Weir Walkers: The White Walkers of the Weirwoods
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 5. 02. 2021
- My definitive theory on the the weirwood origins of the "white walkers of the wood," as they are called. This ties together my green man ideas and my crucial "Azor Ahai invades the weirwoodnet and corrupts it" theory and shows how they relate to the creation of the Others.
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In A Feast for Crows, in Brienne's 8th chapter, when Thoros is talking to Brienne in the weirwood cave he tells her "[...] I only know the road is dark. The fires have not shown me what lies at it's end." And Brienne thinks: "I know where it ends, I have seen the corpses in the trees".
Omg the Bernie impression is flawless đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Your Bobby B crypt adventures need to be part of the upcoming HBO multi series franchise.
Itâs getting crowded down there!
" did somebody Say HORNY??? "
definitely similar quality
Itâs interesting that Kat is âof the faithâ, but sheâs a very spiritual character overall. She can âfeelâ the weirwood watching and listening. She, also makes the charm to protect Bran which I believe is called a âgodâs eyeâ. đ€đ€đ€
Itâs so crazy how much information we get from Varymyrâs prologue. Weirdwood/Other relation, Azor Ahai-Nissa Nissa symbolism, Warg Laws, Warg afterlife. George spoiled us
Yaasssss!!! Oh my goodness Bernard Stark makes me so happy!
Plus the Bobby B & Old Nan fest continues. I feel so spoilt đ xx
Just past 60 seconds in and I'm already cackling đ€Ł oh my good god. Bernard n old Nan are bonding over Monty Python. đđ
"YEAAAAH! LET'S GOOO!!!! Gimme that good symbolism while I await my delivery of "Garth's Greens"
The waters of the God's Eye lake are often described as shimmering with golden or copper tones, which brings to mind the golden cat eyes of Children of the Forest, as well as the Lengi.
oh true good point.
ASOIAF is my current ADHD hyper fixation. I just recently found your channel and have been binge watching all of your videos. Thank you for feeding my obsession.đ€Ł
Well this one will last you awhile!!!
Garth (Greenfield) got captured by Robb (King of Winter) in a whispering wood and imprisoned in a dead tree (Raventree Hall). He gets presumably freed from the Blackwoods when a golden Lion (Lion of Night?) shows up.
I think George is telling us here somethingâŠ
The Starks forced the green men into trees, then the Children forced their souls into the Others?
@@Slechy_Lesh Nice catch. This fits in my mind nicely but it would also kind of mean that the Lion of Night is a good guy?
I could read that in two ways
1) The Lion of Night sets the Others free, so that they are released from a duty or their existence or sth.
2.) Jamies visit in Raventree Hall was likely a trap (or "fishgarth" > a trap by the Blackfish, Lady Stoneheart, BWB) to bring him to the BWB. Then this could basically pin point the moment the long night falls.
lol. watching this from about 5 blocks from Bernie's office in Burlington VT.
Vermont gang rise up.
I'm considering moving to your lovely state to escape the ravages of climate change. Do you guys have a need for IT professionals with novelist aspirations?
Rah VT reference rahhhhh
I've come to the conclusion after watching about 15 of your vids in a row, that you're my new favourite ASOIAF youtuber. Love your stuff brother! Keep it up
Wow, thank you! cheers :)
Come for the mythical symbolism, stay for the silliness!
I forgotte what this video was supposed to be about, but hey, it was amusingly silly
The lml cinematic universe gettin vast
And Vastly! đ«
I totaly forgot what this video was supposed to be about . . . It is redicioulus funny
I feel like I learned so much about politics đ
Love to see it, though.
I love how the faces of the trees and the white walkers phase in and out of each other. A very cool effect.
The last time I was this early we were dreaming of a A Song Of Ice And Fire series
âA Dream of Springâ is how I almost exclusively refer to the afterlife đđđ
As a non-patron, I *humbly* submit the topic of a video that you brought up in a previous livestream (as well as promoted Melanie, Lot 7's video on the topic) and briefly touched on in this video: silence.
Melanie's video was specifically on silenced women, especially the Silent Sisters, as well as ignored women, such as wetnurses and Old Nan.
But I'd love a more thorough and overall dive into silence in this series, especially since I hadn't considered it before, but think on the silence of the Others, the weirwood faces that don't speak, Ghost, cutting out tongues (singers! oh my god, the singers! several threats upon Tyrion, Theon's squire {? wait, was he born mute? I don't remember}) Varys's silent walking, even.
