefully. You go to shopping centres or cinemas to cool off. It’s really expensive for power and water.
Thanks! Interesting idea! Can’t wait to watch the progress.
Over an hour of shango knowledge. Awesome.
you have such a great videographer (no-spell prize material) knack. the shots of here here heere ..and that and this board or kitty. That's the best part youre Kubrick behind the camera.
It's so cool to find NOS stuff like this.
I had no idea Packard Bell made TV's. I can't wait to see it run.
Thanks! I always look forward to your videos.
About 15 cents per kWh here, all the time.
A comparable Heathkit set with a 25XP22 tube was $469.95 in the 1967 catalog. I happened to glance at the parts list this morning. A replacement CRT was $189 back then. Seems like the $535 sale price on this PB really was a deal.
Would love to find a good CRT for the old Heathkit.
I know all the old tube nubers show. Brings back memories.
What a nice time capsule set. I think this is a great idea, set it up with hour meter and let it play, like normal use, and see what the TBF (time between failure) is. This will be an interesting series I believe!
The good old days, 8 mpg and a 340 watt I Dream of Jeanie.
Watching Barbara Eden then was an expensive hobby -
Add to that Morticia Adams - and Shirley Jones (Partridge Family)
was enough to keep anyone awake.
@Andrew_Koala,I Dream of Jeannie always frustrated the heck out me.
Here Major Nelson had this incredibly sexy genie who was madly in love with him and constantly wanted to shower him in gifts,cars,riches,anything his heart desired and he would keep rejecting her! I agree with Dr Bellows,he needed his head examined
@@andrew_koala2974 It was fun watching Marshall Matt Dillon kill another psychopath every week. (Gunsmoke).
Thanks looking forward to the journey :-)
I must not be the only one interested in watching old TVs.
I was installing cable TV in the early 70s and I like to see some of the old sets I encountered
45:00 Yes! It answers that question for me. I'm now absolutely convinced they worked great when they were new. So we need to do a great job fixing them up.
As the news report showed it’s been in the triple digits lately. I’m sure the ambient outdoor temperature is having some effect on the operating temperature of the components. When the set is inside an air conditioned home and the weather mellows out perhaps the temperature of the components in the set will too. It would be interesting to see Shango take temp readings with the Flir once’s it’s inside it’s new home.
True. Ambient over 90 degrees, there's no cooling.
What a superb picture for a television set from the late 60's. I would imagine if you were one of the few to have owned one of these sets back in the day, you would be considered very lucky. I definitely wouldn't have a problem watching any present day programming on this set in 2022, although the picture from this set would totally be 100 times the quality than current day programming that I would be watching on it...lol 😆
Interesting find Shango066. In the mid 1970's when I worked as a Tech in TV shops, we used to call the Packard Bell "Pack of Hell". They were a slightly modified RCA design, with this particular one most resembling the RCA CTC-38. They were advertised to be higher quality than the RCA but, we didn't see much difference in the component quality or reliability.
If you can find old service history records on this set, that would be more meaningful than running your own reliability test. Since the set has been sitting unused for 55 years, all sorts of mystery problems tend to show up over the next year when brought back to life. Even though the set has not been operated, the electrolytics still dry out but obviously, at a reduced rate since they are not being baked by all that tube heat. Yes, I know the ESR looks good but, that just tells you there is still some internal electrolyte left in the can.
I think paper caps were finally phased out in TVs by about 1963, being replaced by plastic films. The plastic film caps do have a problem with the film absorbing water over time, especially with the low cost "wrap & fill" style. The better caps are epoxy dipped but, moisture will propagate through the epoxy after many years, since all plastics are hydroscopic (more or less depending upon the plastic used).
That is a Really Good CRT, to have that kind of emission after all these years. I have seen unused ones go bad sitting in storage.
That hot flyback is caused by a bad horizontal output tube. The Japanese tubes were very poor quality at that time. If run 24/7 in your life test, the flyback will probably die within a week's time.
With all that tube heat the, the fuse will blow at a lower amperage. Normally, you fuse something at twice the typical operating current.
Yes, those color tube sets typically pull 300 - 400 watts so, in addition to the load current, the air conditioning will need to run more to remove that heat from the room.
