Getting The Right Bike Fit - Should You Size Up Or Down? | GCN Tech Show Ep.171
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Do you usually size up or down? Let us know đ
I'm 15 with a 56 frame but it fits really small!!
I go with folding bikes. They are pretty static for the most part. Same size with adjustable seat and handlebar height. My Bike Friday does have a fit and I think the frame I got is slightly too big for me after riding my winter bike all season. That makes me sad. I may keep riding it when I travel though. I feel safer on my old Swift.
I just get the frame size that has the right fit with a 140mm stem
Iâm lucky to fit perfectly on a size 51 with a 110mm stem, which is just the way I like it.
@@Clashing0N put your cleats forward then, because thereâs a big chance of toe overlap with a 140mm stem. Or run short crank arms.
the last bike I bought, the frame size choice was dictaded by availiability of bike at given small price
The reason why GCN viewers havenât had their parts stolen is because most of them donât ride for transport / errands.
Truth
I ride for errands, but typically haul my bike into the grocer, post office etc. Leaving a bike out of site invites theft where I live.
I have an ancient and unfashionable rustbucket for urban utility. Not only does nobody want to nick it, they wouldn't have the right size tools to strip itđ€Ł I mainly use the lock to stop anyone grabbing my handbag from the basket on the way past
@@jojoUK120 I think that just highlights more problems with our society.
Exactly
"Fit before you buy" - Bikefitjames
what a ledge
yes. bikefitjames is a smart boi
Re stem length: whatâs one manâs âtwitchyâ, is another manâs âmore responsiveâ.
Depending on the bike's geo (HT angle, fork rake...) that increased responsiveness may be welcome too. And different bar geos can chill it out again.
lol
Also upper body strength/etc. most riders canât do more than a few pushups, for those of us who can do many, issues with handling like twitch or crosswind with deep section wheels are really kind of hard to comprehend
YAY! Great to see Ollie and Manon working together! Always enjoy their viewpoints.
Winter 2019/20, while shopping for my new Specialist Tarmac, I was fitted to the 58cm, but I wanted to test the 61cm. It was night and day for me. The 61cm was so much better for me, I felt more comfortable and felt like I moved faster on the higher frame. I know you mention that you prefer smaller frames in this video, but when I see someone on the road, I always find the larger frame riders to catch my eye better.
I have always gone with Manon's view, "you can make a smaller bike bigger." Plus I've found that a slightly smaller bike is more responsive. I size down from a small to x-small.
What height are you ?
I swapped my 110mm bar stem for a 90mm one thanks to GCN How To videos. First trip out and descending at 35mph hoping I had the skill to handle the "twitchier" feel was completely overshadowed by me desperately hoping I had done a good enough job and the bars didn't come off in my hand.
Several months in and still attached!!
For gravel, technical riding a larger frame will give more stability. On the road, a larger frame may allow for a more confortable aero position.
I've always followed the same mantra as Manon - you can make a smaller bike bigger. But sadly, I'm of the Conner mould and most of my bikes look silly anyway :(
I'm addicted to this show. Always having fun.
I swear to god, the topic of the week literally relates to something involving my bike / new bike every second week
I personally went smaller frame and always would, they just feel so much more nimble
Manon should clearly be in charge of the Bike Vault.
Clearly.
Manon looking at the snacks through glass - priceless!
If you haven't watched their epic ride they released a few days ago, you should. It is worth it just see Manon standing outside of a shop looking at treats through the window. She looked like a little kid with no money, standing outside of a chocolate shop. LOL!
I love snacks
Last year, I picked up the Specialized Allez Sport in size 56. I'm just shy of 6 ft at 165 - 175 lbs and sometimes i do feel that i could have gotten a 54.. but the 54 felt too small and kiddy-like as if I was on one of my shorter friend's bike. Maybe some custom larger components might have added to my comfort if i went that route but for my first road bike at 50-80 miles ridden/week, my 56 feels absolutely spot on without getting digital bike fitting.
15:06 The way Manon's face lit up when Snacks of the Week was announced.
I ride a slightly smaller bike for work (and fun) and I appreciate the smaller bike for quick dismount, the quick response
I put my measurements into Canyon's online system. The numbers were crunched and it came back with 'We don't have a bike to fit you.' Oh to be average!
Are you a four legged alien maybe?
