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    For the first time ever, we can increase the RAM in the original XBOX from 64MB to 256MB! That’s 4 times the original amount! This has never been done before. And previously, the maximum amount of RAM we could upgrade the XBOX to was 128MB. But now that we are able to increase the RAM to 256MB are there any improvements or increase in gaming performance? Find out in this video!
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  • @Galavis.
    @Galavis. Před 24 dny +1965

    I prefer downloading more ram

  • @ErnestJay88
    @ErnestJay88 Před 24 dny +938

    Upgrade the CPU
    Upgrade the ram
    i bet future video be like "Install faster GPU"
    in the end, modders accidentally create *Xbox 360* by upgrading original Xbox.

    • @NitNek_
      @NitNek_ Před 20 dny +90

      Let them cook...

    • @SonicBoone56
      @SonicBoone56 Před 17 dny +25

      That'd require a whole different architecture lol

    • @ErnestJay88
      @ErnestJay88 Před 17 dny +62

      @@SonicBoone56 i didn't mean "literally" but they upgrading original Xbox as powerful as X360

    • @kraftypk7283
      @kraftypk7283 Před 17 dny +38

      ​@@SonicBoone56you'll require a whole different architecture in a minute young man

    • @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
      @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao Před 16 dny +10

      If they tinkered with the development kit that used G5 PowerMacs, I believe they could create an Xbox 360 PowerMac.

  • @otterpopdotorg
    @otterpopdotorg Před 24 dny +249

    I love this for the "because we can" level of upgrade.

  • @Rexter2k
    @Rexter2k Před 24 dny +286

    I think the actual "pro" of this mod is that eventually we are gonna run out of chips to do the classic 128mb ram mod, and this is a good replacement for that eventuality.

    • @SoloLizzy97
      @SoloLizzy97 Před 18 dny +13

      There will be broken Xbox's to take parts from for a good long while.

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace Před 13 dny +15

      I don't think that's really the point, nor a close coming problem. Compatible ram chips are most likely still in production, and are used in low power, or low capacity computational devices.
      That being said, adding more deditated wam for thuh swerver is always nice.

    • @alext3811
      @alext3811 Před 12 dny +14

      @@TheGamersRace Yeah, you'd be surprised how many embedded systems are using cores based on Pentium era cores (system-on-a-chip) for things like restaurant bump bars, and PBXs (once upon a time anways.

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace Před 12 dny

      @@alext3811 Yeah a lot of people don’t understand that a lot of the little pieces that make up old school tech….make up new school tech too. Yesterdays bleeding edge laptop is tomorrows “bump bars” as you put it.

    • @fffUUUUUU
      @fffUUUUUU Před 8 dny +3

      The CCPway business model: they take free and open source PCB design like this, and then some Chinese сомм unists noname garage shop produces a ton of devices for profit

  • @thomashunt2240
    @thomashunt2240 Před 24 dny +214

    That improvised heat shield was an inspired idea, reusable and simple!

    • @UberMicroRepairs
      @UberMicroRepairs Před 23 dny +4

      not necessary.

    • @UJustGotGamed
      @UJustGotGamed Před 16 dny +2

      @@UberMicroRepairs hot air can easily blow away the tiny filtering caps on the board with how little solder there is on their pads

    • @UberMicroRepairs
      @UberMicroRepairs Před 16 dny

      @@UJustGotGamed nah. Surface tension keeps them in place

    • @ResidentIT_
      @ResidentIT_ Před 15 dny +1

      @@UberMicroRepairs ok pal

    • @UJustGotGamed
      @UJustGotGamed Před 15 dny +2

      @@UberMicroRepairs to a degree but i can confirm from personal experience they don't like to hold on very well

  • @Nihongames
    @Nihongames Před 24 dny +263

    Well I can see some scenarios where additional RAM could theoretically help
    + 720p patches
    + PC Ports or better pc ports
    + Texture improvement mods in games
    + Emulators
    + Sega chihiro games

    • @XenonG
      @XenonG Před 24 dny +21

      Gonna need to combine a 1.4Ghz Pentium III replacement, plus the SEGA Chihiro GPU. Might as well think about a new motherboard. :P

    • @windowsxpnt2347
      @windowsxpnt2347 Před 24 dny +9

      @@XenonG iirc the sega chihiro gpu is just the same one as an og xbox, maybe a bit higher clocked

    • @windowsxpnt2347
      @windowsxpnt2347 Před 24 dny +5

      hopefully this can allow for i/o emulation for wangan mmt1 and 2. would be really cool to be able to finally play those games at home

    • @gameblabla
      @gameblabla Před 24 dny +13

      There are some games patched at 1080i (Halo 2 HD, PSO) that can still run out of memory even with 128MB ram mod. (in the case of halo, he had to dial down the texture cache size to make it work) If they can fix the memory speed issue on the original kernel, it would help us run halo 2 at 1080i better (the guy who made the patch theorized the game was possibly starved for memory bandwidth). Besides that, there's also the port of ReactOS that can benefit. I would like to see where this is going.

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 24 dny +8

      128mb is enought for 720p patches, that need 900mhz at least to run... and few need 1.4ghz cpu to run. The ram is to... install a proper OPERATING SYSTEM on the Xbox making it a MODERN CONSOLE... a Dashboard that can actually act as a operating system... imagine XBox running Android by example, its possible as Android ran so well on 256mb ram phones on the past...