Again, this is a humble suggestion, absolutely not a demand, but I always love your insight
Well I think if you check out Melanieâs essay and my Weirwood Goddess series, youâll kind of get the picture for the most part... it seems to have something to with victims finding a new voice, transformation and things like that. I am going to do a video or two on the weirwood stigmata stuff though so Iâll try to address it
@@DavidLightbringer I already watched her video, but I haven't gotten into the weirwood goddesses series yet. I will get to those next, thanks for the guidance!
Lol feel the Bern of the coldâđ„
I just started yet another re-read of the series, paying close attention to wording and symbolism this time.
"Next had come King Robert himself, with Lady Stark on his arm. The king was a great disappointment to Jon. His father had talked of him often: the peerless Robert Baratheon, *demon of the Trident*, the fiercest warrior of the realm, a giant among princes. Jon saw only a fat man, red-faced under his beard, sweating through his silks. He walked like a man half in his cups." - Jon 1, aGoT
I don't recall if you brought up this specific quote during the Bobby B stag man holly king videos, but it stood out to me. So, we have the horned green man who has become a demon. I'd say this quote ties into this idea of The Others coming from the trees, especially since the antlered men are tied to the Isle of Faces, the major Weirwood hotspot. Antlered demon tree men sure as shit works in my mind!
The more videos of yours I watch, the deeper my appreciation for the series goes đ (and the more I laugh at Old Nan having a good long political talk with Bernie, both of them quoting Monty Python.)
In the Green Zombies series i went into the cycle as depicted just by the stag boys, including Robert's demon symbolism. When you think of the trident as the weapon of a sea god, you can see that the Others are "demons of the trident" in that they are the gods of the green see turned into weapons
In all honestly, I own the series in my own language. But after listening to LmL's and Quinn's theories, and particularly LmL's points about the detail George writes into his books, I just had to order the original series. And that means, starting monday, I'll be doing my fifth reread of the entire (available) series, now in English, and get all that juicy goodness.
Don't take me wrong, I think the translators did a damn good job, but there are things you simply cannot translate and keep the same meaning when working from into and into Romance languages (mine is Portuguese).
@@pipitameruje This is so true! That's why I'm currently brushing up on my French - there are so many great books that I've read in translation, but I just *know* that the original's better! "Le Petit Prince" certainly is, but I'm hoping to get my difficulty level just a bit higher! ;)
I love getting to these older videos I haven't seen, even though I've picked up most of it from newer streams/videos..this is the groundwork for all of the great theories!
thank you! besides the random Bernard Stark skit yes this is hardcore Lightbringer cannon here
âThe others are as dead as the children of the forest.â Well, heâs not wrong.
I love the new intros, loved the Bernard Stark bit, keep up the great work, i really like the optimism that you give your videos and streams, there's a lot of toxicity in the fandom and your videos a breath of fresh air every time you upload.
Right on! Thatâs my natural state so I really canât help it :)
Omg thank you for acknowledging things like snow vs Snow and white vs wight. Itâs important. George takes so long to write because heâs crazy with using semantics to foreshadow and harken back to past, present, and future events
this is your safe place my friend
lol thanks. Iâm sure you and your awesome community have come to every single conclusion I have but like months to years sooner. Thanks so much for giving us all a place to keep these conversations alive
I'm suprised you didn't mention the last part of the quote: "You northmen brought these snows upon us", insisted Corliss Pennt. "You and your demon trees. R'hllor will save us". To me, this is almost George blatantly telling us that the northmen created the white walkers, and Rhlorr (azor ahai) will bring an end to them,
Good point, though I canât really be trusting Red Rahloo either haha
The White Walkers are way too older that.
a religeous zealot calling other gods demons, blaming the weather on other ethnicities, and says his god will save him? yeah thats proof.
@@chrisrubin6445 I think all of that is beside the point when we're talking about an author who's fond of throwing in major hints in oblique ways, like throwaway lines.
@@darkale658 we are also talking about an author who abhors religeous zealotry, otherization, wars and bigotry, and centers his works on those themes.
"Plunching into frozen lakes"
Now I'm officially one of those people who knows how that actually feel.
It's really cold here in Norway now, so I've been out skateing on the ice with my husky the last week, he absolutely loves it. But on thursday we went through the ice and into the ice cold water.