@@roebbiej Long back, short legs. Canyons loss....bought a Dolan.
@@SuperNeilB Dolan bikes are great, I have their cross bike. Very underated brand and based in Ormskirk, Lancashire.
@@ridethelakes I ride my GXT past their office at least twice a week :)
âNo, Conners bike looks greatâ as your voice raises 5 octaves. Love the playfulness of your channel đđŒ
And to answer your question, I have tried a size up and found it to be a bit uncomfortable when emergency stops presented themselves. I felt like I had a long way to go before I could get my feet planted. The size down gives me a safer feeling when coming to a sudden stop and the extra frame rigidity is nice to have when putting the power down and cornering.
Thanks guys!
An additional consideration: a smaller frame with the same fit geometry usually results in more exposed seatpost, which will create more compliance and a less harsh ride
I totally agree, smaller is better!! You cannot make the triangle smaller if you already have a big bike. Just to mention, I did have issues with the toe overlap, but that was only in few occasions, so I stick to the smaller sizes even for next bikes.
I have been riding a 56 for years, but after retiring and spending a lot more time on the bike, I found that I was uncomfortable in that size cockpit. I now ride a 58. Every LBS I enter makes a point of telling me that the bike is too big. The fact is, at 69 years old I can stretch out more comfortably on a 58 with a 120mm stem. 2000 miles later, I've had nothing but fun!
Iâm exactly between two sizes of Canyons scale, things I take into consideration in addition to what was mentioned are: ape index (proportion between height and wingspan), inseam lenght and body flexibility in general
I love that! Ape index
My first Canyon Endurace I bought was the XL, well my seat post was maxed out but Canyons measurement meter said I could fit a XL. Well, I sent the XL back, bought the 2XL, got a bike fit and I canât be more happy, I also went from 175mm cranks to 170mm cranks.
Great video, I just figured in a fitting, that my frame (top tube) is too large and I need to sit more foreward... the question is, get a smaller frame or maybe try and trick first with a straight seat post...
Size down! Iâve never had an XS anything in my life apart from my bike frame! đ
Hahaha same :D
Cheeky...! Made me smile đ
I tend to go for the large frame set: age brings me more upright, so a larger head tube is preferred
I was in the middle and went larger rather than smaller, but it worked for me. My natural cadence is quite low and I feel most comfortable pushing hard on the pedals, so bigger frame and longer cranks suits my riding style.
The size of the shifters makes a big difference. Although I got an one size smaller frame. The shifters of Shimano 105 R7000 (on a CAAD 13) have are long. More than expected.
I tried a 120mm stem and it felt like I was wrestling with the bike when Iâm off the saddle. Harder to rock the bike side to side. I feel comfy with 100-110mm stems. Anything shorter feels unstable in long steep winding descents.
My first carbon bike that I built (cheap Chinese frame) was a 56cm, I went for this size because my old steel framed bike from back in the day was this size. When I decided to upgrade my bike I went into my local bike shop to try a smaller (54cm) frame as I had a feeling the 56cm was a bit too big for me. This was the best decision I made as the 54cm is way more comfortable for me.
How tall are you
@@brettwilliams5131 178cm
I'm buying a turbo creo and got online fit for a 54.9 inch tube which is actually exactly what the medium is. I'm a bit leggy for my size 32.75 inseam but it's a hard purchase cause I have to drive 8 hours to go see it, just letting u know what's going on in my life I'm sure u have problems of ur own đ
I did get a 54 Cervelo P3 while I have a Riddly 56... indeed there are options to make the Cervélo much more comfortable, but they are expensive.
It depends on your individual geometry.
Shorter legs with a longer torso, best would be smaller frame longer stem.
Shorter crank arms.
Ollie went full-on mickey mode when he said "Conner's bike looks great" lol
I thought he was doing Mr. Bill from Saturday night live. đ
Hmmm... I thought it was the houseelf from the Harry Potter movies...
Garmin always allowed for a change of the pedal body. The plastic (?) interface with the cleat wore away allowing too much float. The only change now is that there are different bodies available. The strain gauges were always on the pedals spindle.
Back to square one. We are talking about is 5 contact points, saddle, pedals and shifters apex. We should keep same even in different sizes.
Which will affect the handling and outlook for sure. we should put safety caution in consideration. moreover, most of the time, stack will be bigger different instead of reach when in one size different.
