Deep Ones (Fish Men) in Conan Lore (Study and Theory Crafting)
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- 0:00 - Excerpt
0:43 - Introduction
1:35 - Origins and Gods
3:33 - Minor Gods
5:45 - Anatomy
10:09 - Ronin Kraft
10:36 - Hybrid Breeding
12:15 - Hybrid Metamorphosis
14:24 - Phenotypes
16:57 - The Esoteric Order of Dagon
20:07 - Undersea Society
24:58 - Shoggoth Taming
27:18 - Culture Study
31:24 - Conclusion
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Sources
Dagon (1917): • HorrorBabble's DAGON: ...
The Temple (1920): • "The Temple" by H. P. ...
The Shadow Over Innsmouth (1936): • THE SHADOW OVER INNSMO...
The Fishermen at Falcon Point (1959): • The Fisherman of Falco...
Witches Hollow (1962): • Witches' Hollow
Conan the Barbarian Issue 69 (1976): marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Conan_...
Conan Issue 36 (2007): www.amazon.com/Conan-Barbaria...
Conan Exiles (2018): www.conanexiles.com/
Sandy Peterson on Deep Ones: • How to Fight a Deep one
Sandy Peterson on Shoggoth:
Vampires in Conan Video: • All Vampires in Conan ...
Oaths of Dagon Cultists: • The 3 Oaths of Dagon E...
Deep Ones according to Lovecraft Stories: www.lovecraft-stories.com/wik...
Deep One Cities: lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Dee...
Prayer to Dagon: moa.omnimulti.com/Esoteric_Ord...
Deep One Biology: non-aliencreatures.fandom.com...)
Fish Men of Conan Exiles: conanexiles.fandom.com/wiki/C...)
Uluath Minor God: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Uluath...)
Murgor-Tsoggua Minor God: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Murgor...)
Tsathoggua Minor God: lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tsa...
Marvel's Fish Men: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fishmen
Rlyehian Language: www.naguide.com/call-of-cthul...
Beast Gods of Beast Men: • All Gods in Conan Lore...
Shoggoth: lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Sho...
Elder Thing: lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Eld...
Robert Olmstead: lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Rob...
Giant Screaming Frog: • GIANT SCREAMING FROG!
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"You WILL breed with the deep ones
You WILL eat the crabs
You WILL raise your fishwives son
You WILL take the gold trinkets
And you WILL be happy."
-Cthulhu
Therapist: Don't worry. Cthulhu Schwab isn't real. He can't hurt you.
Cthulhu Schwab:
@Nix91 Same.
It's actually Dagon, but who cares at this point
@@yuhaturi3329 Dagon Schwab would actually be rather intimidating actually.
Unironically yes.
Like if the alt right is anti cthulhu i will side with cthulhu idgaf
>Be Cimmerian
>Be Boss King
>find and save fish people kingdom
>"and here is our treasure room!"
>pull sword out and turn fish king into sushi.
>fly out that bitch with entire treasure room.
>kill there giant fucking squid on way out just to make my point.
King Conan once again keeping it real lmao
What did you expected from conan?
Modern man: is that a fish? AAAAH IM GOING INSANE!!!
Ancient man: come out you freaks, my sword thirsts for your blood
And very occasionally, "Hey, there, good lookin.' Watchu doing later?"
"You know what boys? I'm feeling like sushi tonight."
Average Florida man morning.
That's conan
“When you see something ought to be human but isn’t. Or that is human now but won’t be in the future, or that was human and is not now. You keep your eye on it, and feel for your hatchet.”
Mr Beaver. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
@@Morec0 The uncanny valley is a very real thing, and few things raise my hackles faster.
A bit odd the talking beaver says this, but it is wise words
Ironic, coming from a creature of the Maleficarum.
@@johannesvonmalos7505 "you mean *this* hatchet, Mr Beaver?"
@@BlooCollaGal Eh?
You know it’s going to be a good day when the first thing you see in the morning is an upload from grimdark half off!
As a Sci-fi fan what I love about Howard's world is that blend of Science fiction and high fantasy, or rather that Conan has a Sci-fi element.
Grim Dark: Hey, kid, you wanna learn about fish people and their in depth relationship to the world of Conan?
Me: Boy do I mister!
Doing my senior thesis for my Bachelor’s of English on Lovecraft, loving this content.
How's that meshing with the "modern academic climate" ?
