Ice Spiders! (White Walker Teleportation Theory)
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- What are Giant Ice Spiders? Will we see them when the Long Night falls? Can they climb the Wall? All that, plus a brand new theory about Others and the weirwoods - 'white walker teleportation theory.'
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Samwise: Hey Jon I was looking at the ancient achieves I found in Oldtown and it turns out the information we had was misremembered legends. They aren't Ice Spiders they're Nice Spiders! This is something we can use!
You killed me
Nice. (Spiders)
Stories about ice spiders. My headcanon is they were actually horrific amalgamations cut up wight peaces or parts of people torn apart by wights
"oh boy, David Lightbringer just posted, I hope this video won't trigger my arachnophobia." *clicks notification*
about that...
nobody:
absolutely noone at all:
LML: IS THIS .. LIKE.. A SYMBOLISM THING??? IS THIS SOME KIND OF METAPHOR???
hahahahaha
Worldbook mentions an ancient city in Essos called Lyber, where a cult devoted to a spider godess was in eternal war with the cult of the serpent god. And among the Rhoynar, Crab King was in eternal war with the giant turtle Old Man of the River. So the ice arthropods are at war with the fire reptiles. The Long Night was ended when CK and OMR made peace and taught the people a secret song to bring about the day; that was the actual Pact, metaphorically speaking.
Just realized that the wildlings attacking the Wall with a "turtle" (fire reptile) was defeated by dropping rocks on it, which means fire moon meteors somehow being used by the Others to stop the Great Empire dragon people, or something
@@alexandergangaware429 lol "..or something." you have no idea how often I want to say that! Usually turtles represent the earth, so dropping rocks on it and burning it, well, moon meteor attack! It also represents the Rhoyne itself, meaning the river, meaning the river of time, meaning the wnnet. So it's more AA attacking the wwnet
Forgive my ignorance but what does CK and OMR stand for?
@@indianasquatchuntersCrab King and Old Man Of The River.
I really hope the new ASOIAF tv show is successful, simply because it might result in more traffic to your CZcams channel! You make such great quality stuff at a consistent and frequent rate, you deserve more views :)
i agree! lol. O hope it's at least decent
Damn I second that! May the odds be ever in your favor!
coming back to see that this is the top comment on the video totally just warmed my heart you guys. Unreal. I really appreciate the encouragement
it worked for me at least! HOTD made me rewatch Alt Shift X's stuff and then get into your more arcane stuff :) before last week I'd only ever read one of your blog posts
@@kf10147 same here, thank you HOTD
I don't know which art is the most horrifying: spider corpse or baby ice spiders! Really, the video was great and the symbolism, as always, helps with the greatest theories!
When Varamyr Six-skins died, he for a brief moment seemed to be a part of every tree, every breeze on the wind, if I remember the chapter right. That's when his tie with his body was completely severed. What if it's the reverse for the Others? What if their default is disembodied spirits existing in the trees and the breeze, but no longer the Weirwoods? Maybe for them, they actually have to focus like a skinchanger in order to produce a physical form. And they seem to form it out of ice. Maybe that's why the cold always comes with them. The blizzard isn't conjured by the Others, the blizzard *is* the Others.
Yeah, something like this could definitely be the case. It’s hard to tell whether they’ve been evicted from the net entirely, or just sectioned off in their own cold part. Either way I’m quite sure they will be breaking into the main thing, and making trouble for our greenseers. They could be floating around on the air, that would be much the same as having them reside inside the astral realm during the day. It amounts to much the same thing. I like the comparison to Varamyr, that’s good
This was so perfect, I mean we really have to just point it out. You quite literally keep improving, it’s WILD. Ice spiders have been here all along, weaving this web, and waiting to snag their prey. It’s hiding in plain sight. 👵🏻 old nan is never wrong!
thanks Devoted :)
💯💯💯💯
Its gets better like the old shows to these like wow
Anansi brought back old buried memories. Surprised Mr. Lightbringer knows about african folklore.