THIS IS MY QUESTION ALL DAY LONG!!
THANK YOU!
Our pleasure!
At 5'10" I tend to sit between M & L frames but always opt for an M frame and longer stem
Such a good subject!! Thanks for the excellent and meaningful content. Is it bad that I love Manon so much more than Emma?
Love the quickfire bike vault but want more time looking at pretty bikes :D
For tech show Q&A. Question: I'd like to upgrade my SRAM Force AXS eTap to use the new 56/43T Red power meter kit with 10-36T Force cassette in the back. Will the D1 chain be long enough to do so? If not, what is the maximum big chainring size can be used? Anything else besides chain size should be considered? Thank you!
Sized up once, never ever again! Spent years making little adjustments here and there and it just never felt great on longer rides.
I've been on the same frame for 8 yrs now... so I haven't had the opportunity to strategize on sizes in quiet a while. Looking forward to considering sizes on the next bike but I have a feeling it'll still be a while until then :(
I've fit on a range of bikes. My first was a 57. Always felt that was the best fit for me and it remains my favorite bike I've had. I then got a 56 and loved it. Had to replace the frame and got a professional fit, which put me on a couple 58s. Never liked them. I even raced on them. They were ok, but the front end felt a little high, head tube too big, stem too short and handled a little like a cadillac. For my most recent bike project, I bought the same manufacturer as my original 57, which now only comes in 4 sizes. Got the L, which was identical in geometry to the 57 I had but 1cm shorter. Did all the measurements, specced the components, rode it a few times and it is perfection. The frame is curiously labeled L (55), so I definitely went smaller. My philosophy? Go smaller. However note two things: one, you will likely have more drop or more spacers; two, don't fail to get a professional fit especially if it is your first bike or you have some issues. I had the advantage of knowing the geometry of my original bike that I wanted to match.
When I got my first build up bike in 1998, 110mm was the standard stem size and not in any way slightly short
I'm 182, and should fit 54/55/56 size frames very well, but found out early on in my "career", when I was around 11, that I had to change to the super short stems in order to not suffer from back pains when I ride. Now I'm 35 and still not very flexy and I have a 54 cm Fuji Sportif endurance bike with 55 mm stem, A 55 cm Koga Colmaro endurance bike with 50 mm stem and a 1998 54 cm Peugeot Competition 8000 race bike with a 60 mm stem, and my saddle are always very far forward on the rails with 15 mm offset on the seatpost. I know it must be sacrilegious to many, but that's what I have to do to ride road bikes without discomfort, and that really is the main thing. And it does make the steering very snappy, which I like it, especially for riding around town.
Going a size down i find makes it much easier to maneuver quickly, and so much more fun around corners.
True
Hi GCN, my bike size experience is pretty varied. I looked at a general bike size guid online before deciding on a 52cm grave bike about this time last year. Called around and found one in stock. Went the VERY next morning as soon as the bike shop opened it's doors.. to find no 52, but they did have a 56. At that point I should have thought about it, but all I thought was.. test ride. I decided, snap decision, mind you, to go with the 56. I don't have much seatpost out of the frame, the bike fitted pretty well otherwise, so I thought. I am now sort of wishing I'd thought a bit longer, as the 56 is now pretty cumbersome. I'm looking at a 53-54 now. Coming from a 50cm road bike (13 year old Fuji) it seems like thinking a bit more about bike fit should be a bigger factor in one's purchase decision. Don't let a LBS trick you (not really, but kinda) into something that doesn't fit correctly for what YOU want to do with it.
I love â€ïž the larger bike for a more stable ride!
Great video guys feels like lockdown last year with Ollie and Manon presenting AND Ollie's lockdown hair hiding hat agsimđđđ also ye didn't mention Ronans fancy brakes or his tyre failure!!
Interesting about the bike sizes. When I was looking to buy my Canyon Ultimate, the web-based sizing tool said I would need a XS WMN. However, when I went to Koblenz to the Canyon Headquarter and had a proper sizing done there, I was told for the WMN frame, S would fit best but for the menâs it would be an XS. I went with the WMN S frame and it was a perfect buy. Had a bike fitting done a bit later, where stem was lowered and saddle went up. A bit later I exchanged the stem for a 1 cm longer one and it was perfect for a long while. I recently put the saddle up by 0.5 cm and am now thinking of going back to the shorter stem.
