Even that will end up getting broken if anything more like a solid block of metal that will probably get stolen then sold for scrap for someone's meth addiction.
Never let them pack anything. I spent over 100 bucks shipping 2 matted concert posters back home and of course, they got dinged. Not damaged but I was so pissed I demanded at least a partial refund and that turned into another unbelievable nightmare.
Your sense of humor is impeccable! Love your videos, brings me back to the mid 70's when I repaired those old tube TV's as a, believe it or not, teenager. Imagine the look on the customer's faces when a kid in braces cracked open the back of a console. I used my skills as a fallback during the wonderful and competent Carter administration. I rarely, very rarely, had to take a Zenith chassis "back to the shop" to fix on a test jig. If you couldn't repair a Zenith TV/console in home, you were just considered incompetent. You did need a well stocked van. Zenith rocked as far as build quality and ease of access for repair. I could pull off a complete kine job in 1/2 hour, purity and convergence was simple. OEM CRT's only, none of that rebuilt garbage. US built Zenith products had no rival.
Mr. Shango, The change, inflection of your voice when describing unnecessary damage to these sets really show the passion you have for these. IT REALLY IS COOL! Thanks for the video!
Usually when I smell burning electronics and see the magic smoke, I unplug it so fast and sit there shaking like I just avoided a near collision on the expressway at 90mph.
We once got a new TV because Dad was attempting to repair the Trinitron and slipped or something, made a short on the board and it arced .. wow was he ever sunk. Bought a new Trinitron and never looked back. Before that 1984 Sony revolution, we'd ran a 69 Zenith console straight into the dump . . . it'd played constantly for like 25 years. best Bugs Bunny Roadrunner set ever.
My family owned a small-town Western Auto Associate Store in the 70s. Having electronics degree and some experience as a mechanic, I was the appointed to be the local appliance technician. I remember a particular 18-inch model Truetone color TV that always burned out that same thermistor.
32:25 Don't worry, PCB was never used in ELECTROLYTIC capacitors; it's not conductive. PCB was an isolating oil that was rather used in non-polarized caps and transformers. In an electrolytic cap, you want the fluid to be sorta conductive and not isolating.
It's often just a mixture of glycol and some type of salt. The glycol probably dissolved the cloth wire. it tastes sweet and is poisonous, main ingredient in antifreeze.
No kidding there. I recently found a good deal on an old Triplett 630 VOM, but I wanted to make sure the meter movement survived the journey. On delivery day, I made sure to watch my security cam's so, when the driver arrived, I met him in front and didn't give him a chance to throw it 10 or more feet at my back door.
@@directcurrent5751 More likely than not, they will transport packages with the label on top, or maybe on a side they can scan it, but as far as a "this side up" label, ya, god luck with that!
A month or two ago I just purchased the 1971 version of this with the plastic chassis it came in perfect condition was shipped UPS and with very little effort it was working fine, like you said in a previous video it's a zenith it'll either work or it'll take you the rest of your life to fix.
I have the 1968 version and that set and the .18uf cap went bad for the chroma 3.85mc osc went bad and the vertical noise filter went.everything else is still original to this day.
I don’t think they’ll ever completely stop making incandescent lights. We still get new incandescent light bulbs for the control lighting in the machines in the factory I work in because of… reasons. There are also some smart home lighting control switches that require at least one incandescent light in the fixture to provide smart home capability to certain old building wiring configurations. Incandescent lighting is useful for many reasons similar to the use you put it to. Just not for lighting.
There will always be incandescent or halogen bulbs for specialized uses... they just won't be the very cheap items they used to be. For high-heat applications like inside ovens. And I need them as small electric heaters to keep barn water pumps from freezing in the winter. They also of course light up the pumphouse, and can I tell at a glance that they are still working and the fuse hasnt blown.
@13:18 i saw an add for zenith where it showed that part and said it was a “tube saver” where it stopped the electrical spike going to the tubes at startup thus increasing tube life as most tubes fail because of such a spike.
Long time ago I worked during school holidays at a distribution center. From that experience I can tell you there is no point in putting a "Fragile" sticker or handling instructions for anything you ship, you might as well put a "Kick me!" sticker on it. Actually it might be safer to put a "Kick me!" sticker on it as it might take away the incentive to drop it from 3 meters just to hear if that breaks whatever is in the box.
You pay "The UPS Store" DOUBLE the price to ship as you do if you box it yourself and take it to UPS. The "UPS" "Store" and others like it are NOT owned OR affiliated by UPS at all. They merely USE UPS! You pay some teenager with a squeaky voice (they're still going through puberty) to sell you a box and fill it full of "popcorn" from a hopper up above. The same deal applies to the USPS. When you go online, ONLY go the USPS actual website. You've got to be careful, many companies try to copy and LOOK like USPS. The USPS is one of the few exceptions where the government does it better!