  • @SocialisedMedicine
    @SocialisedMedicine Před 24 dny +191

    My gut instinct is that the stability issues are due to the interposer increasing the length of the PCB traces. I know from personal experience that one traces being just one or two mm longer can cause errors in signaling, even at the slower speeds that these old devices run at. Also this is even more obscure, but changing the width of the traces can cause weirdness with signal reflection. If the interposer uses thinner traces and doesn't perfectly length match them then that's my bet for the core problem.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 Před 24 dny +13

      I'd say it's more likely just a faulty chip or a little extra voltage is needed

    • @mikeyjnz
      @mikeyjnz Před 23 dny +23

      I don't know if it was still a thing in the celeron era the Xbox was built on, but older PC's if you wanted to go above a certain threshold of ram, it'd actually run slower if you didn't have an equivalent increase in the CPU cache memory that stored the increased address range of the system ram. Given the whole point of celerons was same MHz with less caching for cheaper, if this was paired with the CPU upgrade mod, would that unlock the proper speed and reliability of the extra megabytes?

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace Před 13 dny +1

      I'd say that is most likely the least problematic issue here.

    • @sedrosken831
      @sedrosken831 Před 8 dny +2

      @@mikeyjnz You're misunderstanding that concept -- that was an issue primarily with motherboard-resident cache controlled by the system chipset, lasting from the 386 era on up to the Pentium MMX for Intel, and the K6-2/III for AMD. It wasn't necessarily the cache size in and of itself but rather the Tag RAM. Once we kicked over to CPU-resident L2 cache, like on the K6-2+ and III+, every Athlon, the Pentium Pro and onward, that issue either became much less prevalent (in the case of the K6 line) or disappeared entirely.
      In short, you can throw as much RAM at that thing as the chipset will address and there will be no slowdown.

    • @W2wxftcxxtcrw
      @W2wxftcxxtcrw Před 8 dny

      You’re saying there not impedance matched but I doubt it matters that much here.

  • @RedBeardedGriffUK
    @RedBeardedGriffUK Před 24 dny +673

    It would be interesting to see how well Half-Life 2 performs with the additional RAM

    • @pavma7
      @pavma7 Před 24 dny +52

      And StarCraft Ghost

    • @UserX-02
      @UserX-02 Před 24 dny +4

      True

    • @blitzerblazinoah6838
      @blitzerblazinoah6838 Před 24 dny +36

      Doom 3 as well.

    • @johnbrooks6243
      @johnbrooks6243 Před 24 dny +59

      R they coded to take advantage of more available ram?

    • @misterjeffa2128
      @misterjeffa2128 Před 24 dny +68

      Likely no change as they dont expect the increased amounts and look for the stock amount only.

  • @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao

    In 2008 a forum user upgraded to 256mb using chips from a Compaq Presario, but because comparisons between 128 and 256 showed that there were no significant gains, this was left aside.
    Particularly, I wish there was this modification for the Xbox 360 and PS3, they clearly suffer from the memory they have, especially the PS3. As far as I remember, there was a developer version of the x360 with 1GB of RAM, but it is extremely difficult to find, and quite expensive.

    • @BoDoesStuff
      @BoDoesStuff Před 10 dny +4

      Yeah, I remember when this was done on Xbox Scene. Hate seeing these fake titles.

    • @awdrifter3394
      @awdrifter3394 Před 5 dny +1

      PS3 used XDR RAM, so I don't think higher capacity ram chips are as easily available.

    • @Coborlwitz
      @Coborlwitz Před 5 dny +2

      I'm sure it could benefit emulators or applications. Im sure it would never benefit regular games that much. I will say though they have released tools since for patching games for using more ram. on top of that, with the 720p patches, the games run way better on 128mb. at the end of the day idc because id only ever use xbox for games and id use a PC CRT, not an LCD.

  • @michelvanbriemen3459
    @michelvanbriemen3459 Před 22 dny +18

    I like that the Xbox is becoming the Amiga of consoles. Neverending performance upgrades that don't have an immediate application, CPU upgrades / accelerators, memory expansions that weren't possible when the machine was new, it's fantastic.

  • @KennyPham
    @KennyPham Před 24 dny +33

    This and the pentium 3 upgrade are crazy advances for the xbox modding scene.

  • @fenriswolfretro6729
    @fenriswolfretro6729 Před 24 dny +72

    Where this modification will really shine is in improving the performance of current emulators that run on the original xbox. More RAM = more space to load ROMs into for a smoother performance. But they would have to each be modified to take advantage of the extra RAM.

    • @ThexthSurvivor
      @ThexthSurvivor Před 24 dny +1

      I was about to comment the same thing. 👍

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 23 dny +5

      @@fenriswolfretro6729 with more ram you can use HD TEXTURES on HalfLife2 at 720p ok the original Xbox... Or increase the VIEW DISTANCE on games like Morrowind, making the xbox looks like a 360 in graphics.

    • @weinerschnitzel7
      @weinerschnitzel7 Před 23 dny

      There is no point. We already have a hard disk and have been using it for ROM paging for years.