My first road bike was a 56. When it got wrecked my new bike is a 63. The weight distribution, comfort and power output are all so very much better.
What is your height?
"It's coming back now.
Oh, we're at the end now."
That's what she said!
For canyon I run a medium for the ultimate and a small for the aeroad so it's less uncomfortable
fair enough, it just shows it's all about personal preference!
Nice big frame for me with short seat post and short stem đ
In my case the choice is easy. I'm 1,96m, I always go for the highest frame available. My 2007 Cannondale CAAD5 is a 63, my Carver UNIQ N08 commuter is a 62. I'm also interested in the ROSE Backroad AL, which leaves me with a 65 option. The downside of that is that I'd have to wait around 6 months for it because it's not the most common of sizes...
In my experience too small frames cause some knee issues in me, no matter how high saddle or stem may be. The geometry just doesn't fit...
Good video. I recently had this quandary. I purchased a 2023 Cannondale Topstone cabon3L. The manufacturer recommended a medium frame for me-6â , 210# and a 32â inseam. It also started the I could use a medium, large or an extra large frame. I choose the extra large frame. I had to drop the handlebar to level with the floor, move the shifters and to cut the seat post. After much fine adjustments the bike is perfectly tuned. I wonder if the medium frame would have necessitated the same adjustments.
Something else to consider is what you will be doing with the bike, Gravel vs Road.
I have no choice in frame size generally as Iâm 6â7â, but I feel good about my bike fit as my Cervelo R5 61cm frame fits me perfectly with the seat post extended to the max+2mm, which is ok as Iâm only 82kg
I'll default a bit on the smaller side if my preferred size isn't available. I like the stretched out look depending on the frame.
Over my weeks & months of watching the GCN Tech show I've noticed that Ollie's signature move os the thumbs up just like Cliff Richard
I think the tri bars are a great idea for gravel biking as normally I'm in the hoods not the drops anyway. Then we should be able to use much cheaper mountain bike breaks. It's the shifters that are the problem to put in a hoods position. Wish I had the cash to experiment, set up a road bike with tribars and cheaper shifters in a road bike position to see how well it works.
I'm 6' with a 34.5" inseam. My road bike is a 56cm and my gravel bike is a 58. On gravel I like the feel of the bigger frame and the more upright riding position.
Ollies smirk when Manon mentions size chart. Well held together sir.
With 177cm, I ride 52cm frames (currently a '14 52 SuperSix Evo). I feel like they are more responsive and agile, I like the more compact position and of course, I think that long head tubes look terrible. Never mind my spacer...
Many current bikes are quite limiting on stem and bar options and often won't let you change them meaning more expense. I am often between sizes. If you are pushed to the smaller option then they usually come with very short stems so I can't get my ideal reach. If I go up a size to get the reach then the cranks are too long and the bars too wide. With intergrated bars customers often don't get the Pro options of narrower bars (38-40), with stems from 110 to 130.
I run a 56 frame I'm 5.11ft with a short steam of 80cm because I'm like a t-rex. Really comfortable ride and steering is on point.
Like the new Oakley glasses. Do you remember the Mframes? Had a set back in the day and I thought I was so cool. Loved the video.
Great explanation of frame sizing!
I have a large Cannondale, 2nd hand, I think it's a 56. Pretty sure it's too large I'm 5'10 but yeah I lowered the bars and put a super light short stem on and it seems fine. I also shortened the cranks, I don't know what difference it made yet, the previous owner had obviously crashed it so they were a bit scratched. đđ
I am 1.91m but my legs are longer than typical proportions of a person my height. Currently have a 61cm bike as I need it for the seat height required, end up using a smaller stem to make the reach more comfortable
I'm the opposite, my arms are longer than typical. I use smaller frames with longer stems so I can reach far and low enough
Ollie and Manon judging people while the Canyon on the wall is in the small chainring with a steered front wheel âčïž Even for April's Fools day it's too much
There are hypocrites, damned hypocrites and the person on set responsible for setting the wall bike properly. That person FAILED and there should be consequences, like mismatched water bottles or having to wash Ollieâs hat.
Everytime I get ready to take a pic I say dam the chain and crank and never send the pics.......quiet rebel in me is gonna start
@@seansims8805 me too. Thereâs always something.