Honestly when you think about how the Others were created you can call it a "natural disaster" caused by humans when they started to mess with these trees.. and now its coming back for revenge, riding ICE SPIDERS! Thank you, that was amazing \m/
What form is better for taking revenge on humanity? Giant crystal spiders would be more terrifying than dragons to most people
Giant insects / arachnids are always the most terrifying
I almost feel grrm won't finish because David has everything figured out
I sure hope he does because I’m about out of ideas here
@@DavidLightbringer well, just more excuse to work on your own books! I'm eagerly awaiting your work man, you got the symbolism down, and I'm excited to see your storytelling
“God dammit he’s guessed right again, back to the drawing board”
1:10:29 This could be echoed in Danny’s ant encounter. It could foreshadow how the others will use the network of Weirwoods scattered across Westeros to quickly travel and invade. Westeros in covered in Weirwoods, and although it’s mainly the north, there are a few scattered among the south in a few key locations. The passage describes the ants (the others) descending from the north, climbing the wall (pretty self explanatory) and biting her all across her body (Westeros), leaving little red marks (Weirwoods). It’s also clear the ants are concentrated around her head (representing the north) and travelling down her neck (there’s a place literally called The Neck), potentially symbolising the others path from the wall, through the north, down the neck to the gods wood.
i like the red marks bit
Interesting thoughts, and the Others using the Weirwoods as portals is something I'm down with. Interesting point to ponder: why can Bran (and Bloodraven) use the Weirwoods south of the wall, but the Others can't use them to materialize there? Likely the magic in the Wall, somehow. Also, it would be wild if Bran would also eventually be able to materialize anywhere in front of a Weirwood like this. Who needs legs when you can do that?
By the way, there are many spiders that actually hunt (though not in packs, granted). Some of them may even be in your house. Look up crab spiders for instance.
Yeah magic in the Wall is my guess too. And yeah I know there are a few who do hunt. Like the ice spiders hahaha
Quaith appear in front of Dany. And we think she is doing astral projection with a glass candle. Well, the Weirwoods are like glass candles only more powerful I think. So at least, when Bran is strong enough, he can send his astral body and talk to people even when they are awake. Perhaps. We know greenseers can do it in dreams already.
I can't imagine the amount of work these long videos must take but do know LmL they are much appreciated. Love the new wave of long videos and series like the Melisandre videos.
it really does. I'm pretty burnt to be honest... glad you enjoyed it
These videos help guide me through this reality’s “Long Night,” which is dark and full of terrors; the dark times until WOW. I believe in our King, LML. Mummer’s theories are running rampant. Of all the channels I have seen - LML makes the most sense. Unbiased. Nuff said. 👍
A dragon is no slave.
Totally improbable theory, but similar to the idea of ice spiders being made of bodies, maybe the giant ice spiders could be tree size ice krakens and dog size ice octopuses that’ve crawled up onto the land…
well have you reread that Spider Crab bit from Davos's chapters on Sisterton?
@@DavidLightbringer ummm… it was definitely an idea that came to mind kinda vaguely through the lens of Patchface riddles in general… 🤷🏼♂️
I wrote that totally half asleep, and I’m ashamed to admit but I’m mostly a show and audiobooks guy. Definitely missing a great deal of the intellectual depth not being able to linger with the language as much but I’ve too much nonfiction on my plate at the moment. Rudimentary plumbing and electrical, septic tanks, etc.
Building a complex of several small permitless huts off-grid and primarily with recycled and repurposed materials. So I’m left absorbing my recommended daily doses of high fantasy through osmosis these days. Though I am snowed in at the moment so maybe I’ll take another crack at them.
Planetos is particularly inspiring to me. My work experience is also primarily in off-grid construction, so felling and bucking trees, the planning and execution of moving giant rocks and starting fires with damp kindling is what I do best. My property is in the northern New Mexican high desert, probably not too far from George (though considerably cheaper). The night sky is on par with rural Afghanistan, you can also see geological time here particularly well, and it’s home to some of the oldest man-made structures in North America.
Beyond discrete rent-free housing, my larger goal is to restore the forest. During the last world war, the “whites” came and cut down all the trees to create range space to raise sheep for wool military uniforms…. maybe reaching a bit there for white walker parallels.