In servicing TVs, I found that CRT life had a lot to do with the room it was placed in. If placed in a room with a lot of windows, often times the customer would want to keep all the curtains open during the day while watching the TV so, brightness was always at max. The second CRT killer customer type liked to simultaneously run maximum brightness, high contrast, and high color intensity.
We dont run the AC, its usually only hot a week out of the year here. We will see what fails, I will fix it thats the objective. Like those guys that find a car in a barn and try and drive it 2000 miles.
@@shango066 I'm sure it will be an eye opener!
That would cost about a dollar a day to run in SE PA. Look forward to watching your experiment unfold.
Good idea. Look forward to this series of videos.
Wow, wow, wow! Great project but the most amazing thing for me is the electricity price... I am still running a 650W 55" Plasma TV with 2 fans and I love it especially in the winter :) It's called "the fireplace". Here in Bulgaria we believe 12 cents per kilowatt hour are a really high price, and during the night it's even less...
Another non TV use for 6LQ6/6JE6 tubes was in McIntosh MC3500 amps-used 6 of them to give 350W RMS.Hi-Fi and sound reinforcement used those amps.Command a very high price today-they were made about when that TV was built.
Those blue molded caps are made by Mallory, they're polyester/mylar caps and are relatively reliable.
This is museum quality, may be less than 100 hours as a floor demo since the original price tag that sold for MFRP $535.00 in 1968 that equivalent to over than $7,000.00 under our current gold standard at that time was about $40.00 troy oz.
Gold was 35/oz from 1932 to 1971, at least as far as money goes. Plus, after 1932, money was no longer redeemable in gold, only silver.
Also, you really have to take inflation calculators or even gold conversion rates with a grain of salt. Gold was MASSIVELY under-priced before the Nixon default which came after 2 revaluations. The US went on a massive spending spree in the 40s and never rolled it back. 46 and 47 saw fairly large reductions in government spending, but it quickly reached ww2 level spending very quickly. We have been a war footing for 80 years.
Plus, the 60s was particularly bad for this. The last time the national debt had a year over year decrease was in the very early 60s. But you had the war on poverty, Vietnam, the moon mission. Plus all the chaos of the 60s and all of it cost a fortune and the government paid with printed money. That's one of the reasons gold was so underpriced. The under-price is specifically why Nixon defaulted.
O Lord, won't you buy me a color tv?
@@gordonwelcher9598 My parents can not even effort even a used one in NTSC in 1968! The PAL-AM colour TV cost about $1.8k in Thailand back then.
@@johnmadow5331 Color TV was a real luxury back then. My family got a color TV in 1974. What I wrote are words to a song.
@@gordonwelcher9598 My family had a color TV for as long as I can remember and that maybe goes back to 73. Very similar to this one. (like a 25" console) and we were by no means rich.
I did this in the 90s. I was working for Cable TV and one customer had a spare Bush TV from about 1979. After i set up his new TV he let me take the old one, Which worked. So I put it into service at home about 1996. When the tube began to weaken I shorted out the resistor on the tube base and again got a good picture, That was all I had to do to it in about 15 years.... The family objected because the screen did not show the score at the top om Sports Games! So I changed it in 2002 for an LG which also did not show this but nobody objected! Hmm..... And yes the set still works to this day! Maybe yours will be the same!
But TV from 1979 was solid state, not tube one.
TBH if it’s a Bush from 1979 that’s still working, that must have been the one before the T20 and T22 chassis which came out that year and there would be *NO* chance that the LOPT (flyback) would last that long.
My grandad was installing those brand new and the LOPTs regularly (bordering on routinely) failed while he was still setting it up in the customer’s home!
The Rank/Bush/Murphy group had been circling the toilet for some years by then (the absolute apex being the A774 black-and-white chassis made from about 1972 to 75/76, 8 out of 10 would be faulty out of the box, LOPTs would catch fire, CRTs on average lasted no more than 6 months, just utter, utter shite!). Line OuPut Transformers had never been RBM’s strong point (though the one used in the A823 and Z718 solid state colour sets of 1970-1978 had *rock solid* reliability, we’re talking Thorn Jellypot levels of ultra reliability here!) as they often used LOPTs made by Plessey but the failure rate of the LOPTs in the T20 and T22 just put the top hat on it. When installing one, my grandad always had a spare TV of the same model (the T20 and T22 was shared between several RBM models) on the van ready to go but he would try and finish off the install and set off in his van before the LOPT failed!