    • @juanmillas665
      @juanmillas665 Před 23 dny +3

      i want Mame on OG xbox for 3d games like Street fighter EX And more acurate speed emulation on Neo Geo

    • @qsxmirage7274
      @qsxmirage7274 Před 23 dny

      Real ram chips will always be faster than virtual memory management ​@@weinerschnitzel7

  • @m3rkinfiniteofwgkta
    @m3rkinfiniteofwgkta Před 24 dny +58

    I like the videos, but every time I look into doing any mod myself the parts aren't being sold anymore.

  • @ianray9137
    @ianray9137 Před 24 dny +15

    Could you imagine the possibilities with a 1.4ghz processor upgrade and 256mb of ram on an original xbox? Holy smokes! I bet if there was a proper bios for something like that, it would be able to do alot more.

    • @ETERNAL_MODS
      @ETERNAL_MODS Před 22 dny +7

      Exactly because the stock cpu is 700mhz with 128mb cache and the tualatin 1.1 to 1.4 are 512k cache and faster speed. A faster ram like that could help emulators for shure :p

  • @trogdo0r179
    @trogdo0r179 Před 24 dny +14

    As you were bending the pins, I was like oh this is not good.

  •  Před 24 dny +59

    I legit misheard "Prehistoricman" to "PrehistoricNAND"

    • @ChrisEbz
      @ChrisEbz Před 24 dny

      I thought it was prehistoricman until I read this 😂

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU Před 24 dny +1

      😂😂😂 i like "Nand" a lot more

    • @LenoxFilms
      @LenoxFilms Před 23 dny +1

      PrehistoricRAM

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Před 15 dny

      Both are accurate at this rate

  • @amshermansen
    @amshermansen Před 24 dny +41

    Gotta appreciate the continued efforts to refuse to let this console die.
    The chips should come pre-bent though imo. Just to ensure a safe and consistent install.

  • @rtbear674
    @rtbear674 Před 20 dny +5

    I upgraded the hardware so it uses nvidia rtx 4080, 64gb ram, nvme ssd, now it run windows too, then can play xbox games.

    • @sunman2566
      @sunman2566 Před 20 hodinami

      There's an Xbox emulator?

  • @brandogg
    @brandogg Před 24 dny +108

    Maybe if this mod came out 20 years ago it would have some real potential, at least for making a better homebrew/media center Xbox, but can't imagine any developers doing anything with this in 2024.

    • @Ichijoe2112
      @Ichijoe2112 Před 24 dny +13

      It did, right along with the 1.3Ghz PIII mod. The difference was you either scraped the Chips of a doner board, or you bought a batch of 'em to do it. Problem is after Twenty Years of NON PRODUCTION, supply finally went the way of the Dodo as they say. This update (To that Mod), address that last issue. As to what you'd use it for?
      That would likely. Be one of two things
      Sega Chihiro (i.e. Virtual Cop), or a full XBOX SDK environment. Again. Same today, as it was Twenty years ago.

    • @Puretea4711
      @Puretea4711 Před 24 dny +5

      true... the box is dead af.... also the mod szene for the og box

    • @Wobble2007
      @Wobble2007 Před 24 dny +12

      You don't like the idea of using the Xbox as a classic Win98 & DOS PC?, I do, got to say, being able to just plug in an Xbox to my VGA monitor or CRT TV and firing up my favourite late 90s PC games sounds incredible, setting up a Win98 PC can be a little tedious, both from a hardware and software point of view, the OGXBOX literally has everything under the hood for complete 80s through to 2003 PC support, imagine not having to mess with drivers and settings, and turning retro PC gaming into a plug & play console experience, yes please on that for me, even Amiga OS could be run complete with MIDI and soundbanks audio compatibility.

    • @afewspokesloose2699
      @afewspokesloose2699 Před 24 dny +2

      ​@@Wobble2007
      That sounds interesting. Has there been developments ademend stuff like Dosbox to utilise the memory?

    • @marcelosoares7148
      @marcelosoares7148 Před 24 dny +1

      ​@@Wobble2007Can you do a dual boot setup with that? Like switching freely between the Xbox retail mode and the "PC mode".

  • @official_kex
    @official_kex Před 24 dny +81

    Why would anyone upgrade the RAM of their original XBOX if it has no use? *BECAUSE THEY FKIN CAN* - And i think thats amazing

    • @JoshLineberry
      @JoshLineberry Před 24 dny +2

      256mb of ram would actually be so amazing for me! It's something I've been wanting for a long time!

    • @another3997
      @another3997 Před 24 dny +8

      Amazing? Yes. Practical? Not really. Dangerous to the health of your Xbox? Possibly. I mean, I can chop my hand off if I want to... but just because I can, doesn't mean it's a good idea. 😂

    • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
      @BlueEyedVibeChecker Před 23 dny +2

      @another3997
      It may be a good idea if you're hungry.
      You may be out of food, but you're not out of options.