Anyway, as I mentioned we’ve actually had good snow here (two or three decent storms) since Christmas, so I imagine George is getting work done even if I can’t 😁 In the absence of disposable income I hope my mostly ignorant ramblings at least relate if not actively contribute to the larger conversation. Thank you as always, especially for the direct interaction, you are truly doing the Lords work my friend.
Evil ice octupuses running on land? No you are giving me nightmares!
I can totally see why you're so proud of this video. You aced every single aspect, Dave -- story-telling, symbolism, psychology, visuals and lots of lovely jokes. Bravo!
hahah thank you yes my pride and joy
agreed!!
"Ice spiders! Ice Spiders! Giving you Nightmares! Ice Spiders!" My new favorite intro.
Absolutely love the theory! When Morgoth returned to destroy the 2 Trees, he had just escaped from imprisonment by the Valar. He met Ungoliant and promised to let her devour whatever she wanted, and that's what she went and did. Because of her gorging on the power in Valinor, Ungoliant grew to an even more monstrous size. While the Elves and the Valar tried to see if the could fix what happened to the 2 Trees Ungoliant and Morgoth fled. Somewhere in the southern wastes of Arda they paused and Ungoliant demanded the gems he'd stolen as payment. He gave them to her, but then she demanded the Silmarils, the greatest gems to ever exist and holding the last light from the 2 Trees. He refused and she attacked him, and when she webbed him he cried out in pain. His Balrogs, which had been hibernating in his fortress Angband at the northern point of Middle-Earth, came to his aid and under their combined strength they drove her away and then escorted Morgoth to Angband. Ungoliant ran off into the south even further where she had many children and then ended up eating herself to sate her unlimited hunger. No one knows what Ungoliant really is because she isn't one of the Valar and they thought that she came from the Void that surrounds Eä, which reminds me of Lovecraft a lot, and that's also where Morgoth was thrown after his final defeat in the First Age.
One of my favorite rabbit holes in the Legendarium
I really like the teleportation idea and think that a really solid theory. While not proof of anything (and as many have pointed out before me) Robin Hobb and GRRM are good friends, share an editor, often run ideas by each other and there are many parallels and similarities in ASOIF and The Farseer Trilogy, and in Hobb's trilogy there's a teleportation method for magic users in her story that in my opinion maps on to what you're suggesting with the Walkers and the Weirwoods acting as a doors quite well
Keep up the great work LML, You've been smashing it recently and each new video seems to be better than the last
wow okay that's awesome to hear!
It's early in the morning where I live, I am going to have to save this for midnight to truly spook myself out.
Late comment. Thank you for the mention❤️. I’m gonna be watching this video a few more times before weighing in intelligently. Lots to unpack:)
Still the best literary criticism on asoiaf out there. Some university should bestow a lit crit pHD on your work. Don’t be like Blarl.
let em know City Slacker
You should get an honorary Ph.D for your excellent work.
@@alexmarkadonis7179 so, in my hubris, I looked this up, and it seems like you have to be wealthy enough to make a donation to the uni, or else just have someone randomly notice you. It's just incredibly flattering to be your fake professor though, I love it
Damn I missed it live!!!! So sorry !! Sharing like mad!! Thankyoy!
I always imagined the ice spiders to be a sort of Frankenstein like amalgam of Corpses frozen together into multi limbed abomanations that the others ride into battle. Like the body of a giant withe the frozen legs of horses cwarling along the ground. black brothers twisted and frozen together, blue eyes staring as eight black arms claw and scrape up the wall to atack the defenders in the black cold of night... there tattered black cloaks wraped around there limbs covered in white hore frost .😮
one of the ice spiders artworks looks just like that!
Awesome video ! Great way to unwind...I mean unweb lol rewatch imminent
You would’ve had me at “Ice Spiders” but you had me even more at “White Walker Teleportation”. Always look forward to these videos.
D'Enlightment is off the freakin charts. Who works harder than LML??!?!
Love ice spiders! Maybe HBO will show them to us in the future
Awesome analysis!