Loved the "Leaky Cap" segment. I pulled a not so smart move about a month ago and stuck a bottle of speaker repair cement in the microwave oven for 30 seconds. It started to boil out of the cap like a volcano! It took twenty minutes to clear the air. Growing up my father only purchased Zenith televisions.............
when I was still selling on eBay (before eBay forced people to accept PayPal payments ) I once sent a monitor that was completely destroyed in shipping) since then I've either stuffed it in the back to support the tube or i removed it and sent the tube separately, which actually worked well but that unfortunately is something not everyone can do.
Do not let the liquid from the capacitor get on the circuitry. It is conductive and will cause strange problems. It is probably water soluble, it can be cleaned with water or 70% alcohol.
I worked in warehouse in late 80s. We would ship stuff via UPS and I remember seeing in their guidelines that you needed to pack stuff to withstand a 6 foot fall onto concrete. Anything fragile should definitely be double boxed.
The Zenith logo always puts me in mind of my 3 fav 50’s sci-fi films: War of the Worlds. This Island Earth. Forbidden Planet. I would watch the hell out of them on a T.V. like this..🤔
I'm surprised you broke down and cleaned the pots proactively some of the coolest issues were from bad pots. but hey we get older and seek the easier path to happiness in the hv cage. you really do rock brother thank you for everything.
It's hard to believe they made such a monstrosity in 1969. I suppose this was designed earlier and so that's why it's a bit obsolete for 69. It's a work of art though. It is amazing just how much progress happened just in the 70s with regards to TV sets.
The color TV set like this was price out of reach of middle class American back in 1966. I remember 19" Zenith transistor sold at shopping mall for around $350.00 new with 1 years warranty that you have to carry it to service center. The home service is about $80.00-120 plus parts plus sales taxes. You can finance with furniture store credit with 23% interests with $20.00 per months or 8.00 per week payment.
@@johnmadow5331 Part of why it was so expensive is the lack of PCBs in the set and the high parts count and the 14 or 15 tubes in it. With PCBs, you can load them up and then solder them automatically, whereas with P2P wiring, it all has to be done in chassis (not in set, just in chassis) one part at a time by hand. Transistor sets were really inexpensive when I was a kid (I was born around 1970). I even got a black and white set for my room around 1978 and my father was a working man. But that might not reflect conditions in 1969. However, I think it's probably an older design, even if 69 was the first year for this TV. Maybe a 2 year lag time to design and then eventually start building the sets.
A monstrosity to your modern eyes, but back in the day Zeniths were among the most reliable brands around, and easier to get serviced than something cutting edge like Sony.
@ 29:40 "Spray on me, Daddie" sounds like the perfect ask when capturing "Capacitor Failure Porn" Entertainment at it's finest! I wouldn't consider, or risk, buying something that big that needed shipping. Most FBMP purchases I have made were good, all fairly local drives, got to check out important stuff like a Hickok 600 tube tester before buying, but also ran into a "bait and switch" , where someone advertised a Nakimichi integrated amp that needed work, but when I got there, a man who couldn't speak English had 3 low priced receivers sitting on a table. I said Nakamichi, and he kept pointing to the crap, I left,, tried to message the FB account holder, she said it was a "misunderstanding" , but she was unwilling to be on site for a sale, so, I reported the seller. for fraud.
The fragile stickers instead make UPS drop it even more. Look's like someone probably kicked the side of the box in to cause the back to kink in like that.
Well... once you bring it to someplace to pack it, even if you give them instructions, you have no control over what the finished packing looks like, or how it was done, which is truly unfortunate, but shipping anything that large with a fragile picture tube is a hazard unto itself.
@@poormanselectronicsbench2021 I didn't say the seller is responsible for packing it. I said most people can't seem to follow instructions no matter how simple they are. I've shipped over 2000 vintage electronics. I've NEVER had a single complaint. 100% feedback and compliments is what I've received. As Shango said, DOUBLE BOX it face down.
@@charleswillsonpeale5739 I got it, as with about anything, doing it yourself is the only way you can guarantee that you get what you would like in a packing job.
If you go full power on with bad capacitors like that, they'll probably blow the seal and shoot out a lot of steam and smoke. I was a kid about 40 years ago and ran into someone giving me an old tv chassis. No box. One tv given to me happened to have a focus coil on the neck. More likely a very old set. I powered it on full before I knew all this. It wouldn't run. So, I left it on for awhile to see if it will even come on. Suddenly, one of those three capacitors blew so hard that the smoke came out from underneath the chassis in all directions. No explosion, thankfully but blew a hole through the bottom of the capacitor.
I just received a radio bought from the 'bay. It was in the tight fitting box with a couple of pieces of cardboard around it for packing. I'm surprised it made it without any damage at all, but it did. I think it may have been because, this particular radio, a 60's stereo component, has a wood cabinet that is built like a tank.