It was a strange experience. The one second we were dry and warm on top of the ice and I remember thinking "hmm, the ice ahead doesn't look good, we should turn around", and the next second I was up to my chin in ice water, with the ice breaking around me and my poor husky falling in after me.
I remembered what I've read about such situations and started to break my way through the ice back the way we had come from until the ice was strong enough, and then I tried to lay as flat in the water as I managed to and kinda swim-push-hump myself on to safe ice(kinda like a seal, lol).
That is actually good advice if you go through the ice. Try not to panic if the ice keeps breaking around you when you're trying to get up. Keep as calm as you're able to and break yourself back the way you came from, and take small breaks to breath and gather strenght on the way.
Both me and my husky are okay, thank the gods. He used me to climb out, the clever bastard, pushed my head under water and all, hehe. We skated and ran back home and spent the evening in front of the fireplace.
Oh my God! What a story! I'm glad you are okey!
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Thank you, we were very lucky. Neither of us have gotten sick yet either, must be our Norse and Siberian ancestry, lol!
This is absolutely exceptional analysis, second only to the incredible worldbuilding by George
I can see Bernie's hand movements when he's talking đ
Only a Weirwoods roots movement can bring real change!
I like the idea that the patreon-plug skits with Robert and Old Nan etc. are gonna keep getting longer and longer until soon they'll comprise most of the video
Itâs going to get so crowded down there it will loom like the short night episode
@@DavidLightbringer
Donât threaten us with a good time. We will want a whole fan-fic series from you đ€Ł
"As above, so below"
HBO should hire David as a Song of Ice and Fire "Fantasy Consultant".
Your jokes in this one are on point! đđ I laughed so much Iâm dead â ïž see you in the crypts!
Smart of the Night's Watch to father no children when they're fighting child-stealers!
Robert in the crypts is probably the best crack fic I have ever seen and it keeps getting better
Thank you for the continued content! Your hard work is sincerely appreciated! Looking forward to tomorrowâs livestream.
Oh my God I love you David lol Bernie!!!
" I didn't know we 'ad a kind!" Great bit in Montey Python.
Woops King* lol
Had to leave a like just for the Bern. Love your content as always!
Opening music đ¶ 0:00 đđđ It never gets old, I'd even call it rewind worthy. May this comment bring you algorithm power in plenty.đ
Beautiful work, as usual Sir Lightbringer đ€all hail đ€ŽGarth đđ
Always here for a monty python & the holy grail reference, youtube reccomendations knows me too well
The exact moment I switched my lamp off... oh well what's an extra half hour before sweet White Walker dreams đ xx
Aww, Jinty, it appears, We are in the same boat! We will both have a late night, but Will be rewarded by dreaming sweet summer dreams in a haunted dreamscape đ€
@@TheOnlyElle. For the night is dark and full of white shadows.
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@@TheOnlyElle. Wow I feel so out done đ xx
@@jintym2951 aaaaah! đđđ€
That Old Nan "Robeeeeeeeert" was straight out of the seven hells. Im literally crying in laguhter at that intro. Brilliant and convincing video!
just when i was about to praise Garth, hope the winds aren't that cold đ§đšïž
I give this video 5 stars and 6 stars for the Bernie voice
You made me so happy today. I'm signing up to be a patron after payday, my dear Lucifer.
Fantastic video, LML! I love how all your previous material(i.e. green sea, green men, kingsguard) is informing where the white walkers are coming from. Really great stuff.
The God's Eye is the big blue eye of MacUmber. It is known.
I watched this video a couple of weeks and so it was very recent in my memory when I came across something in ADWD that heavily alludes to this idea. In a Daenerys chapter, when she is speaking with Xaro Xhoan Daxos they are speaking of the cruelty with how the Unsullied are made and she says this: "this tree has been watered with blood," to which Xaro replies: "how else to grow a soldier?" How else indeed? After all the Weirwoods are known to drink blood. Just before this he compares the training of the Unsullied to the forging of a sword and how it is thrust into icy water to temper the steel, which corresponds to the other examples you lay out here of plunging into the cold place within the Weirwoods. You probably have already come across this on your own, but I just thought it was worth mentioning as it seems to be another piece of evidence that pertains to this theory.
Yeah totally, this one has jumped out to me! It could be talking about Others or sacrificed and resurrected green zombies
I have to say, this theory makes a lot of sense and I could see it actually be confirmed in the books if they ever get written.
Thanks for the awesome content, LML!
Yes! I have been waiting for this!