@@BlooCollaGal English departments have a tendency to be a little less focused on the things that you’re probably talking about and focus more on the art of literature while still being able to respect people for who they are and understanding that we can learn from the past even if it doesn’t always mesh perfectly with our current societal ideals and expectations.
Now I wanna write up a Hyborean Age Deep One hybrid who hasn’t yet made it to the second stage of his evolution and has made it his mission to resist it, via his use of this nifty field of science he “invented” and is “pioneering”. In his use of Elder Magic, he’s not even accelerating his metamorphosis, simply deluding himself into believing that he’s stopping it. A dangerous person to face, he’s growing increasingly delusional, which’ll only develop into a psychosis that’ll leave him pleasant to be around, when compared to other Deep Ones.
That’s the plan! ✅
What a gift this is, its deep dives like this that make your work some of the best as to both Conan and the Mythos. Amazing work and the more I experience the more I want. This and your in depth work on magic in the age of Conan are my favs. Thank you so much.
High praise I will work to live up to thank you very much good sir!
Heh. Deep dives...
I am from Brazil and here in the north-east we have a legend called "Nego d`agua" he look like a deep one, i never think about that until now.
My friend in the noth of Uruguay there is the legend of the Sirena del Río Uruguay a bipedal and hairy creature.
@@lucasroselli5945 If is in the north of Uruguay, maybe she is seen in the south of Brazil, but i never was there before.
Quizá, saldudos una pregunta,¿ nego que significa? ¿Es como preto o es el nombre de la criatura?
@@lucasroselli5945 They call him like this, because he have (as some people told) a dark skin and a human apearance but with ears like fish fins, the river fishermen have the costume to put "cachaça" on the water for him to not sink their boat, people that i know who have saw him call by this name because the ancestors call him like this so i really dont know if is because he have a dark skin or not, but i believe that they do this to be more easy to pass the history, in the city i live have a statue of him on the river, you can search "Nego d'agua Petrolina-PE" this statue have a more humanlike apearance. Sorry to not respond in spanish, and my english is not very good.
@@h.f.v.1428 gracias, yo escribí en español por que pensé que sería más fácil para vos, ten presente que para nosotros es más sencillo entender el portugués escrito.
Unlimited enemies of humanity hiding in the darkest depths, and only with three windows on our U-Boats do we come to know our foes cities!
I have the impression that if you put together all the lore videos you have on ghouls, vampires, ape men, serpent men, bull men, dragons, deep ones, Acheron, the gods of the hyborian age, and the different magic systems in Conan lore, it could become a book similar to the Necronomicon or the book of Skelos. My question is, what would this compendium of beasts, gods and magic that has been crafted and studied in front of us be called? And how could we refer to its ingenious (and crazy) author?
The Tomb of Grand Intoxication by the collective of ex-slaves who formed the order of the grim darkness in 2
Or
The Working Order of Greg
The Conarium
@@GrimDarkHalfOff The GRimoire Incantus Malificum, on Dæmons, Aberrations, and un-Real Kingdoms by Half off... hafolf... hafolaf? Hafolaf? (I love stupid backronyms)
@@rpgeoffrey YES
Wich sounds strangely as dnd
Wich is definitely how Robert Howard wanted
That's why Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft share the same universe but this is a great video midway for thold I'll see next more on Conan lore. 🌊🐙🐟🐠🦈
When the world need him the most he fucking returned, let’s gooooooooooooooooo, fish people go *blup* *blup*
What I've always loved about the deep ones and the great old ones is Lovecraft was fairly early in science fiction/weird fiction to give us fairly complex aliens that pre-date the UFO craze.
I don't know if you've ever read "The Doom that came to Sarnath", it reads like a historical sword and sorcery lore book, but the underlying theme is the fish people are aliens that peacefully set up a colony and it's the humans that behave like savages assaulting their city and desecrate their God. In kind of a role reversal.
And Howard runs with this theme that the deep ones have that science fiction quality to them within his fantasy/sword and sorcery setting.
I personally love the “doom that came to Sarnath”
@@teyanuputorti7927
The funnny thing is. Its also Possibly the only Lovecraft story Tolkein read. It was part of an anthology he had on his reading list.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues cool
relistening to this, im reminded of a bunch of expanded mythos that don't seem like true deep ones but closely related species or prototypes. such as in the more shogoth and mermaid like creatures in " spawn of the green abyss," and " spawn of dagon" and the beaked and vampiric aquatic creatures in " ocean ogre."
also your vids give me tons of inspiration and helps me get through work, thanks
You're one of my favorite youtubers. Your content is extremely detailed, informative, and exhilarating to listen too. Thank you for what you do and sharing it with all of us.