    • @shmapple29
      @shmapple29 Před 6 dny

      @@another3997it’s a step forward is how I look at it eventually we might find a way on some consoles to upgrade hardware and keep the functionality at better frame rates and or resolutions

    • @syedsakifrahman3021
      @syedsakifrahman3021 Před 5 dny +1

      @@BlueEyedVibeChecker @BlueEyedVibeChecker Since your body does not process food at over 100% efficiency, (literally impossible) you'd actually be using up more energy though blood loss and digestion processing cost. So, not a good idea but on the argument of freedom of choice, it still makes sense.

  • @F1dude.
    @F1dude. Před 24 dny +33

    Damn. I really want an og xbox. Maybe sometime in the future

    • @FoxUnitNell
      @FoxUnitNell Před 24 dny

      Their clear green xboxes were very cool, really the most appealing console at launch considering it was playing pc games that needed systems that cost three times as much as an xbox.

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU Před 24 dny +2

      Ive been seeing the prices slowly rising these past couple years. Id say the sooner the better

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 Před 24 dny +1

      ​@@0JayDoubleUAgreed.. even a basic model would be ideal..

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU Před 24 dny +1

      @@garystinten9339 absolutely. Especially since they have a fairly easy maintainance and easy to mod if u wish

    • @kenabi
      @kenabi Před 24 dny +1

      i've got 3 of them i want to do all these mods to, but they keep adding to the list. the fiends. making them obsolete before i can even get them.

  • @tigheklory
    @tigheklory Před 24 dny +16

    Awesome video Tito! New out a 1.2 Ghz CPU upgrade in it too!

    • @David-gr8rh
      @David-gr8rh Před 24 dny +4

      Don't you mean 1.4ghz

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 23 dny +3

      @@David-gr8rh 1.233 pentium 3 or 1.3ghz Celeron tualatins are way cheaper than the 1.4-1.5ghz ones.

  • @edale2
    @edale2 Před 24 dny +28

    The thing to do here is to start with 2 working unmodded original Xboxes. Take the RAM chips out of one, and put them in the other, making that one a 128 MB mod; then put these chips in the other Xbox, making it a 256 MB mod.
    No waste.

    • @England91
      @England91 Před 11 dny +1

      You mean like stacking them on top of each other??

    • @edale2
      @edale2 Před 11 dny +1

      @@England91 that's actual the method on a v1.6 motherboard, but on v1.0-1.5 motherboards there are 4 unpopulated sets of RAM solder pads, you just need to solder the 4 RAM chips from the donor board into those 4 slots to do the 128 MB RAM upgrade. After that it's just a matter of having firmware capable of utilizing the RAM.

    • @fadingbeleifs
      @fadingbeleifs Před 7 dny +1

      Why?? You can get brand new RAM chips for it today!

    • @edale2
      @edale2 Před 7 dny +2

      @@fadingbeleifs For if you're like me and have 8 spare Xboxes sitting on a shelf, lol.

  • @AcuardThe3rd
    @AcuardThe3rd Před 24 dny +11

    Wouldn't this be a good alternative to do the 128 MB RAM upgrades for Xboxes that are 1.6 motherboards? Since they only have four slots because this would work better versus trying to double stack RAM?

    • @JoshLineberry
      @JoshLineberry Před 24 dny +6

      If this would alow us to do 128mb on 1.6s with 4 regular chips that would be amazing!

  • @SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
    @SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim Před 24 dny +6

    This would of been a cool *256K subscribers special* if you had waited just a day or two ❤

  • @alexgonzales89
    @alexgonzales89 Před 24 dny +3

    This is what the scene is all about doing mods with less the stellar results to hopefully one day be stellar results lmao

  • @spragzpc1
    @spragzpc1 Před 8 dny +1

    Can't wait to see where this ram mod takes us in the future

  • @kirahirosho363
    @kirahirosho363 Před 8 dny +3

    I forget the guy but he installed a 1.4ghz P3 from a rack mount server onto the board youtube channel Retro Renegade Repairs

  • @alanbenson1505
    @alanbenson1505 Před 24 dny +6

    Thank you for this video. I am going to dust off my Crystal Xbox and do this at some point.
    At around the 9:00 mark. If you prep the motherboard pads with a thin coat of solder before tacking the chip, the chip installation will go easier. I would have prepped the pads, added more flux, then tacked a few pins as you did. I would hot air this into place only because I have a board pre-heater. I get why you did it how you did. I'd have drag-soldered it too without a board heater , just with the pad prep steps I mentioned earlier. Great job all round. Subbed!
    For context, micro-soldering has been my job since 1989.
    PS. My Crystal Xbox is my Guinea pig machine. Anything that proves good on that makes it's way into my green machine..

  • @DannyTan6675
    @DannyTan6675 Před 23 dny +3

    Having two games run at the same time would be useful for a quick resume fucntion, while the suspended game can be partially unloaded to allow for the main game to take up more resources, having a quick resume function would allow you to swap between games quickly. Not very useful in practice, but a neat function all the same.

  • @Innumerical_
    @Innumerical_ Před 24 dny +4

    a 3D printed template of some sort for bending the pins would be cool.
    Create mounting holes on the PCB that lock in to pins on the template. The template would have beveled edges to press the "legs" onto with a length of firm plastic.