I can't tell you how much I love LML's King Robert bits! †They are always so funny! The breakdown of the symbolism make his videos very interesting, but his personality, jokes, impressions, innuendo and Monty Python references make them super fun, as well. "Reading Rhaegar" is another personal favorite!
Haha I just basically left the same comment! Can't stop laughing at his King Robert bits!
OK NGL That Cameo from Bernie and him strolling away w/old Nan after the Monty Python reference... RA! That was sublime.
thanks for the appreciation because some people complained about the length of that hahaha
@@DavidLightbringer I love me some Bernie, man, and you got a good impression too lmao
Beautiful. You tied together many quotes that have stood out to me and I couldn't quite put it together. Perfection as usual. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Been gathering notes on this topic for a long time :)
LML almost got me to do a "one time" donate using Bernie tactics
I love the opening and in between music you have, it gives me some hard nostalgia feels. Love your videos, you put together fascinating lore.
Just what I needed! An LML vid! And I'm early..
Lovin' the political references..keep them coming
Loving the impressions, @Lucifermeanslightbringer !
One of your best yet! I have seen several people commenting that your videos keep getting better and better lately. And I must agree.
Awww thanks Lily youâve been there from the beginning so it means a lot!! â€ïžâ€ïž
@@DavidLightbringer Well itâs true. I have always enjoyed your ideas about ASOIAF, but your recent videos feel like you are putting together the ideas in a very easy to understand way. And you are increasingly showing multiple examples, including from all the related material, that support what you are suggesting. Plus, when I go back and rewatch one of your older videos (like I just did with the Visenya Draconis video, I see how much the artwork you include enhances your videos. And Iâm sure that takes a lot of additional effort to create. I do like your recent suggestion of doing a video or two just covering the artwork.
Also, since I am such a sucker for authors who use symbolism and mythology in their works, I wanted to ask you something about your recent foray into Narnia. I heard you mention in one of your recent podcast that you are currently reading the series and plan to begin to cover it on your channel. Are you familiar with the Space Trilogy novels by C.S. Lewis? This trilogy uses mythology, astronomy, alchemical imagery and (of course for Lewis) religious symbolism to tell a story that travels between Earth, Venus and Mars.
GRRM: Never looks at fan theories
GRRM: Eh, what's the harm in one?
GRRM: Watches LML shread into every minute detail of symbolism and lore
GRRM:..........
GRRM: DAMNIT I thought I was sly
Yes!! finally. This is one of my fav theories from you. I love this as much as the moon meteor theory. And you speak on that alot more and have wanted a proper video on white walkers weirwood video. I'm very excited to listen to this.
This video essay is one of your best. I was watching one of your older videos before watching this one again, and it's amazing to see how you've honed and perfected your craft, especially your delivery.
All hail Bernard Stark, first of his name, wearer of mittens and defender of socialism, protecter of the realm.
"Wait! That's not Bernard Stark at all! It's... BERNIE SANDERS?!"
"Yes! And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
All the work you have done for the series is so unique and eye opening. You have reveled many secrets and an overall understanding of ASOIAF, but I think more than that, you have discovered a way (Georges way rather) that each characters arc is laid out. And now that the story makes more sense we can guess at the many paths of the future ( when expectations are subverted it will be because their are so many options). Here's to your health!
In Chile is 22:00 hrs, what a perfect timing đđ»đđ»đđ»
This was one hell of a fun video LML. Keep the good stuff coming!!!
You brought it all together very nicely. Bernard Stark brought up some good points as wellđ
He always does ;)
I'm ready to fight and die for his majesty king Bernard Stark!!!
Man we already know when trees talk they speak Vietnamese. Old joke is old.
Great job as always LML. The Isle of Faces and the God's Eye, the way their presented on the map, end up getting me fixated on another island in a lake: the boot shaped island in the Bleeding Sea in Far East Essos. We'll never see it in universe but given all the parallels to people, places and things that Essos has to Westeros it makes me wonder.
Look rather to islands in lakes in Westeros: Silverwing retires to one in Red Lake, where Brandon Bloody Blade made legends, the Quiet Isle, the weirwood island in the lake near WF I was talking about... thatâs in a later Weirwood Compendium episode, Green Dragon or Silver Sea horse
@@DavidLightbringer I mean I got no logical theories on the "Bleeding Boot," it's just one of those little details that makes you go "huh, wonder why that's there." But then combine that with my own personal obsession with everything east of the Bone Mountains and my brain goes straight to the tinfoil factory. Decades from now when ASOIAF enters public domain and people are able to reference and expand on GRRM's ideas in the same way George and other writers have referenced and expanded on Lovecraft those tiny little details will be things they pick up on. Like I definitely see a sort of "Martin Mythos" in the future with contributions coming from many different writers.