Some of the coolest White Walker content -snort- love this shit
they're still so mysterious, I'm dying over here waiting on the next book argh
The Ice Spiders was worth the wait. Fantastic job as all ways. Keep up the great work.
Excellent
I knew my spidey-sense was tingling for a reason 😂
So happy I could finally catch z livestream! Your ability to expound in things in these novels I've sometimes not even given a second glance, really astounds me. Deff soooooooo ready for WoW!
man I need it bad I don't know how many more theories can be made
This is such a great crazy corner of CZcams
Your analysis is always so engaging. Keep up the fantastic work LML. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
Thanks a ton!
This video is seriously fantastic, tons of great thoughts and ideas! Love the symbolism, the real world parallels, and of course the ice dragon talk. Five fuckin stars bro.
Years of research pact into one video here, awesome
Also- could you put up your background music on spotify? Its so delightfully creepy, would make great asoiaf reread background music
i have a soundcloud under lucifermeanslightbringer with those tracks
Thank you for all your hard work making these videos, David/LML. I've been relying hard upon your backlog lately, and I'm very grateful for them.
Loved that you combined a relatively creepy topic with a few moments of absurdity and silliness (the recurring bird "feeding the babies" gag made me chuckle)
I was so happy when I realized I could make use of that clip 🥰
Also, fyi: the Svartalves, the Dark Elves of Norse Mytholgy, can "teleport."
Tell me more!
Dark Elves in Norse myth are actually Dwarfs. The words are used interchangeably throughout the Poetic Edda.
Was napping through the stream but catching this now
So many tongue twisters. No wonder this took so long. Great job.
Old Nan is the Night's Queen/Night Queen
Gotta say, I'm so fond of your use of speech bubbles, it ruins my work flow cuz I have to keep looking at the screen instead of just listening - but it's worth it 😂
i kinda love those yeah ;)
Ice spiders climbing the Wall as the Watch look on has to be a thing!
I took a chance and watched this right before I went to bed. Luckily no nightmares of spiders and other creepy crawlies. But you gave us a lot to think about. I'll need to watch again to get all of it.
"Spiderman, Spiderman. Shrooming at Tool shows....." lmfao that was great. I had to pause it and laugh for a moment.
You continue to up your game. Exceptional stuff, man. This one is red meat for the regulars (proper mythical symbolism-heavy content) and genuinely new and unique theories about the others. I continue to be impressed and enjoy what you do.
Thanks John! Appreciate the encouragement
i was very much anticipating a radiohead shoutout when you said ‘climbing up the wall’ 😊
LIKE BUTTON FOLKS!
This rules. Excellent work. I hope you’re right, Dave!
Scary stuff. Well done!
Roy Dotrice is amazing man! It’s gonna be so weird not hearing his voice when TWOW comes out 😢
Bry-Eeen
22:17 - _So close_ to mentioning the story of Arachne and Athena! 😢
They weaved stories on the loom
we can discuss it int he follow up stream! There were so many side branches (lol) that I didn't have time to go down. What about the spider crabs on sisterton? But yeah Arachne is a good one to discuss
@@DavidLightbringer I kinda knew the story, but especially enjoyed it in Stephen Fry's audio book, Mythos. Just chef's kiss!
Great video! I really enjoyed it 🥰 Thank you 💜
So I got to thinking, post-praise mind you, how much damage the green seers(and those chasing the dragon of their power) have done to Planetos in their quest for knowledge...
Great stuff, thank you 💚
Once again you've blown my mind dude.🤯
Ice symbolism. Wonderful and intrging.
"The others crawling through om a godswood near you" is too scary!
16:16 holyshit those things are terrifying, whoever draw it is insane, nothing's worse than a mix of a spider and an octapus.
glad someone around here is asking the real questions
Excellent work as always
i always wondered and assumed in my own head cannon that the shows ice dragon shouldve breathed ice not fire, considering there would have to be fire coming in contact with an other in the mouth of the dragon.
Hats off and applauds. Another video dense with interconnecting symbolism. Every time I think my mind cannot possibly be blown any more, LML drops myth bombs on me from his flying spiders.