Filthy tires too
Might fail on the road!
i had to create my own Excel Spreadsheet to calculate the desired results. the Stack, Reach, seat tube angle, and head tube angle helped me tremendously. i factored in stem length, stem angle, amount of spacers since i wanted a slam look (minimal spacers) and didn't want to deviate from my existing road bike setup. I found that so many road bikes are drastically different despite the sizing being similar. I highly recommend test riding all bikes in your size to get a feeling for how each handle.
i sized my bike to be tad smaller then recommended in order to be flexible with various stems, but then i got an integrated stem/bar system... oh well. it works. i fit and i love it.
if your in the middle, it should come down to seat tube angle - if there's big difference in angle, it could really affect your legs/foot positioning. Also keep ing mind relationship between the stem length and front wheel angle
In 1988 a fellow cyclist who was an engineer and maths whiz calculated that my 195cm body required a 68.5cm/27 inch frame. The largest frame in a store was 25 inch/63.5cm, so I paid extra for a custom frame.
Before I ordered I tested a friendâs custom 27â Reynolds 653 frame that had stays between the head tide and seat tube for stiffness.
The bike shop I chose had built a bike for a 7â2â basketballer, so they seemed a natural choice.
When my bike arrived it had no such stiffening and definitely not Reynolds tubing so it was more like a drift bike. (I should have bought a 25â from a proper brand for the price. Or anything from any other bike shop!)
I now have a 60cm Trek Domane and a 61cm Specialized Diverge.
The old frame is now my indoor bike, with my measurements transferred to it. No worries with standing watt bombs on the KICKR!
I have 180 cm, so I often fit between 2sizes and to be frank I prefer the smallest one. I found they more nimble.
Bike size I was lucky. They had the same model in both large and X-large. For me I sized up. The larger frame felt a lot more stable at speed than the smaller bike. Also since my bike is an "all-road" geometry the smaller frame had me sitting upright just a tad more than I liked. I think it's very bike dependent but I'm definitely more big frame small stem of I can pull it off.
I went from a 2015 54cm SuperSix with a slammed 90mm stem to a 2020 48cm with a 110mm stem. I would say i love the smaller frame but the wheelbase is actually longer on the 48cm, most of the other measurements are very similar.
What height are you there a huge difference?
Always gone down a size from 'recommended'. I actually ride one of Gianni Moscon's ex-Ineos bikes and we're the same height and weight, so that was reassuring. I have developed an unfortunate penchant for randomly punching other riders though...
Just got a real fit for the first time ! Iâm 182 cm but my arms and legs are on the longer side for my height. The data came back with a 58 and 110 stem would be ideal, however a 56 would be the second sizing option for me. The issue with the 56 that were wasnât much room to play with the stack at all. I would need all the spacers in all the time. I do suggest getting a detailed fit before any purchase. Gives you a much better insight on what your body actually needs versus what you think your body needs.
I'm 6'2" with a 38 inch inseam. I always have the problem of smaller frames not having a long enough seatpost for my legs, and bigger frames being too long even with a shorter stem.
I ride a size smaller that the charts say. I find there is more adjustment that way depending what I'm using the bike for. I'm on the edge of it being to small which I found out with my last cross bike. I couldn't get traction on the rear wheel when climbing as most of my weight was in front of the front hub. Thought it might be easier to throw about under me but was a bit of an expensive mistake. Bike got pinched so got the next size up for the next one. All is good.
Nice to have you back Manon. Alex is great and everything, but Mano is better looking. đ. Keep up the great work GCN tech.
PS. Manon is a talented and entertaining presenter - that is a given.
Interesting bike fit scenario
For me , I ALWAYS size my Road bike frames by how I fit over the frame
Weight distribution makes a HUGE impact on how the bike will handle in most conditions
Most people tend to size by top tube length
That is just one of numerous fit parameters that need to be factored in to determine not just correct size frame , but optimal saddle height, set back , reach , stack , head tube height...ETC....
Stem length , even in small changes , DEFINITELY effects not just your fit , but how the bike will handle
As Olie pointed out early in video , a shorter stem , provides quicker , more responsive steering
Longer stem , a bit slower , sluggish
The ideal length stem for most riders is to find length that provides , reasonably precise, quick steering , yet long enough to provide good stability and better leverage for seated climbing...