I'm not sure if you play much else than mmorpg when it comes to games but I'd recommend checking out darkest dungeon or the conan inspired overhaul coming to it called black reliquary. Very nice lore video as always.👍
Great Thorough Review of the Deep Ones!! Personally, the stereotype of fish amphibians bothers me (I like those designs as hybrids with other marine species) however I like their patient abundance associated with that Sumeric mysticism, the brutality that there is always a bigger fish and the fears of thalassophobia .
Intriguing fact of the War of Nightmares, could it be the famous pre-Thurian era? Times of Demons, Apemen, Lycanthropes, Harpies and Snake Men !?
I needed this! Currently three months into some serious worldbuilding and I was playing with the idea of Deep Ones.
Best of luck.
Im making an outright cosmic horror setting if you want to compare notes.
Bloodborne, elder scrolls, abrahamic mythology, and lovecraft are my major influences
@@alack3879 Thanks! It's put my life upside down this time arround, feels like a fever, like the world already exists at the back of my mind and is just pushing to the front.
Anyways I'm getting some of my inspiration from some theoretical proto-indo-european myths, trying to squeeze in Howardian and Lovecraftian tones where I can. I've definitely been affected by Elden Ring and super duper affected by the works of Steven Erikson (whom I must recommend wherever I go, he's gonna quietly cause a revolution in fantasy almost to the same caliber of Tolkien, Mieville or Morrisson).
But mostly I just wanted to create a world based on an original creation myth(truth) that combines the unknowability of Lovecraft with some overall darker tones and now that myth is put down solid, I'm just letting the world development pull me along. It's an almost psychedelic journey at times.
@@Washeek
That's awesome
Mine is set in kind of an earth-like world where civilization has risen to incredible heights and collapsed repeatedly due to alchemy destabilizing society and mutating people.
A major focus of my creativity has been on adapting concepts and events from the colonial and industrial eras with a critical historical lens.
In example the "Enlightenment" was more some nobles coming to the realization that the legends of the earlier times might be more than just stories. From there they discovered myriad ways of improving life by raiding tombs and ruins to translate whatever they could find.
Interestingly the earlier tombs from these golden ages seem to be the best preserved, thus the more advanced discoveries of the ancients were much more difficult to translate.
Whilst this world was low fantasy before this revolution in science through alchemy and politicing the kingdom of these nobles grew exceedingly wealthy, and despite schism in thought the idea of death became a rarity due to wondrous mixtures commonly available.
Through a combination of bioweapons deployed in colonial wars and the imbalanced humors of a population drunk on excess only supported by technologically advancing colonial states, the empire cracked, and with it came the fall.
The players find themselves adrift in a broken paradise, likely entering the streets of the capital of the empire in search of that once so common cure to so many ailments, but finding themselves trapped in a web of political machinations, biological horrors, and good old madness.
A number of things about the setting i liked was the addition of historical oddities as canonical fact.
In example mummy powder was a common cure all because it actually worked, since the dessicated remains of the Ancients are quite loaded with alchemical agents.
Another is the names of Deities always ending with "I Am" such as Liam, Priam, Ephriam, and Calliam. This being a reference to Exodus when God said "I Am that I Am"
It was a setting initially made for a one shot and has grown into its own beast. Rather fitting i think.
Thank you for sharing
@@alack3879 That' quite involved and dare I say inspired. Making half-obscure references to things like real-life alchemy and Torah seem to be a recipe for success, because it ignites sparks in people's brains.
I tend to escape when I work with fiction, so couldn't go for such a "civilized" setup. I was inspired by Grimdark's videos on Conan to go more for an exploration aspect. And also having a world where I can do anachronisms and isolated nations and still have them have a common tongue and other conveniences. So now I've got a solid framework, with an interesting backstory (currently gearing up to write several false mythical versions of the original creation events to also help illustrate the major modern societies) that just goes on to inform little pieces I or the players want to put in. Also left myself quite a lot of space for players (even more than one group) to creatively explore and flesh out themselves. But also I can just throw in things I fancy without the whole thing loosing cohesion, so I went for some subverted elves trope, made humanity truly diverse to the point that different tribes of humans feel more like whole fantasy races, added some horrors into the sea and giants into the mountains and deserts and lots of truly primitive cultures dotted throughout the land. So I can have these clashes between presumed primitives and more organized, civilized nations and make it a central theme with their cultures, values and mythos coming into conflict as well. Interested to see how any player group will tip these scales.