  • @prototype_pandad6536
    @prototype_pandad6536 Před 24 dny +8

    well i dont think ive clicked on a video so fast. I freaking love this channel

  • @garystinten9339
    @garystinten9339 Před 24 dny +2

    Hoping this sparks some interest back into the modding scene to have someone patch software to add an option to tweak variable ram usage so the system itself can determine (equivalent of adjustable bar like more modern pc systems today) the ideal amount of ram as well as manual slider option for tweakers to get the ultimate setup.

  • @x66Hawk66x
    @x66Hawk66x Před 24 dny +4

    This is pretty cool, one thing is for worth thinking about, it could open up allot of possibility's for the home brew community with PC ports ETC. I will probably stick with my 128mb build for the foreseeable future, but I will be keeping a close eye on this project. I know JCRocky5 has been moving in this direction with his softmod, I think he has even considered 512mb support. It's crazy that even after this console has past the 2 decade mark, it still has such an active community.

  • @vas729
    @vas729 Před 22 dny +1

    Tito is the Mr. Rogers of the modding scene and I am here for it!

  • @chriskalkman3815
    @chriskalkman3815 Před 22 dny +2

    This will be good for people who just need replacement RAM chips.

  • @hongosorongo
    @hongosorongo Před 24 dny +10

    Amazing video as always! Along with the ModXO modchip this is probably the best modded XBox on earth. The only thing missing would be the replacement of the processor for the 1GHz that Retro Renegade Repairs made. Great content Tito!

    • @ffviifakeremake9997
      @ffviifakeremake9997 Před 24 dny +3

      All we have to do now is put a PCI slot in and replace the Processor and we have the most powerful Xbox ever modded 🤣

    • @nekomasteryoutube3232
      @nekomasteryoutube3232 Před 24 dny +1

      @@ffviifakeremake9997 imagine if we could tap into the motherboards chipset to add another IDE channel so that the DVD drive and Hard Disk can be ont heir own IDE controllers (and allow SSD upgrades to run at full speed while the DVD drive is being accessed)
      Also PCI would be interesting but I doubt that could be done like my idea for another IDE Controler

    • @hongosorongo
      @hongosorongo Před 24 dny

      @@nekomasteryoutube3232 You never know man... Most of these mods were just a dream at some point and look how far the modding scene has gone. Maybe it's a matter of time? *crossing fingers*

    • @Urist_Mythrilforged
      @Urist_Mythrilforged Před 24 dny

      Throw in an HDMI mod and it gets better.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 Před 24 dny +1

      Or make a custom mobo with a SATA controller so we can use XB1 BluRay drives

  • @LDCoronel1
    @LDCoronel1 Před 24 dny +3

    In fact the interposer pins should be shorter than the original 2001 ram chips. That allows to solder the pins without the need to bend them too much or the interposer could be designed with the pins on the pcb and that could help to solder on a 90° inclination

  • @GameSack
    @GameSack Před 24 dny +2

    One game I know of that runs into RAM limitations is Out Run 2... the first one, not Coast 2 Coast. There's a certain hill in one stage that can get a little juddery when you go over it and it lasts maybe a second. At least I'm assuming it's main RAM since it was originally made for the Xbox arcade hardware... not sure if there were any GPU or VRAM differences in that. Of course the game would likely have to be hacked to take advantage of any extra memory.
    BTW was the Xbox outputting at 8K in your video? Or was it just playing an 8K file downscaled internally to 480p or whatever?

  • @BawkBawkBawk666
    @BawkBawkBawk666 Před 9 dny

    As someone of whom the art of soldering is lost upon, you sure did make the process look easy.

  • @dakotart1984
    @dakotart1984 Před 23 dny +3

    Using a modified xblast chip would allow you to test each memory module one at a time installing it. Refer to Modzville's xblast videos. Popping all 4 chips off and roux chambeau'ing the install of 8 and assuming you'd get them right on the first shot is ambitious. What should be done is remove each stock chip one at a time testing functionality of each in xblast. Replacing them in order, then proceeding to the empty slots. Another thing not covered was emulation and 3rd party software. This is known to have significant performance leaps with a 128mb console. Its also worth noting that module stacking has existed.

  • @gabrielbraga7670
    @gabrielbraga7670 Před 24 dny +4

    This mod could really help emulators specially N64, if i remember correctly there is a memory problem when cartridge games are to big for 64mb so the emulator store some files in the HDD slowering the overal performance.

  • @auugh64
    @auugh64 Před 24 dny +1

    i enjoy your videos man

  • @DaiAtlus79
    @DaiAtlus79 Před 24 dny +3

    i would love to see someone like Modern Vintage Gamer chime in on things dealing with this ram, as he wrote the N64 emulator and some others on the Xbox, and the ram could be put to better use as shared VRAM with a rewritten BIOS and Kernel ie not just replacing a dashboard, but rewriting the implementation of binary executables like heavier emulators and DosBox or other ways to run things on it, like say a VM environment to let one boot OLDER operating systems like Windows 98 so one could run older PC games with the addition of a Keyboard and Mouse. Linux would be easy, as one could simply port a low-footprint distro like a 32 bit Puppy Linux version but built with modern 32 bit packages from Debian, for example. You could make it into a server for things like Insignia, with the extra ram being there to host other players on private games. Im suspecting with how the performance with the 8k video that cut to 1/4 ie 1080p one could possibly get the hardware to run that level of video using the extra memory as Vram. As well, Texture upgrade packs and upscaled ports could also be a thing, BUT pair this upgrade with a better CPU like the upgrades that can be done now to double that CPU speed and you could really have something there!!!