Thanks for allowing me to see the weirwood through the grove.
great vid dude, really good juxtaposition of the visuals to your commentary and each other
Each other... I see what you did there
You really are getting good at this - it's another fantastic video. I've always wondered if the movement of the earth, sinking in some places & rising in others disturbed their underground rooty home
Oops đ€Ł I forgot to include during the hammer of the waters
Well the giants awoke in the earth language applies to weirwoods I think so there might be related ideas there
I wouldn't have enjoyed Elden Ring nearly as much if it weren't for all the same symbolism turning up. You've increased my delight at two wonderful things. Thank you!
King Bernie made me laugh so hard I had to jump back to get what he is saying! Yess, that's my KING (and Abby "Philosophy Tube" Thorn my ultimate Queen of Thorns!)!!
Yea the Monty Python constitutional peasant sketch just fit right into Bernie and Old Nanâs mouths so easily
Dope video. I feel like knowing the origin of the wall is the key to unlocking the mystery of the Others.
It begs the question though. If Azor Ahai and his greenseer successors (humans and Children of the Forest) are the new Hivemind, and the Others were the Green Men, then forcing them out and into Bran's body could create a being just as dangerous as the Others themselves. The Others might not care, but King Bran may be the greatest threat Westeros has ever seen.
yes, and doesn't this make Bran more interesting? I don't think he will be evil necessarily, but simply trying to handle that 'download' should be a LOT more interesting that robo-Bran we saw on the show
LmL vid always makes my day brighter!!
love seeing each subscriber count bump!
This intro always gets me pumped up!!
Plus! Your birds are always so sweet to see!
Also your nan laugh sounded like a walder Frey laugh đ đ
Yes when you get that old, you end up sounding like a Monty python a character
Those are the rules, unfortunately, I donât make them
very good it always amazing how you find so much material keep it up
First...great intro and outro. 31 min in ya sold me on this. Excellent content. More mythology and branches of George's thinking need to be explored
HOLY SHIT I LOVE THE INTRO LMFAO
It's out!! Finally. Nice.
This is my favorite of your videos so far!. Good job
thanks Curtis, it's one of my fav topics :)
BERNIE!!!!! Omg your Bernie voice is soooo bloody spot on đ€Łđđ€Łâ€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž Omgosh it brings me SO MUCH JOY that your Twitter presence and your CZcams videos just converged. Iâve said it to you a NUMBER of times but truly, youâre content is my among my VERY FAVOURITE on CZcams and I was just catching up with some vids Iâve missed along the way. This completely made my week! Iâm GreenNewDeal on Twitter đđđđđđđžđđŠ
I like the idea that this is a resolution for the white walkers, that makes it an interesting theory indeed đ
Your stuff is amazing. So up my alley, right down to the bass licks.
Love you dog. Great work. Missed the show, but you know me, I still get it in
Despite what our guest said there at the end, he would've absolutely caved and towed Bran's party line lol
Hi LMLđThanks for the stream, itâs always super interesting, youâre doing a good job!đđđđ»đđ»đđđŒââïžđšđŠ
btw the way that promo was better than all of season 8
Such a great theory, thank you! And it really fits with the ecological thinking of grrm.
The white walkers being an invasion triggered by the human negligence
fits with the thematic role of the fae in general too
First 3 minutes made me have to bend the knee from laughter xD
SkÄl, LmL and everyone, from Tha Norf (Denmark)
Praise Garth
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Thanks Martin and a warm greeting to Denmark! Cheers man!
"I am once again asking for your support..." Love it, mittens and all. XD
Great content. I'm all in on these theories.
Dude I so fricken can't wait to see your videos when Winds finally arrives!
3:04 great skit. Love the mp reference
Amazing and intresting episode, my good lord
Omg I love this channel so much. Love the opening on this one. I laughed so loud I woke my mom up đ
Just became a patron! Thoroughly enjoyed this!!! Love your work!!!!
Oh hey wow thank you Maura!
@@DavidLightbringer looking forward to find out what my cool nickname on the Starry Host page will be!