@@Washeek
That is wonderful.
One day ill have the whole thing typed out and will endeavor to find you to share it.
Best of luck to you
I recently discovered there was another writer who was friends with the 2: Clark Ashton Smith. He wrote sword & sorcery stories too.
I sub after lurking for a while, and it turns out you dropped the deep one lore video just yesterday. Feels like a treat! Great channel, man.
My dude... your content is a treasure. May you live 1000 years of Paradise.
Your voice makes it even better.
Grim dark is so expensive these days. Luckily we have Grim Dark at Half Off!
Always will be!
That segue to the sponsor message was smoooooooth.
The deep dive series is absolutely amazing and your greatest work. I've been looking forward to your "Deep Ones" video since you first mentioned it and I wasn't disappointed. Great work!
I can't explain how hype I've been to watch this video. I'm 9 days late only because I wanted to wait until I had a moment to take it in.
Love the content, Grim.
Thanks brother
The King has returned! Easily one of the best Lore series for any universe I've ever watched. You provide me with plenty of entertainment while I deliver products to folks thank you.
My pleasure
I am brand-new to the conan lore i was introduced through conan exiles I can already tell I'm gonna like it
I've been home sick from work and have spent my whole day listening to your Conan lore videos. Thanks for the content man.
It’s why I’m here!
Your dyslexic pronunciations of some of these names always get me :D
Discovered you yesterday. So hyped for this😊
At last!!
Been waiting for this and didn’t disappoint
This was great video well done!
I LOVE THIS!!! I was unfamiliar with Conan lore before coming here, but now I want to binge watch ALL of these!
(Though how to fight a Deep One? Rotenone.)
Love your videos man, always a good day when I see one pop up.
Love your channel
Old ones of any lore or type are so incredibly interesting, can't wait 👍
Love your lore videos, they are perfect listening material when writing and composing epic poems. My friend, you are a true gift and these videos are perfect listening material.
Oath 3 got some lasses actin' MOST unwise.
Living the content, good sir. Thanks and keep it up!
Thank you! I love this stuff!!!
Cool Conan videos!
Love your work you are the best
Wow. There is a lot to work with here. I'm using them to replace gene stealers when I adapt 40K and Lovecraft to Spelljammer.
Can I play a Nightgaunt gunslinger with 2 laser pistols?
Caution! Don't do a heroic amounts of shrooms and listen to Shadows over Innsmouth! It'll start off cool and then get very very uncool.
I have often wondered how they would do metallurgy underwater. Has anyone found/given an answer to this?
Volcanoes? Hydrothermal vents? Magic.
this channel is awesome and your voice is doubly so
Today was a shitty day. Not so shitty now thanks to this. Thanks!
"Look, its going to smell like fish anyway" dude i died. Lmao
I like that I made a D&D dungeon based on Deep Ones and their lore without actually knowing about the deep ones themselves. Almost like I pulled them from humanity's collective consciousness.
Thankyou for the video. Love the Valheim sea music. I never knew why I hated seafood!
22:46 So, you are saying Conan finally got his hands on the Atlantean Sword?
Dude thank you
Marsh 3:16 xD I'm dead that's gold
I aim to please, don’t forget to tip your fish waitresses! All proceeds go to the Jotaro Kujo foundation for Dolphins.
“Oh well you’re MOTHER WAS A CRAB!!” 🤣🤣🤣
I little off topic, your voice is awesome. You should do audio books or truck ads or something.
Really interesting stuff! Now I may have to start considering Deep ones as a faction in a future campaign world.
I also found it reasonable for some deep ones to turn into merfolk to justify the stories of sirens and mermaids!
Is that the Mountain soundtrack from Valheim I hear in the background?
Its a very good choice
what do you think the Deep Ones think of Yog-Sothoth? On one hand, he is an ancestor, but on the other hand, he's somewhat... Open to giving knowledge to mortals. That seems to go against their first oath.
A very good question, I would argue they would view him a Titan-like figure as an outer god. Effectively being a creature that is older and stronger than their creator, but in this context being morally neutral and an aspect of the challenges of life. His value of knowledge would make him a good possible god for any deep one struggling with identity.
Forgot that it's Conan lore and in the Hyborian age it's Yog. Yog is more about cannibalism and less about being the gate and the key and all that.