It says on the box Fragile. That , according to shippers, is Italian for "treat me like a cheap whore". LOL I think Rybelsus , a small pill , allows glucose to pass through your urine so it helps diabetics by lowering blood sugar. But you pee a lot all day if you eat or drink sugary drinks. So you don't get dehydrated you must replace that fluid loss with water, diet teas, or diet sodas. Go for the unsweetened tea.
if the tubes have "DATE CODES", they are original tubes( with E.I.A. code numbers). the yellow inked tubes were made by SYLVANIA ,or WESTINGHOUSE. white inked tubes were either made by GENERAL ELECTRIC or R.C.A replacement zenith tubes had orange ink with no date code/ E.I.A. number.
@@shango066 not gonna lie, when I saw the thumbnail I was like “dang, he did get it….” But after a while of seeing all the issues it has i didn’t feel as bad. I’m glad you saved it man, if no one did, that sucker would probably have been trashed
I was looking forward to your video about the solid state vibrator. The video appeared in my notifications, but was listed as private. I'm not sure if you did this until you edited the video or finished it. Please keep us posted on this as it looks like a really cool project. That radio sounded really good and as a vintage car enthusiast, I'm happy to see that someone cares enough to restore one.
You know it’s so funny i’m in Michigan and here UPS is awesome and FedEx is garbage but I know that changes from state to state or even County to county.
Agreed. Some of the commercials on YT have finally sunk to the abysmal, insulting, level that "broadcast" TV had gone to...And, as if were even possible, perhaps even lower. Nowadays, before clicking on any VJO, I have my thumb ready on the "you know what" button.
In the last version of his output transformerless vacuum tube amplifiers, Julius Futterman chose the 6LF6 for the output tube. The circuit used 6 of them in totem pole, 3 in parallel per half.
About the incandescent bulbs, they are still in production, here in europe after they were banned manufactures just changed the name of the product and just continued to make and sell them
They are internal tie points for the various components that Shango showed underneath the chassis. Each one forms a little cup, if you will, into which the component leads are fed into at the time of assembly, and then heated and solder is added. They also serve as test points if you know which components are tied together. Some of the test points are formally labeled on top of the chassi, in the Zenith literature, or in the Sam's Photofact.
@@waltschannel7465 , I spotted general electric sets that were made in the early 1950's, where the tube sockets that had solder pockets. you are 100% correct, it started to go away in the early 1970's, when companies were transitioning to p.c. boards/ transistor circuits. tube circuits were on the decline by this point in time. we had an R.C.A. tube factory in town that closed in 1975( CINCINNATI OHIO).
This video was playing while I was cleaning around the room and also my ps4 was on because I would play a match or 2 of rocket league in between, but then I heard that noise around the 44:06 while cleaning and I thought it was my ps4, specifically the fan going bad lol. Glad it wasn't!
I had one similar to this one, it was a 25 inch in a metal cabinet. it had the controls under the door like this one, but 3 controls near the tuners were different. I wish I could find another one like the one I had... It had the best color.
I did get even with a Fedex Ground driver. You see my kids bought me one of those RING doorbells with the camera in the button. It takes wonderful video, and I can zoom in and read the name tag on my neighbor across the street if I desire. It alerts me through my Alexa app and shows me who is at the door automatically. So the dude was parked across my driveway with his side door open. He was sorting through the packages by picking them up, reading the labels then drop kicking the packages out of the way if they were not mine. Mine arrived intact, I was amazed, however I saved the video and called the main office in a nearby city. I got their email and sent them the video. They called me a week later to assure me that the driver was no longer in their employment. Since then my packages arrive in fairly good condition.
I once moved a tv with the face down and a little piece of something fell down into the shadow mask creating a little black spot. Luckily after using it over the following weeks the degaussing seemed to have dislodged it.
I'm still interested in making a way to tell between drop and crush damage in shipping. With some of the old electronic/mechanical equipment I work on it would be helpful to know if a dent like that came from crushing or dropping. I'm trying to level up and high-impact problems get tricky, crushed isnt so much a problem.
What I mean is I want to know if it got crushed, how much weight (not always, more as a test on a few packages) I know there are burst detectors for shock. I've had one case where the damage was so bad that if I'd known it was shock damage I'd have expected the right problems from the beginning and saved more time then I could ever afford to pay myself.
I understand the need to remove the knobs and the intention behind putting the tube face down, but I'm wondering, how much will that help when the box will probably end up in every direction during shipping?
Two big differences: 6LF6 has 12-pin compactron base, PL519 has a 9-pin. PL519 gas a 300mA heater for series sets, the EL519 has a 6.3V heater like 6LF6
I hate shipping anything a little larger. I've seen boxes with holes where the fork of a fork lift has just benn pushed through the box..... Sometimes shipping is unavoidable, but more often than not something is damaged. Looks like the damage on this set is not so bad and the set is saveable. These are a well made and nice set. In Australia, we don't get a stuff like this and finding decent tube era TV's and Radios can be hard.
Here is a question maybe someone can answer. Why is static on an empty channel in a color tv only black and white? Why doesn’t the static have some color? Is it just that static dosent trigger that functionality in the set? Just always wondered.