Such an awesome video! Gotta rewatch now for anything i missed! :)🕷❄🕸
I hope there are actual Ice Spiders in the future of the story
big Insects and scary looking things can make the White Walkers scarier and more menacing, making them stand out.
it would be like Nerubian Spiders in Warcraft, how there were these intelligent race of spider-like creatures that had their cities carved out underground with their strange architecture and abilities that only they were capable of and they made the Undead Army stronger and more menacing.
Great work!! Loved the stream! Looking forward to the next :)
I like the idea that the real meaning behind a song of ice and fire is the George build a firewall out of ice
ahhhhh a firewall yikes
Still think to this day this is your best analysis yet! Love coming back to it
Thank you Steinn!!
I’ve seen this video before. Came back for a rewatch. The clicking needles was something I never noticed and oh my god I got chills at Dave’s reading and analysis. “Click click click” *chills*
Oop sorry I’m late
Great vid, the amount of new n fresh content ur still posting is insane, keep it up, much love👍❤
I knew this was going to be a great video just from the title
LmL is knocking the symbols out of the park!
Old Nan keeps it 💯
Ice dragons helping to build the wall doesn't sound so far fetched when you consider that the 5 forts of yi ti were most likely formed out of dragon flame
The Ice Dragon IS out there, and I'm surprised you missed it..... it's name is "Winter"... and you see it through Bran's eyes in his coma dream when he looked into the depths of the north and saw something so terrible it filled him with fear and dread... "Now you know why you must live..... because Winter is coming".... Bran woke up and immediately named his dire wolf "Summer". Did you miss it?
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Since I know you’re also a big basketball nerd I hope you will like this analogy David. Whenever I talk about less famous basketball stars today (Dr J etc) and someone isn’t as familiar or hasn’t seen all their highlights I say “he’s your favorite players’ favorite player”. That’s the ice spiders video, our favorite CZcamsrs favorite video!!
😂😂
Bird eating spiders?
yeah someone mentioned that in the chat, food for thought. heh
Nice job on the visuals, taking advantage of the new computer! Excellent.
A bit about mycology that you were so close to and it seems connected to the weirwood and teleportation: a mycorrhizal network is an underground mycelium mat or highway that can transfer water, nutrients including very specific micronutrients, and we're even thinking information to facilitate all this. The largest living thing is one of these mats. They can make larger trees banks of water and nutrients to others trees or plants. It's the basis of one of the Star Trek shows mycelial FTL travel, shouts out to the real life wizard Paul Stamets.
Another small thing to maybe have floating in your mind about these networks is they have been shown to use "husbandry" for bacteria, growing very specific ones that help themselves while killing the ones they don't like.
Two & a half minutes in and your juxtaposition of horror & pure adorableness was a little disorienting- lol- but I love it. "Gonna feed the babies..."
Yes yes I’ll be weaving those threads together throughout. You can’t do an 80 minute video about spiders and terror without cutting it with jokes
That was amazing. Each new video you make seems to be better than the one before, thank you for all your hard work, David, keep it up!
REALLY fabulous video! I enjoyed every moment. Your content just keeps getting better.
thanks so much Tracy! I'm always working hard to improve
Great video
Bro, ok, I just started watching your videos and I gotta say a few things:
1) YOU BLOW MY MIND!!!! You have so much knowledge and information, like you have laid your preverbal loooooooaaaaad !!!! 🤯😵💫
2) Your banter, timing, and cadence are perfectly n’synch. Your humor is so great because you are of your generation. Your lewks and voices are Perfection! 🤌🏽
3) You get me thinking about stuff that I would never put together. I 🖤🖤🖤 that! You just make me go, “Ohhh yeah!!!” I can’t wait to listen to you when HOTD comes out. I hope to catch you live.
Thank you for being so articulate, informative, fun, and not afraid to deep dive with abandon! You just slap us in the face with GRRM Greatness. I can’t covey how enthralled I am to have found you! Bravo!