Ronan's frame looks very much like Giant's TCR ( I have two), not their Trinity Tri frame. There is some front end mods that appear to be taped on?
I'm 1,80m tall and no matter the brand/model, I almost always fall between sizes 54 and 56. Currently I own a '20 Cannondale Superix Evo and a '12 Caad 8, both 54 because I tought I would prefer a more responsible and quicker bike. I went to a bike fitter to adjust the Supersix and it was perfect along the first couple of months when I was a beginner, but since I've got more flexibility sometimes I feel like my torso doesn't fit "into" the reach anymore (I'm kind of long torso/short legs). I've put a 130mm - 10Âș stem (the original is 100mm -7Âș) on the bike and felt better, but now I think it might be a bit too long and I'm gonna put a 120mm -7Âș stem and see what happens. The Caad 8 has virtually the same fit, but the handlebar is lower and it got a 100mm - 7Âș. I would like to try a 56 frame because I think it would really suit me better.
cant agree more about making a smaller frame fit someone bigger.
Long stem and layback seatpost, make it all work, but the center of balance goes out... the supposedly "long 56" frame I bought as a stop gap felt really front loaded and nervous in corners compared to my old 58... thankfully its now gone and replaced with another 58 that fits me even better than my original bike did (even post bike fit)!
I've rode larger frame for 5 years - super steady, kinda comfortable. Riding 2 years with smaller frame, super agile. Kinda harder to descend on higher speeds, but much easyer to commute in chaotic cities. 'Cause of more aggressive stearing speed, need a bit more endurance for long rides
Manon is ruthless! Love it đđ€Ł
I am 5ft 11 and ride a smaller bike because while I have long legs the length is in my upper leg. My torso is short in comparison. The deciding factor was the cranks. I like 170s. Every one pretty much used 170s a few decades ago with 165 for track
I'm 178cm, Trek suggest 56cm but decided to go with 54cm for emonda.
I think you did the right thing, frame size calculators used by brands usually advise the larger one if two sizes might fit. Though that does work for some people, just as many people would prefer the smaller of the two
Iâm 181 and Trek suggested 58, tried it, got a fitting, went for a 56 so yes, I agree.
@@Josegcabal-ix9op Wierd, I am 184 and trek dealer said 56, which is perfect.
@@peterlucas5634 trek website suggested 58 ( i might have long legs) and I went for a proper fitting to my local shop, 56 was much better...
Iâm 180 went for a 56, really was in between sizes in my head and ended up sticking a shorter stem on for now as the geo is a little more racey than what Iâm used to! No matter what I did a few cm here and there on treks calculator it had me on a 56. At 178 reckon the 54 be spot on with a longer stem for you. Also the seat mast on the 56 is the large one and Iâve got it nearly all the way down, I think anyone under 180 unless you have long ass legs should go for a 54 and ignore treks chart.
I have always troubel getting big enough frame. I have only found one that is to big once and that was a 25 inch frame mtb full suspension.
I tried a 54 pinarello but the the stem was slamed went to a 55 and put 9cm stem on perfect :)
Big fan of Manon in the GCN Tech Show
Should I be concerned about anything if I am riding a bike that is a bit small for me. I'm 5'8 and my old Trek 4300 bike is 15'. It causes a bit of extra fatigue (I've already extended the seat post to the maximum height) but other than that is there any other thing that I should be concerned about?
I'm relatively new to cycling. an bought a 54cm size frame . . . but i'm 5ft8' an realised i shoulda bought a 52cm frame. but saying that all is good but i do get few aches an pains now an again.
Welcome to the community!
Exactly. Manufacturers confuse consumers by recommending them a size (sometimes two) larger frames than they should. I cannot fathom why they do that - yet almost everyone among them does so.
I have an Orbea Terra size XL, I'm 192 with 91 inseam, and I think I should've gone one size smaller, as I think it'd just suit me better.
I only chose XL because it was the recommended size for my measurements.
For my new mtb I've sized down to L instead of recommended XL or XXL.
ollie: connor's bike looks great (high-pitch) lollllllll
I feel so much better on my 55cm Lapierre than I do on my 56cm Cannondale. On the Lapierre I can easily take my hands off the handlebars and ride with confidence for kms, but somehow this isn't the case with the 56cm frame đ€