I feel your pain, there is a motorola 17P6 portable in Chicago like the one me and my father (deceased) first worked on. Havent seen one in over 30 yrs. And i KNOW it would get destroyed in shipping...
Would have been cool to see the FLIR image of the can heating up. I was expecting you to start looking for something heating up with all those watts flowing and when the B+ started dropping I was thinking, here it comes! Something is letting go! Never seen a can drip fluid, only steam, white smoke, and lots of crap floating in the air if it explodes. Not sure if it is true, but I heard it is fish oil used in some electrolytics, that may be the foul stench.
oo, clever using the voltage drop from the surge thermistor for degaussing! usually in uk ones there are 2 separate ones, ntc for surge, ptc for degauss , or even no surge thermistor, just a normal resistor! some sets in the UK used a dual coupled ntc/ptc thing, some a dual ptc, with the second ptc to keep the main degauss one hot, to minimise residual degauss current
when i run up old sets i remove all valves/tubes so you dont get the heater current interfering with the reforming...that way you can use lower wattage bulbs to get a lower current gentler/slower reforming
with most uk tv circuits, if you removed the line output anode/plate volts it'd either fry the screen feed resistor and/or damage the output valve/tube screen grid!
i had one cap that seemed to reform ok but when all valves were refitted, so it had ripple current going to it, it heated up a bit like the one in the video .. didnt vent, though, i ended up restuffing it
Rule of thumb: Never let UPS pack anything more delicate than a block of cement.
Even that will end up getting broken if anything more like a solid block of metal that will probably get stolen then sold for scrap for someone's meth addiction.
You receive a box full of rubble then
Never let them pack anything. I spent over 100 bucks shipping 2 matted concert posters back home and of course, they got dinged. Not damaged but I was so pissed I demanded at least a partial refund and that turned into another unbelievable nightmare.
That’s a under statement
UPS has the ability to destroy a steel anvil.
United Parcel Smashers, as Radiotvphononut calls them...
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Lol… this needs to be pinned 😂
Your sense of humor is impeccable!
Love your videos, brings me back to the mid 70's when I repaired those old tube TV's as a, believe it or not, teenager.
Imagine the look on the customer's faces when a kid in braces cracked open the back of a console.
I used my skills as a fallback during the wonderful and competent Carter administration.
I rarely, very rarely, had to take a Zenith chassis "back to the shop" to fix on a test jig.
If you couldn't repair a Zenith TV/console in home, you were just considered incompetent. You did need a well stocked van.
Zenith rocked as far as build quality and ease of access for repair.
I could pull off a complete kine job in 1/2 hour, purity and convergence was simple. OEM CRT's only, none of that rebuilt garbage.
US built Zenith products had no rival.
Agreed!
Mr. Shango, The change, inflection of your voice when describing unnecessary damage to these sets really show the passion you have for these. IT REALLY IS COOL! Thanks for the video!
Usually when I smell burning electronics and see the magic smoke, I unplug it so fast and sit there shaking like I just avoided a near collision on the expressway at 90mph.
@@ATSNorthernMI An me lol i shake like a leaf
I love watching you troubleshooting old electronic stuff. You're very good.
If you lower your expectations far enough, you will never be disappointed!
This approach worked great when finding a wife!
NICE SAVE on that smashed in back!
and he says that he is no good when it comes to "FIT AND FINISH"!!!! it looked good to me, like it just left the factory.
As soon as you said "let's give it more power" I heard Beavis and Butt-Head in my head going "Hehe Fire! Fire! Fire!"
We once got a new TV because Dad was attempting to repair the Trinitron and slipped or something, made a short on the board and it arced .. wow was he ever sunk. Bought a new Trinitron and never looked back. Before that 1984 Sony revolution, we'd ran a 69 Zenith console straight into the dump . . . it'd played constantly for like 25 years. best Bugs Bunny Roadrunner set ever.
My family owned a small-town Western Auto Associate Store in the 70s. Having electronics degree and some experience as a mechanic, I was the appointed to be the local appliance technician. I remember a particular 18-inch model Truetone color TV that always burned out that same thermistor.
These days it goes straight in the garbage. May have forgot to plug it in or turn on the power strip. Straight to the garbage.
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Don't worry, PCB was never used in ELECTROLYTIC capacitors; it's not conductive. PCB was an isolating oil that was rather used in non-polarized caps and transformers.
In an electrolytic cap, you want the fluid to be sorta conductive and not isolating.
Excellent Point 👍 That's why it was widely used in cooling oils in HV transformers.
It's often just a mixture of glycol and some type of salt.
The glycol probably dissolved the cloth wire. it tastes sweet and is poisonous, main ingredient in antifreeze.
Yep, I was about to say the same thing:PCB-laced oil was used in oil-filled caps, not electrolytic caps.
@@liamtheinventor1522 If they say electrolytic, then they are wrong.