    • @Moved2Rumble
      @Moved2Rumble Před 23 dny

      You can already boot Windows 98 on the Original XBOX, naturally the additional memory would help, especially when running other applications.

  • @technocolossus7763
    @technocolossus7763 Před 24 dny +6

    Impractical, but why am I tempted to do it all the same? Who can I tell to shut up and take my money?

  • @user-gt3pg6us9t
    @user-gt3pg6us9t Před 3 dny +1

    Man this is an absolutely amazing channel! Good stuff man

  • @zebatov
    @zebatov Před dnem +1

    Morrowind would run worlds better with more RAM. Once you start taking items and moving them around the world, the game would eventually freeze after only five minutes of play. It runs perfectly on the Series X, with no slowdown or freezing issues.

  • @DavitTheCore
    @DavitTheCore Před 24 dny +6

    Damn Half Life 2 might have benefitted from more RAM. Well, a Pentium 3 would be the actual upgrade that would make Half Life 2 work very well.

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 23 dny +4

      @@DavitTheCore you can overclock every original Xbox to 900mhz fsb 133 to 166 the max of the XBOX Nforce2 chip, and HalfLife2 runs flawless even in 720p with 128mb ram... But with 256mb you can USE HD TEXTURES on HalfLife2 like the PC... the only that the XBOX port lacks, it uses SD textures because of the low ram.

    • @DavitTheCore
      @DavitTheCore Před 23 dny

      @@SargentoDuke I guess that could very well work! I'm not sure the end result would be as good as a Pentium 3 modded Xbox (just like shown by modern vintage gamer).

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 22 dny

      @@DavitTheCore Xbox had a way better Motherboard than a pentiumIII and way better optimized software

  • @Sun-ut9gr
    @Sun-ut9gr Před 23 dny +3

    Been thinking about this a bit lol. Using flat flex like that is not ideal. I'd suggest castellated terminations for the next interposer revision. The connections would be more secure and the extra real estate can be used to address some of the issues regarding the RAM timings!

    • @jdownj
      @jdownj Před 18 dny

      The issue is that none of the accessible PCB manufacturers will do castellated edges on such a fine pitch… hence the hack

    • @Sun-ut9gr
      @Sun-ut9gr Před 18 dny

      @@jdownj That very well could be a problem. I know it's possible because I've seen fine pitch castellations, but they were on ITAR regulated assemblies.

    • @jdownj
      @jdownj Před 18 dny

      @@Sun-ut9gr that brings up an interesting point. I have no idea if PCB technology is regulated in any way… BUT the board manufacturers that can work down to that small are probably busy doing stuff that is more profitable for them than a hobbyist project like this…

  • @exnihilo1910
    @exnihilo1910 Před 24 dny

    Man, I will never get tired of the console animations in your videos. As always the rest of the video is great but the animations... Wow!

  • @BlankCanvas222
    @BlankCanvas222 Před 2 dny

    There aren't a lot of videos about the old Xbox so whenever I see one I gotta watch it

  • @chasefournier
    @chasefournier Před 24 dny +4

    The PCB design is really nice! Would be really cool if you could add higher storage ram modules. Like a 512mb chip to the PCB. End up with 4gb of RAM haha

    • @hexidev
      @hexidev Před 24 dny

      Doesnt have the same architecture so it wont work...

  • @UserX-02
    @UserX-02 Před 24 dny +30

    What could an Xbox do with such memory

    • @SILVRXIII
      @SILVRXIII Před 24 dny +16

      Finish the video

    • @R3TR0--93
      @R3TR0--93 Před 24 dny +16

      my taxes?

    • @thecircuitbox
      @thecircuitbox Před 24 dny +6

      Nothing, literally.

    • @saddlesore_adventures
      @saddlesore_adventures Před 24 dny +20

      Nothing useful. Each home-brew app, each game must be modified to utilize additional RAM. As there are no devs working on software patches and the mod itself is not trivial, it will never gain meaningful user-base. One day you may see some random game patched, or some app with 256mb support released, but that's it.

    • @pavma7
      @pavma7 Před 24 dny +3

      Run StarCraft Ghost

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone56 Před 17 dny +1

    God, the OG Xbox community has never stopped progressing at all. Never died, never slumped. I wish I could say the same for other beloved consoles, but truthfully most console scenes go dead for awhile, like the PS3 community currently. And some consoles have yet to have a vibrant homebrew and modding community, like fact the Neo Geo Pocket Color has no modding or homebrew development aside from IPS and flash cart mods. Makes me wonder what exactly keeps the OG Xbox community still thriving.