Cool and creepy! Thanks!
Dope!
Picts with deep one blood sound terrifying and amusing at the same time
Deep ones in Fallout...I may have to add something to my Fallout 2d20 campaign since it's already influenced with a lot of the Fallout/Mythos lore from the video games.
I’m sure you have checked the Darkest Dungeon games. Some excellent examples of deep ones there.
You said you had a podcast in this. What's the name of it?
This stuff is made of dreams for Robert E Howard fans,thank you :)
Np! I’m one of them!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff you can find lot of his influence in these obscure times but nobody seems charish the poet, sometimes i wish i could give the poor guy a hug
14:08 better love story then Twilight
One question that I have is the following... knowing that Kambujans and Khitai live along the Eastern coast of the world... would they be capable of having contact with deep ones, resulting in smaller cults forming an indirect cult-like connection to Dagon?
What is the fragment about the war between wolfmen, harpies and demons from? Some Kull adaptation? Great video as always.
Idk I’m kinda stupid tbh
I was wondering if you think that the fish people that we hear about in the second Witcher book could be and off shout of the deep ones?
I never knew Conan and Lovecraft were set in the same universe.
Happy to help
“I believe in fish supremacy” 😂😂
Your like Luetin09 for Conan lore
That is high praise Jam, I will do everything I can to live up to it!
Your mother was a crab good Sir how could you have an intelligent cult 16:22 . Oh my dark and blood thirsty gods this got me. I don't know why but I just about shot Dr. Pepper out my nose. Super stoked I found this channel, Subscribing right now.
I see my lil Star Spawn art work there. 🐙🦑
LETS GOOO
For those that don’t know Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft were homies!
Have you done a video on the Elder sign?
No but there is one on all Magic in Conan and one on The Book of Skelos both are in the “Conan Lore” playlist
@@GrimDarkHalfOff nice, I’ll be sure to check it out, also great video, I used it to help me make a deep one hybrid in a pathfinder game my friend is running.
It’s beginning to look a lot like fishmen everywhere you go
This was a piece of Conan O'Brien lore I was unfamiliar with.
Few know that team Coco is actually team CthCth
@@GrimDarkHalfOff 🤣
Are there original conan stories that feature Deep Ones ?
She's got secrets but they'll soon be mine
Oh, Father Dagon smiles upon me from the bas-relief
And something's fishy down at Devil Reef...
One glance was all it took
She gave me the Innsmouth look
Valheim Ocean music ❤
Did you do a lore video on Elric of Melniboné. That one dark fantasy that needs more love. Seeing how witcher stole a lot of stuff from Elric.
I’m meaning to
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Holy shit! Half off ?! I´ll take two!
mental health with Gamesworkshop not after the recent giga gaslight!
You've singlehandedly piqued my interest in Conan lore, idk why I always assumed it wasn't anything special. Because it certainly is! I'm a sucker for cosmic horror lol
Sweet!
Hello, im a newbie into this stuff. Who won the galactic civil war which these guys lost?
Elder Things
32:28 just like ma always said!
Stay strong! Return to fish frog!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff now that you mention it the ocean has been looking more and more inviting since I turned 20
all fishpeople are one fishpeople
Agreed!
If there are the "deep ones" where is the "shallow multitude"?
Going bald early in life? Great so I'm officially a deep one
surely this is the true religion!
Fishy
I think being a deep one would be highly desirable in the conan/h.p Lovecraft universe. Not much conflict(for the most part),an almost invincible body and great genetics,great community,many riches,seafood diet(the greek diet),worshipping based powerful deities(with the benefit of not going crazy). Sure I'd shit myself if I was turning into a fish too but getting to screw a bunch of woman and passing the puffer fish around like dolphins do would make my cares go away
But im definitely 100% not a deep one propagandists
There is one thing I never understood with those elderbeings... Why such a hatred towards humanity? They need humans for reproduction and sacrifices
The Elder thing great old one war wasn't a civil war at least not as it's presented in At the Mountians of Madness.
Elder things came to earth first seeded it with life and terraformed it in the precambrian.
Cuthulu and the star Spawn came latter and were invaders that decimated the thriving Elder thing civilization before being beaten back.
Unlike great old ones the Elder things are also presented as an analog for humans not an unknowable alien lifeform but the end point and full potential of what a science based civilization like humans could achieve and how in the face of the endless march of time and endless expanse of the universe it doesn't matter.