It's just physics.
@@EdgarsLS Yep, true!
You should not drink it anyway. But its vapors are not as dangerous as those from PCB.
I figure that marking a package as 'fragile' is baiting or challenging the disgruntled shipping company employee to have his/her fun.
This is absolutely true, however for 70+ pounds UPS I would use their official label. And definitely double box.
One time a USPS customer clerk told me how meaningless UP was.
No kidding there. I recently found a good deal on an old Triplett 630 VOM, but I wanted to make sure the meter movement survived the journey. On delivery day, I made sure to watch my security cam's so, when the driver arrived, I met him in front and didn't give him a chance to throw it 10 or more feet at my back door.
@@directcurrent5751 More likely than not, they will transport packages with the label on top, or maybe on a side they can scan it, but as far as a "this side up" label, ya, god luck with that!
Wow, Shango, you lucked out on the condition after the packing / shipping experience. It could have been a lot worse.
Yeah, I was getting worried.
A month or two ago I just purchased the 1971 version of this with the plastic chassis it came in perfect condition was shipped UPS and with very little effort it was working fine, like you said in a previous video it's a zenith it'll either work or it'll take you the rest of your life to fix.
I have the 1968 version and that set and the .18uf cap went bad for the chroma 3.85mc osc went bad and the vertical noise filter went.everything else is still original to this day.
I don’t think they’ll ever completely stop making incandescent lights. We still get new incandescent light bulbs for the control lighting in the machines in the factory I work in because of… reasons. There are also some smart home lighting control switches that require at least one incandescent light in the fixture to provide smart home capability to certain old building wiring configurations.
Incandescent lighting is useful for many reasons similar to the use you put it to. Just not for lighting.
Animal/food heat lamps and appliance bulbs are exempt. An LED bulb would melt in an oven! I’ve already seen 60-watt “appliance” bulbs in stores.
There will always be incandescent or halogen bulbs for specialized uses... they just won't be the very cheap items they used to be. For high-heat applications like inside ovens. And I need them as small electric heaters to keep barn water pumps from freezing in the winter. They also of course light up the pumphouse, and can I tell at a glance that they are still working and the fuse hasnt blown.
@@haweater1555 I am assuming a halogen bulb would work as a dim bulb as good as a regular incandescent?
I just love binge watching your videos even though it's 12:30 at night and have work in a couple of hours 😂
There's a good chance that set was made in the Zenith factory where my grandmother worked from 1946 to 1971 in Chicago.
@13:18 i saw an add for zenith where it showed that part and said it was a “tube saver” where it stopped the electrical spike going to the tubes at startup thus increasing tube life as most tubes fail because of such a spike.
I put one in tube receiver and amplifier that have solid state rectifiers
Long time ago I worked during school holidays at a distribution center. From that experience I can tell you there is no point in putting a "Fragile" sticker or handling instructions for anything you ship, you might as well put a "Kick me!" sticker on it. Actually it might be safer to put a "Kick me!" sticker on it as it might take away the incentive to drop it from 3 meters just to hear if that breaks whatever is in the box.
You pay "The UPS Store" DOUBLE the price to ship as you do if you box it yourself and take it to UPS. The "UPS" "Store" and others like it are NOT owned OR affiliated by UPS at all. They merely USE UPS! You pay some teenager with a squeaky voice (they're still going through puberty) to sell you a box and fill it full of "popcorn" from a hopper up above.
The same deal applies to the USPS. When you go online, ONLY go the USPS actual website. You've got to be careful, many companies try to copy and LOOK like USPS. The USPS is one of the few exceptions where the government does it better!
Loved the "Leaky Cap" segment. I pulled a not so smart move about a month ago and stuck a bottle of speaker repair cement in the microwave oven for 30 seconds. It started to boil out of the cap like a volcano! It took twenty minutes to clear the air. Growing up my father only purchased Zenith televisions.............
I really enjoy your watching your videos despite not knowing anything about electronics and therefore not understanding what you are talking about.
when I was still selling on eBay (before eBay forced people to accept PayPal payments ) I once sent a monitor that was completely destroyed in shipping) since then I've either stuffed it in the back to support the tube or i removed it and sent the tube separately, which actually worked well but that unfortunately is something not everyone can do.
eBay doesn’t require PayPal anymore.
Do not let the liquid from the capacitor get on the circuitry.
It is conductive and will cause strange problems.
It is probably water soluble, it can be cleaned with water or 70% alcohol.
I worked in warehouse in late 80s. We would ship stuff via UPS and I remember seeing in their guidelines that you needed to pack stuff to withstand a 6 foot fall onto concrete. Anything fragile should definitely be double boxed.
Power Compactron sweep tubes top power to lower...all same pin out
6LF6, 6LB6, 6LR6, 6JS6
6LR looks heaver than 6JS
@@shango066 yes, you right.
The USPS would have played rugby with this box. In the USPS the word fragile means hit me with a truck.