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THANK YOU 🤴🏼
Wow thank you so much! Ive been doing my thing here for a while, and fortunately the attention around HotD is exposing my channel to some new people! I’ve been trying to do that for a while so it’s great to see new folks finding the channel. Please feel very welcome!
@@DavidLightbringer bahahahahha Gimme some of that HotD action!!!!🤪😈
I think the ice and magics inside the wall are preventing the others from reaching through the net past it, like a cold firewall on your internet. and when it falls, there's no VPN in westeros haha
Roy! I love his vocal quality and mega granddad energy! You were too good to us!
Yeah I love Roy had to give him some time here
Excellent work. You've been talking about ice spiders for years so I was pretty excited about this video. It was all I could hope for and more. Top notch in depth analysis, meaningful costume changes, and the levity that only you could bring. *Chef's kiss*
Hell yeah Cameron thank you
So good! 🖤🖤🖤
Hello from Brazil! Hard times here, your channel cheers me up. You blow my mind everytime, it's awesome. Thank you so much!
dude this is some of your best work. keep it coming!!
Some really great transitions in the art and great use of audio. Your work is getting better and better every video and then you hit us with a new theory 👏👏👏 well done sir well done 👍
Great stuff David 👍
I love how much you put out content and it is well researched and informative. Thx.
I’m liking this theory a lot. While fans of the books are probably familiar with the parallels between the weirnet, internet and spiderweb, you take the interpretation to a new level. Great novel ideas of the Others as exiled Green Men riding the weirnet and using frozen weirwood trees as portals to move around. Now, I haven’t gotten round to viewing all your videos surrounding the subject so perhaps you’ve already examined the Ravenhall Weirwood and drawn some conclusions there. So, in line with your theory, it just popped into mind that besides the tree being poisoned and dead for thousands of years, it may also represent your idea of a cordoned off section of the network where Other-spirits are being contained. The multitude of ravens that return to the tree every night could be alarm guards of sorts, keeping watch to make sure nothing escapes the tree -Bloodraven currently monitoring through their eyes of course.
ADWD Jamie 1 also offers a ton of supporting symbolism from the very first line. Raventree Hall is described as having “moss spiderwebbing up its walls like the veins in a crone’s legs.” (Veins of older folks usually standing out blue). Inside we find a lot of netty, weaving symbolism: there are woven tapestries and doors of wooden latticework that open into the godswood. Tytos Blackwood and his son Hoster (!) are both gaunt, thin and tall, Tytos rides a gaunt horse. After the Red Wedding Tytos remained loyal to Rob Stark (named King of the North and King of Winter) and is currently besieged by the Brackens, trapped inside the keep and running out of food - possibly the clue to the portioned-off area of the weirnet. Anyway, there’s loads of symbolism in that chapter. Jamie as LC of the KG negotiates peace between the two factions, the sort of diplomacy I would expect from Jon Snow. Also, coming from the North, Raventree is the last standing weirwood before the God’s Eye further south (I think), so gaining control there might be essential to protecting the God’s Eye itself. Makes me wonder what role the very angry faced Harrenhall weirwood and indeed Harrenhall itself might play.
That said, how does this theory gel with NK and NQ bringing forth white shadows into the world? Or Craster’s sons for that matter? Presumably the younger Others are the key to releasing the ancient spirits?
so the video you want for the NQ stuff is Origin of the Others: Night's Queen. Other creation seems to involve harvesting human spirit mana to make an ice body, and a wandering tree spirit in need of a body. You'll not the weirwood tree and weirwood black gate at the Nightfort, where NK and NQ did their thing.
Raventree is really great, I read those chapters a few years ago for symbolism and noticed the latticework (in the solar) which is on the second floor, as if among the branches of the tree. The poisoned / dying weirw is absolutely a model for what I'm talking about, yeah - and the poisoners were the Brackens, with their fiery horse symbolism (dragon horse in the case of Bittersteel). Your point about Jaime is great - he's negotiating a peace, like we talked about with the Old Man of the River and Crab King. Good catch on the spiderwebbing moss... I haven't even done thorough searches of all occurrences of "spiderweb," crab" etc yet. This is somewhat new ground for me