  • @Stinky0368
    @Stinky0368 Před dnem

    Don’t stop making these videos, I love it

  • @KenjiiD
    @KenjiiD Před 24 dny +3

    Think this is the earliest I've ever caught a video after upload😂

  • @AmaroqStarwind
    @AmaroqStarwind Před 24 dny +20

    We have CPU upgrades, we have RAM upgrades, we have DVD ROM upgrades, and we have SSD mods…
    Now we just need a GPU upgrade.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 Před 24 dny +2

      At this point we might as well go all in with a custom mobo running a modded Xbox BIOS. There must be a surplus of older CPUs and GPUs out there with similar architectures like Core2Duo and certain Nvidia GPUs that we could plop onto said board with a skt775 DDR2 memory controller and a GB or 2 of RAM

    • @Ichijoe2112
      @Ichijoe2112 Před 24 dny +1

      That would probably do more for Ops 1fps YooTube at 8k woes. Least we forget the XBOX basically had a gForce 2GTS Chip inside it. Which was already old by the time they put it there.

    • @8bitnation419
      @8bitnation419 Před 24 dny

      RTX 4090

    • @u263a3
      @u263a3 Před 24 dny

      @@AmaroqStarwind might as well buy a new PC

    • @Wobble2007
      @Wobble2007 Před 24 dny +3

      @@Ichijoe2112 The NV2A is basically a GeForce 3.5, closer to a GF4 which is a powerful GPU relative to its generation, it is more than enough for games of that era, especially considering that GPU was designed with 1024x768p to 1280x960p in mind, and the OGXB only needs to render @ 240p-480p, add to that almost zero OS overheads, fixed hardware optimizations and the bare-metal API, you could say it squeezes at least 50% more performance vs its desktop equivalent. It's just starved of RAM, unfortunately.

  • @mattliston1215
    @mattliston1215 Před 24 dny +1

    this opens the door up to kickass Morrowind modding. Between cpu upgrades, the ability to overclock the front bus (which got several of my OG's to over 800mhz), and the large amount of ram, homebrew just got a kick in the ass to pave the way to more fun weekends!!

  • @WiKiTWoNKa
    @WiKiTWoNKa Před 24 dny +1

    So did you only put four new RAM chips on the top side and not on the bottom side I really couldn't tell. Is there more slots open on the bottom side?

  • @vguyver2
    @vguyver2 Před 24 dny +3

    So we have a mod now for both a faster processer and more Ram for less faster loading and less crashes.
    Just something as a console gamer that throws me off since I am very old school.

  • @brode562
    @brode562 Před 24 dny +29

    almost 20 minute video and you're not gonna show any games running with the ram upgrade? not gonna show 720p video playing on it at full speed? what a waste of time.

    • @joshsimpson1739
      @joshsimpson1739 Před 24 dny +1

      😊😊

    • @NotTheRealBBC
      @NotTheRealBBC Před 24 dny +3

      Agreed. A lot of fluff dressed up nice

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke Před 24 dny +1

      720p needs a CPU upgrade to run... or overclock the stock CPU to 900mhz, or change the CPU to 1ghz or more with a 370 interpoder, that is WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THIS RAM UPGRADE, having a new ram modules that are DDR2 adapted for the original xbox is awesome, as its a "new part" not like the CPU that are "limited old hardware". Anyway, all XBOX can run at 900mhz even 1ghz from stock, overclocking by software.
      There are no patches for use that ram, but for example games like MORROWIND you can use 256mb de ram to increase the VIEW DISTANCE.

  • @WeanaBala
    @WeanaBala Před 6 dny

    your content is a perfect mix of informative and mesmerizing! ✨

  • @stevensims3342
    @stevensims3342 Před 2 dny

    ICs just blow my mind. They comprise pretty much all your tech and are pretty involved to setup and configure into an assembly like a gadget.

  • @doodlebroSH
    @doodlebroSH Před 24 dny +15

    Recommend spending a little more time finding an actual use case to demo this. Playing an 8K video is an utterly useless benchmark.

    • @another3997
      @another3997 Před 24 dny +3

      Which is exactly what he said in the video... but he also said, there's nothing that can take advantage of the extra RAM at this time. I guess listening and comprehension aren't your strong points. 😆

  • @alectrona6400
    @alectrona6400 Před 24 dny +5

    5 views in one minute? bro fell off

  • @secondleasegamer8312
    @secondleasegamer8312 Před 7 dny +1

    Time to do an Ultimate Xbox with 256mb RAM Overclocked with a 1.4ghz CPU and a 1tb SSD + CFW, oh and that new HDMI Mod.

  • @sharoyveduchi
    @sharoyveduchi Před 22 dny +1

    ReactOS can run on the original Xbox. 256MB of RAM is more than enough for a normal ReactOS install on a normal PC. If ReactOS got further support, it could eventually be an option for treating your Xbox like a Windows XP PC

  • @icedlottie
    @icedlottie Před 20 dny

    always love to see your vids on new life being brought to the xbox... ive been a fiend for the xbox since 2002 and still play on my childhood 1.0 model regularly! ive even opened it up a few times to fix the dvd drive and replace that pesky clock cap...... keep up the good work!!!

  • @Em.P14
    @Em.P14 Před 9 dny

    i am astonished that this works from both hardware and software standpoints

  • @rv_jumpshotz1139
    @rv_jumpshotz1139 Před 23 dny

    I’m so happy to see the scene still thriving! Long live the greatest modded console

  • @kikujade
    @kikujade Před 24 dny +2

    this + morrowind hack so that the game recognizes the extra ram? I'm sold. looking to buy a pre-modded one if anyone knows a good seller

  • @ZeroX252
    @ZeroX252 Před 24 dny +2

    It seems like a 3d-printed jig for bending the interposers gently and evenly could also prevent the issue. I do wonder if just making the interposer a flex PCB instead of a solid PCB wouldn't also work though.