The "Useless Storage and Procrastination Service" 🤣
Years ago, I spoke with a UPS shipping guy and he recommended a minimum of 6 inches on all sides, to double-box and use that expanding foam.
Brings back memories of working in a TV shop in the mid '70s when I was in HS. Hand wired Zeniths were some of the most enjoyable to work on.
RIP cancer-filled capacitor, also the sudden ending was just perfect
The Zenith logo always puts me in mind of my 3 fav 50’s sci-fi films:
War of the Worlds.
This Island Earth.
Forbidden Planet.
I would watch the hell out of them on a T.V. like this..🤔
I'm surprised you broke down and cleaned the pots proactively some of the coolest issues were from bad pots. but hey we get older and seek the easier path to happiness in the hv cage.
you really do rock brother thank you for everything.
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It's hard to believe they made such a monstrosity in 1969. I suppose this was designed earlier and so that's why it's a bit obsolete for 69. It's a work of art though.
It is amazing just how much progress happened just in the 70s with regards to TV sets.
The color TV set like this was price out of reach of middle class American back in 1966. I remember 19" Zenith transistor sold at shopping mall for around $350.00 new with 1 years warranty that you have to carry it to service center. The home service is about $80.00-120 plus parts plus sales taxes. You can finance with furniture store credit with 23% interests with $20.00 per months or 8.00 per week payment.
@@johnmadow5331 Part of why it was so expensive is the lack of PCBs in the set and the high parts count and the 14 or 15 tubes in it. With PCBs, you can load them up and then solder them automatically, whereas with P2P wiring, it all has to be done in chassis (not in set, just in chassis) one part at a time by hand.
Transistor sets were really inexpensive when I was a kid (I was born around 1970). I even got a black and white set for my room around 1978 and my father was a working man.
But that might not reflect conditions in 1969. However, I think it's probably an older design, even if 69 was the first year for this TV. Maybe a 2 year lag time to design and then eventually start building the sets.
A monstrosity to your modern eyes, but back in the day Zeniths were among the most reliable brands around, and easier to get serviced than something cutting edge like Sony.
@@circuitsmith I only think it was a monstrosity by 1969 standards. I agree they made very good reliable sets. But they were also expensive.
Love this video. Can't wait for part two.
I watched part 2 first. Now I'm watching this. I didn't know about part 1 until yesterday.
@ 29:40 "Spray on me, Daddie" sounds like the perfect ask when capturing "Capacitor Failure Porn" Entertainment at it's finest! I wouldn't consider, or risk, buying something that big that needed shipping. Most FBMP purchases I have made were good, all fairly local drives, got to check out important stuff like a Hickok 600 tube tester before buying, but also ran into a "bait and switch" , where someone advertised a Nakimichi integrated amp that needed work, but when I got there, a man who couldn't speak English had 3 low priced receivers sitting on a table. I said Nakamichi, and he kept pointing to the crap, I left,, tried to message the FB account holder, she said it was a "misunderstanding" , but she was unwilling to be on site for a sale, so, I reported the seller. for fraud.
Good video, I really enjoyed the tv and the commentary.
The fragile stickers instead make UPS drop it even more. Look's like someone probably kicked the side of the box in to cause the back to kink in like that.
I can hardly wait for part 2!
Excited for pt. 2!
I hope the seller is watching. I can't understand why some people can't follow simple instructions.
Well... once you bring it to someplace to pack it, even if you give them instructions, you have no control over what the finished packing looks like, or how it was done, which is truly unfortunate, but shipping anything that large with a fragile picture tube is a hazard unto itself.
@@poormanselectronicsbench2021 I didn't say the seller is responsible for packing it. I said most people can't seem to follow instructions no matter how simple they are. I've shipped over 2000 vintage electronics. I've NEVER had a single complaint. 100% feedback and compliments is what I've received. As Shango said, DOUBLE BOX it face down.
@@charleswillsonpeale5739 I got it, as with about anything, doing it yourself is the only way you can guarantee that you get what you would like in a packing job.
@@poormanselectronicsbench2021 Exactly.
If you go full power on with bad capacitors like that, they'll probably blow the seal and shoot out a lot of steam and smoke. I was a kid about 40 years ago and ran into someone giving me an old tv chassis. No box. One tv given to me happened to have a focus coil on the neck. More likely a very old set. I powered it on full before I knew all this. It wouldn't run. So, I left it on for awhile to see if it will even come on. Suddenly, one of those three capacitors blew so hard that the smoke came out from underneath the chassis in all directions. No explosion, thankfully but blew a hole through the bottom of the capacitor.
Yeah! We're ready to watch TV here! :D
Shango is the best!
I just received a radio bought from the 'bay. It was in the tight fitting box with a couple of pieces of cardboard around it for packing. I'm surprised it made it without any damage at all, but it did. I think it may have been because, this particular radio, a 60's stereo component, has a wood cabinet that is built like a tank.