Toshiba’s takeover of Bush around 1980/81 sorted them out! No more using crappy Plessey LOPTs, they used what Toshiba supplied them and asked them to put together to build a set!)
That old fluke 27/FM Must be the most used DMM in history lol
Back for a re-watch after the August '23 vids.
5:08 "ooh! Here's the original punch card" ooh, indeed. Those were such a part of our lives for a while back then, _'the document of the future!'_
Just a friendly reminder that Inflation is a real thing 539.95$ in 1968. Would be equal to over 4620$ in todays money.
Kinda makes that budget TCL/Roku TV even more attractive now.
Great project! I suggest to put a power cycle counter in it, too!
Experiment is great thing! I'm going to follow!
Thanks! Great idea, I'd love to see a $$ per hour on that beast
We know the wattage consumption and we have an hour meter so we can figure out a lot of info
@@shango066 It would be good to buy a 500w solar panel and a cheap pure sine wave inverter to run this sucker.
@@simonhanlon7518 cool idea
00:43:20 You have a different Jeep commercial out there. Here in Utah is depicted a random charging station in the desert on a sand dune, and drivers waving right of way to fellow Jeepists like there on a parade float. (there are areas of the state where simply buying gas would be a 100+ mile drive, without leaving the interstate highway)
I remember growing up watching tv on a set like that one. Hard to think you could find those in the 1990s.
It's not like you would ever need to access the volume control, but the "ICP"... that is super-important for easy access on a continuous basis. LOL!!
Yeah. I’m honestly amazed that nobody challenged that decision during the design phase of the set.
I would watch a video series of just this guy watching TV commercials and giving a commentary
It's amazing those sets lasted as long as they did without a fan inside.
Convection
Man you made me so nervous when you just touched that flyback.
I used to live in Southern California. Where I live now electricity is a straight $.08 /Kwh. That TV would not cost that much to operate here. The TV and your planned testing is really cool.
I am paying about 23 cents per kWh, which is cheap some pay over 35 depending on supplier as well as the 77 cent daily supply charge.
@@steviebboy69 Hard to imagine having to pay rates that high.
@@multicyclist Well that is the prices of electricity in Australia.
I feel for you and hope your energy situation gets better for Australia and for California also.
Love the irony of running this 300W set to watch news of Cali's Flex alert.
The accident and injury song is hypnotic.
I got a Commodore 1702 monitor, a few weeks back. Almost all of them have a missing front door, just like mine, because the volume pot is hidden under the door. My first question was also, why?
wow I've never seen pixels like that before. I'm used to the Red Green and blue being little rectangle shapes in sets of three.
Maybe the leads on the cathode current meter are affecting the circuit or making a bad connection.
Try measuring the voltage across a 1 ohm resistor in the fuse holder instead.
You can solder it to a blown fuse.
11:00 - when TVs have been unused for that long, the cathode in the CRT goes back into a catatonic state and needs to be left to re-activate. It’s a repeat performance of the activation stage when the CRT itself was in the factory.
I'll bet when that color TV set first arrived at the showroom, it was emitting fresh images including Soviet tanks of the Prague Spring. As I remember, those were some pretty *scary* times.
In 1968, the color T.V. is consider status symbol of rich, not ordinarily citizen can effort it! I 1st saw a picture of Soviet Tank of Praque only in Black and White! Even that was originally film by B/W movie camera. The film has to be process at Major Net Work Dark Room then rolls into films reels cut and patch for final edition, then loaded in to aluminum container then send it to the airport and flew to its final designation and put it into movie screen and then added the sound track them put it to public TV. under seven O' Clock CBS news or major network!
My uncle had the first color TV in the family. He used his employee discount to buy a Zenith console that lasted well into the late 70s. It was expensive, but he did like his nice stuff.
@@johnmadow5331 In those days, this was true. If you had a color TV, you was basically king of the block. The footage of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was exclusively in black and white, like pretty much all other news footage back then. Networks would notify their audiences ahead of time that the following program was _"in living color"_ (NBC).