  • @107bande
    @107bande Před 20 dny +1

    Now that the 1GHz CPU Upgrade and the HDMI mod and we got a perfect Xbox

  • @dmxdxl
    @dmxdxl Před 24 dny +1

    Damn, I watched this video and saw your sub count is at 255K, woulda been truly insane if it was magically at 256K for this video, like poetic almost haha, oh well!!...

  • @dinosqautch6941
    @dinosqautch6941 Před 24 dny

    I’d never try this mod. But I love stuff like this great video man!

  • @TheMavastone
    @TheMavastone Před 24 dny +1

    Thanks for this information:)

  • @itchyisvegeta
    @itchyisvegeta Před 23 dny

    Wow, this is an amazing mod. Can't wait to see what else comes of it.

  • @Alex13mod
    @Alex13mod Před 23 dny

    another great video brother!

  • @jooei2810
    @jooei2810 Před 9 dny

    That is some nice soldering action!

  • @123cooldude500
    @123cooldude500 Před 22 dny +1

    Fun fact: There's a certain model of PlayStation 1 (SCPH-5000) that you can upgrade to 8MB of RAM for better homebrew compatibility.

  • @mirrakirra
    @mirrakirra Před 8 dny

    Pretty sure this has been done before, but it's still rare and difficult. Good job accomplishing this.

  • @spyczech
    @spyczech Před 24 dny

    So do game framerstes have ant different? What about homebrew like quake or doom

  • @barowt
    @barowt Před 24 dny

    What would happen if you siliconed some heatsinks to the ram?

  • @pezcore2142
    @pezcore2142 Před 24 dny

    whats the TDP on that nvidia chip.. is it possible to replace it with another chip from the same 'kelvin' generation ? i noticed it seems to be in the geforce 3/4 series.. would it be possible to put say a NV28(geforce 4 4800) chip in the originals place? just occurred to me that the NV28s ran on an 8x AGP bus, would that be an issue ?

  • @hozeb87
    @hozeb87 Před 24 dny +1

    "we quadrupled the ram, the effect? it makes the games run worse"

  • @Dekerus
    @Dekerus Před 24 dny

    Dude, you have the best intro music on CZcams. Just my opinion. ❤

  • @masterviper420
    @masterviper420 Před 22 dny +1

    why would u install new ram and go strait to 8k video i would have went to 1080 p trying to over load it was dumb at this time if the development

  • @denverreid1875
    @denverreid1875 Před dnem +1

    Considering the sorry state of Xemu compared to emulators of the same generation, could Prehistoricman's BIOS modifications constitute any considerable performance/stability improvements for PC emulation? Would be nice to see the same interest people show to the hardware modding community make it's way towards the Xbox emulation community.

  • @zombiekilldemon
    @zombiekilldemon Před 24 dny +2

    Wait... will this mean we can get the rest of the Sega chihiro arcade games that don't work even with the 128mb ram mod? Like Gundam Battle Operation Simulator or the full game version of Outrun 2.

  • @ffviifakeremake9997
    @ffviifakeremake9997 Před 24 dny +2

    This is so interesting, your last video on the Raspberry Pi Pico blow my mind. Which Raspberry Pi Pico should I pick up to mod the original Xbox? I've seen one called the Raspberry Pi Pico W and I'd like to see more Raspberry Pi modding in the future 👍

  • @knuckles31312
    @knuckles31312 Před 24 dny

    Wow I get to watch this one within an hour of posting!! Hellyeah!

  • @nintendofan44_
    @nintendofan44_ Před 8 dny

    so does that mean a new 3ds can play xbox games or is there a cpu or gpu limitation

  • @DimerNL
    @DimerNL Před 13 dny

    Any reason you dont tin your pads before placing the chip?

  • @erikhendershot9802
    @erikhendershot9802 Před 24 dny

    Would this be a good alternative for a 128meg mod for the 1.6 board without stacking chips?

  • @jamesdavies686
    @jamesdavies686 Před 24 dny +1

    There's only a couple of things that can take advantage of the 128MB ram upgrade let alone this one.

    • @another3997
      @another3997 Před 24 dny

      Which is basically what he said in the video... in fact he laboured the point.

  • @juninhosa4260
    @juninhosa4260 Před 23 dny

    Great idea! Keep going !!

  • @nothingelse1520
    @nothingelse1520 Před dnem

    Thief Deadly Shadows had the levels cut in half with loading zones because the OG Xbox RAM was so low. On the PC version there is a mod to remove the loading zones completely, hypothetically if you mod the BIOS to see the RAM the PC mod could be ported to the XBox version.

  • @TheLegendryZelda
    @TheLegendryZelda Před 24 dny

    Not being individual pins I think it helps a whole lot better to bend them all at once and it does looks more modern

  • @Thewickedjon
    @Thewickedjon Před 24 dny

    tito uploaded a new video?
    0k, time for my weekly therapeutic session.

  • @kozad86
    @kozad86 Před 17 dny +1

    OG Xbox is GOAT.