It says on the box Fragile. That , according to shippers, is Italian for "treat me like a cheap whore". LOL I think Rybelsus ,
a small pill , allows glucose to pass through your urine so it helps diabetics by lowering blood sugar. But you pee a lot all
day if you eat or drink sugary drinks. So you don't get dehydrated you must replace that fluid loss with water, diet teas, or
diet sodas. Go for the unsweetened tea.
Jardiance works the same way. Can easily drink a gallon of water a day. Maybe even more in the summer.
HI SHANGO!!! Awesome content.
if the tubes have "DATE CODES", they are original tubes( with E.I.A. code numbers). the yellow inked tubes were made by SYLVANIA ,or WESTINGHOUSE. white inked tubes were either made by GENERAL ELECTRIC or R.C.A replacement zenith tubes had orange ink with no date code/ E.I.A. number.
PCB's were used in AC voltage (non-polarized, non-electrolytic) capacitors. Not in polarized electrolytic DC voltage ones.
Looks like my very first tv. I miss that old Zenith
Not long ago I bought a Tektronix plug-in from an antique store. They shipped it double-wrapped. With two sheets of newspaper.
Hope you enjoy the set man. Wish I was able to get it. I’m the guy that posted it on fb tv group! I remember ya commented
You probably the lucky one. This is going to take A LOT to get working close to right
@@shango066 not gonna lie, when I saw the thumbnail I was like “dang, he did get it….” But after a while of seeing all the issues it has i didn’t feel as bad. I’m glad you saved it man, if no one did, that sucker would probably have been trashed
I was looking forward to your video about the solid state vibrator. The video appeared in my notifications, but was listed as private. I'm not sure if you did this until you edited the video or finished it. Please keep us posted on this as it looks like a really cool project. That radio sounded really good and as a vintage car enthusiast, I'm happy to see that someone cares enough to restore one.
tomorrow
@@shango066 Thank you!
@@shango066 sound like its going to be funny your dry humour A+
@@shango066 Thanks!
You know it’s so funny i’m in Michigan and here UPS is awesome and FedEx is garbage but I know that changes from state to state or even County to county.
Agreed. Some of the commercials on YT have finally sunk to the abysmal, insulting, level that "broadcast" TV had gone to...And, as if were even possible, perhaps even lower. Nowadays, before clicking on any VJO, I have my thumb ready on the "you know what" button.
In the last version of his output transformerless vacuum tube amplifiers, Julius Futterman chose the 6LF6 for the output tube. The circuit used 6 of them in totem pole, 3 in parallel per half.
About the incandescent bulbs, they are still in production, here in europe after they were banned manufactures just changed the name of the product and just continued to make and sell them
What are all those rows of pins, terminals of some kind?
They are internal tie points for the various components that Shango showed underneath the chassis. Each one forms a little cup, if you will, into which the component leads are fed into at the time of assembly, and then heated and solder is added. They also serve as test points if you know which components are tied together. Some of the test points are formally labeled on top of the chassi, in the Zenith literature, or in the Sam's Photofact.
@@waltschannel7465 Thanks, I've never seen that kind of construction before.
@@obsoletebutneat , that was the "ZENITH" first, back when the sets were "HAND CRAFTED"
@Obsolete But Neat Zenith and Motorola both used that technique until the early 70s, but reduced its use from 1969 through 1974.
@@waltschannel7465 , I spotted general electric sets that were made in the early 1950's, where the tube sockets that had solder pockets. you are 100% correct, it started to go away in the early 1970's, when companies were transitioning to p.c. boards/ transistor circuits. tube circuits were on the decline by this point in time. we had an R.C.A. tube factory in town that closed in 1975( CINCINNATI OHIO).
This video was playing while I was cleaning around the room and also my ps4 was on because I would play a match or 2 of rocket league in between, but then I heard that noise around the 44:06 while cleaning and I thought it was my ps4, specifically the fan going bad lol. Glad it wasn't!
The box is marked "FRAGILE" UPS workers: "Let's see just how FRAGILE it is!"
I had one similar to this one, it was a 25 inch in a metal cabinet. it had the controls under the door like this one, but 3 controls near the tuners were different. I wish I could find another one like the one I had... It had the best color.
I had an issue with a damaged heavy reel to reel being shipped to me, Fed-Ex paid 100% on that item.
I did get even with a Fedex Ground driver. You see my kids bought me one of those RING doorbells with the camera in the button. It takes wonderful video, and I can zoom in and read the name tag on my neighbor across the street if I desire. It alerts me through my Alexa app and shows me who is at the door automatically. So the dude was parked across my driveway with his side door open. He was sorting through the packages by picking them up, reading the labels then drop kicking the packages out of the way if they were not mine. Mine arrived intact, I was amazed, however I saved the video and called the main office in a nearby city. I got their email and sent them the video. They called me a week later to assure me that the driver was no longer in their employment. Since then my packages arrive in fairly good condition.