Now it'll just show Russian troops retreating from Ukraine.
@@BPJJohn A little off-topic in this thread perhaps, but the killing must stop and the Russian forces need to go back home to their families and communities.
I had a 1980 RCA color trak monitor 25" crt on from 7 am to midnight for 25 years and it was still playing fine when I put it on the curb (thankfully someone picked it up before garbage men)
Oh and it was never serviced
Cool idea looking forward to the updates 👍👍
First time I almost fell out of my chair watching a Shango video. 90 cents kwh?!? California has gone completely lunatic fringe. I thought our electricity was pricey, along with everything else in the land of population extortion and misery, Illinois. But at a combined power supply and distribution charge of 15 cents (Summer, August 2022) I cannot complain. At least about that. Apparently windmills and solar panels are not cost effective, even in sunny Cali. Then with all the electric cars they are mandating, competition for electricity will make it even worse. Old people cannot afford to keep their air conditioning running and will cook to death in the heat.
Newsom is mandating for California to be electric-only car sales in ten years, and a few days ago tells Californians not to charge their cars because their isn't enough electricity in the state! You cannot make this stuff up!
They are getting to us lol. I never did even think of how much juice my toys took until the last few years. I live in Kentucky and I ensure you we have enough of the black rock to have free electric for everyone for generations to come.
Is the raster stable and linear could be shorted turns on the LOPT or possibly snubber open circuit
You may want to think about adding composite video and audio input lacks? You could just mount a bracket with the jacks and switch on an existing chassis screw as make the mod reversible.
BTW, on the power consumption, I just noted the other day that a new model 65in Panasonic OLED takes 300 watts!
Might be RCA jacks to make that easier
In 1967 my parents bought our first RCA (new Vista color) console TV was approx $600 bucks.
Well that is fun awesome entertainment it’s cool to see a brand new old stock don’t see them to often
This is a very unique experiment that you came up with. I will be following up with every video. Can I offer some input,??? Measure all the major power resisters for the DC, cold ohm resistance, measure all the electrolytic capacitors ESR, and other major components for resistance at the start of this project. Document all of it, Then at the end of this experiment do the same thing then compare notes, see what changed in value due to the high hours put on this TV during this experiment. We all can learn from this, just a suggestion, by the way, fantastic picture this has.
Depending on the place this TV will live, it could last quite a long time if it's not hot or humid. Back in the early 70's, my family went on vacation for a week in July and the A/C was off in the house (in Illinois). When we got back, it was hot an humid in the house. Turned on the TV (1968 RCA 19 inch) and the flyback blew up in a stinky cloud of electric mayhem. Can't remember what all was replaced over the years we used it as main TV, but about every two years, something was fixed, usually just a tube, though I think the UHF tuner died at some point and was changed. This TV was used heavily 6-8 hours a day from 1968 to 1981 and then semi-retired. The replacement Zenith solid state 19 inch portable only lasted a few years. Replaced that with a RCA 26 inch console that only lasted about ten years. I think 60's vintage seemed to be the best built.
Vintage RCA, especially before they went all PC board hybrids, was top drawer BW or color television. They dived deeply into most/all PC board chassis during the Hybrid era. Long tube burning, 6 or 8 or nine bulbs plus massive CRT ... that color TV hybrid era was the start of end for RCA as leadership in consumer electronics. Shortly into solid state era they became a brand. Today the moniker is meaningless in that what is in the box might be from anywhere and made by anyone.
@@d.c.hammond130 Yep, our '68 RCA had PC boards, no hybrid. Lucky the heat didn't cook the boards or wreck the tube sockets per usual. This was our first color TV. Cost LOT$. It replaced a dead 1952 Sylvania B&W console that couldn't be fixed any more.
Kind of a stretch calling this a NOS set; that flyback wax takes quite a few hours of runtime to drip out like that (20:48).
Doesn't turning the TV on and off also put ware on the internals?
Perfect timing for that kind of power consumption...
"I'm guessing that propaganda bulb has a quite a few mandates left in it..."
Maybe because that flyback is circling the drain, you could do this same experiment with one of those new old stock Sylvanias if you have any left. I remember as a child what beautiful pictures those Sylvanias used to have. Also, a smaller table model might use less wattage?