I once moved a tv with the face down and a little piece of something fell down into the shadow mask creating a little black spot. Luckily after using it over the following weeks the degaussing seemed to have dislodged it.
I have also had this problem.
Uma época que dá orgulho de ver!
What a rare find! Then a white-knuckle toxic journey.... and a post-modern shocked suicidal capacitor! 😯
My parents had little TV's like this, one in the kitchen always liked them too. Cool little TV's
I'm still interested in making a way to tell between drop and crush damage in shipping. With some of the old electronic/mechanical equipment I work on it would be helpful to know if a dent like that came from crushing or dropping. I'm trying to level up and high-impact problems get tricky, crushed isnt so much a problem.
What I mean is I want to know if it got crushed, how much weight (not always, more as a test on a few packages) I know there are burst detectors for shock. I've had one case where the damage was so bad that if I'd known it was shock damage I'd have expected the right problems from the beginning and saved more time then I could ever afford to pay myself.
UPS. They put the drop into drop shipping.
In the opening seen is that a Triplett 3334 tube tester off to the Right? it Looks like the one i have.
Always fun to combine tv repair and auto body work. I think drh has one pretty close to this age, zenith of course.
I understand the need to remove the knobs and the intention behind putting the tube face down, but I'm wondering, how much will that help when the box will probably end up in every direction during shipping?
I had one back in the 80s. Had to replace the flyback. Then worked perfect. Wish I still had it.
What are all those little what look like stand offs on the base of the circuit board?
where you get a schematic diagram old model crt tv?
that horizontal output tube is that similair to a PL519 ? got more then 10 of those tubes in my ham shack laying arround
Two big differences: 6LF6 has 12-pin compactron base, PL519 has a 9-pin. PL519 gas a 300mA heater for series sets, the EL519 has a 6.3V heater like 6LF6
Spray on me daddy. 😂
I hate shipping anything a little larger. I've seen boxes with holes where the fork of a fork lift has just benn pushed through the box.....
Sometimes shipping is unavoidable, but more often than not something is damaged. Looks like the damage on this set is not so bad and the set is saveable.
These are a well made and nice set. In Australia, we don't get a stuff like this and finding decent tube era TV's and Radios can be hard.
YAY For PART II
They used to show nothing but Zenith as props on the old bewitched sitcoms.
Here is a question maybe someone can answer. Why is static on an empty channel in a color tv only black and white? Why doesn’t the static have some color? Is it just that static dosent trigger that functionality in the set? Just always wondered.
Great video, thanks
1:44 Shango you bloody legend 🤩
The electrolytic gave you a brown shower
Stool softener in that cap?
Hey, for EOL you could make controlled drop experiments .. face down vs. Bottom down...?
PCB with impurities usually used in caps have a unique orange-like smell. Hope this was not the case.
PCB's were not used in electrolytic caps-some oil-filled caps did though.
I’m curious whatever happened with that house with like 100+ CRTs, you showed a while back??
It gives me nightmares sometimes; I hope they were boxed properly, labeled, and sent out to people who can use them.
Was Zeniths modo, the quality goes in before the name goes on?
Nice one. Hope you are still enjoying our old Zenith console we sold you a couple years ago. Cheers
How is Packard Bell doing so far?
My question is what do you do with all the TVs once you fix them?
Watch ads and political debates.
Sorry mother dinner must wait i must watch this first
I feel your pain, there is a motorola 17P6 portable in Chicago like the one me and my father (deceased) first worked on. Havent seen one in over 30 yrs. And i KNOW it would get destroyed in shipping...
Mine had the flyback smoke a couple years ago, i wish i could get it fixed😢
I lost it when you said, "Oh, daddy. Drip on me!" ;-)
Very nice set .
Would have been cool to see the FLIR image of the can heating up.
I was expecting you to start looking for something heating up with all those watts flowing and when the B+ started dropping I was thinking, here it comes! Something is letting go! Never seen a can drip fluid, only steam, white smoke, and lots of crap floating in the air if it explodes.
Not sure if it is true, but I heard it is fish oil used in some electrolytics, that may be the foul stench.
oo, clever using the voltage drop from the surge thermistor for degaussing! usually in uk ones there are 2 separate ones, ntc for surge, ptc for degauss , or even no surge thermistor, just a normal resistor! some sets in the UK used a dual coupled ntc/ptc thing, some a dual ptc, with the second ptc to keep the main degauss one hot, to minimise residual degauss current
when i run up old sets i remove all valves/tubes so you dont get the heater current interfering with the reforming...that way you can use lower wattage bulbs to get a lower current gentler/slower reforming
with most uk tv circuits, if you removed the line output anode/plate volts it'd either fry the screen feed resistor and/or damage the output valve/tube screen grid!
i had one cap that seemed to reform ok but when all valves were refitted, so it had ripple current going to it, it heated up a bit like the one in the video .. didnt vent, though, i ended up restuffing it
I fixed a bunch of these little paperweights. I don't recall ever having to trash one.